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What do you think should be the way forward for the Pier Pavilion site?

Modern design, as put forward by Mr Waldron, featuring restaurants, apartments etc
3 (5.5%)
Recreation of original Pier Pavilion design, but with leisure and entertainment facilities inside
41 (74.5%)
Larger version of original design, with leisure, entertainment and apartments included
7 (12.7%)
Leave site empty for another 20 years
4 (7.3%)

Total Members Voted: 55

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Fester

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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #420 on: November 01, 2016, 12:47:53 PM »
It's... HUGE!!
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #421 on: November 01, 2016, 12:55:25 PM »
Is this the old planning adage of - Submit plans for something absolutely grotesque knowing that it will be refused and then submit plans for something simply awful that will seem virtually acceptable after the first application.
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #422 on: November 01, 2016, 03:34:11 PM »
Bosun, very interesting that you should say that,because Dave R and I had an interesting time poring over the plans today..... and that's very similar to something Dave concluded.
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #423 on: November 01, 2016, 04:03:13 PM »
It's a fairly common tactic.
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #424 on: November 01, 2016, 04:32:58 PM »
Remember Mr Dickens wanted to open a cafe?  ...he was refused, so he threatened to open a sex shop.   
Very soon after, he opened his cafe!

Since then, we've had three and half million cafes open in town!
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #425 on: November 01, 2016, 05:21:00 PM »
This thing has happened before and never amounted to anything so it'll be interesting to see how this goes and what interest Mostyn Estates has in it.

I passed another of Mostyn Estates eyesores today and noticed that no work had been carried out on the site.  It's the first of November today and with Christmas coming along quickly it doesn't give a lot of time to carry out any work.   I'm still confident though that Mr Hillier will keep his promise and have the work started one way or another.

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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #426 on: November 01, 2016, 07:47:09 PM »
Ah, the Pier Pavilion site, the perfect place from which to launch some spare fireworks that may be left kicking around...



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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #427 on: November 01, 2016, 09:41:05 PM »
Or a bonfire, after all there has been one there before.        WWW

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #428 on: November 02, 2016, 08:40:32 AM »
My view on the proposed Pavilion replacement is that, whilst the internal design/configuration is great, the external mass of the building appears a little too large for that site.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 10:57:28 AM by DaveR »

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #429 on: November 02, 2016, 09:14:38 AM »
Hardly in keeping with the rest of Llandudno's buildings, apart from Venue Cymru - surely they should make it look outwardly as though it fitted in with the Victorian theme of the town, accepting that internally it needs to be modern.  Wouldn't have thought that would be too difficult to achieve.

Considering the uproar about someone painting their hotel pink, or the windmills far out at sea, then surely this is the worst change of appearance for the town ever.

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #430 on: November 02, 2016, 09:22:12 AM »
It resembles a 1970's inner city car park. It's vile, out of keeping with the town and overbears the area. With the furore this will cause, it will be withdrawn and then we'll see what they really think will be accepted. 
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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #431 on: November 02, 2016, 10:34:07 AM »
Looks a bit like a large ship to me, but I think that some of the ideas look too flimsy to withstand our winter storms.
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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #432 on: November 02, 2016, 10:48:11 AM »
It eclipses the Grand quite a lot and looks - as has been noted - simply too large for the site.
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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #433 on: November 02, 2016, 11:51:56 AM »
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It eclipses the Grand quite a lot...

Which isn't necessarily bad thing!

However other than reinstating the ironwork at ground level it's just a standard monstrosity you could see in any town or city. Llandudno deserves something that respects the Victorian heritage. It could be so much better clad in stone, the windows shaped along the lines of the old Pavilion and the balcony railings reflecting the ironwork below. However we all know this project had been rubber stamped long before some young partially-sighted whipper-snapper was tasked to come up with something as modern and money-making as possible.

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #434 on: November 02, 2016, 12:22:29 PM »
Mr. Waldron has publicly stated he needs to build 54 luxury apartments to make the development a viable project. He is not proposing to build any social or affordable apartments within the project and he is not proposing to met the current requirement to provide enough parking places within a development of that size to meet its needs. He has also proposed to have street parking on the upper part of North Parade removed (25 spaces x £4 per day = a potential loss of revenue of £700 a week to the Council).

All of this and much, much, more is very well known to Mr. Waldron and his architects, so I can only conclude he  is a chancer and along with his cronies will need to be scrutinised very closely.

Yes the Pavilion Site is an eyesore and does need to be redeveloped but not at any price. It must meet the needs of the many and not be just for the affordability of the few.    &shake&
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