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Offline Ian

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Christmas brain teasers...
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:05:08 pm »
To help unfuddle the brain from all the mince pies and sherry...

"Three gods A, B, and C are called, in some order, True, False, and Random. True always speaks truly, False always speaks falsely, but whether Random speaks truly or falsely is a completely random matter. Your task is to determine the identities of A, B, and C by asking three yes-no questions; each question must be put to exactly one god. The gods understand English, but will answer all questions in their own language in which the words for 'yes' and 'no' are 'da' and 'ja', in some order. You do not know which word means which."
Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know.  ― Michel de Montaigne

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Offline Ian

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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 09:14:26 pm »
A few hints...

    1. It could be that some god gets asked more than one question (and hence that some god is not asked any question at all).

    2. What the second question is, and to which god it is put, may depend on the answer to the first question. (And of course similarly for the third question.)

    3. Whether Random speaks truly or not should be thought of as depending on the flip of a coin hidden in his brain: if the coin comes down heads, he speaks truly; if tails, falsely.

    4. Random will answer ‘da’ or ‘ja’ when asked any yes-no question.
Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know.  ― Michel de Montaigne

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Offline Yorkie

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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 09:57:00 pm »
Boolo to you Ian!  C29 Logic x 3
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Offline Merddin Emrys

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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 11:03:37 pm »
Well I googled the question and found lots of answers, yet still I have no idea about it! No wonder I'm unconvinced about the Lunar landing story! Has the world ended yet?  :laugh:
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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2012, 01:07:27 am »
Ian!! Why must you hurt my feeble brain in this way?

After questing the existence of God, I started to question my own existence.
Then I began to question existence itself.
Finally, I questioned the existence of Yorkie, Google and Merddin Emrys..... then went to bed, demoralised.
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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2012, 08:20:08 am »
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Well I googled the question and found lots of answers, yet still I have no idea about it! No wonder I'm unconvinced about the Lunar landing story!

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Offline Yorkie

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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2012, 11:27:06 am »
As I said Boolos, Logic, logic, logic.  Chapter 29. or try

http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/hrp/issues/1996/Boolos.pdf

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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2013, 05:45:17 pm »
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Offline Merddin Emrys

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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2013, 05:52:26 pm »
 _))* and yes we did!  ;D
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Re: Christmas brain teasers...
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2013, 08:30:23 am »
I have always liked and done crosswords, but anything logic has my brain aching.--- It aches! ???
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