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Title: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2011, 04:27:14 AM
Does anybody know what the benefits are for members of the National Trust for the above property ?

In September 2008 this company donated all its interests in BODYSGALLEN HALL and the other two HISTORIC HOUSE HOTELS to THE NATIONAL TRUST, with all profits benefiting the houses and the charity.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on April 09, 2011, 07:47:25 AM
Is there nothing in the Members' handbook?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2011, 07:56:04 AM
Doesn't look, on first glance, if they are any special benefits.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2011, 11:26:11 AM
Absolutely nothing.  :o


 http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-property-searchresults_2.htm?type=advanced&aday=&amonth=&ayear=&bday=&bmonth=&byear=&facilities=&mfeatopen=&area=&region=10&county=Conwy&ptype=&alttype=&submit1=Search (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-property-searchresults_2.htm?type=advanced&aday=&amonth=&ayear=&bday=&bmonth=&byear=&facilities=&mfeatopen=&area=&region=10&county=Conwy&ptype=&alttype=&submit1=Search)

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-global/w-localtoyou/w-wales/w-wales-news/w-wales-news_bodysgallen_hall_celebrates_its_30th_anniversary.htm (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-global/w-localtoyou/w-wales/w-wales-news/w-wales-news_bodysgallen_hall_celebrates_its_30th_anniversary.htm)

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-global/w-localtoyou/w-wales/w-wedding_ceremonies-wales-3/w-bodysgallen-weddings.htm (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-global/w-localtoyou/w-wales/w-wedding_ceremonies-wales-3/w-bodysgallen-weddings.htm)


Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on April 09, 2011, 11:56:19 AM
I suppose one can wander around the gardens and have a coffee in the lounge (bank manager willing!).   As it's an hotel it must be difficult to have the place open to all and sundry.    Just hope it is making plenty of money to help keep our subs down.     ZXZ
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
I don’t think you need to be a NT member to do all of that.

As for making a profit, Yorkie, do you really think Historic Hotels Ltd would have handed over their hotels to the National Trust if they were profitable?

It occurs to me the NT may now be picking up the annual maintenance costs so the owners can continue to trade without any real benefits to the membership of NT.

 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2011, 06:36:20 PM
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As for making a profit, Yorkie, do you really think Historic Hotels Ltd would have handed over their hotels to the National Trust if they were profitable?
The NT would never have accepted them otherwise - I believe they are highly profitable.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
If they were so profitable why did the directors dispose of their properties ?

Where is your evidence thay were highly profitable or is it simply hearsay ?

Today. what is the benefit to members of the NT ?

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2011, 09:56:12 PM
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If they were so profitable why did the directors dispose of their properties ?

Where is your evidence thay were highly profitable or is it simply hearsay ?

Today. what is the benefit to members of the NT ?
Well, people do things for reasons other than money you know! According to their website, the company was set up 30 years ago to rescue old country houses, with the ultimate aim of them becoming properties of the NT. Obviously, the donation in 2008 was the culmination of that original plan.

The hotels and the antique contents are obviously worth a lot of money and could easily have had their contents sold off by auction and then the building converted into apartments etc. Instead, they were donated to the NT - that seems like a good thing to me?  :)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 10, 2011, 02:55:41 AM
It all sounds very philanthropic but did your research manage to reveal why it took the company such a long time to get round to donating the property ?




Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 10, 2011, 08:32:03 AM
I can only speculate that the plan was for Richard Broyd to donate the hotels when the time came for him to retire. He was already a very rich man, after he had sold his employment agency.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3067916/National-Trust-gift-Richard-Broyd-interview.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3067916/National-Trust-gift-Richard-Broyd-interview.html)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 10, 2011, 10:11:27 AM
DaveR, I believe you will find Mr Richard Broyd is still a Director.

BTW, public records at Companies House reveal 4 x mortgages were discharged either in full or in part on the 23 September 2008 for Historic House Hotels Limited.

I wonder whose money was used to do that.

Was it Mr Broyd's or me and Yorkies ?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 10, 2011, 04:58:25 PM
Why not email the NT and ask them?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on April 11, 2011, 11:32:36 AM
The Annual Report 2009 (available on-line) will answer a lot of questions. ££$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: hollins on May 03, 2011, 08:04:23 PM
We have enjoyed some super afternoon teas at Bodysgallen Hall. It costs £14.50 per person but we found that they are flexible on the amount ordered. The first picture is tea for two with two extra scones which was in the upstairs drawing room. The second picture is tea for four in the downstairs lounge.
The gardens are beautiful and there is no charge to look around them so the tea doesn't look so expensive if you factor that in.
If you walk through the woodland to the back of the garden there is a great view over to Conwy castle spoilt only by the noise from the traffic on the main road below.
I only have admiration for the previous owners of Historic House hotels. The money they must have invested to rescue these buildings is unimaginable and then to donate it all to the National Trust.
When I patronise these establishments now at least I can think I am helping the National Trust. I think they do an amazing job not only with properties but you also always know when you are on a section of their coastal path because it is always so tidy and well kept.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 03, 2011, 08:11:05 PM
The Afternoon Tea looks very pleasant!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on May 03, 2011, 09:09:25 PM
So do the young ladies!      :D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: hollins on May 03, 2011, 09:13:41 PM
Yes, they are lovely girls, both from Switzerland.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on May 03, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
You were hoping to get to Switzerland recently weren't you H?

But I recall that you were thwarted.   Family reasons.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: hollins on May 04, 2011, 06:19:40 AM
Yes, my mum was taken ill but ok now. Hope to try to go again in June when the meadows should look like this photo below.
Mrs F looks lovely. She is braver than me going on that ride in the middle of all the shops and pubs!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Trojan on May 04, 2011, 05:46:03 PM
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So do the young ladies!      :D

Mmmmm, tea & crumpets.  8)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SDQ on May 16, 2011, 07:03:34 PM
The Head Chef of Bodysgallen Hall (Gareth Jones) is on the Great British Menu this week if anyone is interested.
BBC 2 or BBC HD at 6.30pm every evening this week.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Micox on May 17, 2011, 09:19:34 PM
Used to go for conkers to the footpath by the stream which led to the Hall. Entrance by the ford in Marl Lane. Always floored by the unusual all pervading powerful smells there which i now know to be wild garlic. I suppose this place is lost now?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 17, 2011, 09:22:43 PM
Sadly, yes. I think Trojan and I were talking about that ford on Marl Lane not so long ago, I used to enjoy walking as a kid from the ford along the stream and then up into Marl Woods alongside that stone wall. It all disappeared under the Link Road (with the exception of the path up into Marl Woods bit). Progress? I think not.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Trojan on May 17, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
Yes, I believe it was on the Llandudno Junction thread.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Marl Hall Mike?

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Beet95 on August 11, 2012, 11:51:07 AM
I am an employee of Bodysgallen Hall and worked for the company for 15 years before its donation to the NT.

What never fails to amaze me is the fact that members of the NT feel that for the price equivalent to any decent magazine subscription, they can pass comment on a subject they know very little about!!

I am not going to go into the details of the donation as the press release issued in 2008 explains everything. Indeed if you looked at the previous press release in the late '90s when the NT accepted protective covenants, it may make even more sense to you. It really isn't anymore than an extremely generous donation!! ( biggest gift since WW2 in fact).

Historic House Hotels is a company within the NT, run as it always has been, by the same management. Richard Broyd is still the chairman and along with the board if directors very much still calls the shots! There has been no changes and certainly no rescue of a failing business!!

It may be of interest to know that no members of staff at HHH receive any NT benefits. NOT ONE! Even the staff who have been with the company for 30 plus years. We do not hold NT staff cards and even an NT volunteer who carries out an hours worth of work holds more benefits than the staff.

We receive NO funding from the NT and all maintenance and upkeep is carried out under our own budgets.

ALL of our profits go the NT.

A constant irritation is the arrival of NT members looking to wander around the hotel and estate, when it is absolutely clear in the NT handbook that we are open as a HOTEL, and all guests ( whether NT members or not can enjoy the building and estate if joining for coffee, lunch, dinner etc. This is to protect our business as many residents and regular guests would not return if the house was swarming with guided tours etc.

There is no denying that the NT do good work, but don't be led down the garden path without knowing some of the facts!!

This isn't a bitter response but some people need to get off their high horse!!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on August 11, 2012, 12:21:54 PM
Rant over - but what is the problem?   I am an NT Member and have been coughing up my subscription for many years, and feel that generally the NT do a good job with all the properties and land they look after for the Nation.    Why should the Staff get benefits over and above their generous salaries?   

The volunteers do not get paid and, presumably, are NT Members themselves, so what extra benefits do they get?   Just a tea or a coffee and a couple of biscuits.  Do you get watered and fed whilst on duty?

Stop griping and just be thankful that you work in such beautiful surroundings and for such an understanding organisation.
 ££$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on August 12, 2012, 12:17:08 AM
Whether you love him or hate him, the Forum is never a bland place when Yorkie is around!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on August 12, 2012, 07:18:15 AM
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Whether you love him or hate him, the Forum is never a bland place when Yorkie is around!  :laugh:

You'll miss me when I'm gone!      :D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: temperancellandudno on August 24, 2012, 12:41:07 AM
Hello

Without engaging in too much controversy, this does seem a very forthright view expressed by Beet. I take most of the points raised, but don't agreewith then all.

I have been a life member of the NT for 25 years. I called in recently at Bodysgallen, but my pocket could not stretch to afternoon tea for myself and my better half.

I'm puzzled, frankly, at the NT. If they want their employees to be enthusiastic about the NT, why don't they grant one or two privileges - e.g. one free entry a year to local properties like Bodnant, Penrhyn, Plas Newydd? Maybe that might enable people working at Bodysgallen and other NT places to enthuse about the NT and its properties. Given the pay involved (hardly stratospheric in any hotel), the NT would hardly be cutting out a vast source of revenue, because most employees would not be able to afford the entrance fees to their properties.

And why not a little notice at Bodysgallen (couldn't see one) that explains the connection with the NT, permits discreet visits to the gardens by NT members (and maybe they might favour tea afterwards). Surely it is helpful to get people to know the place, so that they are more likely to go through the door? After all, we have Heritage Open Days coming up in England (Heritage Open Doors in Denbighshire) and that certainly gets people to visit areas and properties of which they would otherwise remain unaware.

I have an annual card for the Historic Houses Association, and they do include hotels that are historic. Naturally you cannot poke round bedrooms in such places, but I am sure that it helps some people to go through the door to consider weddings and other events, and indeed to think about afternoon tea (and the second mortgage!!).

Just a thought, not attempting to raise any controversy. :)

T
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
Topic for all things Hotel related in the Three Towns area.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on February 28, 2013, 10:00:19 AM
I was interested to see a couple of articles about Llandudno's hotels in the NWWN last week.

The common thread, as I saw it, was how successful Hoteliers are the ones that go the extra mile to provide the experience for their visitors that they don't get at home.

Trevor Mitchell of Chatsworth House, Loretta & Bay Tree Hotels: “I have been in this business a long time and there’s no doubt that people’s expectations have changed, and hotel businesses have to move with the times and try to meet those expectations if they’re to be successful.”

“There is opportunity for hotel businesses to continue to thrive here, but people have to reinvest and give guests what they are looking for.


“It’s a very competitive market and sitting back and resting on our laurels isn’t an option. People’s expectations are high these days and they want to feel they are getting good value,” he added.

Carol-Lynn and Ian Robbins, of the Lauriston Court Hotel in Llandudno:
“We have been very successful, and the future looks good, but we have put a lot of time and effort into achieving that.

“No one in the hotel industry can afford to sit back and take money out of the business without reinvesting in upgrading.

“People’s requirements are higher than they used to be. They want to experience standards better than those they experience at home.


This is something I've always believed in - too often, hotels can be competent but uninspiring - it doesn't take that much extra effort to make them great. Attention to detail is the key.  $good$

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/02/21/businessman-buys-third-llandudno-hotel-because-of-confidence-about-the-resort-s-future-55243-32847257/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/02/21/businessman-buys-third-llandudno-hotel-because-of-confidence-about-the-resort-s-future-55243-32847257/)

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/02/21/hoteliers-say-llandudno-s-victorian-heritage-is-an-asset-55243-32847258/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/02/21/hoteliers-say-llandudno-s-victorian-heritage-is-an-asset-55243-32847258/)

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/02/21/award-winning-llandudno-hoteliers-say-going-an-extra-mile-is-key-to-their-success-55243-32847259/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/02/21/award-winning-llandudno-hoteliers-say-going-an-extra-mile-is-key-to-their-success-55243-32847259/)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2013, 11:24:22 AM
A shame to see this hotel closing, it occupies a great position in Llanrwst overlooking the river:

Eagles Hotel in Llanrwst closes

Mar 7 2013 by Samantha Castle, North Wales Weekly News

THE Eagles Hotel, Ancaster Square, Llanrwst closed its doors on Friday and was boarded up this week as the sale fell through.
The historic hotel, a main-stay in the market town with parts of the building dating from the 18th century, was owned for over 35 years by the Wainwright family. Owner Alan Wainwright said he was unable to discuss the reasons when asked about the closure earlier this week.

Customers in Llanrwst were horrified to see the 14 bedroomed hotel boarded up on Tuesday.

Defining characteristics of the hotel’s frontage, including the Italianate tower, date from the mid-Victorian era when tourism was a major growth industry in the Conwy Valley. The building is named after the three eagles displayed in the coat of arms of the Wynn family, the principal local landowner in the Tudor age.

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/03/07/eagles-hotel-in-llanrwst-closes-55243-32936163/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2013/03/07/eagles-hotel-in-llanrwst-closes-55243-32936163/)
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Post by: hollins on March 07, 2013, 11:38:50 AM
That is a shame.
It seems though, that even the highest rated places cannot escape. The Crown at Whitebrook also closed its doors this week.
I remember going there years ago in my working days and long before the Michelin star but it was good then also.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2013/03/06/michelin-starred-the-crown-at-whitebrook-closes-with-immediate-effect-91466-32936161/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2013/03/06/michelin-starred-the-crown-at-whitebrook-closes-with-immediate-effect-91466-32936161/)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bellringer on March 07, 2013, 12:20:29 PM
The Wainwright family run/used to run, a hotel in Betws y Coed and one in Capel Curig also.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2013, 01:32:54 PM
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That is a shame.
It seems though, that even the highest rated places cannot escape. The Crown at Whitebrook also closed its doors this week.
I remember going there years ago in my working days and long before the Michelin star but it was good then also.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2013/03/06/michelin-starred-the-crown-at-whitebrook-closes-with-immediate-effect-91466-32936161/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2013/03/06/michelin-starred-the-crown-at-whitebrook-closes-with-immediate-effect-91466-32936161/)
I think this quote 'a Michelin star can in some cases be a “kiss of death” for restaurants' in respect of the Crown at Whitebrook is very true. People can be deterred by both perceived cost and the 'fanciness' of the food. How they managed to lose £1.2m in just one year is beyond me though.

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: hollins on March 07, 2013, 01:39:18 PM
An accountant has left this comment below the article which explains that it was a cumulative loss.

 jenkers

7:47 PM on 6/3/2013

Sorry to be a boring accountant, but the figures in the piece by Brendan for the company's loss are cumulative, so the £1.23m loss at March 2012 is the loss since the company started. The cumulative loss at March 2011 was £1.19m which means that the company lost £40,000 in the one year to March 2012. There was a loss of £35,000 in the previous year to March 2011. Still a bloody shame, great place. Hope Chef Sommerin stays in Wales.

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
That makes a lot more sense. A shame that the business couldn't have been brought into profit.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on March 09, 2013, 05:31:00 PM
The now closed and boarded up Eagles Hotel in Llanrwst:

http://www.colliersproperty.co.uk/hotels-for-sale/llanrwst/206337/ (http://www.colliersproperty.co.uk/hotels-for-sale/llanrwst/206337/)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on March 09, 2013, 06:06:34 PM
Whilst in Llanrwst, I also noted that the Pen Y Bont pub was up for sale at £180k:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on March 27, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
The Royal Hotel in Church Walks has been placed in the hands of Administrators and has ceased trading.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on March 28, 2013, 09:22:29 AM
Administrators brought in at Llandudno hotel
Mar 28 2013

ADMINISTRATORS have been appointed to look after one of Llandudno’s best known hotels.

Corporate recovery specialists Begbies Traynor took on the family-run Royal Hotel on Church Walks on March 25 . The hotel has been closed while its future is considered.

John Kelly and Nigel Price of Begbies Traynor were appointed joint administrators to the Royal Hotel after it fell behind with loan payments and obligations to other creditors. Everyone who has booked accommodation at the hotel has been advised of the closure.

Mr Kelly said: “Like many hotels, The Royal has struggled during the longest recession period in living memory and has sought to survive by subscribing to a variety of ‘voucher schemes’.

“As a result, from an administration perspective it made sense to close the hotel as future residents using vouchers would not pay for their accommodation and as a result there would be no funds to cover the costs of trading.

“Everyone who has booked is being advised of the closure and anyone who has paid for vouchers should approach the voucher company they have used direct.”
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Post by: ormegolf on March 28, 2013, 09:23:58 PM
I don't understand the word "vouchers" in this context, but do I guess correct that a lot of potential visitors have purchased discounted holidays at some time in the future at the Royal and have now got a piece of paper with doubtful value and no holiday? Also, gobsmaked about the Eagles in Llanrwst, I cannot believe it. The Pen y Bont which I know very,very well. No surprise here. Excellent pub with outstanding management managed to sell it in the nick of time, around four years ago, since then goodness knows how many owners, many of them terrible.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on March 29, 2013, 12:12:12 PM
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I don't understand the word "vouchers" in this context, but do I guess correct that a lot of potential visitors have purchased discounted holidays at some time in the future at the Royal and have now got a piece of paper with doubtful value and no holiday? Also, gobsmaked about the Eagles in Llanrwst, I cannot believe it. The Pen y Bont which I know very,very well. No surprise here. Excellent pub with outstanding management managed to sell it in the nick of time, around four years ago, since then goodness knows how many owners, many of them terrible.
Struggling hotels often do a deal with websites such as 'KGB deals', whereby they undertake to offer a reduced price for bookings in return for the cashflow generated from the extra business. Kills the profit margins, of course.  &shake&
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on March 29, 2013, 07:45:03 PM
  Obviously hasn't worked with the Royal.
  However there may be other factors. I spotted a comment from someone, I'm not sure if it was on the forum or maybe Facebook. The gist was they were not surprised it has gone under and hinted at the management.
  My own experience, if it was run by the same people, which I dont know.
   I had a right up and down did dong battle back around 5/6 years ago with a lady in some position of authority from the Royal. It became so vocal during the middle of the day in Church Walks for all to hear and see, that I couldn't stop laughing. As did a man who was with this lady. Incase you wonder, it was all to do with parking, and my saying to myself --- but it must have been a fraction too loud and the lady must have had damn good hearing --- its not my fault if you cannot drive.
  But not good for any potential visitors hearing this.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2013, 02:26:22 PM
I see the newly renovated Elm Tree Hotel has been put straight up for sale:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-38377969.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-38377969.html)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on April 09, 2013, 11:41:51 PM
Given the owners ambition and comments heard around town about getting that establishment re-launched, I am amazed at that decision.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on April 10, 2013, 06:55:28 AM
Maybe he just has the bug now and is moving on to the Belle Vue.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 10, 2013, 09:48:14 AM
More money to be made from buying cheaply (£250k), refurbing and then selling on, than operating as a hotel, I imagine.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on April 11, 2013, 12:41:17 AM
The All Seasons on Hill Terrace has been put back on the market by its Jewish owners because it will no longer be needed . They were expecting up to 22,000 visitors to come to Llandudno this summer to take part in the services to be conducted by Israel's Head Rabbi. Unfortunately he died a few weeks ago and the new Head Rabbi doesn't feel the same need to escape Israel's summer heat.

http://www.christie.com/en/search/property/9/substantial_detached_hotel_north_wales_for_sale_44206?1365636566 (http://www.christie.com/en/search/property/9/substantial_detached_hotel_north_wales_for_sale_44206?1365636566)

P.S. The other SUBSTANTIAL HOTEL up for sale on the same page is The Evans Hotel on Charlton St.

http://www.christie.com/en/search/property/7/substantial_hotel_llandudno_for_sale_43894?1365636566 (http://www.christie.com/en/search/property/7/substantial_hotel_llandudno_for_sale_43894?1365636566)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: majormellons on April 11, 2013, 01:51:09 AM
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P.S. The other SUBSTANTIAL HOTEL up for sale on the same page is The Evans Hotel on Charlton St.

http://www.christie.com/en/search/property/7/substantial_hotel_llandudno_for_sale_43894?1365636566 (http://www.christie.com/en/search/property/7/substantial_hotel_llandudno_for_sale_43894?1365636566)

Isn't that the Broadway Hotel?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on April 11, 2013, 08:31:50 AM
That picture is indeed The Broadway Hotel.

However, I hear that The Evans Hotel (Vaughan Street) is also for sale.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on April 17, 2013, 04:19:38 PM
I read in the Daily Post today that The Esplanade Hotel on Glan-y-Mor Parade is up for sale for £1.2m. 59 en-suite rooms.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cat Stevens on April 19, 2013, 02:44:40 PM
Interesting point the Elm Tree on the market for £625k with no trading accounts. Banks will not lend without water tight trading account. Without trade shouldn't be worth more than £350k and especially in view of its recent trading history.
Anyone got any knowledge as to what is being proposed for the old winter Garders site (pier). Seen a few surveyor type suits with hard hats there recently.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on April 19, 2013, 05:09:57 PM
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Interesting point the Elm Tree on the market for £625k with no trading accounts. Banks will not lend without water tight trading account. Without trade shouldn't be worth more than £350k and especially in view of its recent trading history.

If you have to borrow money to buy a small Hotel (10 to 20 bedrooms) along the North Shore you will never make it pay and even with water tight trading accounts the Banks won't lend you money to buy one. As for the Elm Tree only being worth £350k in its current state it's worth a good deal more than that, even without trading figures.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cat Stevens on April 19, 2013, 05:35:38 PM
A business without trading accounts is only worth the value of its bricks and mortar.
A business with trading accounts is only worth a factor of its bottom line
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Post by: DaveR on April 19, 2013, 07:07:27 PM
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Interesting point the Elm Tree on the market for £625k with no trading accounts. Banks will not lend without water tight trading account. Without trade shouldn't be worth more than £350k and especially in view of its recent trading history.
I remember thinking when it sold for £250k that you'd be hard pushed to find a house that big for the money anywhere else...especially with that view!
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Anyone got any knowledge as to what is being proposed for the old winter Garders site (pier). Seen a few surveyor type suits with hard hats there recently.
No doubt another go at a hotel on the site. Unless the design changes radically, the owner has not a chance of success.
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Post by: DaveR on April 19, 2013, 07:33:21 PM
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A business without trading accounts is only worth the value of its bricks and mortar.
A business with trading accounts is only worth a factor of its bottom line
A third example could be a hotel business that trades fairly well but the hotel itself is worth far more as a development site. So, the owner runs the business down, claims it is no longer viable and sells it for a price considerably higher than its value either as a business or a hotel property. We could call this the 'penmorfa' option, maybe?  ;)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on April 19, 2013, 07:59:06 PM
  That reads like a shrewd observation
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cat Stevens on April 19, 2013, 09:58:49 PM
To buy a business with no trading account in the hope that you can convert to a residential property is risky and therefore requires a low selling price IE 250k. you soon find yourself at the mercy of the council as one will require planning consent to convert from a hotel business that pays non domestic rates to a private dwelling paying much reduced domestic rates.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cat Stevens on April 19, 2013, 10:06:00 PM
Of course the owner does run a pub restaurant and it makes me wonder it he has got wind of a rather large but at this stage rumored development for the old winter gardens site.
As I said earlier quite significant activity incorporating suits in hard hats. My opinion corporate surveyors.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on April 20, 2013, 08:27:58 AM
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To buy a business with no trading account in the hope that you can convert to a residential property is risky and therefore requires a low selling price IE 250k. you soon find yourself at the mercy of the council as one will require planning consent to convert from a hotel business that pays non domestic rates to a private dwelling paying much reduced domestic rates.

And lose the business rate relief?
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Post by: DaveR on April 20, 2013, 09:22:14 AM
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To buy a business with no trading account in the hope that you can convert to a residential property is risky and therefore requires a low selling price IE 250k. you soon find yourself at the mercy of the council as one will require planning consent to convert from a hotel business that pays non domestic rates to a private dwelling paying much reduced domestic rates.

And lose the business rate relief?
The Elms does indeed just creep in under the upper limit for Business Rate Relief, having a value of £7600:
http://www.2010.voa.gov.uk/rli/en/basic/find/assessment-history/2010/11247902000 (http://www.2010.voa.gov.uk/rli/en/basic/find/assessment-history/2010/11247902000)
...giving them a 25% discount on normal rates.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cat Stevens on April 20, 2013, 09:54:46 AM
Still no thoughts towards the activity on ground zero next to the pier!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: DaveR on April 20, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
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Still no thoughts towards the activity on ground zero next to the pier!!!!!!!!!!
The owner of the site has only ever wanted a hotel there and is not willing to consider other options. I understand he has refused several offers for the site, in the past.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cat Stevens on April 20, 2013, 11:44:35 AM
I am trying to establish whether there is any truth behind the rumour of an application which is currently being formulated for 150 bedrooms, restaurants, bars  etc.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on April 20, 2013, 02:57:26 PM
I only hope that if that is so whoever is concerned does their homework ! The visitor numbers would have to rise considerably to make a go of that.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 20, 2013, 05:14:15 PM
Build it and they will come.....maybe?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on April 20, 2013, 10:57:22 PM
There is always considerable speculation on what can or can’t be built on the Pier Pavilion site and we quite often see surveyors and the like going about their business down there. The only thing that’s different this time is the site has now been included in the Hotel Habitation Zone in the latest L.D.P.

But think on, as much as we would like to see the problem of the Pavilion Site brought to a satisfactory conclusion, how could they justify building a brand new 150 bedroom Hotel, complete with double glazed windows, right in the middle of the Conservation Area?

I’ve lived right opposite for 16 years, speculation and rumours come and go, I’m just glad I didn’t hold my breath on an outcome.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on April 20, 2013, 11:34:36 PM
An indoor, multiple use tourist attraction is what is required on that site. Use your imagination.
Such a thing would make Llandudno the foremost resort (after Blackpool maybe) in a 150 mile radius.

This would make more sense than another hotel, it would boost trade to the existing hotels, and all surrounding businesses.

Now, a 150 hotel on that site would have one massive disadvantage.  NO PARKING!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on April 21, 2013, 08:31:55 AM
Well said Fester-- Parking is bad enough, they would have to make some kind of underground facility.

Many years ago we had some Japanese architects stay with us who were surveying the site. This must have been well over 10 years ago and it was for a leisure facility. Still waiting !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 21, 2013, 08:36:10 AM
Isn’t that the case with most of the other hotels on the seafront?

Anyway, cars can always park down in Tuson’s.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on April 21, 2013, 09:28:19 AM
The bigger ones have small car parks at the rear--- mainly quite tight for entry and exit, but not all. The access isn't good, but some have permits for elsewhere.
Weekends are a nightmare, especially near here. Since Bonkers opened the demand for short term parking in the area gets desperate at times. Next door went out and found a total stranger calmly parking in their private car park. ! Not to mention the one who parked 6" away, right across our garage for the whole of one Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 23, 2013, 01:41:16 PM
The Royal Hotel in Church Walks has just gone on the market, as a 'hotel/redevelopment opportunity':
http://www.colliersproperty.co.uk/insolvency-to-let/llandudno/22250 (http://www.colliersproperty.co.uk/insolvency-to-let/llandudno/22250)

I see also the the St Tudnos Hotel is up for sale at £750,000:
http://www.colliersproperty.co.uk/hotels-to-let/llandudno/206335 (http://www.colliersproperty.co.uk/hotels-to-let/llandudno/206335)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on June 27, 2013, 02:52:51 PM
Bryn Y Mor Hotel on North Parade has just sold.  $good$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on June 27, 2013, 04:34:31 PM
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The bigger ones have small car parks at the rear---

They did have LARGE ones until they all decided to engage in "back yard building".  About the only one left with the original car park is the Hydro. 
The owners were their own worst enemy as it's turned out.  ZXZ
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on June 28, 2013, 12:10:49 AM
It doesn't matter what size the carpark is if most of your trade is coaching.  ZXZ
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 04, 2013, 07:19:11 PM
Saw the Recobuild van outside the Clarence with a Jewish builder and i saw lots of our Jewish friends in Plas Gogarth,so i presume they have aquired it for some purpose.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on July 04, 2013, 08:13:31 PM
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It doesn't matter what size the carpark is if most of your trade is coaching.  ZXZ

Unless, of course, you need somewhere to park your coach!  Or does everyone rely on others for the peripheral services?   :D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on July 05, 2013, 08:49:42 AM
This isn't strictly (or even) a Llandudno hotel, but if you want something to cheer you up, and leave you gasping for breath while tears roll down your cheeks from laughing so much, look up Adare Hotel, 153 Sussex Gardens, Hyde Park, London W2 2RY in Trip Advisor.  I've never believed Fawlty Towers could actually exist, but apparently it's alive and well - in Hyde Park. Reading this will certainly cheer up all of you who own hotels :-))

With gruesome fascination, however, the worst hotel in London on TripAdvisor is this: Berkeley Court, 22 Upper Berkeley Street, London W1H 7PF.  This one however, doesn't have the amusement factor of the other; it's just seriously nasty.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 07, 2013, 08:52:32 AM
Mostyn estates must be back in charge of the Tudno Castle as they are always doing bits on it to make it safe and im glad as we know they will be doing their best to find the right tennant,i do hope they suceed.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cambrian on July 08, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
ian - even the address is "iffy".  From memory Sussex Gardens is just south of Paddington station whereas Hyde Park is the other side of Marble Arch nearly a mile down the Edgware Road from the hotel.
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Post by: DaveR on July 08, 2013, 08:23:15 PM
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Mostyn estates must be back in charge of the Tudno Castle as they are always doing bits on it to make it safe and im glad as we know they will be doing their best to find the right tennant,i do hope they suceed.
I saw Edward and 6 other men in suits looking at it last week.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on July 09, 2013, 08:13:22 AM
Hope they didn't stand too close ! We had doubts about parking near to it on Sunday !
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Post by: Yorkie on July 09, 2013, 08:33:32 AM
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ian - even the address is "iffy".  From memory Sussex Gardens is just south of Paddington station whereas Hyde Park is the other side of Marble Arch nearly a mile down the Edgware Road from the hotel.

The post Code is the guide.

Paddington Station to Sussex Gardens is only a short distance as is Sussex Gardens to Hyde Park.   Marble Arch is further East along the Bayswater Road.   Post Code is the same for all.   ;D

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: romanjohn on July 10, 2013, 02:55:34 AM
I belive wrex said that there was scafolding around the wash any idea whats going on may be its for opening as a takaway  romanjohn
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 10, 2013, 06:56:27 AM
To me it looks like they have just done a bit of essential roof work,there is no sign of any work inside at all.
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Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2013, 09:27:49 AM
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To me it looks like they have just done a bit of essential roof work,there is no sign of any work inside at all.
I went past this morning, no sign of any work having been done in last few months, the building is looking very tatty indeed.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2013, 09:31:26 AM
Funny....  :laugh:

Actually reminds me of a story I read in a book about film producer Tony Tenser back in the 1970s. One of his favourite methods of creating publicity for a film was to have a life size cardboard cut out of the stars placed at the cinema entrance. The cutout would then 'mysteriously disappear' overnight, leading to newspaper stories and lots of publicity for the film.

Restaurant owner upset after thieves steal his Egyptian statue
10 Jul 2013 08:57

Police called after Ramesses II statue is taken from outside an Eastern European eaterie

An exotic statue has vanished after thieves swiped it from outside a restaurant.

 It was one of a pair, each more than five feet tall and weighing 50kgs, and would have needed several people to carry it.

 Victim James Corbett, who only opened his Hungry For Hungarian restaurant in Llandudno last month, said: “I’m gutted.”

 Police were called after the theft of the Rameses II-style figure from the eaterie in The Lindens House Hotel in Church Walks.

 Hotel boss Mr Corbett, 51, said: “Someone’s carried it off. It can’t have been just one person. It must have been two or three because they’re so heavy.”

 And after the Egyptian takeaway, he added with black humour: “You could say it walked like an Egyptian.

 “It’s annoying because I’m going to have to take the other one in at night now.”

 Mr Corbett says the theft is not on CCTV because only Mostyn Street is covered.

 He had bought the statues with other commercial equipment from staff at the nearby Pars Restaurant, which has now closed.

 He said he had Egyptian themed statues at an east European restaurant because he likes to make a statement – and they’ve proved to be a huge hit with customers and passersby.

 He said: “I like eclectic, daft things. The customers love them and people were stopping and taking photographs with them.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/llandudno-restaurant-owner-upset-after-4922479 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/llandudno-restaurant-owner-upset-after-4922479)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on July 21, 2013, 08:12:00 PM
Fester recently commented on another thread that he believed the Grand Hotel belonged in the category of 'local eyesore'.  AS I was looking at Trip Advisor, I decided to have a look at the Grand's reviews on there, and it does seem Fester may have a point:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on July 21, 2013, 10:52:56 PM
With regard to The Grand,  I hear plenty of customer's verdicts on Llandudno's hotels.  Sadly The Grand is never spoken of in glowing terms.  It ranges from a shoulder-shrug and comments such as 'Well, its not TOO BAD when you book a cheap deal',  to  'Its a nice town this, but that hotel lets it down badly'


Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on July 22, 2013, 01:03:37 PM
We have always referred to it as the "Notso"  :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on September 10, 2013, 10:34:49 AM
Work on the Clarence Hotel seems to be progressing very slowly. Judging by the large hole that has been dug on the Arvon Ave side, and the continual presence of Surveyors vans, the structural problems may well be more serious than they thought?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on September 10, 2013, 05:09:14 PM
Oscar has been speaking to the owner of the Clarence and once again ccbc are holding up the project,what is wrong with these idiots we have to pay their wages out of our rates,its a joke.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2013, 08:19:28 AM
I see scaffolders are once again working on the Alexandra this morning. I can honestly say that I've never seen so so much scaffolding being put up and taken down as on that building in the last few months - is it some sort of Scaffolders Championship?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: hollins on March 09, 2014, 10:44:42 AM
This is a letter from a hotelier to the editor of the Good Hotel Guide.

"TripAdvisor is indeed becoming an ugly industry monster, however the public absolutely love it. Its website is the largest traffic generator to our website bar none, its huge for us and most of our bookings are generated from it.The worrying thing on the horizon is the Trip Connect feature, having to bid on a pence per click basis and offer low prices to be ranked higher. It’s obviously optional now, but you can see a time when you’re going to be forced to use it. A minority of TA users use the Booking.com function to book, and again customers are not aware of the commission rate of this. With Laterooms.com moving to 17% commission it won’t be long until Booking.com follows. All irrritations for sure but here to stay nonetheless. You might as well embrace it and just be clever in how you farm it for value.'

I don't think anyone has really answered DaveR's question about how can it be in some cases, cheaper to book with an agent rather than direct with the hotel when commission has to be paid to them.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: OrmeMac on March 10, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
I've asked about this apparent anomaly and I was told it is because an Agent will approach a hotel and offer to buy up x rooms for a given fixed price. The hotel is guaranteed this money whether or not the agent manages to sell the rooms. The amount offered to the hotel will likely be lower than had they managed to sell the rooms themselves but at least it is 'money in the bank'. The agent then has to try their best to sell the rooms they have bought and paid for and as the time for selling the rooms reduces so the agent may be forced to lower their prices to at least get some of their outlay back.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: born2run on March 10, 2014, 04:18:10 PM
What about these offers on things like Groupon or KGB deals

You noramlly get offered one or two nights - with meals or breakfast or whatever

says should be ££££ and is a big reduction.

But I looked at once recently that looked good - went on the hotel's website to check how much it was on there
and it was half the price!

I think those offers only really work best on weekends and if you're interested in ordering 3 course meal etc
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: oliverrhysthomas on April 02, 2014, 01:12:04 PM
Hello,

Does anyone know whats happening to this hotel and who is in charge now? Contact details?

Thanks all! Have a grand day
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 02, 2014, 02:03:12 PM
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Hello,

Does anyone know whats happening to this hotel and who is in charge now? Contact details?

Thanks all! Have a grand day
It is now owned by Mostyn Estates Ltd and work is shortly starting to renovate/convert it into a Premier Inn on the upper floors, with several restaurants on the ground floor.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Pendragon on April 04, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
I was told yesterday that developers are knocking down the back end of the Tudno.  There's a Pizza Hut going in the grounds.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on April 06, 2014, 09:22:39 PM
The Belmont Hotel is now to be put up for sale,  and the staff have been told that it will remain open until it is sold, whenever that may be!

Good for morale eh?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bellringer on April 06, 2014, 09:35:47 PM
Part of the rear of the Talycafn Hotel appears to have been demolished. Perhaps there is a case to demolish the whole building, it really does look a delapidated relic of its former self.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on April 06, 2014, 10:17:04 PM
  But its only about 10 years ago that an enormous amount of cash was spent on the buildings and the carpark. Has it gone wrong in such a short space of time?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 07, 2014, 10:19:19 AM
It's going to be renovated and reopened as a pub/restaurant:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/tal-y-cafn-pub-conwy-6752901 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/tal-y-cafn-pub-conwy-6752901)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Craigydonian on April 07, 2014, 03:11:13 PM
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I was told yesterday that developers are knocking down the back end of the Tudno.  There's a Pizza Hut going in the grounds.
I think a Pizza Hut maybe wide of the mark.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on April 20, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
Regency Royal hotel has been sold subject to contract
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 20, 2014, 08:58:43 PM
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Regency Royal hotel has been sold subject to contract
...and is to become the Llandudno Bay Hotel.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 20, 2014, 09:03:02 PM
Is that part of Shearings?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on April 20, 2014, 09:12:57 PM
Maybe the Llandudno quarry bay hotel might be a bit more apt. ZXZ
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on April 20, 2014, 11:50:37 PM
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Regency Royal hotel has been sold subject to contract

Serves them right for serving that weird 'beef bacon' instead of the proper British bacon that 'most' holiday makers expect.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 21, 2014, 07:02:09 PM
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Is that part of Shearings?
No, it's going to be owned by a consortium of investors who intend to thoroughly refurbish the hotel:
http://www.propertiesoftheworld.co.uk/llandudnobayhotel.html (http://www.propertiesoftheworld.co.uk/llandudnobayhotel.html)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on April 21, 2014, 08:18:51 PM
quite bizarre that 3 buisnesses in their pictures have closed ,the London,Manor foods and Bettys Fabrics,i do hope the Habit tearooms are;nt next.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 22, 2014, 09:39:53 AM
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quite bizarre that 3 buisnesses in their pictures have closed ,the London,Manor foods and Bettys Fabrics,i do hope the Habit tearooms are;nt next.
I did notice that - funny.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on April 22, 2014, 04:37:51 PM
we are all doomed
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 28, 2014, 04:10:21 PM
The former owners of the Royal Hotel have moved out and Northstar Estates are boarding up the building.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 01, 2014, 08:52:52 AM
Deganwy Quay Hotel up for sale for £7m
May 01, 2014 07:00 By Mari Jones
Administrators have been called in to the company that owns the freehold and shares in the hotel

Deganwy  Quay Hotel has been put up  for sale with a price tag of  £7m after it was revealed  administrators have been  called in to its holding company.

The news has shocked the local  community as the hotel is one of  the biggest employers in the area.

It was opened in 2006 by the Earl  and Countess of Wessex, and it’s  understood it cost £12m to develop.

David Chubb and David Kelly of  PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP  were appointed as joint administrators of Albemarle Leisure  LLP on February 19. The company owns shares in Deganwy Quay  Limited and the freehold property  of the Quay Hotel and Spa.

However, the administrators have stressed Deganwy Quay  Limited, which runs the hotel under a lease arrangement  from Albermarle, is not in administration and is financially  self sufficient.

The hotel will continue to trade as normal whilst a  purchaser is sought.

More than 70 people work at the Quay Hotel, which is part of a  landmark £43m marina development on the River Conwy.  The hotel makes a significant contribution to the local  economy. In addition to the wages it pays local people, the  establishment spends around £700,000 with local suppliers.  The award-winning hotel has 74 bedrooms and suites.

David Jetuah of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP commented: “Albemarle Leisure had for some time being trying to  refinance the debt of the company, however due to the timing  of any offer available, it was felt that to protect the company’s  assets administration was appropriate.”

The hotel is for sale with JLL Hotels and Hospitality  Group. It’s vice president Alistair Greenhalgh said that  although it’s only been on the market officially for a week  The Quay is already attracting a high level of interest.

He said: “The Quay is a modern, well-appointed four star hotel that  benefits from an attractive marina location which makes it  a very appealing investment opportunity.

"Well qualified  purchasers have now returned to the hotel market and we  are already receiving high levels of interest from hotel  owners and operators wanting to acquire this asset. The sale  will both protect and safeguard the hotel business.”

Deganwy councillor Julie Fallon said: “This is really sad news. The Quay is an important employer in Deganwy and a real asset to the community. But you would find it hard to find as beautiful a spot as the Deganwy Quay so I am sure it is just a matter of time before a buyer is found.”

The Mayor of Conwy Cllr Samantha Cotton added: “I had heard they were in trouble.

“Obviously the Quay area has brought increased prosperity to the area and the hotel is an important employer, in an area that does rely heavily on tourism.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/deganwy-quay-hotel-up-sale-7056520 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/deganwy-quay-hotel-up-sale-7056520)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 01, 2014, 08:58:09 AM
I had a quick look at the accounts of Abermarle Leisure and they are pretty grim. The company has a net worth of minus £6.1m, .i.e it owes far more than its assets are worth. They had the Hotel on the books for years at a value of £13m, but it looks as though they were forced to write the value down recently to a more realistic valuation of £7m and this has caused the crisis.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/OC330580 (http://companycheck.co.uk/company/OC330580)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on May 01, 2014, 07:19:54 PM
It was a totally unrealistic project right from the outset. Built as a 5 stare Hotel for our political elite to use when they came North to visit their colleagues who were supposed to move into the White Elephant WAG offices in Llandudno Junction.

There isn't a hope in hell of any realistically sized 5 Stare Hotel surviving and making a profit in this part of Wales. Even with the summer trade its catchment area is just to small. Plus of course it was fully backed by that other totally discredited Quango, the Welsh Tourist Board.  &shake&   
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on May 01, 2014, 10:05:11 PM
I went there a lot last Summer, and I was always struck by how busy it was.

On the beautiful 'suntrap' patio, it was always full of golfers and business types.

Of course many of the local residents were there too, and many of the Marina 'yachting set'

I hope it survives, and that the administrators manage to sell it as a going concern.


Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on May 01, 2014, 11:26:32 PM
  Gosh Fester I didn't know you mixed in those circles.

   But I meet a few golfers, I suppose I'm a business type of a kind, I'm a local resident and I did have a yacht when I was around 10 years old. Used to sail it in the West Shore boating pool.
   
   But it looks as if I left it too late to join. Mike
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: hollins on May 02, 2014, 07:11:38 AM
Never too late Mike and with your brilliant sense of humour, you will go far!
Thanks for the laughs.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on June 10, 2014, 05:32:05 PM
Contractors have been working at the closed Royal Hotel in Church Walks this week, cutting down the large trees that surround the property. This has the unfortunate effect of making the semi-derelict building even more visible.  &shake& Potential access points to the building have been boarded up by Northstar Estates.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on June 10, 2014, 05:36:50 PM
Bet the constant whining of the saws has driven you nuts !
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 10, 2014, 07:45:46 PM
Royal Hotel in the Seventies.
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Post by: DaveR on June 11, 2014, 01:04:07 PM
Fresh plans have been submitted to  transform a derelict former hotel into  a 63 bed Premier Inn, restaurants and  retail units - creating 110 jobs.

The prominent Tudno Castle Hotel  in Llandudno has lain empty since  closing in 2008 and become an eyesore  in the centre of the seaside resort.

A previous attempt to redevelop the  Grade II Listed site collapsed, but last year developers revealed a new plan for the site involving the Premier Inn.

A  revised planning application has now been submitted to Conwy County  Council.

Under the £10m plans Opus Land  would build a 63 bed hotel, retaining  the existing facade, create three restaurants, two retail units and a business unit on the top floor.

This would see Premier Inn come in  to run the hotel with Italian chain  Prezzo taking over one of the restaurants.

Negotiations are ongoing for the  other restaurants and bar units.

Mostyn Estates managing director  Edward Hillier said: “This is a very  important development for the town.  Premier Inn will attract new visitors to  Llandudno.

“Some people now go straight to  Premier Inn or Travelodge websites  and see where they have hotels and  when they see there is a hotel in  Llandudno will book that.

“Developing this site is also crucial  in providing the seamless link from  Parc Llandudno to the high street with  two new retail sites developed providing this link.

“We already have Premier Inn and  Prezzo are taking one of the restaurant  sites and we are in discussions over the  second restaurant site.

“There is also a bar/restaurant  site as well.

“We will be start the active search  for tenants for the retail units at a later  date but we know in which direction  we want to go.”

Aberconwy AM Janet Finch Saunders said: “I am delighted to learn   an  investor has come forward with a   redevelopment scheme for the once  iconic Tudno Castle Hotel.

“For too long this well situated   hotel, has been an eyesore and there is  so much potential here for a new and  innovative  redevelopment scheme.  Llandudno has always been renowned  for many years, as the Premier shopping town in North Wales.

“This redevelopment  once completed,  will further link  the Parc Llandudno Retail Park  to the  town itself and will be yet another  superb attraction and asset to the  town.”

Planning permission was granted to  previous site owners Conwy Estates in  2008 after a lengthy planning process  which culminated in an inquiry heard  by a Welsh Government planning inspector.

But Conwy Estates said  the process had drained  resources and that  Premier Inn, a subsidiary of Whitbreads brewery, was no longer interested.

This new plan would create a mixed  use development of nearly 5,000 sq  metres over five floors, including a  semi basement lower ground floor.

In order to retain the listed facade a  detailed scheme of structural stabilisation and temporary propping of the  facade will be required.

The building dates back to the 1870s  and was formerly two hotels, Tudno  Castle and the Temperance Hotel. It  became the Great Western Hotel and  then went back to the Tudno Castle  name. It was Grade II Listed in 1976.

With soaring energy prices developers want to install a heat pump to  heat the hotel.

The two retail units will be over two  floors to blend in with existing units  on Parc Llandudno.

A spokesman said: “The retail use is  supported by Conwy’s Local Development Plan strategic policies that  seek to protect the retail offer in  Llandudno and enhance the vitality,  attractiveness and viability of the retail centres.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/tudno-castle-new-plans-transform-7249215 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/tudno-castle-new-plans-transform-7249215)
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Post by: born2run on June 11, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
Brilliant news as it will bring more people in. However Premier Inns aren't normally the nicest looking places with their gaudy colours which is why they are ussualy off motorways rather than slap bang in the middle of town. Surely it will look a bit of an eye sore?
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Post by: Cat Stevens on June 11, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
It's good to see positive activity relating to the site of the castle hotel. On another note I see the clearance hotel progressing nicely but does anyone know who will be or may be occupying the ground flood of the Clarence.
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Post by: wrex on June 12, 2014, 05:59:56 AM
Prezzo looks nice,a bit pricey but good menu,might make a few local Italians too up their game.
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Post by: mull on June 12, 2014, 09:08:06 AM
Thought it was the North Western Hotel not Great Western.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: TheMedz on July 03, 2014, 10:23:10 PM
Travelodge Llandudno, Clarence now taking bookings from 2nd December 2014 onwards.Starting off at £42 per room per night.
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Post by: wrex on July 13, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
Do we presume that Whitbreads are taking over one of the restaurants in Tudno Point as they have a application on the fence or do Premier Inns sell alcohol.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 13, 2014, 12:17:12 PM
They have licenced restaurants attached to Craigside Inn and Afon Conwy so I suppose there is no reason to believe this site will be any different.
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Post by: Cordyline on July 13, 2014, 01:05:48 PM
Thanks to TheMedz

re new Travelodge in Llandudno

Just booked 3 nights in December, double room for total £72.00
 $good$  $good$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 13, 2014, 03:18:36 PM
It is a license to sell to residents so Premier inns must have a bar unlike Travelodges
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on July 13, 2014, 05:01:49 PM
I think the Planning Application shows a small restaurant in the foyer of the Premier Inn.
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Post by: Nemesis on July 13, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
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Thanks to TheMedz

re new Travelodge in Llandudno

Just booked 3 nights in December, double room for total £72.00
 $good$  $good$

Good luck !!!! Hope it is finished !!!!!
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Post by: 1_rob_1 on July 13, 2014, 06:57:48 PM
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Thanks to TheMedz

re new Travelodge in Llandudno


Just booked 2 nights in February, should be finished by then  :D double room Fri/Sat for total £50  D)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 13, 2014, 07:04:45 PM
Just as a matter of interest where do you nomalely stay.
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Post by: 1_rob_1 on July 13, 2014, 09:47:58 PM
Normally we stay in various B&Bs, we do have our favourites but tend to vary a little, Llandudno has a good selection of quality B&Bs.
 
Ive only stayed in one terrible Llandudno hotel over the years but I suppose I shouldnt name & shame it - I have heard that the fire damage to it has now been repaired & the scaffolding is now being removed.   WWW

I'm not sure that a Travelodge or another Premier Inn are a good thing for the town because of their low prices, especially out of season. The B&Bs/Guesthouses will probably lose a lot of custom but the retail trade (shops) will probably do better. They may also attract undesirables due to the cost.
 
I visit & stay in Llandudno approx 5 times per year & if the Travelodge is ok I will probably use it again as long as I can book a 'saver' room. If I have to pay their full price then I will use a B&B.
 
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Post by: born2run on July 14, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
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. They may also attract undesirables due to the cost.
 


Who would these 'undesirables' be exactly?
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Post by: Cordyline on July 14, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
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Good luck !!!! Hope it is finished !!!!!

We stay in the Llandudno area several times a year; We have four visits already lined up this year

In the past I have asked if any members of Three Towns own Hotels etc with no reply

Ideally we would like a holiday home in the area, due to family commitments this is not possible just yet  :'(  :'(
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Post by: 1_rob_1 on July 14, 2014, 12:08:34 PM
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Who would these 'undesirables' be exactly?

They could attract stag/hen parties or groups of troublemakers etc. intent on having a 'good time' disregarding what others think.
These could lower the tone of the area & intimidate a lot of the quieter folk, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
I'm sure that the last thing Llandudno wants is to eventually turn into another Blackpool.  :o
I may be exaggerating the issue - but in the future - - who knows???

Wetherspoons profits are about too soar.  Z**
 
I know that there is the argument that there is not enough nightlife in Llandudno for its own teenagers/youths but at least in general they respect their own town.
 
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Post by: born2run on July 14, 2014, 12:18:08 PM
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Who would these 'undesirables' be exactly?

They could attract stag/hen parties or groups of troublemakers etc. intent on having a 'good time' disregarding what others think.
These could lower the tone of the area & intimidate a lot of the quieter folk, whether intentionally or unintentionally.


I see your point but Llandudno needs something, the old people who come now are not going to live forever. Stag/Hen parties would at least get some business into the town, the pubs would be happy I'm sure! I don't think you have anything to worry about though, Llandudno does not have an image of anything other than a dreary resort for the very elderly and decrepit and I can't see it changing any time soon.
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Post by: DaveR on July 14, 2014, 12:53:41 PM
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Llandudno does not have an image of anything other than a dreary resort for the very elderly and decrepit and I can't see it changing any time soon.
Perhaps we could invent an unbelievably tenuous link with a victorian children's book and spend many thousands of pounds trying to entice people to visit the town using that? Oh wait...
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on July 19, 2014, 09:28:42 AM
Back to subject--- Can anyone enlighten me as to the goings on at the Queen Vic? Someone who ate there last night seems to think that they are doing some clearing out.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cat Stevens on July 19, 2014, 12:14:25 PM
The tenants took over the tenancy on a 5 year agreement. Could it be the tenancy is coming to an end. Work it out have they been there five years. Only they would know if they haven't come to an arrangement with Marstons over a new term. Or it may be a rent issue as a new argeement would involve a new rent ££££!££!. Look at the London their rent was £50k and they are surrounded by pubs and eateries. The tenant at the London would only make £1.02 on a pint of Fosters which they sold at £3.50 something. My guess is that they may have considered the new rent payable. The work involved and their age not forgetting the hotel they own which doesn't seem to be very busy  . Any thoughts anyone!!!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on July 19, 2014, 07:09:34 PM
The licensees of the Vic, have been informing their hotel Guests (The Elm Tree) that they are pulling out of the pub and are concentrating on the Hotel from now on.

That has been conveyed to me, but I thought that the Elm Tree was up for sale, so I'm a little puzzled.

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 19, 2014, 08:20:35 PM
Maybe not for sale any longer.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-38377969.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-38377969.html)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cat Stevens on July 19, 2014, 10:03:12 PM
Bought run down bankrupt hotel for 250k spent 100k and placed on market for 645k.
 So it hasn't sold.  If you spend an hour on the internet and u really will discover how many hotels are for sale. Then of course here come the big corporate budget hotels with their central reservation systems and their corporate marketing.  So who in their right mind would spend 645k on a hotel which was bankrupt two years ago.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 19, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
To be fair, it was not trading conditions that caused the financial problems and I am sure the previous owners have since been well compensated.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on July 20, 2014, 11:00:17 AM
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The licensees of the Vic, have been informing their hotel Guests (The Elm Tree) that they are pulling out of the pub and are concentrating on the Hotel from now on.

That has been conveyed to me, but I thought that the Elm Tree was up for sale, so I'm a little puzzled.

This came back to me last night-- also a hint of who might be taking over. Have you heard any more Fester?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on July 20, 2014, 09:20:44 PM
Nem,  no that's all that has been said to me.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on July 21, 2014, 05:42:58 PM
Most of the rear buildings at the Tal-y-Cafn have now gone.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 27, 2014, 10:04:09 PM
Hotel on Great Ormes rd,Tan Lan had about 15 lads in Jewish outfits playing football in the road,a bit busy but they seemed oblivious to the traffic,bizarr.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on July 28, 2014, 07:20:40 AM
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Hotel on Great Ormes rd,Tan Lan had about 15 lads in Jewish outfits playing football in the road,a bit busy but they seemed oblivious to the traffic,bizarr.

Are you sure they were Jewish?  If so which sort?   Did you inspect their private parts and check, or was it it just an anti Semitic guess?

 ZXZ
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 28, 2014, 08:24:02 AM
They were orthodox jews.

Everyone was behaving fine and enjoying the good weather out on the balconies and in the front garden when we were returning from St David's Hospice Summer Fete on Saturday afternoon.

In fact, a few of them visited and supported the fete.
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Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2014, 08:47:19 AM
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Hotel on Great Ormes rd,Tan Lan had about 15 lads in Jewish outfits playing football in the road,a bit busy but they seemed oblivious to the traffic,bizarr.

Are you sure they were Jewish?  If so which sort?   Did you inspect their private parts and check, or was it it just an anti Semitic guess?

 ZXZ

The area in question has many Jewish owned places. We mainly get the Hasidic Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic_Judaism#Headwear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic_Judaism#Headwear)) immediately identifiable by the hats. which are lage and must be dreadfully hot in this weather.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on July 28, 2014, 10:36:21 AM
דאנק איר פֿאַר העלפּינג אונדז צו פֿאַרשטיין. גוט כיט!     $good$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: mull on August 03, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
Anyone had a look at Grand Hotel, Llandudno on Trip Advisor recently ?

After reading them reviews would you want to stay there ?

If the hotel is not doing its job properly, it is not doing anything for Llandudno reputation.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on August 03, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
I've,e spoke to people who have stayed there ,and they say never again ,walking down the pier you can hear visitors saying what a mess it looks ,it used to be so grand .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on August 04, 2014, 01:32:50 AM
A group of customers came into my shop and said...
''Oh, we haven't been to Llandudno for a few years,  what a shame that The Grand Hotel closed down....  how long has it been DERELICT like that?''

The owners and Management should be ASHAMED of themselves.   &shake& &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on August 20, 2014, 03:52:30 PM
The new Tudno Point Hotel .....artist's impression, looks like you would expect, keeping the old facade, therefore the character of the area and town,  its good this building and the Clarence have been saved,
maybe not the ideal tenants, but better than nothing being done at all.
I also noticed a lot of work in Madoc St. towards the Station, looks like flats,??? a nice development , in character.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on August 20, 2014, 04:26:52 PM
The old Argyle Flats been a bit of an eyesore for ages.   ZXZ
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Post by: Jack on August 20, 2014, 05:38:58 PM
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The old Argyle Flats been a bit of an eyesore for ages.   ZXZ

Assume you mean Augusta Apartments Yorkie?  The Argyle was renovated years ago  ;D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on August 20, 2014, 05:42:25 PM
Having been away for some time (not there) I noticed, the amount of redevelopment in Llandudno that had and was ongoing, (I even fancied some shares in scaffolding,) it really is good to see, not just the big stuff, we stayed in a few small hotels and flats, while house hunting, which were top class, and eating out has improved a lot.
The point being, its all private money, and they believe in Llandudno, so when is the CCBC going to jump in, and sort out Mostyn St.and the Pavilion....and the Grand needs a big.......

 $walesflag$     $walesflag$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on August 20, 2014, 05:43:07 PM
Yeh slip of the pen.  The old brain box doesn't function as well as it did a few years ago!   $good$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on September 14, 2014, 10:23:18 AM
New Travelodge ...Llandudno.
Recruitment has started for 20 new jobs at a £4.6m hotel in Llandudno.
Travelodge, the UK’s biggest independent hotel chain, will open the 82-room hotel at the former Clarence Hotel on Gloddaeth Street this winter.
This will see the company take on an initial 20 positions with recruitment now underway.
Jobs include hotel manager, receptionist, team member, guest room cleaner and bar café roles.
The new hotel is expected to bring an estimated £1.2m a year into the local economy with a rise in visitor numbers.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/new-travelodge-llandudno-starts-recruitment-7748081 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/new-travelodge-llandudno-starts-recruitment-7748081)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on September 14, 2014, 09:36:42 PM
Any particular reason that you were moved to use the ''Angry Smiley'' Steve?
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Post by: wrex on September 15, 2014, 02:39:19 AM
Does the Travelodge have its own bar then.
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Post by: SteveH on September 15, 2014, 08:36:51 AM
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Any particular reason that you were moved to use the ''Angry Smiley'' Steve?
Hi Fester, Never noticed the  $angry$, not sure how it got there, perhaps Ian could delete for me. $thanx$
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Post by: Nemesis on September 15, 2014, 08:44:04 AM
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Does the Travelodge have its own bar then.

It seems unusual from the ones that I have used, for there to be a bar as such. Often there used to be something like a 'Harvester' or some such where one could buy a 'meal', but not a specified bar.
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Post by: Ian on September 15, 2014, 08:47:51 AM
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Hi Fester, Never noticed the  $angry$, not sure how it got there, perhaps Ian could delete for me.

Dave got there first!
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Post by: SteveH on September 15, 2014, 09:03:12 AM
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Hi Fester, Never noticed the  $angry$, not sure how it got there, perhaps Ian could delete for me.

Dave got there first!
$thanx$    Dave, Ian and Fester, Must have been a senior moment. ! $thanx$
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Post by: Ian on September 15, 2014, 09:20:41 AM
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Post by: Fester on September 15, 2014, 07:55:52 PM
 Y^^Y Y^^Y Y^^Y
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on September 17, 2014, 01:19:30 PM
Ref. Pioneer today.
Manor Hotel.. Corner of Craig-Y-Don Parade and the seafront.....up for sale.....£595.000....agents Fleurets.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on September 17, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Work on the old Clarence Hotel is progressing well:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on September 17, 2014, 03:10:36 PM
I am just thinking what Mostyn St. would look like with all the veranda walkways brought up to the same standard,  and the shop signage sorted. &shake&
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: andrea1976 on September 17, 2014, 06:48:09 PM
Anyone know when the Clarence travelodge is going to open ?  :D
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Post by: FatAndy on September 17, 2014, 08:45:56 PM
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Anyone know when the Clarence travelodge is going to open ?  :D

Their website seems to be accepting bookings from 15th December so it looks like it will be open just in time for Christmas.
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Post by: Cordyline on September 17, 2014, 11:06:11 PM
Travelodge  Llandudno
We are booked in from 9th December, let's hope we have better luck than our HMS Waverley episode
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on September 18, 2014, 08:31:25 AM
According to the workmen they are way behind, their comments were. Any bookings should bring wellies and a hard hat. !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on September 18, 2014, 09:12:13 AM
How it will look when finished:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 18, 2014, 09:34:45 AM
Looks great, I just wonder where residents will park?
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Post by: Bri Roberts on September 18, 2014, 09:53:58 AM
Dunno but I bet I know where most will go for breakfast.
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Post by: Cordyline on September 18, 2014, 10:52:36 AM
Where might that be Bri ?
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Post by: Nemesis on September 18, 2014, 11:08:34 AM
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Looks great, I just wonder where residents will park?

Rhyl ????? There certainly don't seem to be any spaces left over now !
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Post by: SteveH on September 18, 2014, 11:24:55 AM
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Looks great, I just wonder where residents will park?
The Travelodge parking I think will be easier than the Premier Inn, there are the two pay and display, and plenty of free parking on Gloddaeth St/Ave close by.
The Premier Inn might do a deal with the retail park, tor their clients?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 18, 2014, 11:31:53 AM
Already there are few parking spaces around The Clarence, will be interesting to see what happens! I expect that a lot staying would have previously stayed in the many private B & Bs so could park outside them whilst staying in the Travelodge!
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Post by: SteveH on September 18, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
I have just gone on the Travelodge site....double room,two people...23Dec/27Dec...£32 flexible rate/£20 Saver rate per night.
These rates will bring people to the town, good for local business, but the hotels.....
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Post by: FatAndy on September 18, 2014, 01:32:58 PM
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The Premier Inn might do a deal with the retail park, tor their clients?

I wouldn't even contemplate this if I was them, the reason being that the retail park car park is "managed" (and I use that word in the most ironic sense possible) by Parking Eye.  This is a company that's not exactly known for operating ethically or abiding by the rules, even it's own, so any deal would inevitably lead to a barrage of complaints from Premier Inn guests "accidentally" being issued with parking charge notices and having to face the subsequent harrassment that Parking Lie's business model entails.  It would be a PR disaster.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on September 18, 2014, 01:53:43 PM
Good to know.....sounds similar to the company that we get our litter wardens from WWW
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: FatAndy on September 18, 2014, 02:08:42 PM
Parking Lie and the litter wardens are universes apart when it comes to scamming.  I've just done a Google search for "Parking Eye Scam" and it's returned "about 6,230,000 results".  It would take the wardens countless millennia to even get close to that. 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on September 18, 2014, 04:34:10 PM
The Travelodge patrons will park in exactly the same places as the Clarence hotel patrons and the Premier inn will park in the station car park which has never been full yet.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on September 18, 2014, 08:49:52 PM
No way should the Clarence be taking bookings.....they are MONTHS behind, although the roof and windows are in place, there looks to be a good few months work to do yet.
Anyone fancy a little bet?   I say MARCH 2015 opening, at best.
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Post by: FatAndy on September 18, 2014, 10:16:52 PM
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The Travelodge patrons will park in exactly the same places as the Clarence hotel patrons and the Premier inn will park in the station car park which has never been full yet.

Most of the Clarence's patrons came on coach trips so I don't think it would be feasible to expect Travelodge's patrons to drive over to Leeds, park in the driveways of OAPs living there and then hop on a coach to get back.  What Travelodge should do is make Conwy Council an offer they can't refuse for the car park on Gloddaeth Street, resurface it, stick in a barrier controlled pay & display system, allocate enough of the car park for their patrons and open the rest to the public.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on September 19, 2014, 08:43:05 AM
Can you imagine the people of today walking from Gloddaeth Street with luggage, kids, dogs and whatever in driving rain and the wind that blows from the West Shore in Winter?
I can't, some folk expect their cars at the door, or some poor soul fetching same from the car park. Just had a prime example--- too lazy to walk up 3 steps to the car park. Poor husband (hers) having to drive car to front to pick her up !

Fester-- just chat to some of the workforce at the Clarence, I think they fear for their lives at times !
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Post by: Yorkie on September 19, 2014, 09:07:19 AM
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What Travelodge should do is make Conwy Council an offer they can't refuse for the car park on Gloddaeth Street, resurface it, stick in a barrier controlled pay & display system, allocate enough of the car park for their patrons and open the rest to the public.

Except that I think you will find that the car parks are on rather short term lease from Mostyn Estates.  The Maelgwyn Road park's lease expired a few years ago and the site is, I believe, earmarked for dwellings.  There was an arrangement some years ago with the Grand Hotel for this car park to be used by its patrons but that ended.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on September 19, 2014, 03:45:12 PM
They all have nice new signs on them now,Maelgwyn rd 170 spaces,lots of new sign post going up allover ,not sure what is going on the posts.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on September 19, 2014, 05:21:04 PM
Very strange directions for various 'attractions' one for the museum seems totally off in it's directions. It appears to point down Maelgwyn Road.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on September 19, 2014, 05:26:59 PM
I think it means parking Nem but how are tourists supposed to know that.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on September 19, 2014, 05:39:03 PM
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Very strange directions for various 'attractions' one for the museum seems totally off in it's directions. It appears to point down Maelgwyn Road.
Remembered seeing this on the recent  "Local Development Plan"......

4.5 Pedestrian Wayfinding Signs – There are a variety of pedestrian wayfinding signs
throughout the Conservation Areas with no recognisable co-ordinated approach. This leads
to street clutter and confusion for locals and visitors. Directional signage should aim
towards giving a focus to the Conservation Areas. The introduction of new wayfinding
systems must be undertaken as part of a co-ordinated approach to reduce street clutter by
removing superfluous signage. Brown tourist signs, for example, should ideally be
removed from within the Conservation Areas and replaced with heritage finger pointing
signs. Historic finger pointing signs and other historic signage should be retained.
Maintenance of the new navigation systems is also essential to prevent vandalism and
ensure their usefulness in the long term.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on September 20, 2014, 08:28:01 AM
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I think it means parking Nem but how are tourists supposed to know that.

Exactly Wrex and by the amount of sign poles left to fill I dread to think how many there are going to be-- and they are huge sign poles !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on November 04, 2014, 10:53:33 AM
Deganwy Quay Hotel sold five months after going on market for £7m

The hotel and spa, which employs around 110 staff in the summer months, went on the market after administrators were called in to its holding company.
The 74 bedroom hotel itself did not enter administration and continued to operate and is on course to enjoy its most successful year since it was opened in 2006.
Now a deal has been done with investors Inspire Ltd.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/deganwy-quay-hotel-sold-five-8041323 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/deganwy-quay-hotel-sold-five-8041323)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on November 05, 2014, 10:23:23 AM
Llandudno budget hotel faces opening delay

A NEW budget hotel for Llandudno has caused panic for festive visitors with news that its opening date is being delayed.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/140329/llandudno-budget-hotel-faces-opening-delay.apxs (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/140329/llandudno-budget-hotel-faces-opening-delay.apxs)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on November 05, 2014, 10:27:20 AM
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Llandudno budget hotel faces opening delay

A NEW budget hotel for Llandudno has caused panic for festive visitors with news that its opening date is being delayed.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/140329/llandudno-budget-hotel-faces-opening-delay.apxs (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/140329/llandudno-budget-hotel-faces-opening-delay.apxs)
I love the comment from Cllr Haworth:

“I walk past the building every day and I am confident that it is going to become a prominent feature on the Promenade once it finally opens.”

 :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on November 05, 2014, 10:40:17 AM
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Llandudno budget hotel faces opening delay
A NEW budget hotel for Llandudno has caused panic for festive visitors with news that its opening date is being delayed.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/140329/llandudno-budget-hotel-faces-opening-delay.apxs (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/140329/llandudno-budget-hotel-faces-opening-delay.apxs)
I love the comment from Cllr Haworth:
“I walk past the building every day and I am confident that it is going to become a prominent feature on the Promenade once it finally opens.”
 :laugh:  :laugh:

Llandudno street maps available from the library .....THATS ON MOSTYN STREET...... :twoface:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on December 15, 2014, 06:30:41 PM
I haven't had it confirmed yet but it's just possible the Headlands Hotel has sold.  ££$ and Bon Voyage Ray.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: andrea1976 on January 02, 2015, 08:28:03 PM
hi everyone happy new year.has anyone heard anymore on when the clarence is due to open. ;D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on January 03, 2015, 12:04:57 AM
Hi Andrea.... long time no hear!

It looks like The Clarence is very close now,  if they are taking bookings for March, I reckon they will be honoured.

They have made great strides in recent weeks, you can see the light fittings up in each room, and they have started on all the cosmetic plastering and rendering on the front elevation.

It won't be long now!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 03, 2015, 08:42:38 AM
Most of the main building contractors have finished now, but they are still having problems with the ingress of water in the basement. Don't think that will ever be solved !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on January 03, 2015, 12:27:21 PM

I find it very peculiar that the Clarence is listed on TripAdvisor already.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190724-d7133844-Reviews-Travelodge_Llandudno_Clarence-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html  (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190724-d7133844-Reviews-Travelodge_Llandudno_Clarence-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 03, 2015, 01:14:04 PM
Mmmmm....... I had noticed that too. Someone jumped the gun !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: andrea1976 on January 04, 2015, 02:05:05 PM
thanks guys,we are down for feb half term for the week .....cant wait  :D  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on January 04, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
I'm sure that someone from the forum had  booked rooms at the Clarence for December but obviously the place wasn't open.  When I last looked at the link Blongb posted they weren't taking any bookings for 2015 so perhaps they are making sure that it will be open before they take the bookings.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 04, 2015, 06:19:26 PM
If you try the link that blongb found for us you will find that it is listed as sold out for Jan, Feb and March. :o *&(
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on January 04, 2015, 10:32:12 PM
It seems like it's sold out until November 2015 too but I don't think that that's correct, it's possible that it might have to look like that until they know for definite that the hotel will be able to take real bookings.      ???
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 04, 2015, 11:07:38 PM
That certainly makes sense.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 05, 2015, 09:13:24 AM
The gang of workmen from Anglesey who were laid off before Christmas are back this morning. My OH asked them why they were back and the mysterious reply was " Ah well, we got the call".
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: andrea1976 on January 05, 2015, 01:47:31 PM
ive got an email back off travelodge and they say they are hoping to be open by the end of feb.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on January 05, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
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ive got an email back off travelodge and they say they are hoping to be open by the end of feb.

Have you been able to book then Andrea?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on January 06, 2015, 09:18:54 AM
Llandudno hotel for the blind sold to private hotelier

Published date: 05 January 2015
Published by: Dean Jones

 
A LLANDUDNO hotel for blind and partially sighted people has been sold.

The Belmont Hotel on North Parade closed its doors for the final time this weekend after The Royal Blind Society citied long-term falling demand and financial pressure after putting it up for sale in May, 2014.

It has now been sold to a private hotelier who will refurbish the site before reopening as a commercial hotel.

Eileen Harding, chief executive for the Royal Blind Society, said: “We tried to keep the hotel open as a specialist hotel for as long as possible but the sad fact is that only 10 per cent of our rooms are used and we are unable to afford the on-going costs.

“We hope that the new owners will do justice to this beautiful hotel, which holds many happy memories.”

The Belmont Hotel, with 27 bedrooms. has been providing holidays to blind and partially sighted people since 2002 and the venue was the last specialist hotel of its kind in the UK.

Money from the sale will be used to provide more support for blind and partially sighted children, young people and their families across the country.

Details of the purchase price were not disclosed.

http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/142643/llandudno-hotel-for-the-blind-sold-to-private-hotelier.aspx (http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/142643/llandudno-hotel-for-the-blind-sold-to-private-hotelier.aspx)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mr Tunnock on January 06, 2015, 10:15:44 AM
I can't help but think that Travelodge and Premier inn will help bring in more people to the town.
It will be inevitable that some of the small guest houses will loose out as with a national brand as  what you see on the label is what in the main you will get.
Some of the guest houses in all of the major tourist spots are somewhat dated and like staying in a persons front room, fine for the older generation but not really what the younger couples and young families want.

 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 06, 2015, 11:30:37 AM
 &shake&
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: andrea1976 on January 06, 2015, 02:21:06 PM
After getting my email i went online and yes you can book,i was looking for some dates in the easter holidays.  :) We always stay at belle vue holiday apartments feb,may,august and october so its going to be very handy for us if we want just afew days .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 07, 2015, 09:57:23 AM
The latest from the workforce at the Clarence, this morning is that they have been told to remove and replace the architraves from all 82 bedroom doors as there is too bigger gap there. I'm beginning to wonder just who is behind all this !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 07, 2015, 10:09:04 AM
Snagging?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on January 07, 2015, 10:55:10 AM
Increased risk of any fire spreading.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Jack on January 07, 2015, 03:01:52 PM
Surely the door frames have intumescent strips fitted as standard?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Yorkie on January 07, 2015, 05:50:16 PM
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Surely the door frames have intumescent strips fitted as standard?

Don't know!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 08, 2015, 12:09:03 PM
Something to do with the gap left at the bottom and the fact that the cleaners would have to insert the nozzle of the vac. into the space. :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on January 13, 2015, 03:39:36 PM
Real progress.....  the scaffolding is rapidly being taken down on The Clarence.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on January 14, 2015, 10:13:34 AM
They've transformed the building, and the work is to a very high standard. The restored iron canopy along the frontage looks great too.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 14, 2015, 12:01:55 PM
Even more scaffolding down this morning---looking good !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on January 14, 2015, 03:13:05 PM
no chance of Arvon Ave scaffold coming down,unless they don;t paint it.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 15, 2015, 11:41:26 AM
Inside of the Regency Royal alive with workmen this morning-all the front fenced off as well.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on January 15, 2015, 02:39:49 PM
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Inside of the Regency Royal alive with workmen this morning-all the front fenced off as well.
It's to reopen as the Llandudno Bay Hotel, after a complete refurbishment.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 16, 2015, 09:10:10 AM
Only having been there once to a meeting a refurb sounds good ! Didn't touch anything on the buffet provided, so I will leave it to your imagination !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on January 18, 2015, 01:51:43 PM
The Alexandra Hotel, (Bless it), had a makeover, and the benefit of TV expert Alex Polizzi to turn the business around.

One of the key tasks the owner had to tackle, was to refrain from ranting 'Basil Fawlty' style at any negative reviews he received on Trip Advisor.   I watched the documentary again today, and it seemed like that issue had been resolved.

However, I then clicked on TA, and it seems that he is back up to his old tricks again...take a look here,  hilarious.  :laugh: :laugh:
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190724-d1656712-Reviews-The_Alexandra_Hotel-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190724-d1656712-Reviews-The_Alexandra_Hotel-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on January 18, 2015, 03:20:54 PM
 _))* _))* _))*

Wonderful!  Couldn't have been written better by John Cleese!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 18, 2015, 09:39:27 PM
Excellent customer relations !! :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mr Tunnock on January 19, 2015, 05:11:09 PM
The people who own the Lauriston Court and the other similar sounding one have now according to an estate agent purchased the hotel in the middle called I think the Wellington!
They must be doing something right!
Well done and good luck with the new venture.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Meleri on January 19, 2015, 05:30:47 PM
I must disagree with you there Mr Tunnock they aren't doing something right at all. May I suggest you look at the last comment on The Wellington Hotel on trip advisor. The young couple running the hotel (very successfully I might add and have won several awards)have lost their home and livelihood.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mr Tunnock on January 19, 2015, 06:38:10 PM
Surely it's not the fault of the Lauriston Court, all they have done is buy a hotel that was on the open market for sale?
I meant that the owners of the Lauriston Court must be doing something right to be able to purchase a third hotel so soon.
I'm sorry if any offence has been caused, that was not my intention.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on January 20, 2015, 12:17:57 AM
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I must disagree with you there Mr Tunnock they aren't doing something right at all. May I suggest you look at the last comment on The Wellington Hotel on trip advisor. The young couple running the hotel (very successfully I might add and have won several awards)have lost their home and livelihood.

What's the story here Meleri?   (seeing as the thread has 'gossip' in it's title)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 20, 2015, 09:13:45 AM
Yes. Please enlighten us Meleri
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Meleri on January 20, 2015, 02:26:51 PM
No gossip Fester!

Some friends of mine have stayed several times at the Wellington over the past few years. On every stay they noticed more and more improvements and the comments on Trip Advisor would get better. Nothing was too much trouble for the young couple running it and they built an excellent reputation as a family run business.
You are quite right Mr Tunnock in saying it's not the fault of the Lauriston Court owners, as they are expanding their business. The point I was trying to make was at what cost, a sad case of one man's loss is another man's gain. At the end of the day money talks.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: hollins on January 21, 2015, 06:47:07 AM
Some good publicity in this article for the Lawton Court.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/11357715/Best-value-hotel-in-the-world-Its-in-Wales.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/11357715/Best-value-hotel-in-the-world-Its-in-Wales.html)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on January 21, 2015, 08:37:29 AM
Had a walk past the Clarence Hotel yesterday and noticed that, whilst the upper floors are looking good, no work whatsoever has been carried out on the ground floor frontage apart from the restored verandah.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 21, 2015, 10:38:29 AM
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Had a walk past the Clarence Hotel yesterday and noticed that, whilst the upper floors are looking good, no work whatsoever has been carried out on the ground floor frontage apart from the restored verandah.

We also noticed this. The front is going to have to be tidied before it can open. Were the brick archways there before, does any one remember, they would have been inside what was the café?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Cambrian on January 21, 2015, 02:23:09 PM
Some good news.  There's very complimentary news items in today's "Daily Telegraph" and "Independent" about the Lawton Court Hotel (North Parade) having secured first place in Trip Advisor's World Top 10 Bargain Hotels category.  Well done to the new owners, Scott and Hannah.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mr Tunnock on January 21, 2015, 04:33:52 PM
Perhaps the owner wanted to sell, no moral dilemma in that decision surely?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on January 21, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
They are not doing anything with the two downstairs units Nem,not until they get a tennant so the bottom is going to go on the eyesore list until the Jewish owners find a tennant or tennants for the two units.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Greyhound on January 21, 2015, 05:10:17 PM
Do you have to emphasise their religion? Would you have put 'Christian owners' had they been so, or 'black' or 'Asian' had they been of another race? Are you inferring something by saying that Wrex?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 21, 2015, 06:40:14 PM
Eyesore? Definitely, but they will have to make some kind of a way into the place at the front, or everyone will be wading in mud !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on January 22, 2015, 12:29:57 AM
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Had a walk past the Clarence Hotel yesterday and noticed that, whilst the upper floors are looking good, no work whatsoever has been carried out on the ground floor frontage apart from the restored verandah.

We also noticed this. The front is going to have to be tidied before it can open. Were the brick archways there before, does any one remember, they would have been inside what was the café?

The brick archways look like an original (and integral) part of the building, and will have been previously concealed by the plasterwork.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 22, 2015, 08:58:17 AM
Yes Fes. that's what we thought--they mustn't be finished......or are they ??
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on January 22, 2015, 08:59:11 AM
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Yes Fes. that's what we thought--they mustn't be finished......or are they ??
Maybe they are going to just board over the two retail/restaurant units until tenants are signed up, in order to save a few quid?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on January 22, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
That'll look welcoming if people have booked, having to pass through 2 boarded up areas !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on January 22, 2015, 11:30:37 AM
As far as i know there will be a door in the middle with stairs and a lift to 1st floor reception,thats the norm 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Jack on January 22, 2015, 04:59:50 PM
There is a door on the side too, on Bodhyfryd Road - is that the entrance or an emergency exit?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mikethewatch on January 22, 2015, 05:12:02 PM
I think passing through  two boarded up areas is still preferable to going via Bodhyfryd road !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on January 23, 2015, 08:49:54 AM
Lots of information about the Travelodge deal here:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on January 23, 2015, 12:20:56 PM
Summarise.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mr Tunnock on January 26, 2015, 09:16:45 AM
Work is still on going at the Esplanade we noticed, so many mediocre hotels along the front with a couple of exceptions.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 01, 2015, 10:48:25 AM
Could somebody at the NWWNews phone Mostyn estates and ask what is happening with the delayed Tudno Castle hotel development,you never know we might buy it if it had some interest in the town,like CCBC they are only interested in the Bay at the moment.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2015, 12:03:39 PM
Who's we Wrex?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on February 01, 2015, 08:42:32 PM
At the risk of stating the obvious, the Bay was classified as being a rundown deprived area, so qualified for a huge range of funding and grants to help with the town’s rejuvenation. This is no bad thing, as it’s good for the area as a whole. However Llandudno is not classed as rundown or deprived, so we get very little and with the public purse being so tightly squeezed at the moment we’re not likely to get any public money in the long term either.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on February 01, 2015, 09:49:49 PM
Blongb I take it you haven't walked around our town for the last few years , bodhyfryd rd,Clifton rd maegwyn rd ,and some roads in Craig y don they were once the places to live ,sorry but what a rundown mess a lot of the houses are now .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on February 01, 2015, 10:24:48 PM
Some good examples there Norman of homes of multiple occupation,  it's happened in Colwyn Bay and Rhyl before the Bay.     Bedsit land has caused various  problems in the Bay and the Rhyl areas so I hope that Llandudno's present problems will not deteriorate any further.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 02, 2015, 06:51:43 AM
CCBC need to come down hard on rogue landlords who screw the system but invest very little back into their properties.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on February 02, 2015, 08:55:47 PM
In recent years, the Trip Advisor reviews for The Grand Hotel are little short of dire.
So, during 2014 a new Manager was installed, with a remit to rigorously improve standards.
For a while, I started to hear better reports, from some guests, and the odd member of staff.

Sadly however, the more stringent approach taken by the Manager led to him being sacked, due to allegations of bullying.

Instead, a Manager of another facility based in Prestatyn has been asked to manage both sites, from their base in Prestatyn,
There is no longer a General Manager of that massive hotel, based in the hotel.

It would appear that since then, the lunatics are now running the asylum.   &shake& &shake&

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on February 03, 2015, 08:03:30 AM
Part time job there for you on your way home. Spend a couple of hours, I bet u would shake them up
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 23, 2015, 08:53:59 PM
Travelodge website says the Clarence is bookable from April 2015.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 24, 2015, 11:47:07 AM
The Travelodge sign has gone up on the frontage this morning.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on February 24, 2015, 11:58:50 AM
The Tal y Cafn pub / hotel restoration and building appears to have stalled. They'd built up to the ground floor windows, inserted the frames and that's it;  nothing happened on the site for several months. Across the road from the hotel (Eastwards) there seems to be a new building or a big renovation taking place.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on February 24, 2015, 01:27:37 PM
I noticed that too when I went past last week and the building across the road to the Tal Y Cafn Hotel looked quite impressive.     Don't know what's causing the delay with the Hotel though.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 24, 2015, 04:43:42 PM
I worked in Dolgarrog for a few weeks and passed everyday,i have seen work men there but not often,must be like The Parade in town,no hurry.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 26, 2015, 11:10:47 AM
3 signs now on the front of the Travelodge-very tasteful.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 26, 2015, 05:11:04 PM
unlike the two boarded up units
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 26, 2015, 05:34:53 PM
And the water still flowing through the basement ! :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 26, 2015, 08:18:33 PM
We could be the first Travelodge with a pool.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 26, 2015, 09:44:45 PM
People could come and take the waters !
Title: Clarence Hotel
Post by: Nigel on March 02, 2015, 10:45:59 AM
Hi,
Could anyone tell me when the Clarence is opening please? There is no information on their website?
Many thanks in anticipation
Nigel
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on March 31, 2015, 10:33:34 AM
Can anyone throw any light on what is happening at 'The Grand Ash' please. Since the big skip at the front went nothing seems to have moved.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mr Tunnock on March 31, 2015, 01:09:43 PM
Closed for good under the old management, it was being put up for sale somewhere.
If they had not sold it they said they may open while a buyer was found, presume from your post that has not happend. 
That is what the manager's wife told my wife.
He was made redundant sadly. 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on April 04, 2015, 07:40:34 AM
How is the town coping with the influx of cars parking for the Travelodge.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on April 04, 2015, 08:52:29 AM
Loads of people in the foyer waiting to book in ,and walking from maegwyn rd car park with their cases yesterday .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on April 04, 2015, 09:54:34 AM
I understand the Travelodge is fully booked for Easter.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Karen and Derek on April 04, 2015, 11:49:46 AM
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Loads of people in the foyer waiting to book in ,and walking from maegwyn rd car park with their cases yesterday .

You would think they would lay on a shuttle bus from the car park to the hotel.

Derek.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on April 04, 2015, 12:29:56 PM
Should have a shuttle bus to Conwy where all the decent pubs are
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Post by: Bri Roberts on April 04, 2015, 02:00:08 PM
Apparently, there is a Co-op going in one side of the new Travelodge and a restaurant in the other.
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Post by: wrex on April 04, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
Why would they leave it till the hotel opens to get more builders in,madness
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Post by: Nemesis on April 04, 2015, 04:45:25 PM
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How is the town coping with the influx of cars parking for the Travelodge.

Terrible------------cars everywhere !
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Post by: DaveR on April 04, 2015, 04:51:10 PM
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Terrible------------cars everywhere !
Normal day in Llandudno then?  :laugh:
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Post by: wrex on April 04, 2015, 04:55:50 PM
Have you been away DaveR,you seem to have been very quit of late,we need you finding out how has Broadway and all these shops,come on DaveR.
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Post by: Fester on April 04, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
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Should have a shuttle bus to Conwy where all the decent pubs are

Oh, I don't know Wrex, it was nice to see you and Mrs Wrex in a very nice pub in Llandudno tonight!   Z** ZXZ
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Post by: wrex on April 05, 2015, 07:32:29 AM
Just need that one place where everybody wants to drink,not eat.
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Post by: Ian on April 05, 2015, 08:23:39 AM
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I understand the Travelodge is fully booked for Easter.

Travelodge need to sort out their website for the new place.  These are the most glaring anomalies:

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Parade down Llandudno Pier for some fun in the sun or take a scenic stroll down to Llandudno Beach, just a mile away from the comfort of your hotel.

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Travelodge Llandudno is only half a mile from Llandudno Junction Railway Station

The first error - particularly - is unbelievably daft, since beach proximity was always the selling point of the Clarence in days gone by.  Do they not think of getting the blurbs checked over by local folk?

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Post by: Ian on April 05, 2015, 08:53:44 AM
I've contacted their corporate office to let them know. but here's the proof if they're very quick about changing it:

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Post by: Nemesis on April 05, 2015, 08:59:45 AM
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Terrible------------cars everywhere !
Normal day in Llandudno then?  :laugh:

More or less Dave, same cars going round and round chasing spaces, then parking on corners, pavements and double yellow lines. Last week we even had a huge coach parked immediately below a no coaches sign.
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Post by: Gwynant on April 05, 2015, 09:21:36 AM


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           The only way Liverpool Airport is under 50 miles away from Llandudno is if you are travelling by plane already! More like 65 miles away, or 40 "as the crow flies."
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Post by: Ian on April 05, 2015, 11:34:38 AM
67.1 miles according to Google Maps.
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Post by: Bri Roberts on April 05, 2015, 02:11:04 PM
I have a couple of observations to make about the new Travelodge after my recent visit.

Firstly, there is a trip hazard greeting guests when they walk out of the front door with a grey slate step about four foot from the front door.

Secondly, somebody has done a fantastic job with the paving slabs out on the pavement. It would be wonderful if the same people could return and do a similar job throughout Mostyn Street.

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Post by: ormegolf on April 05, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Hello nemesis not surprised at coach being parked immediately under a no coaches sign. To my knowledge Llandudno and Conwy are the only two places in the uk that get away with this blanket ba n without any yellow lines or anything. Even London does ent go that far. Mike
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Post by: Fester on April 05, 2015, 10:21:51 PM
It seems to me that the Travelodge Website ignores the fact that Llandudno Railway Station is half a mile away, and they have confused it with The Junction.   Still a stupid mistake though.
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Post by: SDQ on April 06, 2015, 06:23:19 AM
I wonder if it meant to say the beach is half a mile away & the railway station a mile away.
As far as confusing Llandudno & Llandudno Junction stations, that happens all the time, even within the railway.
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Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2015, 09:24:56 PM
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Secondly, somebody has done a fantastic job with the paving slabs out on the pavement. It would be wonderful if the same people could return and do a similar job throughout Mostyn Street.
I understand money has been allocated in CCBC's Capital Programme to refurbish the pavements along Mostyn St.

Now they just need to bring the original Victorian street lamps back into use and we will be getting somewhere.
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Post by: Hugo on April 06, 2015, 10:48:29 PM
At least with the Victorian street lamps CCBC will only have to fund half the price of the street lights as we know that Edward Hiller on behalf of Mostyn Estates has agreed to match pound for pound the money needed to buy these lights.        :o
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Post by: Fester on April 07, 2015, 11:30:14 PM
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Secondly, somebody has done a fantastic job with the paving slabs out on the pavement. It would be wonderful if the same people could return and do a similar job throughout Mostyn Street.
I understand money has been allocated in CCBC's Capital Programme to refurbish the pavements along Mostyn St.

Now they just need to bring the original Victorian street lamps back into use and we will be getting somewhere.

I can see it now, they will choose to do the work either during the May Extravaganza, or August Bank Holiday.
Thus causing additional CHAOS!!    :-X :-X
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Post by: systema on April 08, 2015, 08:32:49 AM
I emailed the Press Office Travelodge on Monday morning telling them of the mistakes and received a reply today to say they have changed it and just checked and they have. 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on April 09, 2015, 10:50:30 AM
Workmen back on the scene today at the Clarence installing more pumps in the basement and shoring the building up where it has started to shift !
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Post by: Fester on April 09, 2015, 11:09:43 AM
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Workmen back on the scene today at the Clarence installing more pumps in the basement and shoring the building up where it has started to shift !

 :o :o
I thought it didn't look very hospitable when I passed by today, lots of 'workmen', some sitting in chairs outside, getting a sun tan!
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Post by: DaveR on April 10, 2015, 11:42:28 AM
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Workmen back on the scene today at the Clarence installing more pumps in the basement and shoring the building up where it has started to shift !
I wonder if the water problem is anything to do with the Ffynnon Tyn Y Pwll well that is underneath the Seilo Chapel across the road?

http://www.greatorme.org.uk/wells.html (http://www.greatorme.org.uk/wells.html)
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Post by: Nemesis on April 10, 2015, 11:50:12 AM
According to my OH's source of info there was a pump under the Clarence, but the contractors removed it ! :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on April 22, 2015, 08:33:52 PM
Now here is a puzzle. Almost as it opened the Clarence put a temporary barrier slap in front of the front entrance. According to a contractor someone came out of the front door and had a bad fall down the steps. The barrier is still there because the powers that be can't agree how to solve the problem of the steps. A handrail seems the most sensible idea, but the barrier has been there since Easter, so I'm not expecting a rapid solution.
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Post by: ormegolf on April 22, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
  What an unfortunate start to the rebuilt Clarence. And to think St Pauls Cathedral has had many, many similar steps and presumably no problems
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Post by: Bri Roberts on April 22, 2015, 09:06:21 PM
Staff at the new Travelodge obviously do not read our forum.  &shake&


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I have a couple of observations to make about the new Travelodge after my recent visit.

Firstly, there is a trip hazard greeting guests when they walk out of the front door with a grey slate step about four foot from the front door.

Secondly, somebody has done a fantastic job with the paving slabs out on the pavement. It would be wonderful if the same people could return and do a similar job throughout Mostyn Street.
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Post by: DaveR on April 23, 2015, 09:50:55 AM
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Now here is a puzzle. Almost as it opened the Clarence put a temporary barrier slap in front of the front entrance. According to a contractor someone came out of the front door and had a bad fall down the steps. The barrier is still there because the powers that be can't agree how to solve the problem of the steps. A handrail seems the most sensible idea, but the barrier has been there since Easter, so I'm not expecting a rapid solution.
I'm surprised they were allowed to use that grey paving without high visibility strips on all the edges.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 13, 2015, 11:52:21 AM
Revamped Llandudno hotel now taking bookings ahead of June opening
Published date: 12 May 2015 | Published by: Dean Jones

A REVAMPED Llandudno hotel is now taking bookings.

Work on the former Regency Royal Hotel on East Parade is now in its final stages with a view to opening in late June.

Once open, the re-named Llandudno Bay Hotel will generate 100 full and part-time jobs for the area.

Chris Evans, general manager at Llandudno Bay Hotel said: “It is fantastic to see everything coming together.

“It’s very exciting to be bringing something new, chic and elegant to the Llandudno Promenade.

"We have exceptionally high hopes for the Llandudno Bay Hotel, and in the final weeks until we welcome our first guests, we are concentrating on getting everything tip-top.”

The redevelopment program has seen the building transformed into a 61-bedroom, boutique style hotel, with a 90 cover restaurant, bar and lounges with function space for over 150 people.

Furnishing the hotel will be the final stage of the process, with team training to be given following completion before the opening.

Mr Evans added that their recruitment drive had gone well but there are still some roles at the hotel that need to be filled before the opening.

Cllr Frank Bradfield, deputy mayor of Llandudno, said: “I have been watching this development with interest and it is fantastic news that there is continued investment in the town.

“The news owners seem to be enthusiastic about the project and it has progressed well over a relative short space of time, which is very pleasing.

“I feel this will be a wonderful addition to the town and the news that is set to contribute significantly to jobs in the area is extremely welcome.”

To make a reservation call 01492 874648 or visit www.llandudnobayhotel.com (http://www.llandudnobayhotel.com).

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/147862/revamped-llandudno-hotel-now-taking-bookings-ahead-of-june-opening.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/147862/revamped-llandudno-hotel-now-taking-bookings-ahead-of-june-opening.aspx)
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Post by: Nemesis on May 13, 2015, 01:21:05 PM
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Now here is a puzzle. Almost as it opened the Clarence put a temporary barrier slap in front of the front entrance. According to a contractor someone came out of the front door and had a bad fall down the steps. The barrier is still there because the powers that be can't agree how to solve the problem of the steps. A handrail seems the most sensible idea, but the barrier has been there since Easter, so I'm not expecting a rapid solution.

Yesterday a couple of rows of troughs with little trees in appeared where the barriers were  :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: systema on May 15, 2015, 07:43:40 PM
When I went past a couple of days ago the Mayor was cutting a red ribbon surrounded by the staff. I was given a glass of fiz as I was passing.   ;)

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on May 19, 2015, 06:15:35 PM
What do you think is the problem with the Royal in Church Walks is,nice grounds ,pub attached,weddings
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Post by: ormegolf on May 19, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
   In its previous existence, admittedly around six or seven years ago, it had one VERY big thing against it. Well --- not a thing, a person. Female. I don't suppose I had better go any further for fear of ending up in court for defamation or something. But she was a shocker
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Post by: DaveR on May 20, 2015, 09:06:13 AM
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What do you think is the problem with the Royal in Church Walks is,nice grounds ,pub attached,weddings
A great location, but the building is in a shocking state. Would need a phenomenal amount of money spending to get it up to a decent standard.
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Post by: Nemesis on May 20, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
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   In its previous existence, admittedly around six or seven years ago, it had one VERY big thing against it. Well --- not a thing, a person. Female. I don't suppose I had better go any further for fear of ending up in court for defamation or something. But she was a shocker

So were her dogs...................................!
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Post by: ormegolf on May 21, 2015, 07:13:53 PM
So she was"ent joking when she said "I'll set the dogs on you"
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on May 29, 2015, 11:11:38 AM
I heard that there will be no start on the Tudno Castle until more tennants are signed up,which of course makes sense,especially when you look at the empty units below the Travelodge,so they will keep on putting the start date back until then.
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Post by: Nemesis on May 29, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Looks as though it will fall down before then !
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Post by: SteveH on May 29, 2015, 11:37:48 AM
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Looks as though it will fall down before then !

That could be the plan...... &shake&
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Post by: Nemesis on May 29, 2015, 03:28:15 PM
Mmmmm could think of other buildings that this happened to !
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Post by: Fester on June 10, 2015, 05:28:56 PM
St Tudno has new owners,   I was wondering why the menu had changed so dramatically recently.
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Post by: Nemesis on June 10, 2015, 09:34:54 PM
Again? or is this the same people that Mr Bland sold to ?
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Post by: Fester on June 10, 2015, 09:39:54 PM
I didn't know he ever sold it.
I went in for a meal last year (he was there), I went in for a meal in April this year, the menu was identical.

Now, it's changed... and I was told that it was due to the new owners.
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Post by: DaveR on June 11, 2015, 08:30:00 AM
New owners took over about 6 weeks ago.

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/146935/historic-llandudno-hotel-has-new-owners.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/146935/historic-llandudno-hotel-has-new-owners.aspx)
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Post by: llandudnotrust on June 11, 2015, 12:34:01 PM
Just seen an employee of a large local land owner at the back of The Royal Hotel !!!!
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Post by: Fester on June 11, 2015, 12:41:29 PM
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Just seen an employee of a large local land owner at the back of The Royal Hotel !!!!

Hmm, well, I hope he doesn't move my car... I'm parked there today!  ?{}?
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Post by: DaveR on June 11, 2015, 12:50:58 PM
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Just seen an employee of a large local land owner at the back of The Royal Hotel !!!!
Did he have a beard, by any chance?  ?{}?
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Post by: Nemesis on June 11, 2015, 04:28:56 PM
 The grass (Waist high) was all cut earlier in the week. Took them a whole day with an industrial strimmer.

Think I saw a new sign there today about cars being clamped-------------or have I missed it before?
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Post by: Fester on June 11, 2015, 05:02:33 PM
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The grass (Waist high) was all cut earlier in the week. Took them a whole day with an industrial strimmer.

Think I saw a new sign there today about cars being clamped-------------or have I missed it before?

It was there before, but one of these days.... they will mean it!   
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Post by: llandudnotrust on June 11, 2015, 06:57:22 PM
Beard ... he did
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Post by: DaveR on June 12, 2015, 08:56:16 AM
The Royal Hotel is held on a long lease from Mostyn Estates, so perhaps they are planning to do a  'Tudno Castle' on it?
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Post by: Nemesis on June 12, 2015, 09:33:49 AM
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The Royal Hotel is held on a long lease from Mostyn Estates, so perhaps they are planning to do a  'Tudno Castle' on it?

Wait till it falls down you mean?    :o
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Post by: wrex on June 12, 2015, 04:03:28 PM
 $good$ nothing happening at Tudno Castle Dave
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Post by: wrex on June 12, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
I think Prezzo may have pulled out of the Tudno Castle project hence the development put on hold.
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Post by: ormegolf on June 12, 2015, 06:06:41 PM
  Who is Preszzo? Are you referring to the honourable member for Parliament John Prescott the noted Rhyl pugilistic? 
P.S.My spelling is as bad as his pronounciation
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on June 26, 2015, 12:38:46 PM
As one of the biggest critics of the decrepit Grand Hotel, I was very pleased to see a group of workmen on site this week.

They are from 'Crown', a company who specialise in high rise projects, steeplejacks etc.
I was chatting to the lads on Tuesday, and they are here to fix the roof and other 'difficult to access' areas, and they plan to be here for a couple of months at least.
I asked them about parking for their vans.  They said that the hotel had done nothing to help in that respect, but that they had consulted the traffic warden, who realised that they were here to work and they thought they would be OK.

So, of course as I walked past last night, ALL their vehicles had been issued a fixed penalty notice!!

They are here to work, to improve an eyesore in the town.... and they have immediately been punished by our local authority.
They cannot park far away, as they need safety equipment, tools etc, all the time.
I spoke to the lads last night, they were angry.... as their company won't pay the fines, and they didn't really know what can be done to resolve it.  Such a shame, and a lack of common sense.
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Post by: norman08 on June 26, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
This ccbc will do all they can to piss people off ,what with the traffic wardens and them litter wardens .
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Post by: Ian on June 27, 2015, 08:39:20 AM
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I spoke to the lads last night, they were angry.... as their company won't pay the fines, and they didn't really know what can be done to resolve it.

They can - and should - appeal the fines (most are cancelled) but I wonder when Crown were appraising the job whether they thought to contact CCBC ahead of commencement to negotiate parking for their vehicles? The wardens would simply be doing their job, so it's up to CCBC to alert them, but if no one has officially approached CCBC then obviously the workers are going to pay the penalty. It's a shame, because with just a little forethought this could all have been avoided.

If the workers are directly employed by Crown then one solution is for them to find the nearest safe parking, then operate from there, carrying all their tools while simultaneously alerting Crown that the job will obviously take a lot longer until things are sorted.
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Post by: norman08 on June 27, 2015, 09:17:08 AM
 _))* _))*  Ian have you worked on that kind of job lugging all the safety gear and tools , I have by the way , having watched some of the wardens they are sly  and part of their interview is to make sure they don,t use common sense , the guy came to price the job on the hotel  right or wrong he didn,t notice the stupid parking situation ,what gets me ref parking all along round the pier /grand how many disabled badges parked there baffles me with it being out of the way hilly walking .
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Post by: Ian on June 27, 2015, 10:23:46 AM
I agree, Norman. The point I was making is that the only way round the current situation is to hit Crown in the pocket. Once the company realises that job (for which they've presumably quoted a fixed figure) is going to cost them a lot more then they might be moved to sort things out. If the workers are self-employed however, it's different.
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Post by: Bosun on June 30, 2015, 08:34:44 AM
Ian, can I respectfully enquire if you are related to Jim Lloyd, father of Alister Lloyd and father-in-law to Shula?..........

 _))*
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Post by: Ian on June 30, 2015, 12:26:04 PM
Nope.  Never heard of any of them.
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Post by: Bosun on June 30, 2015, 12:46:58 PM
So you don't drive a Riley and are not friends with Joe Grundy then?
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Post by: Ian on June 30, 2015, 03:35:23 PM
ER...no....

What's a Riley?
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Post by: snowcap on June 30, 2015, 11:17:37 PM
Riley Pathfinder one of the nicest cars ever built,had the pleasure of riding in one from Wrexam to Blackrock sands in the early 60s,what a drive,
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Post by: Nemesis on July 01, 2015, 10:01:07 AM
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ER...no....

What's a Riley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Motor
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Post by: Ian on July 01, 2015, 10:06:45 AM
Thank you, folks;  another mystery solved.
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Post by: SteveH on July 03, 2015, 02:25:34 PM
A REVAMPED Llandudno hotel will officially open next week.

After a multi-million pound redevelopment, the now named Llandudno Bay Hotel and Spa will open its doors at a special event on Friday, July 10.
The 61-bedroom Grade II listed building, formerly known as the Regency Royal Hotel, was purchased last December and will create 100 jobs.

Chris Evans, general manager at Llandudno Bay Hotel said: “The speed in which the work has been completed on this grand building has been astonishing; especially with the high quality achieved.
“We have had a lot of interest from locals, who are excited to have a new venue at which to meet and socialise with friends, family and colleagues, and to show-off to visitors to Llandudno.
“We are very excited that the hotel is opening and look forward to welcoming guests.”

The redevelopment has seen the building transformed into a 61-bedroom, boutique style hotel, with a 90 cover restaurant, bar and lounges with function space for over 150 people.

Cllr Frank Bradfield, mayor of Llandudno, said: “I have been watching this development with interest and it is fantastic news that there is continued investment in the town.

“The new owners seem to be enthusiastic about the project and it has progressed well over a relative short space of time, which is very pleasing.
“I feel this will be a wonderful addition to the town and it is set to contribute significantly to jobs in the area is extremely welcome.”
Another hotel owned by MBi Developments, the Belmont Hotel, will open later in the year and the firm recently purchased the former Grand Theatre site on Mostyn Broadway for £140,000.

To make a reservation call 01492 874648 or visit www.llandudnobayhotel.com (http://www.llandudnobayhotel.com).
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Post by: FatAndy on July 03, 2015, 03:15:38 PM
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I spoke to the lads last night, they were angry.... as their company won't pay the fines, and they didn't really know what can be done to resolve it.

They can - and should - appeal the fines (most are cancelled) but I wonder when Crown were appraising the job whether they thought to contact CCBC ahead of commencement to negotiate parking for their vehicles? The wardens would simply be doing their job, so it's up to CCBC to alert them, but if no one has officially approached CCBC then obviously the workers are going to pay the penalty. It's a shame, because with just a little forethought this could all have been avoided.

If the workers are directly employed by Crown then one solution is for them to find the nearest safe parking, then operate from there, carrying all their tools while simultaneously alerting Crown that the job will obviously take a lot longer until things are sorted.

You can't allow common sense to come in the way of any tenuous excuse to blame the council.  Surely the obvious solution would have been to drop off whatever equipment they needed (which they've got ninety minutes to do) and then move the vans?  I can't imagine it's the first time this company have worked in an area like this so what have they done in the past?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on July 03, 2015, 03:32:38 PM
Andy.... this is LLANDUDNO!!   Where are they supposed to move the vans to????
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on July 03, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
And no doubt that's your line of work Andy , can just hear one of the lads ,oh silly me I have forgotten something it's ok the van is only parked a few miles away ,see you later .
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Post by: FatAndy on July 03, 2015, 04:11:13 PM
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Andy.... this is LLANDUDNO!!   Where are they supposed to move the vans to????

The same place everyone else who works in Llandudno has to.....i.e. wherever they can find a space.  I worked in Llandudno town centre for more than six years and never expected a space right outside the office.  Sometimes I had to park quite a way off and walk back, and sometimes I realised I'd left something in the car and had to walk all the way back to the car to get it.  Such is the nature of life. 

I can't see what's so special about these people that they should be treated any differently to anyone else.  I'm sure there must be people who work in The Grand who have to drive into work so perhaps they can ask them for advice?  Or otherwise park on the Happy Valley car park and pay £4?
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Post by: Fester on July 03, 2015, 04:15:30 PM
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Andy.... this is LLANDUDNO!!   Where are they supposed to move the vans to????

The same place everyone else who works in Llandudno has to.....i.e. wherever they can find a space.  I worked in Llandudno town centre for more than six years and never expected a space right outside the office.  Sometimes I had to park quite a way off and walk back, and sometimes I realised I'd left something in the car and had to walk all the way back to the car to get it.  Such is the nature of life. 

I can't see what's so special about these people that they should be treated any differently to anyone else.  I'm sure there must be people who work in The Grand who have to drive into work so perhaps they can ask them for advice?  Or otherwise park on the Happy Valley car park and pay £4?

Andy, the original point has been missed.
These people are somewhat special, because they are a specialised team of 'high risk' contractors, brought in to do something about that eyesore, The Grand Hotel.
I have lost count of how many people moan about it's dilapidated state, and rather than being the icon it used to be, it is now more of a blight on the town.
So, at long last something is being done about it..... and immediately CCBC conspire to put obstacles in the way.


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Post by: FatAndy on July 03, 2015, 04:16:01 PM
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And no doubt that's your line of work Andy , can just hear one of the lads ,oh silly me I have forgotten something it's ok the van is only parked a few miles away ,see you later .

Why would they have to park "a few miles away"?  The car park on Gloddaeth Street is only a couple of minutes walk away (for me at least but maybe these poor souls all have mobility issues and are wheelchair bound or on crutches  8)).
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Post by: FatAndy on July 03, 2015, 04:25:13 PM
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Andy.... this is LLANDUDNO!!   Where are they supposed to move the vans to????

The same place everyone else who works in Llandudno has to.....i.e. wherever they can find a space.  I worked in Llandudno town centre for more than six years and never expected a space right outside the office.  Sometimes I had to park quite a way off and walk back, and sometimes I realised I'd left something in the car and had to walk all the way back to the car to get it.  Such is the nature of life. 

I can't see what's so special about these people that they should be treated any differently to anyone else.  I'm sure there must be people who work in The Grand who have to drive into work so perhaps they can ask them for advice?  Or otherwise park on the Happy Valley car park and pay £4?

Andy, the original point has been missed.
These people are somewhat special, because they are a specialised team of 'high risk' contractors, brought in to do something about that eyesore, The Grand Hotel.
I have lost count of how many people moan about it's dilapidated state, and rather than being the icon it used to be, it is now more of a blight on the town.
So, at long last something is being done about it..... and immediately CCBC conspire to put obstacles in the way.

You might consider them special....I don't.  But then again I have no opinion either way about the Grand Hotel, other than the fact that it's a privately owned hotel so it's in not up to CCBC, or Conwy council tax payers, to take responsibility for any repairs to it.  These people are workmen who took a gamble by parking for longer than they knew they were allowed to and lost the gamble.  CCBC haven't put obstacles in their way, they've chosen of their own free wills to break the law and been punished in exactly the same way anyone else who broke that same law would have been punished.  They could have parked in a car park like everyone would have had to.

Personally I'm happy to see CCBC are upholding the law and their wardens are doing their job properly.   Just think of all those poor tourists with pockets full of cash who couldn't find a parking space because they were all being hogged by "special" workmen and had to go and spend their cash elsewhere instead.
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Post by: norman08 on July 03, 2015, 04:26:31 PM
I think a butty or a pen is a lot lighter than the gear they have to use Andy ,as fester has pointed out common sense that s all and some jobsworths don,t have much .
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Post by: Ian on July 03, 2015, 04:38:37 PM
Crown is an interesting company:

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    One of the benefits of using our company is that we specialise in rope access techniques to carry out high level inspections, building maintenance services and repairs which is very cost effective. If the use of scaffolding is required, we use suspended scaffolding or drop scaffolding so it does not affect the daily running of the building or impose on the public highway. Using drop or suspended scaffolding is also cost effective in comparison to a tower scaffolding from ground level. 

    Crown Services are extremely proud of our accomplishments. We promote total synergy between management and our flexible, multi-skilled on-site workforce, which has proven to induce a cross fertilisation of ideas that has been invaluable on pre-start project briefings.

It sounds as though they're well used to working on buildings with tricky access requirements. And they do promote "total synergy between management and (their) flexible, multi-skilled on-site workforce..."
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Post by: Fester on July 03, 2015, 05:02:12 PM
In reality, the vans were using the 'Loading Only' area outside The Grand.
The area which coaches use to drop off / pick up passengers.

I didn't realise that Wardens had jurisdiction over those areas, but evidently they do.
Perhaps the workers were 'labouring' under the same misapprehension!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on July 03, 2015, 06:48:12 PM
I was idly browsing the 1950 holiday guide to Llandudno and was surprised to see how many hotels all occupied the 'best position' in the town. I was bemused, however, to see that many claimed to face 'South', which includes the Headlands and the Grand.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 03, 2015, 07:08:57 PM
One side of any detatched building will face south ☺ they would  otherwise be able to advertise that now!
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Post by: SteveH on July 06, 2015, 01:16:21 PM
LOOK: Take a tour of £6m Llandudno Bay Hotel

A hotel in Llandudno has reopened following a £6m refurbishment.
The Llandudno Bay Hotel - formerly the Regency Royal Hotel on the East Parade - has been revamped into a 61 bedroom chic boutique-style hotel, with a 90 cover restaurant.
There is also a champagne bar and lounges and function space for over 150.
The Daily Post took a tour of the new hotel which was opened by Spa Mbi Consulting Limited on Friday.

MORE and PHOTOS....http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/look-take-tour-6m-llandudno-9574791 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/look-take-tour-6m-llandudno-9574791)
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Post by: Blongb on July 06, 2015, 08:37:51 PM
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I was idly browsing the 1950 holiday guide to Llandudno and was surprised to see how many hotels all occupied the 'best position' in the town. I was bemused, however, to see that many claimed to face 'South', which includes the Headlands and the Grand.

We all claim to be facing South Ian, because it's basically true. Being located at this end of the North Shore (0°) due to the curve of the Bay we actually face 160° a lot closed to South than North.
During the peak trading months our Hotels bask in full frontal Sunshine from 5a.m. until 5p.m. whilst the majority of others along the Promenade are in frontal shadow by 7a.m.  8)
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Post by: Ian on July 07, 2015, 07:34:29 AM
I've always thought the North end hotels look the nicer places to stay from the sunshine perspective.
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Post by: Fester on July 10, 2015, 11:58:48 PM
Britannia Hotels have 49 hotels in the UK,  but recently two of them (Blackburn and Bolton I believe) have been given over completely to housing homeless people.
The logic being, they can't fill them with guests, and they can't sell them, so why not guarantee income from the DSS!

Now, Llandudno's very own The Grand Hotel is a Britannia Hotel, and it's Trip Advisor ratings show that it is a woeful place these days. They also need to offer mega deals such as £89 for 5 nights (out of season) to desperately attract visitors and fill rooms.

You can see where I am going with this, and all I will say is, if Britannia ever did convert The Grand to DSS occupancy, then this town is FINISHED!
Let's keep our finger's crossed it NEVER happens eh?
 ££$ ££$ ££$
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Post by: SDQ on July 11, 2015, 06:54:55 AM
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Britannia Hotels have 49 hotels in the UK,  but recently two of them (Blackburn and Bolton I believe) have been given over completely to housing homeless people.
The logic being, they can't fill them with guests, and they can't sell them, so why not guarantee income from the DSS!

Now, Llandudno's very own The Grand Hotel is a Britannia Hotel, and it's Trip Advisor ratings show that it is a woeful place these days. They also need to offer mega deals such as £89 for 5 nights (out of season) to desperately attract visitors and fill rooms.

You can see where I am going with this, and all I will say is, if Britannia ever did convert The Grand to DSS occupancy, then this town is FINISHED!
Let's keep our finger's crossed it NEVER happens eh?
 ££$ ££$ ££$


It might increase the Footfall on the pier Fes!
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Post by: Ian on July 11, 2015, 08:52:37 AM
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You can see where I am going with this, and all I will say is, if Britannia ever did convert The Grand to DSS occupancy, then this town is FINISHED!

Certainly what caused a lot of damage to Colwyn Bay.
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Post by: Blongb on July 11, 2015, 07:34:36 PM
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Britannia Hotels have 49 hotels in the UK,  but recently two of them (Blackburn and Bolton I believe) have been given over completely to housing homeless people.
The logic being, they can't fill them with guests, and they can't sell them, so why not guarantee income from the DSS!

Now, Llandudno's very own The Grand Hotel is a Britannia Hotel, and it's Trip Advisor ratings show that it is a woeful place these days. They also need to offer mega deals such as £89 for 5 nights (out of season) to desperately attract visitors and fill rooms.

You can see where I am going with this, and all I will say is, if Britannia ever did convert The Grand to DSS occupancy, then this town is FINISHED!
Let's keep our finger's crossed it NEVER happens eh?
 ££$ ££$ ££$

It wouldn't be allowed here Fester. No DSS in any Promenade Hotel or in any Street leading off the Promenade.
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Post by: Fester on July 11, 2015, 08:01:27 PM
Who decides that BlongB?
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Post by: Nemesis on July 12, 2015, 08:48:11 AM
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Britannia Hotels have 49 hotels in the UK,  but recently two of them (Blackburn and Bolton I believe) have been given over completely to housing homeless people.
The logic being, they can't fill them with guests, and they can't sell them, so why not guarantee income from the DSS!

Now, Llandudno's very own The Grand Hotel is a Britannia Hotel, and it's Trip Advisor ratings show that it is a woeful place these days. They also need to offer mega deals such as £89 for 5 nights (out of season) to desperately attract visitors and fill rooms.

You can see where I am going with this, and all I will say is, if Britannia ever did convert The Grand to DSS occupancy, then this town is FINISHED!
Let's keep our finger's crossed it NEVER happens eh?
 ££$ ££$ ££$

It wouldn't be allowed here Fester. No DSS in any Promenade Hotel or in any Street leading off the Promenade.

Have you some proof of that?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on July 12, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
I would imagine it would all depend on how the rooms were paid for.  If DSS paid directly, then wouldn't they have to be re-classified as HMOs? That would involve change of use, I'd imagine, which the council would (one fervently hopes) reject. But if claimants rolled up with cash in hand, I'm not sure what could be done. There's a lot on the Web about this, and it makes for very depressing reading.

We need some hard facts.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on July 17, 2015, 11:05:17 PM
Llandudno Hospitality has had this arrangement with CCBC for many years and I have personally used it.

When one of my previous neighbours on North Parade was going broke, he took in a 15/16 year old girl, who in less than a week had the Ambulance Service around three times and the Police twice.

On the last occasion she was in such a state that she was carried into next door by five lads with her kicking and screaming all the way in. We watched helplessly as next-doors regular guests without so much as a by your leave, packed their bags and waked out.

She was put into her room and the Ambulance Service was called out to assist her yet again. Refusing to cooperate with them, they called out the Police to give assistance. It was during their intervention that she let slip she had been put into the Hotel by Social Services.

One phone call to the Chairman of Llandudno Hospitality, who then reminded Social Services of our arrangement about accommodating such people in our Seafront Hotels was all it took for her case worker to come and remove her, all in less than an hour.

So that’s how I know Fester.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on July 18, 2015, 07:51:57 AM
That's very interesting, B. So just to get this clear, what the hotels have is an 'arrangement' with the Council, with no legislative backing? The reason I ask is that - presumably - if the composition of the Council were to change, say - by merging with another,  for instance - than such an arrangement couldn't be enforced? Is that right?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on July 18, 2015, 10:15:52 AM
At one time S. Services used to ring round, many times late at night, to all hotels asking for beds. We put our foot down and refused, but it might still go on !
Try having a hostel opposite !!!!
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Post by: Fester on July 18, 2015, 11:51:10 PM
In other news,  I'm hearing that The Grand Ash Hotel has been acquired by the Charedi Jewish Sect.

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Post by: Nemesis on July 19, 2015, 09:09:21 AM
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In other news,  I'm hearing that The Grand Ash Hotel has been acquired by the Charedi Jewish Sect.

True. Kids outside at 10.30 pm last night chasing baby gulls!
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Post by: Fester on July 19, 2015, 10:18:03 PM
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In other news,  I'm hearing that The Grand Ash Hotel has been acquired by the Charedi Jewish Sect.

True. Kids outside at 10.30 pm last night chasing baby gulls!

So, they're not all bad then....  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2015, 07:37:35 AM
We should invite these folk (http://www.liberaljudaism.org/) to invest in the town.
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Post by: Nemesis on July 20, 2015, 09:51:28 AM
Perhaps not !!!
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Post by: Bosun on July 20, 2015, 10:37:42 AM
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Perhaps not !!!

Can I ask why not?
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Post by: Nemesis on July 20, 2015, 10:58:53 AM
Without sounding racist in any way, many local business owners aren't keen because of their attitude and habits.
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Post by: Ian on July 20, 2015, 11:13:46 AM
The Reform and Liberal groups are fine. They're far from the insular nature of Charedi or Brethren. It's tricky, because it's impossible to consider the various facets of Judaism or Christianity as a single entity. Parochiality and insularity are rife amongst certain groups within all religions and I was thinking if the hotels were bought by those who believe in integration rather than segregation we'd have a better place.
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Post by: Nemesis on July 20, 2015, 06:34:26 PM
You have it in a nutshell there Ian.
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Post by: Blongb on July 24, 2015, 03:47:52 PM
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That's very interesting, B. So just to get this clear, what the hotels have is an 'arrangement' with the Council, with no legislative backing? The reason I ask is that - presumably - if the composition of the Council were to change, say - by merging with another,  for instance - than such an arrangement couldn't be enforced? Is that right?

If the Council make up were to change (probably for the better) we would, as a group of influential business rate payers, with the full backing of outside groups such as British Hospitality and Visit Wales, renegotiate with whoever was in power, to ensure the current arrangement remained the status quo.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 26, 2015, 05:40:39 PM
Only 3 rooms left to buy in the Heritage hotel,ruomours are they now have the Queens.The local football team are now called MBI Llandudno fc,nice little sponsorship.
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Post by: SteveH on July 26, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
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Only 3 rooms left to buy in the Heritage hotel,ruomours are they now have the Queens.The local football team are now called MBI Llandudno fc,nice little sponsorship.
I did not realise the setup with MBI hotels until reading your post and looking on line, I assumed just a standard hotel group,............ very clever.........
http://www.propertiesoftheworld.co.uk/the_heritage_hotel_llandudno.html (http://www.propertiesoftheworld.co.uk/the_heritage_hotel_llandudno.html)
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Post by: norman08 on July 26, 2015, 06:39:27 PM
They have also bought caerhun hall ,two other hotels in town aswell as the queens .
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Post by: SteveH on July 26, 2015, 07:02:59 PM
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They have also bought caerhun hall ,two other hotels in town aswell as the queens .

My friends say I am cynical so........that would make six in a small area, that's a lot of people investing in Llandudno and expecting a good return for their money....that's a lot of bookings .......and they would be competing with each other, as well as the existing hotels........... &shake&
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Post by: norman08 on July 26, 2015, 08:51:25 PM
They say they are keeping the hall how it is ,wedding venue and confrences .
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Post by: wrex on July 28, 2015, 04:49:09 PM
Have MBI now bought the Queens hotel
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Post by: Tom Davidson on July 30, 2015, 10:38:54 AM
My colleague has just looked into Caerhun Hall rumour and MBI say they've not bought it....

They've said they would like to though. It'd be a big project for them.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 30, 2015, 11:53:17 AM
Its the Queens everyone is saying they have bought.
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Post by: DaveR on July 30, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
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Its the Queens everyone is saying they have bought.
Nice to see a company making some decent size investments in Llandudno. Has anyone pointed MBI in the direction of the Pier Pavilion site?  ££$  $good$
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Post by: Bri Roberts on July 30, 2015, 02:06:02 PM
Someone must have, DaveR, seeing as they also own the Belmont Hotel.
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Post by: FatAndy on July 31, 2015, 08:19:52 AM
Caerhun Hall has the potential to be a goldmine with Surf Snowdonia opening a couple of miles down the road.  I went through Dolgarrog yesterday and there were cars everywhere and crowds of people stood along the main road watching the testing.  If it can attract so many people before it's even opened then I can only imagine what it's going to be like once it actually becomes operational (tomorrow).  If you want to invest in a hotel that's the place to do it.
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Post by: DaveR on July 31, 2015, 08:42:24 AM
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Caerhun Hall has the potential to be a goldmine with Surf Snowdonia opening a couple of miles down the road.  I went through Dolgarrog yesterday and there were cars everywhere and crowds of people stood along the main road watching the testing.  If it can attract so many people before it's even opened then I can only imagine what it's going to be like once it actually becomes operational (tomorrow).  If you want to invest in a hotel that's the place to do it.
That's a great point. I believe there's some sort of campsite at Surf Snowdonia itself but nothing much else in the way of accommodation.
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Post by: Ian on July 31, 2015, 08:53:16 AM
They're using those prefabricated softwood 'tents', which are minimalistic but which do the job.  I said in another post a link to Llandudno's web sites might have been a nice idea.
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Post by: Tom Davidson on July 31, 2015, 09:12:09 AM
Red Lion in Tyn y Groes could be a gold mine too. Don't imagine food at SS will be very cheap. Stick a sign outside offering cheap grub.
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Post by: Ian on July 31, 2015, 09:16:55 AM
SS are trying to deliver the entire package - which is in their interest, since Disney have done it that way for fifty years.  But I imagine the more enterprising fast-food retailers won't be slow to start offering incentives...
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Post by: FatAndy on July 31, 2015, 05:45:13 PM
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Red Lion in Tyn y Groes could be a gold mine too. Don't imagine food at SS will be very cheap. Stick a sign outside offering cheap grub.

Isn't the Red Lion closed for good?  The other place nearby that could be a goldmine though is Y Bedol in Tal-y-Bont which is currently up for sale if anyone has £225,000 to spare.  Hopefully the hotels and pubs in Llanrwst and Trefriw are able to grab a slice of the pie as well given that this is an attraction situated in the Conwy Valley.  I'd also imagine that the cafe in Siop Porthllwyd and the kebab shop in Dolgarrog which are both just opposite the entrance to Surf Snowdonia might see their takings increase.  In fact Siop Porthllwyd has probably already seen it's takings increase as their were a load of builders sat at the tables outside when I passed the other day.
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Post by: Ian on July 31, 2015, 06:48:32 PM
I wonder if and when the Tal y Cafn will be finished?
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Post by: Hugo on July 31, 2015, 08:07:52 PM
They don't seem to be in too much of a hurry to finish the Tal Y Cafn,  it all seems a bit strange.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on August 12, 2015, 08:31:50 PM
Isee MBI have sold all their rooms in the Heritage hotel{Belmont} and are now on their third hotel The Harrison hotel,not sure if its the Kinmel but it has 66 rooms to sell.
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Post by: DaveR on August 13, 2015, 10:17:39 AM
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Isee MBI have sold all their rooms in the Heritage hotel{Belmont} and are now on their third hotel The Harrison hotel,not sure if its the Kinmel but it has 66 rooms to sell.
It's not the Kinmel, they only have 23 bedrooms, I think. Must be one of the larger ones on the Prom.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on August 13, 2015, 10:36:09 AM
I think it could be the family run hotel (not the queens ) ,although talk they have sold .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on August 13, 2015, 12:47:31 PM
the position they give is between the Marine and Kinmel
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Post by: Blongb on August 13, 2015, 09:35:25 PM
The only Hotel around that size (66 Bedrooms) is the Kensington Hotel Central Parade 6-8 Nevill Crescent which currently has 50 en-suite guest rooms
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on August 14, 2015, 06:50:03 AM
On their website the position is near the Marine but that could be a delibrate decoy.
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Post by: wrex on August 16, 2015, 03:09:34 PM
Nobody worked out where the Harrison hotel is yet,68 bedrooms,how many rooms does the Queens have.
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Post by: norman08 on August 16, 2015, 06:05:28 PM
83 beds in the queens ,maybe that because they haven't used all the rooms in the bay one .
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Post by: Cambrian on August 16, 2015, 06:54:20 PM
My guess it's the Queen's. 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on August 17, 2015, 11:34:53 PM
Not sure if this is old news....... Mostyn Estates has bought The Royal Hotel.
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Post by: SteveH on August 18, 2015, 12:31:28 PM
Hotel gets coveted four-star rating following £6m revamp

A renowned hotel has been handed a four-star rating by tourism chiefs following a £6m refurbishment.
Visit Wales gave the rating to the Llandudno Bay Hotel in Llandudno, dubbed the queen of Welsh resorts.
The business - formerly the Regency Royal Hotel on the East Parade - has been revamped into a 61-bedroom boutique-style hotel, with a 90-cover restaurant.
“The owners are to be congratulated for transforming the property into a high quality hotel with restaurant and cocktail bar.

“It will be an added attraction for Llandudno and is a boost to the quality of accommodation on offer in the area.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-bay-hotel-visit-wales-9877163 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-bay-hotel-visit-wales-9877163)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on August 18, 2015, 03:17:09 PM
The recent acquirers of The Grand Ash hotel have been looking to sell it already.

The have approached 2 different hotel owners, (at least), but they want to retain it for their own use, for July and August each year.

Obviously a very strange and unacceptable arrangement for any prospective purchaser.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on August 18, 2015, 03:30:47 PM
There have been a lot of unacceptable things going on anyway and I can't imagine anyone wanting to deal with the strings of complaints which have been in the area recently.
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Post by: Ian on August 18, 2015, 03:48:33 PM
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The have approached 2 different hotel owners, (at least), but they want to retain it for their own use, for July and August each year.

Might suit an education authority.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on August 24, 2015, 07:05:42 PM
At least we know now that there are no takers for the Clarence hotel units,two big ugly signs on there now to let,lets hope somebody has a vision.
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Post by: SteveH on August 28, 2015, 12:19:50 PM
GALLERY: £3m Llandudno hotel praised for improved disabled access
ARCHITECTS behind the £3million renovation of a Llandudno hotel which caters specifically to disable users have been praised.
Following designs by Lancashire architects Croft Goode, the Esplanade Hotel officially opened earlier this year after extensive work which involved refurbishment, remodelling and an extension of the site.

Owned by Safehands Care Group, the Grade II Listed building has undergone major improvements including the internal layout and reconfiguration of 40 larger rooms to meet disabled person’s needs.
Paul Manning, managing director at Safehands Care, said: “Our vision was to retain the character of the building, whilst providing a modern ambience once you stepped through the door.
“We liased with Croft Goode to understand the issues we would face as the project progressed, and how to sympathetically restore the property while providing cutting-edge assistive technology for disabled visitors and guests.

“We are immensely proud of what we have achieved.
The craftsmanship that has gone into this renovation project has been well considered to create, what we believe, is disabled hotel accommodation that is second to none in the UK.”

Exterior remodelling involved new ramps fitted at both the front and rear entrances of the hotel, with railings re-added leading up towards the main entrance.
A new access core was also added to the rear, designed to be in keeping with the existing build.

The Esplanade Hotel was originally formed by the combination of five Victorian townhouses in the 1920s and remained family owned and run until being sold to Safehands Care in 2013.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/152041/gallery-3m-llandudno-hotel-praised-for-improved-disabled-access.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/152041/gallery-3m-llandudno-hotel-praised-for-improved-disabled-access.aspx)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on August 30, 2015, 06:21:07 PM
Can;t believe nobody knows which hotel is about to become the Harrison hotel,standards have gone.
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Post by: DaveR on September 01, 2015, 10:07:24 AM
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Can;t believe nobody knows which hotel is about to become the Harrison hotel,standards have gone.
It's the Queens Hotel.
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Post by: DaveR on September 01, 2015, 11:48:45 AM
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Not sure if this is old news....... Mostyn Estates has bought The Royal Hotel.
I wonder what their plans are for it? It will need a considerable amount of money spending on it to reopen as a hotel. Maybe a conversion into apartments is on the cards?
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Post by: wrex on September 01, 2015, 06:52:27 PM
Owners of the Queens where not letting on last week when i mentioned it,funny old world.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: dave121 on September 03, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
the queens has 87 bedrooms http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/cool.gif (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/cool.gif)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on September 03, 2015, 02:46:34 PM
The ormescliffe has more bedrooms than they are using but they say too small ,so the same could happen with the queens .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on September 03, 2015, 05:01:26 PM
Does anyone know the total number of bed spaces in Llandudno hotels?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Dave on September 03, 2015, 09:43:16 PM
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Does anyone know the total number of bed spaces in Llandudno hotels?
Not a clue but I do recall reading somewhere  a few years ago that there were more bed spaces in Llandudno than the rest of Wales put together. That sounds ridiculous but I would imagine the truth might be Llandudno has more bed spaces than anywhere else in Wales.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on September 04, 2015, 11:13:58 AM
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Does anyone know the total number of bed spaces in Llandudno hotels?
Not a clue but I do recall reading somewhere  a few years ago that there were more bed spaces in Llandudno than the rest of Wales put together. That sounds ridiculous but I would imagine the truth might be Llandudno has more bed spaces than anywhere else in Wales.
I seem to recall that Cardiff has now overtaken Llandudno with regard to number of bed spaces.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on September 08, 2015, 11:54:34 AM
Wake Me Up Before You Go Go! B&B owner vanishes overnight leaving guests in lurch
16:13, 7 SEPTEMBER 2015 UPDATED 16:56, 7 SEPTEMBER 2015
BY MARI JONES

 
Guests at a Conwy hotel woke up to find the owners had disappeared during the night.

Others staying at the well-known Fairy Falls Hotel in Trefriw found to their dismay the hotel was locked up and a sign had been placed on the door saying it had closed due to “unforeseen circumstances”.

The dismayed holidaymakers ended up desperately trying to book into other accommodation providers in the village, but most were fully booked.

Alan Jones, who runs the Ty Newydd guest house in Trefriw said there were already people staying at the hotel when the owners disappeared.

He added: “There was a lot of distressed people around on the Saturday, around a dozen had tried to book in to the Fairy Falls.

“We tried to help them out and managed to accommodate a few of them and phoned many hotels in Llandudno but they were all full.

“It was a pretty shocking thing to happen, there were still people in there when the landlady disappeared.”

Sue, from Swindon, posted on travel review site Tripadvisor: “We travelled over five hours for our visit so we’re very disappointed.

“The local people were so helpful trying to suggest other B&Bs in the area.”

A party for 100 was supposed to take place at the hotel on the Saturday night. A local couple had paid £200 for a party to celebrate the man’s 40th birthday and their son’s 21st birthday.

The woman said: “We were all so looking forward to the party. We had saved up for it and it formed a big part of our son’s 21st birthday present.

“In the end we ended up having sandwiches at Y Bedol pub in Tal y Bont. They were wonderful but it wasn’t quite the night we were hoping for.

“I really hope we can get the money back, even if it’s just a goodwill gesture.”

Hotel owners Punch Taverns said they have no obligation to give the money back, as the pub is leased.

A spokeswoman for Punch Taverns said: “Punch Taverns are predominantly a leased and tenanted pub company, whilst we own the freehold of the Fairy Falls we lease out the premises under the terms of a legal contract and the tenant operates their own business with complete autonomy.

“We are therefore not in a position to reimburse customers monies paid to the previous tenant for goods not received as this was a business transaction between parties.”

The spokeswoman added: “Due to unforeseen circumstances, the Fairy Falls has closed at short notice.

“Some essential works are currently being completed and we hope to have the pub back open and trading in approximately two weeks.

“We are pleased to confirm that Debbie Pedder will become the new tenant and is looking forward to welcoming back customers of the Fairy Falls.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/fairy-falls-conwy-landlord-left-10006655 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/fairy-falls-conwy-landlord-left-10006655)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: kgem on September 28, 2015, 11:00:12 PM
The somerset hotel is being taken over by Daish's travel. www.daishs.com (http://www.daishs.com). They are planning a program of renovation over the winter and hope to reopen in the spring and stay open all year round.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on September 29, 2015, 06:48:54 AM
They seem to have 7 other hotels and their own fleet of coaches,good news for town,costant turn over people all year round,The Somerset is one of the few that closed over winter.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on September 29, 2015, 09:29:56 AM
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The somerset hotel is being taken over by Daish's travel. www.daishs.com (http://www.daishs.com). They are planning a program of renovation over the winter and hope to reopen in the spring and stay open all year round.
Great news, thanks for sharing.  $good$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on September 29, 2015, 07:51:42 PM
  Having worked in coach travel for over 30 years I was surprised when I read this news. I must admit that I had never even heard of them---who are they? So I looked them up and I now know why I have never come across them. All their existing bases are around 300 miles from here.
   So they are making a brave step into the unknown. No harm in that, I wish them the best of luck. In view of the competition they will need it
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on October 10, 2015, 12:30:30 PM
only sold 15 rooms in the Queens come Harrison hotel,seems the rush to invest has slowed down a little.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on October 11, 2015, 07:49:37 PM
  Just in case nobody has noticed. The scaffolding around the Washington has at last come down and the building looks pretty good from the outside.  But no great signs of any further activity. its taken almost as long as Aberhod in Rhos. Made worse by the comparison with the hotel two doors away where the massive refurbishment was all done and dusted in a matter of a few months.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: FatAndy on October 16, 2015, 10:08:18 PM
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They seem to have 7 other hotels and their own fleet of coaches,good news for town,costant turn over people all year round,The Somerset is one of the few that closed over winter.

The problem (for Llandudno) with coach firms owing hotels is that whilst the guests might sleep in the hotel overnight during the daytimes they'll be getting whisked off on day trips to other parts of North Wales.  Go and stand on the A470 anywhere between Llandudno and the A55 at 9.00am on a summer morning and you'll see dozens of coaches heading off for Betws-y-Coed, Anglesey or wherever it is that they go.  This will be good news for the town, but only if the town you're talking about is Betws-y-Coed or Caernarfon.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on October 18, 2015, 12:11:29 AM
Andy, that is something that is remarked upon every day by those of us who have a business in Llandudno.

Basically, I hear people saying they have been for 'a week in Llandudno'

In actual fact they arrived late on Monday, stayed in the hotel that night.... had 2 or 3 trips to Tweedmill, LlanfairPG, Caernarfon, Betws.... etc... and were shipped off home at 10am on Friday.   (with pockets emptied)
They never rode a tram, never set foot on the Pier, never reached the Cable Car and left never knowing that 'West Shore' even exists.



Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on October 18, 2015, 01:34:38 PM
Unfortunate but certainly not unique. Bournemouth, Torquay, Dunoon,Weston super mare etc etc. All in the same situation.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on October 18, 2015, 01:49:08 PM
*Oh,  and of course they are highly unlikely to go away every day. Because of the stringent driving regulations the driver almost always has to take a rest day, very often on the Sunday. Unless the passengers have made some arrangement between themselves to hire a coach for the day, then they spend that day in the town they are sleeping in.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on October 25, 2015, 07:21:30 PM
Mostyn Estates are obviously struggling to find any more tennants for the Tudno Castle hence thelack of any progress on the development.It must be two years since they announced Premier inn and Prezzo,i think the town needs a manager who could invite companies to town to take a look.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Jack on October 25, 2015, 07:53:10 PM
Daish's Holidays have bought the Somerset Hotel for £1.3m. They are closing it between December and February for 'substantial renovations'.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SDQ on October 26, 2015, 05:37:59 AM
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Daish's Holidays have bought the Somerset Hotel for £1.3m. They are closing it between December and February for 'substantial renovations'.


Daish? Do they specialise in tours of Iraq and Syria???
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: FatAndy on October 28, 2015, 08:49:48 AM
MBi have now bought Caerhun Hall for £1m+ to with their portfolio of half the hotels in Llandudno, Plas Glynliffon, a number of care homes in various locations plus Llandudno Football Club.  They seem to have a bottomless money pit, hopefully it doesn't suddenly run dry or there'll be a lot of empty properties coming onto the market.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Gwynant on October 28, 2015, 09:05:50 AM
               Apparently they (MBI)  have pulled out of the Plas Glynllyffon deal because they wanted to rename it  "Wynnborn",  which sparked local "fury and protests" from the local community.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Greyhound on October 28, 2015, 09:56:47 AM
Well if they don't want the investment over in Gwynedd then I am quite happy for us to have it down here. They obviously see Llandudno as a good investment and, overall, I am pleased they want to put money in the town. What they did to the Llandudno Bay was great, if only all the hotels were done to that standard! Hopefully the Belmont will be just as nice. And at least they have hopes for Broadway Boulevard rather than just letting it rot. 

I imagine their address in England probably killed their prospects with the Gwynedd councillors and local campaigners...
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on October 28, 2015, 01:48:00 PM
Workmen in the Clarence are shoring up the ceilings, due to the ongoing subsidence.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on November 15, 2015, 09:51:54 AM
There are still 34 rooms available for sale in the Harrison hotel[Queens],i don;t think they[MBI] seem to be doing much in the Heritage[Belmont] they seem to be lodeging there,as we know the re=opening of Broadway has been put on the back burner so im not sure what they are doing at the moment.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on November 15, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
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There are still 34 rooms available for sale in the Harrison hotel[Queens],i don;t think they[MBI] seem to be doing much in the Heritage[Belmont] they seem to be lodeging there,as we know the re=opening of Broadway has been put on the back burner so im not sure what they are doing at the moment.

You are right about The Belmont, it is being used as a project office for MBi, plus it is in use as digs for their workmen.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on December 03, 2015, 09:32:08 PM
A veritable forest of handrails/railings have been put in place at the front of the Travelodge.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on December 04, 2015, 08:48:52 AM
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There are still 34 rooms available for sale in the Harrison hotel[Queens],i don;t think they[MBI] seem to be doing much in the Heritage[Belmont] they seem to be lodeging there,as we know the re=opening of Broadway has been put on the back burner so im not sure what they are doing at the moment.
They must have spent all their cash on Caer Rhun Hall maybe?
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/conwys-caer-rhun-hall-sold-10341417 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/conwys-caer-rhun-hall-sold-10341417)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2015, 08:28:23 AM
Disappointing to see this....

Llandudno hotelier fined for fire alarm breaches

05:00, 22 DEC 2015
BY GARY PORTER


Court heard Nigel Williams of the Ambassador Hotel put both staff and guests at risk of harm by failing to provide a suitable alarm system

A Llandudno hotel owner has been fined for putting both staff and guests at risk of harm by failing to provide a suitable fire alarm system.

Nigel Williams of the Ambassador Hotel also admitted failing to maintain and service both the existing fire alarm and emergency lighting systems at the premises.

He was prosecuted by North Wales Fire and Rescue Service after safety officers discovered the hotel was not complying with the required regulations.

Williams pleaded guilty to two charges under the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 when he appeared at Llandudno Magistrates Court on December 16.

He received fines and was ordered to pay costs totalling more than £8,000.

Stuart Millington, senior fire safety manager at North Wales Fire and Rescue Service, said: “When business owners put their staff and guests at risk of harm from fire and fail repeatedly to improve their safety standards, it is our duty to work to prosecute those who fail to protect others and to ensure the highest levels of safety for the public.”

Fire chiefs say they will work pro-actively with businesses to ensure an adequate level of fire safety is achieved through its audit and education programmes.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-hotelier-fined-fire-alarm-10635230 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-hotelier-fined-fire-alarm-10635230)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on December 22, 2015, 04:25:29 PM
It would at first appear to be a blatant disregard for the installation of a digital fire alarm system, which has been required since the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 came into force in 2006.

The installation in my own premises, which are a lot smaller than the Ambassador, cost me over £14,000 and there were no grants available to help with the financial burden this put on our business.

However it's not always obvious why someone would knowingly disregard the implementation of such important safety legislation but perhaps a look at the link below may shed a little light on the matter.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/insolvency/notice?text=Ambassador+Hotel+Llandudno&categorycode=G205010000+G206030000&location-distance-1=1&numberOfLocationSearches=1&results-page-size=10 (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/insolvency/notice?text=Ambassador+Hotel+Llandudno&categorycode=G205010000+G206030000&location-distance-1=1&numberOfLocationSearches=1&results-page-size=10)

(It looks like he's had problems paying his VAT and HMRC take no prisoners when you fail to pay on time)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2015, 06:29:54 PM
Pity they don't take the same approach to the major companies...
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2015, 06:36:45 PM
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Pity they don't take the same approach to the major companies...

That's so true, but why  they don't puzzles me
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2015, 07:00:02 PM
If I were to be cynical I might suggest that it's far easier to intimidate the smaller tax payer.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2015, 11:02:29 PM
It's not cynical, it's just a true fact but the Government should have the brains and the power to go after the bigger companies but for some reason they don't.
Now if I was cynical too then I would think that the directors would own the buildings and then lease them out to the company and if the company went bust then the directors would still own the buildings and would in fact be  creditors  in the liquidation of the company that they had previously been a director of.     ???
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on December 23, 2015, 07:10:02 AM
MBI seem to have lost their way with the hotel schemes,Harrison hotel room sales seem to have completeley died,only one sold since i last looked months ago.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Tom Davidson on December 23, 2015, 08:42:56 AM
The MBI business model is very suspect if you ask me, doesn't seem to add up. But then I'm hardly an expert with money!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on January 29, 2016, 05:16:49 PM
The Headlands Hotel has finally sold. Ray is off to Australia on Sunday. He's been a great friend and I shall miss him. New owner is expanding, he currently ownes the Brig a Don as well.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on January 29, 2016, 05:39:35 PM
It's an iconic building, I really hope the new owner gets the 'Headlands' signage re-installed as a priority.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on February 01, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
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It's an iconic building, I really hope the new owner gets the 'Headlands' signage re-installed as a priority.

The new owner plans to make a slight change to the name by calling it the Four Saints Headlands Hotel, which is now the second hotel in the Four Saints hotels group.

The old signage which was very smart when it first went up and extremely expensive to buy and install, was made to the specification stipulated by the man from Conwy Council. Unfortunately like most things they get involved with, it proved to be totally unfit for service and ended up being a complete right off, because it couldn't stand up to high winds.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 08, 2016, 05:22:35 PM
Queens hotel still being marketed by Mbi ,google Harrison hotel and even a picture comes up on one of the invetment companies trying to sell rooms.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on February 09, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
The 12 bedroom Lindens Hotel (across from the Empire on the corner) is now on the market for just £187,500.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on February 09, 2016, 12:22:44 PM
That is a very nice looking property Dave, do you know what the catch is?       It's well below the market  price of  similar properties.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on February 09, 2016, 01:05:53 PM
The one where the guy who bought it put those big statues outside ,have the Jewish people bought it Dave sure I seen them coming out of there last week .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 09, 2016, 01:07:17 PM
Hugo, shall we place an advert in the NWWN selling each bedroom for £20,000 each with a guaranteed return of around 10% per annum?

Without taking any risk ourselves, we are likely to make a tidy profit.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 09, 2016, 01:29:16 PM
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That is a very nice looking property Dave, do you know what the catch is?       It's well below the market  price of  similar properties.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190724-d496698-Reviews-The_Lindens-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html (https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190724-d496698-Reviews-The_Lindens-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html)

No catch Hugo !!
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Post by: Hugo on February 09, 2016, 03:22:55 PM
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That is a very nice looking property Dave, do you know what the catch is?       It's well below the market  price of  similar properties.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190724-d496698-Reviews-The_Lindens-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html (https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190724-d496698-Reviews-The_Lindens-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html)

No catch Hugo !!

It just seems too good to be true Nemesis,  nice location also.       Sounds like a good idea Bri , hope that you'll accept an IOU from me though.     ;D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 09, 2016, 06:49:52 PM
Lovely position and an unusual shape, but no parking available, except in the street. If these charges come into being that are planned, as in last week's Pioneer, everywhere will be crammed with people trying not to pay!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 09, 2016, 07:50:10 PM
Is this a good deal?

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 09, 2016, 08:11:42 PM
Sorry Bri, but I tend to regard all such things with suspicion, there always seems to be something which is hidden in the small print.
 This has come to light in other ways recently with some rather up-market flats locally. They are leaking like a sieve, have been for months, one of the washing machines has been broken down for ages and the window cleaner is refusing to work there again unless he is paid by the firm who runs them. Not good for the amazing amount of money that is charged for so called maintenance.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 09, 2016, 08:36:05 PM
So do I, Nemesis.

With my own knowledge of investments, this form of advertising should be regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority.

I cannot see any risk warnings attached to the quoted investment return, which I consider a concern.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on February 09, 2016, 09:10:42 PM
Let's just see how many rooms they can sell there ,they done well with the first venture here , has it dried up though .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on February 10, 2016, 08:51:15 AM
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Sorry Bri, but I tend to regard all such things with suspicion, there always seems to be something which is hidden in the small print.
 This has come to light in other ways recently with some rather up-market flats locally. They are leaking like a sieve, have been for months, one of the washing machines has been broken down for ages and the window cleaner is refusing to work there again unless he is paid by the firm who runs them. Not good for the amazing amount of money that is charged for so called maintenance.
Are these on Gloddaeth Street, by any chance?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on February 10, 2016, 08:52:53 AM
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Lovely position and an unusual shape, but no parking available, except in the street. If these charges come into being that are planned, as in last week's Pioneer, everywhere will be crammed with people trying not to pay!
It might be better as a house. Where else can you get a 12 bedroom house for £187k?!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2016, 10:47:09 AM
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Sorry Bri, but I tend to regard all such things with suspicion, there always seems to be something which is hidden in the small print.
 This has come to light in other ways recently with some rather up-market flats locally. They are leaking like a sieve, have been for months, one of the washing machines has been broken down for ages and the window cleaner is refusing to work there again unless he is paid by the firm who runs them. Not good for the amazing amount of money that is charged for so called maintenance.
Are these on Gloddaeth Street, by any chance?

Yes !!!! More has come to light this morning.......my OH chats to someone who lives there when he takes the dog out first thing.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 15, 2016, 05:55:42 PM
Mbi are going to change the Queens from a coaching hotel to a main street one,they reckon the coach trade is dying,more like not as much profit from the coaches lol
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on February 15, 2016, 07:32:46 PM
Award winning hotel Lauriston Court have been told by CCBC to remove their signage, as it is oval and not rectangular!!   Petty officialdom reigns again. &shake&
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: OrmeMac on February 15, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
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Award winning hotel Lauriston Court have been told by CCBC to remove their signage, as it is oval and not rectangular!!   Petty officialdom reigns again. &shake&

And that would be the same council that thought Venue Cymru would fit in with the rest of the Victorian seafront...
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 15, 2016, 09:56:31 PM
And allowed Garth Court to be built. Victorian? I don't think so !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 16, 2016, 07:27:03 AM
Only Cll P Evans will be left on the town council that allowed that eyesore but im sure he did not vote for it,but i must admit its a brilliant view all over town from the top flat.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on February 16, 2016, 08:16:55 AM
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Award winning hotel Lauriston Court have been told by CCBC to remove their signage, as it is oval and not rectangular!!   Petty officialdom reigns again. &shake&
It's a ridiculous decision. The sign looks tasteful and blends in perfectly well with the area. People investing in Llandudno should be encouraged, not persecuted with petty nonsense like this.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on February 16, 2016, 08:39:19 AM
Ridiculous and perfectly typical of CCBC.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 16, 2016, 08:55:48 PM
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/try-before-you-buy-llandudno-10901545 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/try-before-you-buy-llandudno-10901545)

A new idea here !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on February 17, 2016, 02:43:14 PM
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http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/try-before-you-buy-llandudno-10901545 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/try-before-you-buy-llandudno-10901545)

A new idea here !

Not such a new idea Nem, when we went to buy our place back in August of 1997, we worked in it for 2 weeks before contracts and money changed hands. If it wasen't right for us, we could have pulled out at any time. Carol and Andy Oliver then stayed on for 2 weeks after we boughtthe place to help us through the start-up.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on February 17, 2016, 04:26:41 PM
That was an ideal and good arrangement Blongb and full marks to the Olivers.   A perfect way to start a business.      $good$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 17, 2016, 06:00:33 PM
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http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/try-before-you-buy-llandudno-10901545 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/try-before-you-buy-llandudno-10901545)

A new idea here !

Not such a new idea Nem, when we went to buy our place back in August of 1997, we worked in it for 2 weeks before contracts and money changed hands. If it wasen't right for us, we could have pulled out at any time. Carol and Andy Oliver then stayed on for 2 weeks after we boughtthe place to help us through the start-up.

You were lucky there Blongb, due to unfortunate circumstances we were dropped in at the deep end, complete with a booking for a group of German Orchid growers ! :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 19, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
I really had to chuckle at an advert. in this week's Pioneer for a Mother's Day Meal.
One of the well known local hotels has " Roast Lion of rare breed Pork" and " Poached Bear" on its menu.
 ;D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 19, 2016, 02:17:33 PM
Shame MBI don;t fancy the Royal hotel.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 19, 2016, 02:37:19 PM
It certainly needs something doing with it !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 25, 2016, 01:26:35 PM
Large sign outside the Grand Ash
FOR SALE
Christies.
Anyone got £ 599.999 to spare?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on February 25, 2016, 02:07:12 PM
Are the owners still asking whoever buys it can they use for a month in the summer 😅😅
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 25, 2016, 03:41:53 PM
Now that I would like to know ! Bet the locals hope not !!!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on February 25, 2016, 10:01:11 PM
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Are the owners still asking whoever buys it can they use for a month in the summer 😅😅
I heard that the owner of The Alex backed out from buying it, for that very reason.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mr Tunnock on February 25, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
That's a reduced price believe it or not!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on February 26, 2016, 09:40:07 AM
I think what fester meant ,last year when they put it up for sale they wanted to have it for themselves for the month .bet the owners of the Dunoon will be happy .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 26, 2016, 11:03:16 AM
Think that they had a lot of bother with the 'overflow'. Bet that they don't accommodate them again.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Mr Tunnock on February 26, 2016, 10:35:07 PM
Sunnyside hotel is on the market for £750,000.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: OrmeMac on February 27, 2016, 10:09:42 PM
Any sign of work taking place on The Somerset Hotel? Think it'll cost a lot to bring this place up to standard.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on February 28, 2016, 08:34:16 AM
I thought the Somerset had been done
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: OrmeMac on February 28, 2016, 05:28:29 PM
It was this I was referring to but, yes, it should be finished by now.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudno-hotel-revamp-after-13m-10348380 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudno-hotel-revamp-after-13m-10348380)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on March 21, 2016, 12:30:23 PM
Doctor buys Llandudno's Headlands Hotel after escaping turmoil in Egypt   http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-44048173.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-44048173.html)

A doctor who escaped the turmoil in Eqypt to ensure the safety of his family has now invested more than £500,000 into his second Llandudno hotel.
Shoukry Rozek, 38, moved to North Wales two years ago after acquiring the Brig Y Don Hotel in the seaside town.
Now after support from Barclays Bank he has invested £565,000 in the purchase and revamp of the Headlands Hotel in the resort.
More....http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/doctor-buys-llandudnos-headlands-hotel-11071013 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/doctor-buys-llandudnos-headlands-hotel-11071013)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on May 17, 2016, 04:23:59 PM
at last MBI seem to be doing something with the Belmont[Heritage] hotel,nearly as long as the Tudno Castle.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on May 17, 2016, 08:30:40 PM
Keep your eye on the Grand Ash, Wrex ! Interesting things afoot there.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on May 17, 2016, 09:34:51 PM
Nem half a story,not fair.i thought the Vicar was in charge
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on May 18, 2016, 12:40:21 AM
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Nem half a story,not fair.i thought the Vicar was in charge

He kind of is, under instruction to make what he can, until the real owners descend upon it again in about 6 weeks from now.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on May 18, 2016, 07:02:14 AM
Mr & mrs nem taking over maybe,expanding the empire
 lol
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 18, 2016, 09:09:38 AM
The old West Shore Hotel is up for sale at £1.3m, with PP for redevelopment into 9 apartments.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-39662670.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-39662670.html)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on May 18, 2016, 10:05:24 AM
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Mr & mrs nem taking over maybe,expanding the empire
 lol

Not b****y likely Wrex, not at our age, not at any age.!
Fester is right, and much of the 'stuff ' from the Vicar's previous domain keeps arriving and put somewhere in the building. I imagine that the real owners might appreciate a load more beds for their 'jollies', but it will be pretty crammed full by now ! :o

As for 1/2 a story, even if I don't post the rest someone can always fill in the details ! ;D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 18, 2016, 11:39:36 AM
JH is in charge of the Grand Ash?!  :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on May 18, 2016, 11:48:49 AM
If you mean Mrs Polizzi's 'friend'............. Yes ! :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on May 18, 2016, 12:25:35 PM
Never thought the Grand Ash would ever produce so many mystic messages. I must pass them on to my old boss, the previous owner, in his Norwich headquarters.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on May 18, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
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JH is in charge of the Grand Ash?!  :o
Only in so far as getting as much revenue as possible, until the owners want to use it.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on May 18, 2016, 01:33:41 PM
When it first went on the market the condition of sale specified that it had to be left vacant for so many weeks in the summer to accommodate the religious holiday people.
Who actually has ownership now? It is beginning to look like a garden furniture sale at the front. ???
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on May 18, 2016, 07:05:30 PM
It will be very interesting to see what the results of their next Fire Inspection are :-}}}
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 19, 2016, 09:27:31 AM
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JH is in charge of the Grand Ash?!  :o
Only in so far as getting as much revenue as possible, until the owners want to use it.
Were Laurel & Hardy not available?  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on May 19, 2016, 08:50:47 PM
I guess I am well and truly left out of this conversation. Should I be worried that I don't know J.R. nor the Vicar.? I don't know. I've always been a bit wet behind the ears
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on May 19, 2016, 09:23:45 PM
Don't worry Mike JR and The Vicar are one and the same. All this knowledge seems to have come from watching the chap on a couple of TV programs. Obviously we can't start giving his name out, but it seems to have become a joke ! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on May 19, 2016, 09:35:00 PM
 I virtually never watch T.V. I might watch the news, and sometimes football. Too busy glued to my laptop screen
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 20, 2016, 08:57:21 AM
On a completely unrelated note, the Alexandra Hotel appears to be closed now.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on May 20, 2016, 11:31:19 AM
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On a completely unrelated note, the Alexandra Hotel appears to be closed now.
Perhaps because he now seems to have spent his time at The Grand Ash, opening what claims to be an Internet cafe, but looks more like a brothel.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on May 20, 2016, 11:34:34 AM
A brothel could be a nice addition to Llandudno...
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on May 20, 2016, 11:54:42 AM
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On a completely unrelated note, the Alexandra Hotel appears to be closed now.
Perhaps because he now seems to have spent his time at The Grand Ash, opening what claims to be an Internet cafe, but looks more like a brothel.

??????? Know many ?????? :roll: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on May 20, 2016, 12:59:54 PM
A few years ago there was reputed to be one in Vardre Lane around the corner off Upper Mostyn St., but allegedly after a visit from some gentlemen from Liverpool, it closed.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on May 20, 2016, 01:24:52 PM
the vicar is not capable of running a sermon let alone a brothel,hotel or internet cafe
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on May 20, 2016, 01:26:52 PM
Having met the man, I totally agree with you Wrex
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on May 21, 2016, 08:55:35 AM
There seems to be no movement with The Royal, which is rapidly going down hill.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: ormegolf on May 21, 2016, 10:35:11 PM
It's handy for parking (illegal) if you need to go to the trams
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on May 24, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
A developer wants to drop plans to create a boutique hotel and restaurant in Deganwy.

The Deganwy Castle Hotel, which sits on a prominent site overlooking Conwy estuary, closed back in 2010 - putting 35 staff out of work.

It was later bought by North Wales developer Coastal and Country Developments who secured permission to transform the site into a five star boutique hotel, restaurant, bar and 26 apartments. This would have created dozens of new jobs.

The residential part of the scheme has been completed but planning agent Hourigan Connolly say that the developer has been unable to find a hotelier to take on the site despite efforts to market the property through local and national agents.

They now want to drop the hotel and restaurant plan and build an additional seven apartments instead.  &shake&
A planning application is now being prepared to submit to Conwy council and a community meeting was held recently in Deganwy.

Deganwy resident David Williams said: “This was a community hub for Deganwy where clubs and societies met and it has been a big loss over the last few years.
“The planning committee were very strong on insisting that any new scheme did include a hotel, restaurant and bar.
“That we could now lose these facilities permanently would be a very unfortunate development.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/deganwy-boutique-hotel-restaurant-plan-11375717 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/deganwy-boutique-hotel-restaurant-plan-11375717)

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 24, 2016, 02:22:31 PM
Can anybody remember seeing any adverts seeking someone to take on the restaurant?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 27, 2016, 10:57:33 AM
I se the Hydro Hotel wants to convert its lawned area into a car park. I've always thought this hotel would really benefit from a refurb to restore its former glory.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on May 27, 2016, 10:59:59 AM
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Can anybody remember seeing any adverts seeking someone to take on the restaurant?
I've seen it advertised on one of the commercial property sites. Thing is, it would be easy to advertise it at a sky high rent, so that no-one takes it on, then apply to CCBC to convert the space into more apartments. Or am I being too cynical..?  ?{}?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 27, 2016, 11:33:56 AM
I do not think so, DaveR.

I remember commenting on this forum a few years ago that planning permission only included enough parking places for the apartments.

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I see the Hydro Hotel wants to convert its lawned area into a car park.

The comments I have seen so far appear to ignore the fact there is a car park a few yards away at Venue Cymru that is accessible between the Four Oaks Hotel and the Swimming Pool.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on July 01, 2016, 11:22:38 AM
A hotel on Llandudno's North Shore promenade has been put up for sale.

The Kinmel Hotel, a 19th century Grade II listed building, has come to the market through specialist business property adviser Christie & Co.
They believe that the increasing popularity of Llandudno as a resort will see strong interest in the (28 bed) hotel.
It is on the market for £595,000.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-promenade-hotel-put-up-11551889 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-promenade-hotel-put-up-11551889)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on July 01, 2016, 11:55:24 AM
Daily post stuck for real stories again ,just take a look at the amount of hotels ,guest houses / b& bs are up for sale .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on July 01, 2016, 12:30:04 PM
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Daily post stuck for real stories again ,just take a look at the amount of hotels ,guest houses / b& bs are up for sale .
It's really sad how the the once proud Daily Post has declined in recent years. Going from what was once a well resourced regional paper to a toned down version of the Daily Mirror is a great shame. The website is awful, festooned with adverts everywhere you look and an ever decreasing number of 'real' stories padded out with rubbish like 'You'll be AMAZED at how this cat can ride a bicycle' and similar nonsense. No disrespect to reporters like Tim Davidson who are doing their best but its no wonder the circulation is in decline. The Weekly News is no better, with half the stories being a cut and paste of one that have already appeared in the Daily Post a few days earlier, house features obviously culled from Trinity's other North Wales papers and Times Past Images from Bangor and suchlike!  &shake&

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: OrmeMac on July 02, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
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It's really sad how the the once proud Daily Post has declined in recent years.

It's also amazing how they think giving VIP parking to their Sales Person of the Month, which amounts to nothing more than a small space beside the bins, is an incentive for hard work and dedication.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Tom Davidson on July 04, 2016, 09:13:51 AM
Thought you'd at least get my name right.  :'( :'( :'(

 _))*
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on July 04, 2016, 11:00:03 AM
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Thought you'd at least get my name right.  :'( :'( :'(

 _))*
Sorry for the typo, Tom, I do know your name honest!  $good$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Tom Davidson on July 04, 2016, 11:17:51 AM
As for the Post itself, we all work very hard to deliver the best newspaper we can. Technical issues some may have with the website are out of our hands as reporters.

As for perceived decline in quality, it's a balancing act (and one we don't always get right) between cats riding bicycles (stories which are always really popular), longer investigative pieces and breaking news. 

I think the Post still break most of the stories in North Wales and deliver good exclusives.

Always happy to hear feedback.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 04, 2016, 11:36:39 AM
Is there a link to the story about the cat riding a bicycle?   *cycle*
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on July 04, 2016, 01:16:02 PM
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Is there a link to the story about the cat riding a bicycle?   *cycle*
Here's an exclusive photo:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 04, 2016, 02:30:15 PM
 $good$ no video of it?  ;D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 04, 2016, 07:01:15 PM
I think a bit of interest into why the Tudno castle is delayed or in depth look into MBI or what does town need to attract large investors ,ok they will not upset CCBC and will not upset Mostyn estates so no chance of any interesting articles
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on July 04, 2016, 10:31:15 PM
Wrex, do you know anything about the present position with the Castle Hotel?
Work to  transform the site into a 63-bed Premier Inn, restaurants and retail units was set to start in March 2016 but nothing appears to have happened.
The hotel which is in a prominent position in  Llandudno has lain empty since closing in 2008, and has become one of the seaside town’s biggest eyesores.   I wonder if they are now trying to get the whole building demolished instead of keeping the front as a facade and that is the reason for the delay?

 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 05, 2016, 05:22:22 AM
It was not too long ago that another hotel was in trouble for simply painting its exterior the wrong shade of pink.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on July 05, 2016, 07:31:24 AM
Personally, I thought that the hotel looked fresh and attractive and didn't know what all the fuss was about, but the Castle Hotel is an eyesore and quickly getting worse.
I wonder what CCBC  is saying to the freeholder about the apparent lack of activity on this property.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Greyhound on July 05, 2016, 10:56:18 AM
Large numbers of construction projects were put on hold pre-Brexit, with a view to them getting underway if we decided to remain. In the current economic climate, any developer would be a fool to even consider starting a scheme like the Tudno Castle. All these things are interlinked and things like Brexit and the current economic chaos we find ourselves in even have an effect in an out-of-the-way place like Llandudno.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on July 05, 2016, 11:59:04 AM
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I think a bit of interest into why the Tudno castle is delayed or in depth look into MBI or what does town need to attract large investors ,ok they will not upset CCBC and will not upset Mostyn estates so no chance of any interesting articles

A sort of link between MBI and investment.
"MBi Consulting was created for the provision of professional services to property developers, managing all aspects of a project from design through to sales, with release to an international purchaser network.

At this time, the UK was experiencing a time of economic downturn, causing developers to look for alternatives to traditional bank loan options . The natural step was to look to the private market where sophisticated, high net-worth individuals were looking to purchase in the buy-to-let sector. Today, MBi have evolved into both developer and operator of our own facilities in UK care sector."

From todays DP.
Investors are being offered the chance to buy a room in an historic Conwy Valley mansion under a multi-million plan to redevelop the site.
MBi Consulting bought the accountancy school and wedding venue in the Conwy Valley last October for more than £1m after it was put up for sale by owner John Anderson.
They re-opened the site for weddings and revealed they wanted to transform the site into a luxury hotel and spa.

Now investors can buy into the deal with rooms on offer - priced between £50,000 for a standard double to £180,000 for an “ultra premium” suite.
The scheme is being marketed with Properties of the World with claims of a 10% return per annum and two weeks use of the room each year.
They said: “Backed by an outstanding and reputable developer, this development will surely become North Wales’ most exclusive hotel.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/would-you-pay-180000-hotel-11566052 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/would-you-pay-180000-hotel-11566052)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Blongb on July 05, 2016, 08:33:25 PM
I wonder if their financial advisor is called Mr Ponzi by any chance?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on July 05, 2016, 10:04:43 PM
So what happens if they can't sell all the rooms ,has been said they are struggling financially.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on July 11, 2016, 10:37:54 AM
Seaside towns need support to help them 'fight back from decades of decay'.

The British Hospitality Association (BHA) claims that people living in coastal towns across the UK are more likely to be poorly educated, suffer unemployment and face other challenges.

It states that 645,606 people live in coastal areas in Wales. A total of 98,221 people in the nation's coastal local authorities work in the hospitality sector.

Research by the owners of Butlin’s and the BHA found that more than half of the British public have not visited the British seaside in the past three years – with 65% thinking that the seaside is run down and in need of investment.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/seaside-towns-need-support-help-11594142 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/seaside-towns-need-support-help-11594142)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on July 11, 2016, 01:51:36 PM
Maybe some EU money Steve? ....... oh wait!
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on July 11, 2016, 01:59:20 PM
Now, now, Fester;  remember, we're all £350m better off as country, or perhaps a bit less - okay, a lot less, so there's bound to be loads left over for seaside towns, once they've finished ploughing the billions promised into the NHS, provided the Farmers with their huge subsidies and done all the other wonderful things we can do as the world's fifth largest economy - or is that 6th, now? Oh well, at least we;ve sill got that triple A credit rating. Sorry, AA- now. Well, the exports should be much easier now the pound has dropped so much. If, of course, we had much to export, since we're a net importer. Okay, F: you were right...
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on July 11, 2016, 02:13:33 PM
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Maybe some EU money Steve? ....... oh wait!

Well spotted  .....“31 other European countries currently benefit from a reduced rate of tourism VAT”.

Another point from the same article....."A Welsh Government  fund is helping many coastal towns and just earlier this week we invited applications for the £3.4m Big Lottery fund’s Coastal Communities Fund.”......I wonder who sent in our application.          &shake&
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on August 05, 2016, 06:41:03 AM
Who has bought the Lindens ?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on August 07, 2016, 07:37:02 PM
Just had a phone call from a friend who's mother comes to Llandudno by coach and stays at the Merrion. She has had a letter to say that they are no longer taking coach trips and no longer offering an evening meal.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Thanks
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on August 07, 2016, 08:48:10 PM
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Just had a phone call from a friend who's mother comes to Llandudno by coach and stays at the Merrion. She has had a letter to say that they are no longer taking coach trips and no longer offering an evening meal.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Thanks

Nem, a few regulars of mine have mentioned that to be the case, also regular guests at the Merrion.
They are disappointed, but they were given notice of this months ago.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on August 08, 2016, 10:34:47 AM
Thanks Fes. I think that this person was trying to book a coach trip in the Autumn, so had only just been told.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on August 10, 2016, 12:05:36 PM
Queens Hotel, Llandudno
A PROMINENT Llandudno hotel has been acquired by a property development company.

Leisure property specialists Fleurets acted on behalf of Devoy Hotels in the marketing of the Queens Hotel in Llandudno, which has been operated by the Devoy family for more than 36 years and has now been acquired by Northern Powerhouse Developments.   (MBI ?)
The Queens Hotel was marketed on a discreet basis by Fleurets, and the property’s virtual freehold was sold off a guide price of £3 million.

The purchaser Gavin Woodhouse, chairman of Northern Powerhouse Developments, said: "We are delighted to have secured ownership of this iconic hotel and are looking forward to continuing the success the Devoy family have enjoyed for nearly 40 years.

"The Queens enjoys an enviable position in the heart of this famous seaside town and together with our hotel management group Giant Hospitality, we plan to invest even further in the hotel to ensure it attracts the next generation of holidaymakers. Northern Powerhouse Developments who also oversaw the £6 million refurbishment of the neighbouring boutique Llandudno Bay Hotel last year, have received huge credit for their sympathetic development of hotels in north Wales and across the UK.”

Gavin Woodhouse added: "It is our intention to build upon the success the Llandudno Bay Hotel has enjoyed, and while The Queens will attract a different type of guest we want to make it the ultimate destination for families to come and stay and enjoy all that Llandudno has to offer.”

In addition to the Queens and Llandudno Bay Hotel, Northern Powerhouse Developments have also secured ownership of two other hotels in north Wales: Caer Rhun Hall and the Belmont Hotel.  ref Pioneer

Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip....Tudno Castle
Post by: SteveH on September 07, 2016, 10:12:15 AM
A multi-million pound hotel and retail development in Llandudno will start before Christmas.
The complex £10m re-development of the derelict Tudno Castle Hotel in Llandudno has been hit by delays.
But now landowners Mostyn Estates say foundation testing has been taking place and work will start on the development before the festive period.

Edward Hiller, managing director of landowner Mostyn Estates, said: “Work on the ground will start this side of Christmas.

Premier Inn wants Beefeater restaurant at Llandudno's Tudno Castle hotel development
“Foundation testing is now underway on the site to establish the foundations required for the development.

“We are now at the detailed stage of the project.
“This is a major development that will change the whole dynamic of this part of Llandudno dramatically.”
MORE   http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-re-11851537 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-re-11851537)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on September 08, 2016, 09:02:20 AM
Good...will make a massive difference at that end of town.  $good$
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: garth on September 10, 2016, 02:55:44 PM
Does anybody know what is going on with the property that used to be the Orme Court hotel on abbey road.The last time I was around that area,the building looked as though it was being gutted.Is it going to reopen as a hotel? or is it being redeveloped for some other purpose.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Meleri on September 10, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
It's being converted into apartments. If you want to view the plans go on the Conwy County Borough Council Planning portal and put in Application 0/42376.

Meleri
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: garth on September 10, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
 Thanks for replying meleri
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on September 16, 2016, 12:11:52 PM
An expanding hospitality group has snapped up a promenade hotel in Llandudno .
The Manor Hotel was put up for sale with Fleurets by former owner Mark Richard with a guide price of £595,000.
It has been bought up by A2P Hospitality Limited - their sixth hotel investment in the UK and the first in Wales.

The prominent site on the North Shore has 18 letting rooms, a public bar, dining room, private accommodation as well as private gardens.
A2P Hospitality Limited is run by Pradeep Sobti, Abhishek Gupta and Akshay Sobti.
A spokesman said: “We are really excited to be a part of Wales and the beautiful town of Llandudno.

"We aim to be a part of the strong local community and will endeavour to take the Manor to higher levels of service and hospitality.” refDP
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on September 27, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
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The old West Shore Hotel is up for sale at £1.3m, with PP for redevelopment into 9 apartments.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-39662670.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-39662670.html)

Building covered in scaffolding and lot's of work going on.

"Offered for sale as a development opportunity, this ocean front hotel is subject to a proposed redevelopment comprising 9 two bedroom apartments."
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Post by: born2run on December 07, 2016, 04:44:02 PM
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/betws-y-coed-cat-killed--12286286 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/betws-y-coed-cat-killed--12286286)

This hotel let the cat out of the bag. Then killed it! Terrible PR for them what a stupid thing to do. :o
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Post by: SteveH on January 09, 2017, 12:48:38 PM
I read this article a while ago.....  Llandudno's St George's Hotel plans luxury rooftop suites.... http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-st-georges-hotel-plans-10068028 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-st-georges-hotel-plans-10068028)

However I have found this item, fact or fiction......
Luxury Llandudno Hotel development spurs a Seafront Super Casino by Royal Appointment!
http://www.stgeorgeswales.co.uk/blog/2016/03/31/super-casio-llandudno/ (http://www.stgeorgeswales.co.uk/blog/2016/03/31/super-casio-llandudno/)
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Post by: Dave on January 09, 2017, 01:37:43 PM
Is it April 1st already !
Bengal Tigers and Zebras, extra car parking on top of the Orme.  _))* _))* _))* _))*
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Post by: Fester on January 09, 2017, 05:17:15 PM
Obviously a spoof,  and with terrible spelling mistakes too.
The St George have been guilty of such spoofs in the past, for social media publicity purposes... they were going to buy the pier remember??
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on March 15, 2017, 10:09:23 AM
Llandudno's Tudno Castle Hotel redevelopment starts with Premier Inn, Prezzo and Beafeater coming to the site

After delays starting the multi-million pound scheme work has now commenced.
They have appointed Bowmer & Kirkland as main contractors and work has now started on the hotel and restaurants, which will create around 100 jobs once completed.

Mostyn Estates managing director Edward Hiller said: “The build period will take circa 18 months and initially repairs to the Grade 2 listed façade will take place prior to the commencement of the main build.
The hotel will have a reception area and Italian themed Prezzo Restaurant on the ground floor
and a Beafeater Restaurant on the lower ground floor.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-redevelopment-12742440 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-redevelopment-12742440)
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Post by: mull on March 15, 2017, 05:26:05 PM
Tudno Castle will be a 63 bedroom hotel .
Has there been any mention of car parking for the guests and staff or have I missed something.
Also parking needed for the diners and other staff on the site.
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Post by: Nemesis on March 15, 2017, 06:30:53 PM
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Tudno Castle will be a 63 bedroom hotel .
Has there been any mention of car parking for the guests and staff or have I missed something.
Also parking needed for the diners and other staff on the site.

If it is anything like Travelodge Parking is a free for all---chaos. People walk miles when they discover that there isn't a single allocated parking place and they end up nearly at West Shore.
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Post by: SteveH on March 17, 2017, 11:33:38 AM
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It's going to be renovated and reopened as a pub/restaurant:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/tal-y-cafn-pub-conwy-6752901 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/tal-y-cafn-pub-conwy-6752901)

Tal-y-Cafn pub's luxury log cabins plan for Conwy Valley site
The scheme would see cabins and a lodge built in the grounds.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/tal-y-cafn-pubs-luxury-12754900 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/tal-y-cafn-pubs-luxury-12754900)
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Post by: Hugo on March 17, 2017, 12:31:15 PM
Looks good Steve,  I was in the Tal Y Cafn Hotel yesterday having lunch and if the inside of the hotel is anything to go by then those log cabins should look very nice indeed.      $good$
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Post by: SteveH on April 09, 2017, 03:17:07 PM
Been for a walk down West shore today, noticed the old West Shore Hotel, now Admiral house looking very smart, lots of for sale signs up, when I got back, I looked up the details on the Beresford site, 9 flats at around £300,000 that's £2.700.000, the old hotel sold for about £500.000 and with no major exterior work, that's a hefty profit.

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Post by: Blongb on April 27, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
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Been for a walk down West shore today, noticed the old West Shore Hotel, now Admiral house looking very smart, lots of for sale signs up, when I got back, I looked up the details on the Beresford site, 9 flats at around £300,000 that's £2.700.000, the old hotel sold for about £500.000 and with no major exterior work, that's a hefty profit.


Just pray Waldrons application for the Pier Pavilion is refused, if not then watch the flood of applications from North Parade Hotels Owners putting in for change of use. Its utterly ridiculous for Hotel Property to be valued at £300,000 to £400,000  when if converted to apartments would push their value up to well over £1,500,000
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Post by: Hugo on April 27, 2017, 05:30:03 PM
You have got a valid point Blongb  and CCBC should be very careful on Waldron's application and be aware of the implications for other hotels and boarding houses in the town if his application is granted.
It would be better to have no building there rather than one that is totally inappropriate to that area or the town in general
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Post by: DaveR on April 28, 2017, 08:51:18 AM
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Been for a walk down West shore today, noticed the old West Shore Hotel, now Admiral house looking very smart, lots of for sale signs up, when I got back, I looked up the details on the Beresford site, 9 flats at around £300,000 that's £2.700.000, the old hotel sold for about £500.000 and with no major exterior work, that's a hefty profit.


Just pray Waldrons application for the Pier Pavilion is refused, if not then watch the flood of applications from North Parade Hotels Owners putting in for change of use. Its utterly ridiculous for Hotel Property to be valued at £300,000 to £400,000  when if converted to apartments would push their value up to well over £1,500,000
Thanks for the tip, Blongb. I shall start buying up failing/closed hotels along North Parade at rock bottom prices.  $good$  _))*
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Post by: Blongb on May 06, 2017, 03:41:17 AM
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Thanks for the tip, Blongb. I shall start buying up failing/closed hotels along North Parade at rock bottom prices.


I'll put you down for one of the finished apartments Dave, but it won't be at rock bottom prices, I'm afraid. D) 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on May 15, 2017, 05:27:53 PM
Llandudno's Belmont Hotel reopens after £1.3m refurb
The former guest house for the blind now includes a steakhouse restaurant open to the public.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/llandudnos-belmont-hotel-reopens-after-13036445 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/llandudnos-belmont-hotel-reopens-after-13036445)
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Post by: norman08 on May 15, 2017, 07:55:21 PM
I see they have decided not to change the name .
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Post by: DaveR on May 16, 2017, 12:10:11 PM
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Thanks for the tip, Blongb. I shall start buying up failing/closed hotels along North Parade at rock bottom prices.


I'll put you down for one of the finished apartments Dave, but it won't be at rock bottom prices, I'm afraid. D)
That's ok, good to see you will be making a nice profit out of the Pavilion redevelopment.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on May 17, 2017, 06:36:12 PM
My OH saw men filling a huge skip outside The Royal. :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on June 18, 2017, 11:35:30 AM
Rooftop rooms at Llandudno hotel open...take a look around them here
The penthouse rooms have been built on top of the St George's Hotel on the seafront.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/rooftop-rooms-llandudno-hotel-opentake-13195791 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/rooftop-rooms-llandudno-hotel-opentake-13195791)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on June 29, 2017, 09:21:21 AM
The wonderful John Humberstone of Alexandra Hotel fame, now looking after the Grand Ash, has hit the headlines once more with  his responses to guests on Trip Advisor (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-hoteliers-fawlty-esque-retort-13251110).  The review - which is as funny as his response - is here (https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g190724-d590166-r495080571-The_Grand_Ash-Llandudno_Conwy_County_North_Wales_Wales.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT).

I sometime wonder if he does this on purpose, simply to attract more people. I find his responses incredibly funny, though I appreciate others might not think so.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on June 29, 2017, 10:05:49 AM
I read that, and it led me to another 12 or so previous reviews.
Utterly hilarious, if it didn't represent those poor visitors lives being made a misery.
It seems he has learned nothing from the ridicule he received from that TV documentary.

He's obviously mentally ill, incompetent, or a combination of both.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on June 29, 2017, 10:07:54 AM
He's 59th out of 60 on trip adviser so it's got to be a big improvement on his last hotel.          ;D
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2017, 04:41:12 PM
I'm continually amazed how second rate hotels get away with charging so much for B&B here in the UK. No wonder Brits go abroad and foreign visitors to here probably hesitate coming back.
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Post by: SteveH on September 08, 2017, 10:02:34 AM
Brexit immigration limit a 'serious threat' to North Wales hotels, say businesses
Concerns about restrictions on lower-skilled migrants have been raised in Llandudno, where 75% of the workforce are from the EU.

"If they want a skilled work force and pay minimum wage then these people are not living in reality.  If they want a skilled workforce they need to invest in training and paying for skills.  Relying on cheap imported labour has partly driven the benefit culture we have today where kids think they are too good to get their hands dirty.."

Full article with comments...... http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/brexit-immigration-limit-serious-threat-13588901 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/brexit-immigration-limit-serious-threat-13588901)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on September 13, 2017, 11:42:24 AM
Any news on the Grand Ash? It seems to have been shut now for over a fortnight and most of the 'clutter' from the Alexander has gone from outside.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: norman08 on September 13, 2017, 12:02:42 PM
It will be all quite now as the owners have All gone back home .till next august .
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on September 13, 2017, 01:33:47 PM
Hope they aren't going to just leave it......it looks bad enough as it is. :o
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on February 14, 2018, 11:41:53 AM
There is good news about new ownership of the Grand Ash.
I’ve been requested not to say who at the moment,  but you’ll be happy, as it’s a current hotelier of good repute.  (Not LC though)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on February 14, 2018, 01:25:46 PM
It will certainly take some sorting out as according to the workmen it is totally rotten and falling down. !

Not exactly ownership though Fester :-X
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on February 14, 2018, 06:48:47 PM
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It will certainly take some sorting out as according to the workmen it is totally rotten and falling down. !

Not exactly ownership though Fester :-X

Not sure what you mean Nem, the new owners are sorting out it inside and out.
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Post by: Nemesis on February 14, 2018, 08:21:48 PM
Have sent you an e-mail .
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Post by: Fester on February 15, 2018, 01:52:43 PM
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Have sent you an e-mail .

Ain’t got no email Nem.
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Post by: Nemesis on February 15, 2018, 03:05:50 PM
Sorry Fes. Don't know where that went ! Will try and sort it.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on March 14, 2018, 11:59:22 AM
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This probably should be on the Hotel's thread, but to continue the theme, Italian restaurant chain Prezzo, earmarked for the new Tudno development is in trouble.
Prezzo set to close 100 restaurants in rescue attempt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43232491 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43232491)

Prezzo pull out of move to Llandudno's Tudno Castle Hotel.

Developers of the Tudno Castle Hotel site have been forced to undergo a rethink after one of the business planned for the site pulled out.

Prezzo announced last week it had entered company voluntary agreement (CVA) - a statutory procedure designed to help a company form a compromise or arrangement between it and its creditors - and would no longer be bringing a store to Llandudno.

Despite the announcement Tudno Castle developer Opus North said plans for the site were still progressing and the search was already underway to find a replacement for Prezzo

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/16085884.Prezzo_pull_out_of_move_to_Llandudno__39_s_Tudno_Castle_Hotel/ (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/16085884.Prezzo_pull_out_of_move_to_Llandudno__39_s_Tudno_Castle_Hotel/)
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Post by: Bri Roberts on March 14, 2018, 12:08:25 PM
I wonder does the eyesore need to remain an eyesore until such time as a replacement tenant is signed up?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on March 14, 2018, 12:25:09 PM
That's a good point Bri and if the building is as unsafe as the developers allege it was,  then it needs to be demolished sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
I think what's worrying is that we seem to be moving into a period of more and more business closures.
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Post by: Fester on March 27, 2018, 04:41:33 PM
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I think what's worrying is that we seem to be moving into a period of more and more business closures.

I wonder why?  Because when I warned about the lack of spending and general patronage in this area, I was shouted down.
I was also confronted by lots of links to Tourism reports which fanfare the burgeoning economy in this area, it’s boom time apparently.  Hmmm.    :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on March 27, 2018, 06:23:54 PM
Just take a minute to scan Right Move and see how many places in the hospitality trade are listed, especially in places like Chapel Street...................under the shadow of Travelodge ! :(
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on March 27, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
Nope; checked the figures for the past 10 years and it's no worse than usual. More very big names is the only difference, and that can't be associated directly with Llandudno.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on March 28, 2018, 10:21:00 AM
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Nope; checked the figures for the past 10 years and it's no worse than usual. More very big names is the only difference, and that can't be associated directly with Llandudno.

Oh, well that’s all right then. 
The figures for what?   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on March 28, 2018, 10:52:24 AM
Businesses going to the wall in the UK. I thought it was higher than usual, but it seems not.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: born2run on March 28, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
I haven't checked any figures but I have opened my eyes. The Victorian centre is so quiet it has apparently become haunted.
Go to any pub in town at a time that isn't Saturday night and you'll feel rather lonely, I thought there was twice as many people in the Keys on Monday but then realised i had glanced at a mirror  ££$

Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town?
We danced and sang, and the music played in a de boomtown
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on March 28, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
Back to hotel business....
My friend is a manager at one of the promenade hotels, and last weekend she welcomed a Charedi chap who had booked a double room.
Trouble is, he turned up with another 9 people, and said he expected the Hotel to provide mats for the others to sleep on.   :laugh:

‘Here’s your deposit back Sir.... good day’

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Post by: SteveH on March 28, 2018, 11:10:48 AM
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I haven't checked any figures but I have opened my eyes. The Victorian centre is so quiet it has apparently become haunted.
Go to any pub in town at a time that isn't Saturday night and you'll feel rather lonely, I thought there was twice as many people in the Keys on Monday but then realised i had glanced at a mirror  ££$

Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town?
We danced and sang, and the music played in a de boomtown


Read this yesterday.                 ( Lots of figures)  :(

Across the UK, people are spending more money on gin and craft beer, and there are more breweries open today than there were in the 1930s.
But 18 pubs across the country closed every week in the second half of 2017, according to The Campaign for Real Ale (Camra).
So how are UK drinking habits changing? What are the UK's favourite drinks and how often are adults drinking?

The decline has been blamed on a number of reasons - high taxes on pints, the smoking ban, the price of food and drink going up, and the 2008 recession meaning that consumers had less to spend in their local.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43492043 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43492043)
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Post by: Fester on March 28, 2018, 11:14:06 AM
I’ve just checked some other figures Steve, .... and I’ve just enough for a pint, so I’m going out.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: born2run on March 28, 2018, 11:26:00 AM
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Back to hotel business....
My friend is a manager at one of the promenade hotels, and last weekend she welcomed a Charedi chap who had booked a double room.
Trouble is, he turned up with another 9 people, and said he expected the Hotel to provide mats for the others to sleep on.   :laugh:

‘Here’s your deposit back Sir.... good day’

Who let Jeremy Corbyn on the forum?  :rage:
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Post by: DaveR on March 29, 2018, 08:28:17 AM
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Back to hotel business....
My friend is a manager at one of the promenade hotels, and last weekend she welcomed a Charedi chap who had booked a double room.
Trouble is, he turned up with another 9 people, and said he expected the Hotel to provide mats for the others to sleep on.   :laugh:

‘Here’s your deposit back Sir.... good day’

Who let Jeremy Corbyn on the forum?  :rage:
It's amusing to hear Corbyn speak on things like anti-semitism and brexit. He just can't bring himself to condemn either with any enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Ian on March 29, 2018, 09:25:51 AM
The worrying thing is the Tories are in such disarray he could become PM by default...
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: llewelyn on March 29, 2018, 03:04:41 PM
Don't know who frightens me the most, Corbyn or Putin, at least Putin will kill us quickly  :(
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on March 29, 2018, 07:23:09 PM
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The worrying thing is the Tories are in such disarray he could become PM by default...

Come on Ian, don't even joke about it.         &shake&          It's just unthinkable what damage he could do to the UK
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: SteveH on July 31, 2018, 03:53:00 PM
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There is good news about new ownership of the Grand Ash.
I’ve been requested not to say who at the moment,  but you’ll be happy, as it’s a current hotelier of good repute.  (Not LC though)

I passed today, a serious amount of work going on inside and out, good to see, (I wonder if the colour scheme gives a hint.)
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on July 31, 2018, 05:19:20 PM
hotel opposite Belmont is under offer,the blue corner one
 
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 31, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
The Minydon?
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on July 31, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
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There is good news about new ownership of the Grand Ash.
I’ve been requested not to say who at the moment,  but you’ll be happy, as it’s a current hotelier of good repute.  (Not LC though)

I passed today, a serious amount of work going on inside and out, good to see, (I wonder if the colour scheme gives a hint.)

Serious amount of fixtures and fittings gone into the skip over the last week--------------pottery, kettles and such.
Only last week the skip was overflowing with bricks, stone and breeze-blocks. Goodness knows where it is all coming from !!!
We pass every night with the dog and it never seems to be getting on at all...wouldn't want the bills !
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on August 22, 2018, 06:44:44 AM
What is the score with the Royal hotel,can;t find it for sale on any web sites.It is the most perfect wedding location it has a pub can;t believe no interest.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Nemesis on August 22, 2018, 09:41:44 AM
Contact Cllr Louise Emery. She told us that it was going to be turned into a training facility for the hospitality trade. This is a while since so things might have changed.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Fester on August 23, 2018, 01:14:23 AM
The LC people were lining up to buy it, but they gave up on it.
I now hear that the LC group are to buy The Gresham bar.
It’s been terrible for a few years now, so hopefully they’ll weave their magic and it will be worth going in there again.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: wrex on September 04, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
I notice there is no hurry to start the re-build of the Tudno Castle,i suppose they need more time to work it out,will not be suprised to see it empty for a while.
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: Hugo on September 04, 2018, 10:12:26 PM
I drove past the site today for the first time in a long while and it looks much better now that  the whole thing has come down.    They have got the application they applied for so there shouldn't be any delay in building the new property .....  unless of course they are already consideration an amendment to the application?

I went past their other property the old Llandudno Youth Club and they seem to be demolishing it tile by tile and that could end up as an eyesore for some time to come
Title: Re: Hotel News & Gossip
Post by: DaveR on September 06, 2018, 09:07:21 AM
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I notice there is no hurry to start the re-build of the Tudno Castle,i suppose they need more time to work it out,will not be suprised to see it empty for a while.
Starting in October, i think?
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Post by: SteveH on September 18, 2018, 04:45:02 PM
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I notice there is no hurry to start the re-build of the Tudno Castle,i suppose they need more time to work it out,will not be suprised to see it empty for a while.
Starting in October, i think?

Quote from the Pioneer.

"Now the Tudno Castle Hotel is no longer and work to rebuild a new one will begin at the end of the month.

Developer Opus North's James Farnaby said: "We are very pleased that the demolition of the former building has been completed. Construction will start on the new building at the end of the month."

Developers are also currently in talks to find a new restaurant to replace Prezzo, which was lined up as one of the eateries for the new Tudno Castle Hotel.

Mr Farnaby added: "We are in discussions with a number of different restaurant operators and expect to have good news for Llandudno residents soon.”