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Offline PhilMick

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William Herbert Hughes abt 1896 to ?
« on: August 01, 2016, 07:14:48 pm »
Hi - can anyone help me trace William?

William was born in Liverpool about 1896.

I have him living with his family in Toxteth Park Liverpool on the 1901 census.

The family moved to 15 Alexander Road Llandudno sometime between 1901 - 1911.

Again, I have him on the 1911 census living in the Lockyers Hotel, Llandudno.

I can't find any references to him either in the military or on ancestry after 1911.

Can anyone help?

Phil

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Re: William Herbert Hughes abt 1896 to ?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2016, 07:22:46 pm »
There is a William Herbert Hughes on the Llandudno Roll of Honour (WW1) serving as a Private in the Royal Welsh - his address is given as 15 Alexandra Road; a brother, Robert Edward, is listed at the same address and also serving in the RWF.


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Re: William Herbert Hughes abt 1896 to ?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2016, 08:01:41 pm »
Hi Jack - thanks for the information.

Can I see the Roll of Honour online?

Phil

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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2016, 10:00:33 pm »
I don't know if it is on-line. There is a copy in the library.

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Re: William Herbert Hughes abt 1896 to ?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2016, 08:58:04 am »
Thanks Jack - next time I'm in North Wales I'll go to the library.

Thanks for the pointer.

phil

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2016, 03:31:30 pm »
I called at the Conwy Archives in Llandudno today but couldn't find anything in the Burial Index for W H Hughes but those indexes only list certain graves with headstones.
It could be that he is buried in the Council owned graveyard at St Hilary's Llanrhos or St Tudno's on the Great Orme.
I had a look at the Street indexes for 1939 and Mrs M G Hughes was listed as living at 15 Alexandra Road Llandudno.   There was a William Herbert Hughes listed as living at Oversley,  7 Marl Crescent Llandudno Junction.
These street indexes only list one person living at an address and that person is usually the head of the household or the breadwinner. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2016, 05:34:29 pm »
The William Hughes that Hugo mentions in 1939 living at 7 Marl Crescent was born 15/10/1904 living with his wife Lillian. He was a LMS Railway Guard but there is an 8 years difference with the date of birth you have.

The Hughes family living at 15 Alexander Road, Llandudno are Mary Grace Hughes Widow born 26/9/1864 her son Robert Edward Railway Porter & Van Man born 11/11/1898 & Margaret A Hodson Widow her daughter, Occupation Waitress born 16/1/1893.

William Herbert is a very difficult person to find  :(

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Re: William Herbert Hughes abt 1896 to ?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2016, 09:33:16 pm »
There is a  William Hughes born 1897(close to assumed date) living in LLandudno on the 1939 Register (on FMP).
I have found that the middle names are not always quoted.
It's only a possibility.............. but was he married etc by then?   Was she Catherine E by any chance?

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2016, 08:08:15 am »
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William Herbert is a very difficult person to find  :(


Last night I tried putting his full name into Google and there was a photo of Cullen Street Toxteth on it and another entry had a photo of a William Herbert Hughes  1897 to 1944 on it but this person was a sailor in the Royal Navy.     I don't suppose that he's the person we are looking for as Meleri found our WHH  in the Army and in the RWF.
I had a search this morning but couldn't find anything at all.

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2016, 02:27:49 pm »
PhilMick,    Have you got any details about William Herbert's parents  eg    names and dates of birth as it may help in tracing William?

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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2016, 05:20:19 pm »
Hugo it was Jack that found the military information on William and his brother Robert on the Roll of Honour. I'm a bit confused by this as Robert is still alive on the 1939 Register living at Alexander Road.
There is a William H Hughes mentioned on the Llandudno War Memorial but his mother was Laura Jane Hughes Trinity Street, Llandudno he died 16/8/1916 so he isn't the right one.
I have found William on the school register at Dyffryn Road Council School in 1907 his date of birth is 29/4/1896. Also brother Robert and sister Jennie they had come from St Clements School, Liverpool. William left school 29/4/1910, Robert left 8/12/1911 & Jennie 13/1/1909 as they were all of age. They were living at 15 Alexander Road Llandudno, father John William Hughes
There is a marriage for William Herbert Hughes in September 1922 to Eleanor Elizabeth Byatt spinster of the Parish of Eglwys Rhos. This could be him?
I have had a look at the William Hughes that Rhuddlan mentions above, but his date of birth is 3/7/1897 so we can count him out as well.
William Herbert's parents were John William Hughes born 1861 Holywell and he was a Compositor in a printing works in 1911 and Mary Grace Hughes born Llandudno 1864.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2016, 06:06:45 pm »
My mistake Meleri, thanks for pointing it out about Jack.   Jack's very good on research into the Armed Services.
You've been very busy with your research too and you've found out some very interesting info there.
I'll have a good look at everything tomorrow as I'm dashing off right now for a meal at The Toad.     $dins$

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2016, 03:02:08 pm »
Hope you and Mrs H had a lovely meal at The Toad Hugo.

After quite a bit of searching I have at last found military info on William. Royal Artillery Attestation 1/11/1921 at Llandudno for 1 year in the Territorial Force. Service No 1666743 age 24 years 6 months, Occupation Labourer. Discharge 31/10/1922 due to Para 156(1) TA Regs, Serial No R3340. (perhaps Jack could help with whatever that means?)

Former Service RWF  $walesflag$  period 5 years 157 days, discharge Address 15 Alexander Road, Llandudno.

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Re: William Herbert Hughes abt 1896 to ?
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2016, 07:59:58 am »
Hi Meleri

At that time there were 11 ways that a soldier could be discharged from the Army. William was discharged due to 'Termination of Engagement' = Para [paragraph] 156(1) of the TA [Territorial Army] Regs [Regulations].

As he only signed up for one year then this is just the term used for when that contract comes to an end - nothing more sinister or interesting than that.

Had it been Paragraph 4 (conduct unsatisfactory) or paragraph 5 (Not being likely to become an efficient soldier) or paragraph 7 (having made a false answer on attestation) then the imagination could run a bit  :) ;D


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Re: William Herbert Hughes abt 1896 to ?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2016, 03:30:24 pm »
Thanks Meleri, we did have a nice meal in The Toad and a few drinks too.     Z**

That's a lot of good info that you found out about William and especially the marriage which I'm sure will help with finding out more details for later years.     What records did you use to get the Marriage details as I tried Roots UK and it was hopeless?

As a result of all your work there may be things I can look at in the Llandudno Archives when I next go there