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Bosun

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« Reply #389 on: November 10, 2017, 10:45:28 AM »
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I see a little pony is back in Llandudno along with a woman and a collection bucket.

I have actually contacted CCBC about them. The Duty Officer was most helpful and stated that the lady, Mrs Davis-Black is collecting as a 'street entertainer',  or busker to you and me, (over which, the council have no powers) had been has been categorically informed that if she suggests or indicates that she is collecting for a charity or charitable purpose, she would be committing an offence.

The pony has been checked out and is fit and well and properly looked after.

The Council Officer was most helpful and obviously has full knowledge of the situation.
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« Reply #390 on: November 10, 2017, 04:17:28 PM »
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 as a 'street entertainer',  or busker to you and me, (over which, the council have no powers)

As far as I understand it, councils do (or can) have powers. Busking itself is legal but councils may have their own by-laws.  see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login for example.

Mostyn Street in Llandudno for example might add other complications, I'm not sure but I was once informed by a policeman that the area of the pavement under the verandas in front of the shops is private property?


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« Reply #391 on: November 10, 2017, 06:47:38 PM »
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 as a 'street entertainer',  or busker to you and me, (over which, the council have no powers)

As far as I understand it, councils do (or can) have powers.

I posted what I was told by a CCBC officer, who, as I said in my post, had full knowledge of the situation. Perhaps you should contact the Licensing and Legal Departments of CCBC and give them the benefit of your 'understanding'. I'm sure that they would be most grateful.
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« Reply #392 on: November 10, 2017, 06:54:42 PM »
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I posted what I was told by a CCBC officer, who, as I said in my post, had full knowledge of the situation. Perhaps you should contact the Licensing and Legal Departments of CCBC and give them the benefit of your 'understanding'. I'm sure that they would be most grateful.

I'll leave any conversation with them to you, thanks.

In the meanwhile here is the UK page about busking licences:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I'll include some text in it here:

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Restrictions

Busking is not illegal but your council will tell you about byelaws or rules you must observe, such as:

    not making too much noise
    not blocking public highways (footpaths, pavements, open pedestrian areas)
    not displaying notices asking for payment
    not carrying out street trading (you need a street trading licence for this)
    only busking in certain parts of the town or for a limited period of time

Children under 14 aren’t allowed to busk.
How to apply

Contact your council to see if you need a busking licence. You may have to pay a fee when you apply.

You might be able to apply through your council’s website.


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« Reply #393 on: November 10, 2017, 07:13:56 PM »
Llandudno had local regs that prohibited busking, etc., which had been formulated in the Victorian era, but they expired - I think around 1990.
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squigglev2

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« Reply #394 on: November 10, 2017, 07:23:32 PM »
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Llandudno had local regs that prohibited busking, etc., which had been formulated in the Victorian era, but they expired - I think around 1990.
I have in the very dim and distant (80s) past had a go or two at busking in Llandudno. I don't remember hearing about then, although I do remember the copper's friendly advice (above). Of course that doesn't mean they didn't exist...  The only thing I can vaguely think of though is were there some restrictions on the prom?

Whatever, I believe different councils operate different rules.  I did hear tale from someone living in Coventry at the time (agains 80s somewhere) than not only did you have to get a licence, you had to pass some audition first!

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« Reply #395 on: November 10, 2017, 07:36:09 PM »
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I posted what I was told by a CCBC officer, who, as I said in my post, had full knowledge of the situation. Perhaps you should contact the Licensing and Legal Departments of CCBC and give them the benefit of your 'understanding'. I'm sure that they would be most grateful.

I'll leave any conversation with them to you, thanks.


Thanks, I will speak to the relevant authorities when I feel that there is a particular issue that needs to be resolved, but I do understand that it's easier to anonymously post generalities on blogs than actually do something practical to resolve a situation that gives cause for concern.
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squigglev2

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« Reply #396 on: November 10, 2017, 07:45:36 PM »
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Thanks, I will speak to the relevant authorities when I feel that there is a particular issue that needs to be resolved, but I do understand that it's easier to anonymously post generalities on blogs than actually do something practical to resolve a situation that gives cause for concern.

1. Only responding to a comment you made  ("busker to you and me, (over which, the council have no powers)") as I believe the situation with buskers is largely regulated by local/byelaws.  Living in Norfolk, while I remain interested in your area, it's unlikely I'd be getting involved with your council...

2. I'm not really that anonymous here.  Hugo for one could identify me or at a minimum pin me down to 1 of 4 boys.  Where I've lived in Pydew is well known here...

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« Reply #397 on: November 11, 2017, 05:31:26 AM »
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Thanks, I will speak to the relevant authorities when I feel that there is a particular issue that needs to be resolved, but I do understand that it's easier to anonymously post generalities on blogs than actually do something practical to resolve a situation that gives cause for concern.

1. Only responding to a comment you made  ("busker to you and me, (over which, the council have no powers)") as I believe the situation with buskers is largely regulated by local/byelaws.  Living in Norfolk, while I remain interested in your area, it's unlikely I'd be getting involved with your council...

2. I'm not really that anonymous here.  Hugo for one could identify me or at a minimum pin me down to 1 of 4 boys.  Where I've lived in Pydew is well known here...

For the third time, the statement that 'the council have no powers' was made to me by the CCBC Duty Officer. I was merely reporting on here for those concerned to reassure them that the CCBC were fully aware and were closely monitoring these people following the issues last year with the illegal collection for a supposed but non-existent military charity by a man with a small horse. 

As your understanding of the legislation appears to differ from that of the Licensing and Legal Departments of CCBC who I have spoken to, why not contact them and give them the benefit of your 'beliefs'. You don't have to live in the area to give them your advice and legal expertise on the matter and point out their failings and I'm sure that they would be most grateful.

So, apart from your rhetoric on this blog, your actual contribution in doing something practical regarding this social issue and peoples concerns about it  -  is what?
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« Reply #398 on: November 11, 2017, 08:58:31 AM »
Enough please boys, you are getting boring.

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« Reply #399 on: November 11, 2017, 11:01:40 AM »
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Enough please boys, you are getting boring.

Thank you Tell, for your interesting and stimulating comment, to this and all the other topics that you have contributed to.
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