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Llandudno Pier
« Reply #-1 on: September 08, 2010, 09:04:33 AM »
I see that the Consultants Report on the state of the Landing Stage at the end of Llandudno Pier has now been issued under a FOI Request.

The conclusion is that substantial repair/replacement work needs to be carried out, at a cost in the region of £320,000.

Would this be money well spent? Well, it depends upon whose money is being spent, I suppose! Six Piers Ltd will never stump up that sort of cash in a million years, so it would fall upon a combination of Conwy Council/Llandudno Town Council/Welsh Assembly.

The big benefit would be that Llandudno could once again be placed on the Itinerary of visiting Cruise Ships and this really isnt a pie in the sky idea, the 1,900 passenger MS Westerdam visited Holyhead in August. The liner is one of 10 ships booked in at Holyhead in 2010 with a predicted £800,000 pumped into the local economy:
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Ian

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« on: September 08, 2010, 10:41:03 AM »
I the grand scheme of things, £320,000 isn't actually that much.
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Paddy

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 08:51:04 PM »
Don't forget to include the cost of extras and delays Ian!

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 09:08:06 PM »
And VAT at the new rate, that is unless there is a waiver of some kind! I presume it is listed?

DaveR

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2011, 04:36:49 PM »
I found this post on Oscar's blog interesting:

Tongue in Cheeky said...

Piers are becoming an endangered species. Llandudno has probably one of, if not the best, piers in the country. Llandudno pier isn't what it could be due to lack of investment. Revenue from it doesn't live up to it's potential; basically a chicken and egg situation. The result is that it is getting tawdry with too many "cheap" attractions and detractions. If CCBC are going to spend any money on piers it should be directed towards helping Llandudno pier rather than pouring our cash into the ever open money pit which is Colwyn Bay pier. If Colwyn Bay pier was fully restored it would still only be a third rate pier surmounted by a tin box. Llandudno is group one!

Revive the pier head orchestra, dump the plastic playground rides, revamp and strengthen the pierhead landing facilities, replace the missing "gingerbread" and keep it all in repair. Encourage the building of a quality attraction such as an ice rink,opera house, music venue or casino on the Pavillion site, encourage fishing, encourage steamer trips and work to encourage the older generation back to Llandudno.

Llandudno is not Rhyl, not Colwyn Bay. It is a huge mistake to copy either one's gaudy attractions or the others dereliction.  Quality not crap is the way forward for Conwy County!



I think the main problem with Llandudno Pier is the owners, Six Piers Ltd. Their only interest is in sucking out as much money as possible out of Llandudno without investing to build up the business. The Pier needs to be brought back into local ownership - who's willing to invest a few quid?

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 10:44:43 PM »
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Encourage the building of a quality attraction such as an ice rink,opera house, music venue or casino on the Pavillion site,

Nice idea except you'll never get planning permission for an ice rink because of the lack of Parking; put it up by the Ski Slope.
Opera House or Music Venue? No, for the same reason, plus it would be in direct completion with Venue Cymru which can't make a commercial success of it's operation as it is.
As for the Casino idea, sorry Oscar what’s the use in having a Casino with no Bar as it's in the covenants that you can't sell alcohol on the site and oh yes did I mention you can't gamble on the site either.

He does love to express his opinions but I wish he was a little better informed before he stirred up this old muck heap once again
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DaveR

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Re: Llandudno Pier
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 09:54:16 AM »
It was actually a commentator on Oscar's blog that put forward the ideas, not the great man himself.  ;)

The Covenants restricting the usage are in favour of the Pier's owners, currently Six Piers Ltd. In the scenario presented, the Pavilion site and Pier would be reunited under single ownership, therefore the Covenants would not be relevant.

Incidentally, I wonder if the Pavilion site's current owner realises that he is responsible for 50% of the cost of repairs to the sea wall outside the Pavilion?



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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2011, 04:46:00 PM »
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Incidentally, I wonder if the Pavilion site's current owner realises that he is responsible for 50% of the cost of repairs to the sea wall outside the Pavilion?

On the subject of repairs: if my reading of the covenants contained in the Pier Conveyance are correct, 6 piers are resposable for: and I quote

"And also that the Llandudno Company ( now 6 Piers ) shall and will unless and until their said Pier Landing stage and other works or some parts thereof shall cease by due authority of law to be open for public use at all times will and effectually uphold maintain and repair the said Pier Landing stage and all necessary works and conveniences connected therewith or so much thereof as shall be authorised for full use in a state and condition fit and proper for public use"

I wonder how they got out of that one, or why, when the Landing Stage was closed due to its unsafe condition, the Council didn't serve them an enforcement order to repair and restore it for Public use.
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DaveR

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Re: Llandudno Pier
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2011, 06:57:43 PM »
The repairs to the decking have been completed and workmen are preparing to reinstate the handrail. Credit to MP Marine from Maryport, the standard of their work is very good.


DaveR

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Re: Llandudno Pier
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 07:55:40 PM »
The Pier Fishing Tackle Shop is now empty and to Let:

Yorkie

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 08:43:15 PM »
Just hope someone takes the bait!       ££$

DaveR

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 08:50:08 PM »
..and they've got the money to 'tackle' a business like that....

DaveR

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 08:50:39 PM »
maybe the pier manager is 'angling' for a rent increase?

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 09:17:16 PM »
something fishy there  _))*  and you have to listen all day long to some awful music in that location  ¢¢##  (I assume some must like it, but to me it's bad) 2 or 3 months ago someone from the bait shop was having a blazing row with the 'music' man as we passed by  :o   >>>
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Ian

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Re: Llandudno Pier
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 07:30:09 AM »
Quote
something fishy there

I'm hooked :-)
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