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« Reply #870 on: July 21, 2017, 03:34:23 pm »
A good idea at the time Cambrian and still a good idea now but since then we have entered the EU.      Human Rights and interference  by the do gooders has meant that the law seems to favour the perpetrators rather than the victims.

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« Reply #871 on: July 21, 2017, 03:36:59 pm »
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Which of these upsets you particularly?

Article 2 Right to life
Article 3 Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4 Freedom from slavery and forced labour
Article 5 Right to liberty and security
Article 6 Right to a fair trial
Article 7 No punishment without law
Article 8 Respect for your private and family life, home and correspondence
Article 9 Freedom of thought, belief and religion
Article 10 Freedom of expression
Article 11 Freedom of assembly and association
Article 12 Right to marry and start a family
Article 14 Protection from discrimination in respect of these rights and freedoms
Protocol 1, Article 1 Right to peaceful enjoyment of your property
Protocol 1, Article 2 Right to education
Protocol 1, Article 3 Right to participate in free elections
Protocol 13, Article 1 Abolition of the death penalty


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« Reply #872 on: July 21, 2017, 06:01:39 pm »
&shake&

Which of these upsets you particularly?

Article 2 Right to life
Article 3 Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4 Freedom from slavery and forced labour
Article 5 Right to liberty and security
Article 6 Right to a fair trial
Article 7 No punishment without law
Article 8 Respect for your private and family life, home and correspondence
Article 9 Freedom of thought, belief and religion
Article 10 Freedom of expression
Article 11 Freedom of assembly and association
Article 12 Right to marry and start a family
Article 14 Protection from discrimination in respect of these rights and freedoms
Protocol 1, Article 1 Right to peaceful enjoyment of your property
Protocol 1, Article 2 Right to education
Protocol 1, Article 3 Right to participate in free elections
Protocol 13, Article 1 Abolition of the death penalty

All of them when they are used as excuses by the smarmy legal profession to prevent career criminals who ruin peoples lives being justly sentenced.
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« Reply #873 on: July 21, 2017, 06:38:43 pm »
That's brief and straight to the point Bosun and I can't disagree with your statement.     $good$

Just take one of BTR'S  selected articles for instance:-

Protocol 1, Article 3 Right to participate in free elections

This is a list of some of the people who are barred from participating in free elections in the UK

Convicted prisoners – notwithstanding repeated European Court of Human Rights rulings that this disqualification is a violation of prisoners’ rights; anybody who has been found guilty of corruption in the past five years; people with a mental illness or disability that prevents them from making a reasoned judgement. (To clarify this last disqualification: under the 1918 Representation of the People Act, you cannot register as an elector if you are “an idiot; a lunatic… [or] an imbecile who is not compos mentis” – but you may register and vote during a “lucid interval”.)

Surely someone who has broken the law and violated other people's human rights should not expect to have the right to vote.    Likewise a lunatic cannot register as an elector, which in the present climate must be a good thing or otherwise we might see Jeremy Corbyn as the PM.         :'(





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« Reply #874 on: July 21, 2017, 09:50:02 pm »
There are times when I would like to use Article 10, but I would probably be arrested.  ;D
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« Reply #875 on: July 22, 2017, 12:25:46 am »
Born to Run, I'm wasting my time debating anything with you, but if I must, it's this one I object to.

Protocol 13, Article 1 Abolition of the death penalty


However, I object to certain of the others being hijacked, corrupted and abused.
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« Reply #876 on: July 22, 2017, 08:22:19 am »
Capital punishment is almost certainly the most contentious issue. 
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« Reply #877 on: July 24, 2017, 10:28:02 am »
Capital punishment is almost certainly the most contentious issue.

Very contentious for all the innocent people through the years that have been murdered by the state.

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« Reply #878 on: July 25, 2017, 12:59:25 pm »
It's only contentious, and 'murder', if they get the verdict wrong surely?
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« Reply #879 on: July 25, 2017, 02:05:56 pm »
I believe several miscarriages were discovered a little too late. There are, however, some around now who might fully justify such a sanction.
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« Reply #880 on: July 25, 2017, 02:18:58 pm »
It's only contentious, and 'murder', if they get the verdict wrong surely?

Yes but even one wrong verdict is too many which is why this should never become law.

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« Reply #881 on: July 25, 2017, 03:02:21 pm »
Nah, I disagree B2R.
There is a tiny, tiny chance a miscarriage of justice could happen get me killed.
But there is a world, full of prisons, bursting with murderers.... and others at large waiting to commit the crime.
They need sorting out, so I'm happy to take my chances.
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« Reply #882 on: July 25, 2017, 03:16:39 pm »
It's only contentious, and 'murder', if they get the verdict wrong surely?

Yes but even one wrong verdict is too many which is why this should never become law.

Let's hope that they don't do a referendum on Capital Punishment then, because I've a feeling what the outcome would be.

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« Reply #883 on: July 25, 2017, 03:17:01 pm »
Nah, I disagree B2R.
There is a tiny, tiny chance a miscarriage of justice could happen get me killed.
But there is a world, full of prisons, bursting with murderers.... and others at large waiting to commit the crime.
They need sorting out, so I'm happy to take my chances.

You genuinely sound like a middle eastern dictator now.
What if it was your innocent son or daughter that was wrongly killed by the government, would that be fine then?
Because "for the greater good" this process will ultimately kill more bad people than good.

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« Reply #884 on: July 25, 2017, 04:14:17 pm »
I suspect the real problem with capital punishment is that the criteria for using it quickly become abused. That's certainly what history teaches, anyway.
Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know.  ― Michel de Montaigne

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