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barry b

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International cruise ships and LLandudno
« on: September 24, 2016, 03:08:38 PM »
a while ago i heard that american ( and other countries) cruise ships might visit llandudno since the end of the pier was repaired-- anybody heard if that will still happen?
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 04:07:00 PM »
Check out the  "Tourist news: developments, initiatives and strategies" thread from last year, I have copied a couple below, there might be more.......
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« Reply #232 on: June 16, 2015, 06:14:41 PM »
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CRUISE SHIPS.....
Last August we had a discussion about the viability of american cruise ships coming to Llandudno, and the fact that Holyhead had 16 plus liners due to dock in 2015 and the increase in North Wales tourism this would bring.
The latest news does not bode well....... :(

Giant cruise ship cancels Holyhead visit over jetty concerns
A giant cruise ship due to arrive in Holyhead tomorrow with 2,500 passengers will now not dock over concerns about its size and the predicted weather conditions.
The Celebrity Silhouette was the largest vessel due at the Anglesey port this summer - one of more than 20 cruise ships coming to the island.
But now the trip has been cancelled due to concerns its 317metre length, combined with predictions for wet and windy weather, was a potential safety risk for the port jetty.
This will renew calls for investment in a specialised cruise ship dock at Holyhead which had previously been looked at by the Welsh Government, which asked consultants to draw up proposals.
A port spokesman added: “A specialised jetty is under discussion and maybe this will focus minds on this.
“This existing jetty has restrictions.”
Anglesey Walking tweeted: “Disappointed that the cruise ship’s visit to Holyhead on Wednesday is cancelled. 2,800 passengers on board.
“What a blow to local businesses."

A Celebrity Cruises spokeswoman said: "Celebrity Silhouette was scheduled to call to Holyhead, Wales, on Wednesday 17 June.
"Two days before, the Captain was advised by the Harbour Master that Celebrity Silhouette would be unable to call to Holyhead.  We were very disappointed to receive this late information from the port, and tried to have them reverse this decision, to no avail.
"Regrettably, it was necessary to cancel Celebrity Silhouette's port call to Holyhead.
"Celebrity Silhouette will now spend Wednesday at sea, and arrive to Paris (Le Havre), France, on Thursday 18 June, at 8am and stay overnight till 9pm Friday 19 June.   
"We apologise for this modification to our guests’ itinerary, and thank them for their understanding and cooperation. We hope our guests enjoy the additional time to explore Paris and Normandy."

The same ship is also due to return to the port in August and the port said this visit was still due to go ahead.
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Re: Tourist news: developments, initiatives and strategies
« Reply #233 on: July 01, 2015, 05:15:28 PM »
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AM calls for giant cruise ship dock to be developed at Holyhead port
There are calls for the Welsh Government to help develop a purpose built cruise ship dock on Anglesey amid concerns that the region could be missing out on valuable tourism cash.

It comes weeks after a vessel carrying 2,500 passengers failed to dock at the former Anglesey Aluminium jetty because it isn’t suitable for use in high winds.
The “Celebrity Silhouette” was the largest vessel due at the Anglesey port this summer - one of more than 20 cruise ships coming to the island.

Anglesey AM Rhun ap Iorwerth expressed his disappointment that the island, and North Wales as a whole, missed out on thousands of pounds which would have been pumped into the local economy and has now called on the Welsh Government to intervene.

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The new SeaWalk used last Saturday for the first time in Norway could be the answer?
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barry b

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 03:20:28 AM »
thanks steve-thats helpfull

Bri Roberts

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 09:05:21 AM »
I wonder if that seawalk would work off Llandudno Pier.

I have just watched the videos and I think it would.

Llandudno is a more central destination in north Wales for cruise ships.



barry b

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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 06:15:05 PM »
id love to see cruise ships at llandudno pier bri-- although in the summer months would it make the place too busy?- iguess we cant have it both ways-i often go over to westshore where its quieter either walking the dog or out on the kayak

Bri Roberts

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2016, 09:02:02 AM »
CCBC could always begin charging a passenger levy like they are planning to do in Barcelona.

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2016, 09:55:34 AM »
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CCBC could always begin charging a passenger levy like they are planning to do in Barcelona.
I've noticed on my travels that many resort towns in Europe now charge a visitor levy per night stayed in a hotel. Imagine the funds that could be raised for local improvements if a hotel room levy of just a £1 a night was made in Llandudno?



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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2016, 11:18:20 AM »
Just back from a week in Brittany staying in an appartment.  One euro per person per day tourist levy. We were charged this also last year.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2016, 11:50:32 AM »
On the face of it, a levy seems a great idea, but reading up on it, the hotel associations do not agree, they say they increased cost will affect them, they also point out that other countries have a reduced VAT rate to offset this levy and help increase tourism.

" Recent analysis by the BHA shows that, of fourteen European countries, which apply some form of tourist tax, all but one levy reduced rates of VAT on hotel services. In fact, the UK is one of only three EU countries that do not have a reduced rate of VAT for tourism services."
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Is a levy a national tax or local?.....as DaveR said " Imagine the funds that could be raised for local improvements if a hotel room levy of just a £1 a night was made in Llandudno?"  and I don't think visitors would complain at a £1 p.n. ?

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2016, 11:51:33 AM »
Perhaps it's time to resurrect the St George's Harbour Scheme:

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I'm sure if the harbour wall was high enough it would block out the view of the wind farm.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2016, 02:58:56 PM »
regarding a wall across the bay I know were you can find a large amount of stone for the infil and it  could be built in the same way as the Conwy tunnel sections and floated into place and then piled to the seabed. these are the sort of things that you could have made a deal with the owners of the wind farms for

PhilMick

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2016, 03:34:40 PM »
Could also use all that inconvenient sand from the West Shore!

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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2016, 08:56:49 PM »
Back in the 1970's an American Cruise ship would anchor in the bay every summer

PhilMick

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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2016, 10:17:05 PM »
Also, there were regular visits from Royal Navy ships - they sent rugby teams ashore to play Llandudno RFC.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2016, 10:55:00 AM »
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Back in the 1970's an American Cruise ship would anchor in the bay every summer

I think the problem today, is the size of the ships, they average 3,000 passengers per ship, that's got to be a logistic nightmare, time consuming and expensive ferrying ship to shore, and the weather is the biggest issue with offshore anchoring.