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What do you think should be the way forward for the Pier Pavilion site?

Modern design, as put forward by Mr Waldron, featuring restaurants, apartments etc
3 (6%)
Recreation of original Pier Pavilion design, but with leisure and entertainment facilities inside
36 (72%)
Larger version of original design, with leisure, entertainment and apartments included
7 (14%)
Leave site empty for another 20 years
4 (8%)

Total Members Voted: 50

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DaveR

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #854 on: December 18, 2017, 11:05:58 AM »
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Adam Williams wanted to buy the land but Waldron 'piped him to the post' he wants to develop  it and reincorporate it back into the pier.  His plans sound preferable to Waldron's, much more in line with what the majority of people are saying they want to see there.
What plans are these? I've not seen any mention of them online or in the paper? How does he expect to garner any public support when he doesn't show people his plans?

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« Reply #855 on: December 18, 2017, 04:10:40 PM »
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Surely Parc Llandudno is now the epicentre of town?

It's a sad day when a retail park is considered the epicentre of a Victorian seaside town famed for it's pier, promenade and architecture.
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Dave

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #856 on: December 18, 2017, 06:04:14 PM »
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Surely Parc Llandudno is now the epicentre of town?

It's a sad day when a retail park is considered the epicentre of a Victorian seaside town famed for it's pier, promenade and architecture.

Too true but that is where everyone appears to want to head towards.  I think the possibility of M&S heading that way is as big a blow to the town's well being as any development on the pavilion site.

CMG

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #857 on: January 04, 2018, 06:57:26 PM »
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Adam Williams wanted to buy the land but Waldron 'piped him to the post' he wants to develop  it and reincorporate it back into the pier.  His plans sound preferable to Waldron's, much more in line with what the majority of people are saying they want to see there.
What plans are these? I've not seen any mention of them online or in the paper? How does he expect to garner any public support when he doesn't show people his plans?

I believe he is planning to 'go public' but I don't know when.  In the meantime I have made a complaint to the council about the conduct of the meeting on 13 December, when so very few of the objections/issues were discussed. I have also sent an open letter to Mr. Waldron. You can see the full (3 page) letter on Save Our Seafront Facebook page.

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« Reply #858 on: January 06, 2018, 05:11:34 PM »
In the street where I live a builder had purchased a large plot of land that was in effect landlocked with no access for development.
He was able to build a house on the land only when he got the consent of the owner of the land but the ownership of the access remained with the owner who gave the consent to the builder.
Since then the builder had applied and obtained planning permission to develop a number of houses on the plot.

However the owner of the access said that the agreement was only for the builder's personal home and not for the development of a mini estate and has refused access for the other houses so the development couldn't go ahead despite the fact that the application was granted by the Planning Commitee

My comparison with the Pier Pavilion is because Adam Williams owns the land on the Pier and access that was previously there from the Pier Pavilion, was when it was a leisure complex.   Waldron's proposal is to change the site to a property development so he shouldn't be able to claim access on historical grounds.

Likewise with his intended car parking, there is no precedent for this because the path that would go down to the car park was previously the path to Tucson's Amusements which again was a leisure complex.
Furthermore the access to the car park would be across the promenade and CCBC own the leasehold to it while Mostyn Estates own the freehold to it.    If either CCBC or Mostyn Estates objects to the access then that should be the end of the matter.