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Offline Fester

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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #375 on: January 06, 2017, 06:33:56 pm »
I agree SDQ, we are still in a state of denial, caused by the fact that nothing has actually happened since Brexit day, but it will!
For example, Jamie Oliver has said that the 6 restaurants he is about to close down, is due to the higher cost of imported ingredients from Italy.
Purely and simply due to the terrible exchange rate caused by Brexit.

In a similar vein, petrol prices are creeping up, primarily because oil is priced in dollars, and the sterling v dollar exchange rate has been damaged by Brexit uncertainty.

I think the real effects will be felt in terms of inflation and non availability of goods which were provided by migrant workers, when the supply of those workers is vastly reduced.
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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #376 on: February 02, 2017, 03:43:50 pm »
Government sets out Brexit Plan


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38836906


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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #377 on: February 10, 2017, 10:55:23 am »
"Technology giant Apple is "very optimistic" about the UK's future post-Brexit, its boss has told the prime minister. Apple's chief executive Tim Cook met Theresa May at Downing Street and said he thought the UK would be "just fine"' outside the European Union.The company plans to build a new UK headquarters in London."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #378 on: February 18, 2017, 02:30:26 pm »
Roses are a Red,
Violets are Blue,
Both will cost treble
When we leave the EU
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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #379 on: February 18, 2017, 07:37:08 pm »
We might move back to a Feudal society. In a democracy it's your vote that counts; in feudalism, it's your Count that votes.
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« Reply #380 on: March 24, 2017, 01:48:10 pm »
Deutsche Bank has committed to moving to a new office in London, at a time when banks are assessing their place in the capital ahead of Brexit.
Germany's biggest lender is in exclusive talks for a 25-year lease on a new building.
Garth Ritchie, UK chief executive of Deutsche, told staff the move "underlines the bank's commitment to the City of London".
He said staff would start moving to the new UK headquarters in 2023.
The deal showed "the importance it attaches to being an employer of choice in the capital", Mr Ritchie said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39378521

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« Reply #381 on: April 07, 2017, 02:17:27 pm »
Germany's "Mittelstand" of small and medium-sized firms (SMEs) could lose billions of euros if the UK is shut out of the single market, an industry representative has warned.

"Germany exported goods worth 89bn euros to the UK alone in 2015, almost half of it was exported by 150,000 German SMEs," he said, adding that many more companies traded indirectly with the British market, as well as relying on UK research and development.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39522265

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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #382 on: May 15, 2017, 12:06:50 pm »
Just read this statement, it made me think, that in these austere times..........

Brexit talks
Britain will not stand in the way of closer EU co-operation on defense following Brexit, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has said.
Mr Johnson was speaking as he arrived for a summit in Brussels .........where foreign ministers are due to discuss plans for a new  (Very expensive and probably unnecessary )  HQ in the Belgian capital for EU military training missions overseas.

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« Reply #383 on: March 23, 2019, 05:50:29 pm »
More than 1,000,000 marched today in London demanding article 50 be revoked. The lady who set up the petition, which has now attracted 4.5m votes, has gone to Cyprus because she's been receiving telephoned death threats.  What a nice bunch the hard line brexiters are.
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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #384 on: March 23, 2019, 06:17:58 pm »
If article 50 is revoked then what's there to stop the Brexiters from having a similar march and petition.    Let's make it the best of 3?

It's the fault of dozy Dave from the Tories for this mess as he should have tried negotiating from within the EU before he put the referendum to the people

It's not a good advert for democracy if the vote of the people is over turned, what next?   If the Tories win the next election will Corbyn and co  start a petition and demand another vote from the people?

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« Reply #385 on: March 24, 2019, 08:22:17 am »
I suppose it depends on how you define 'democracy'.  What always seems to be ignored is that only a minority of voters voted to leave. The majority - a large majority at that - either voted to remain or didn't vote. I don't view that as a democratic decision.
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« Reply #386 on: March 24, 2019, 08:46:30 am »
The person who has pushed for Brexit and who chairs the party within a party  - the ERG - is Jacob RFess-Mogg.  This transcript from a recent interview should give everyone pause for thought:

Ress-Mogg was pressed about when we would see any benefits of Brexit:

    Rees-Mogg: “We will know at some point, of course we will. But it’s a question of timescale.”

    Guru-Murthy: “So how long have you got?”

    Rees-Mogg: “We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time, we really won’t.”

    Guru-Murthy: “Of course not, but I mean we’ll have an indication. We’ll know if there’s been chaos, we’ll know if there have been job losses.”

    Rees-Mogg: “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.”
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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #387 on: March 24, 2019, 09:07:36 am »
I suppose it depends on how you define 'democracy'.  What always seems to be ignored is that only a minority of voters voted to leave. The majority - a large majority at that - either voted to remain or didn't vote. I don't view that as a democratic decision.

You could use the same argument against the last General Election or any General Election for that matter, that's only statistics.    The voting system in the UK, rightly or wrongly is the first past the post is the winner so if anyone changes it now then they should be aware of any future consequences

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« Reply #388 on: March 24, 2019, 10:54:27 am »
I suppose it depends on how you define 'democracy'.  What always seems to be ignored is that only a minority of voters voted to leave. The majority - a large majority at that - either voted to remain or didn't vote. I don't view that as a democratic decision.

You could use the same argument against the last General Election or any General Election for that matter, that's only statistics.    The voting system in the UK, rightly or wrongly is the first past the post is the winner so if anyone changes it now then they should be aware of any future consequences

I don't agree it's 'only statistics'. It is a proven fact.  But when you say "The voting system in the UK... is the first past the post is the winner" that's simply not true. It may be true for general election, but it certainly isn't true for WA elections, or Scottish Parliament elections.  They both use a form of PR.

But the main point is that we do not govern by plebiscite. Our system of National government is through democratically elected MPs, and most of the MPs - except the extremely wealthy ones - see the value of remaining in the EU.

Voting in the Brexit referendum was dominated by older voters, while the young (who overwhelmingly voted to remain) will have to live with the consequences. The European Union has 502 million citizens. Just 109,964 Irish votes prevented them getting a better functioning, more democratically accountable EU. That was the winning margin for the “no” vote in the Lisbon Treaty referendum. National referendums on EU questions are fundamentally undemocratic by allowing tiny minorities to dictate to the majority.

Meanwhile, the majority of voters (not statistics, merely fact) will have to live with the consequences of the minority believing the litany of lies and misinformation spread by the Leave brigade.  If it weren't so serious it would make a great basis for a sitcom.
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Re: European Union Vote
« Reply #389 on: March 24, 2019, 12:03:08 pm »
The Brexit referendum was a straight forward vote for either leaving the EU or remaining in the EU.       Everyone eligible to vote had a chance to express their choice on the issue, so anyone who did not bother to vote for whatever reason shouldn't be complaining about the result now.
The number of people who didn't vote is irrelevant as they had the opportunity to vote but wasted it.       What is important is the number of votes cast by either side and if the outcome is unacceptable to some then why bother with the referendum in the first course

There were lies and misinformation on both sides but that is nothing new, the political parties are doing it day in day out and we should be aware of it by now.
It's a right mess and unfortunately we haven't got a leader in either of the two main parties that is capable of sorting this out