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The Local => Times Past => Topic started by: DaveR on September 03, 2010, 05:58:45 PM

Title: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pavilion, Promenade & Pier
Post by: DaveR on September 03, 2010, 05:58:45 PM
Couple of Postcards to kick things off. If you have any to contribute, please feel free to add them.

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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 03:09:42 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 05:27:49 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 05:34:43 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 05:45:09 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 05:49:17 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 05:53:33 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 05:57:17 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:01:03 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:10:05 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:14:58 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:19:18 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:23:08 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:27:24 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:32:03 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:36:20 AM
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Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2010, 06:54:59 AM
Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier  Z**
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Post by: DaveR on September 09, 2010, 09:03:03 AM
Fair play to you, you always have a couple I've not seen before.  8)

Do you mind if I add a few into the Forum Gallery?
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Post by: Trojan on September 10, 2010, 08:42:10 PM
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Fair play to you, you always have a couple I've not seen before.  8)

Do you mind if I add a few into the Forum Gallery?

Oh no, I don't mind, be my guest.  ;)
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Post by: Trojan on September 15, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
Here's an  *&( view of the original pier.
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Post by: DaveR on September 19, 2010, 07:29:01 PM
An  *&( shot of the Pier entrance in the 1950s:

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Post by: Trojan on September 20, 2010, 07:17:29 AM
The pier circa 1910. Note the throngs of passengers who have just disembarked the steamer docked at the pier head.
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Post by: DaveR on September 20, 2010, 09:20:51 AM
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The pier circa 1910. Note the throngs of passengers who have just disembarked the steamer docked at the pier head.
This could be the scene in a year or two if the Landing Stage can be repaired and those cruise liners start calling. I can see Fester rubbing his hands together already...
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Post by: Fester on September 20, 2010, 11:09:16 PM
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Here's an  *&( view of the original pier.

What great condition the Ironwork was in back then ....now half of those X struts lay rusting in the sea ...
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Post by: DaveR on September 21, 2010, 08:54:42 PM
St Seiriol at Llandudno Pier in 1913
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Post by: DaveR on September 25, 2010, 10:45:00 AM
Nice aerial photo of the Pier & Happy Valley, looks to date from the early 1990s:
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Post by: Ian on September 25, 2010, 11:02:07 AM
For one summer season, there was a helicopter offering rides which operated out of the old Cafe on the zig zags. Wonder if that was it?
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Post by: Trojan on September 25, 2010, 11:39:39 AM
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For one summer season, there was a helicopter offering rides which operated out of the old Cafe on the zig zags. Wonder if that was it?

Looks like it was taken by RAF Rescue helicopter to me Ian.  <:>
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Post by: Ian on September 25, 2010, 02:14:55 PM
Almost certainly a helicopter of some sort, anyway.
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Post by: DaveR on September 30, 2010, 10:12:09 PM
Grand Hotel under construction:
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Post by: Fester on September 30, 2010, 10:36:19 PM
Totally captivating picture that Dave,

I've seen it before, (and it would sell very well as a print methinks !!)

I am always amazed at how casual those construction workers are,  what would H&S say about all this?

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Post by: Quiggs on September 30, 2010, 11:55:13 PM
If you ever read 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressel, you will realise what their working conditions were like.
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Post by: Fester on October 01, 2010, 12:11:30 AM
Read it?   How could I read it?   That would mean teaching me to read .... my IQ is too low, remember Mr Quiggs?

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Post by: Quiggs on October 01, 2010, 12:19:44 AM
I wasn't being facetious Fester, just thought it an opportunity to point out what the Victorian workers had to endure to make a living.
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Post by: Fester on October 01, 2010, 12:50:51 AM
Everything is relative to its time though Quiggs.

I mean, those who built The Grand, would count themselves incredibly lucky when compared to those who built,say, Conwy Castle.

Imagine having to WALK from Yorkshire in a February, to get to Wales by March ....(hoping your wife and kids might still be alive when (and if) you return home) .... hauling blocks of stone up ricketty scaffolding, all for fourpence a week.
Then having to walk all the way home in November without someone stealing your coins!

We have no idea, have we?   these days we face reduced pensions,  appraisals, and horror of horrors ...the coffee machine had no sugar in!




 
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Post by: Ian on October 01, 2010, 07:56:56 AM
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I am always amazed at how casual those construction workers are,  what would H&S say about all this?

On the original it's possible to see the workers at the topmost level leaning casually against the spires and wearing ties, waistcoats and smoking pipes. The tradesmen always - it seems - wore ties and suits when working.
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Post by: DaveR on October 01, 2010, 08:12:21 AM
It's not a great quality copy, I'm afraid, it's actually a photo I took of a print from one of the photo folders at the Rest & Be Thankful. Would be great to see the original version.
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Post by: Ian on October 01, 2010, 09:17:31 AM
I'll fish it out  - hint taken   D)
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Post by: DaveR on October 06, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
I was talking to Fester today and he told me that you could still see the remains of the original wooden piles of the original 1858 Pier. So, we had a look over the side and, sure enough, we found two remnants of the original pier piles, little more than stumps of wood now. Impressive to think that they've lasted all this time though.

The original wooden pier of 1858:
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Post by: Fester on October 06, 2010, 10:27:32 PM
Utterly fascinating ...  but I bet the arcade on there was rubbish!

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Post by: Trojan on October 07, 2010, 06:26:17 AM
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Utterly fascinating ...  but I bet the arcade on there was rubbish!

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You should have seen the size of those Penny Pusher machines!  L0L
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Post by: Trojan on October 07, 2010, 09:04:54 PM
Noticed this photograph from 1922 on the fotoLIBRA website. I've never seen a child seat of that nature atop one of the Llandudno donkeys before.
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Post by: DaveR on October 07, 2010, 11:56:13 PM
That;s a a good find, mate!
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Post by: DaveR on October 08, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
Here's that photo of the original 1858 Llandudno Pier:
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Post by: DaveR on October 08, 2010, 08:16:45 PM
Nice shot of Llandudno Pier circa 1890:
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Compare with this modern shot:
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Llandudno Pier, Llandudno, North Wales (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/35876804/) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: Don Meek on October 13, 2010, 04:26:53 AM
 
 Hi Trojan!  I notice that photo number 2 of the old penny, happens to be a ''Honolulu Penny'' - my old man, used to show them to me!

 It was many years before I realised what he was saying.

The Trident the Queen was holding, was,  yes!

You've guessed it  - honolulu.     

Dontheturner
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Post by: Trojan on October 13, 2010, 09:08:14 PM
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 Hi Trojan!  I notice that photo number 2 of the old penny, happens to be a ''Honolulu Penny'' - my old man, used to show them to me!

 It was many years before I realised what he was saying.

The Trident the Queen was holding, was,  yes!

You've guessed it  - honolulu.     

Dontheturner

Welcome to the forum Don.....I'm glad the penny dropped.  ;D

Pennies had Brittania sitting on her throne on the 'tails' side of a penny, holding a trident in her left hand, (thats as in Neptune, not Triumph bikes), and a shield with the union jack on it down at her right side.

Now the position of the trident varied with different issues of the penny, with most, the end of the trident most definitely rested on the ground just in front of her.

With other issues the end of the trident rested on her..... er........well, 'honolulu'.
  :-X
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Post by: suepp on October 20, 2010, 07:50:56 PM
I've got a photo with a similar seat, which I had not noticed before!
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Post by: Trojan on October 20, 2010, 07:58:43 PM
That looks like the same man! 1920's maybe judging by his hat?  *&(
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Post by: DaveR on October 20, 2010, 08:36:03 PM
Perhaps we should revive the fashion for wearing straw boater hats...  ?{}?
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Post by: Fester on October 20, 2010, 09:31:37 PM
Totally agree...
Especially if this is what you find underneath one !!!
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Post by: Trojan on October 20, 2010, 09:39:04 PM
Boater Hats are becoming popular in other areas. 
Title: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pier Pavilion
Post by: DaveR on October 22, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
Not seen this Postcard of the Pavilion's interior before - the Pier Orchestra is playing:

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Post by: DaveR on October 22, 2010, 09:33:16 PM
Grand Hotel & Pier in 1932:

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Post by: DaveR on October 23, 2010, 08:54:45 PM
Three shots taken from the Liberal Party Conference held at the Pier Pavilion in 1962:

Back of the Auditorium - not quite as I remember it...
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The ornate plasterwork of the Proscenium Arch can be seen at the left of the photo:
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Outside the Pavilion...still looking smart in those days:
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Post by: Trojan on October 24, 2010, 05:47:21 AM
 $cool$
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Post by: DaveR on October 24, 2010, 07:07:08 PM
Excellent detailed shot of the Pavilion - lots to see at full size:

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Post by: DaveR on October 24, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Grand Hotel circa 1910:

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Post by: Pendragon on October 24, 2010, 07:33:24 PM
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Boater Hats are becoming popular in other areas. 
_))* _))* _))* _))*  really tickled me that  L0L
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Post by: Pendragon on October 24, 2010, 07:36:09 PM
excellent Dave, I love old photos
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Post by: DaveR on October 26, 2010, 08:33:10 PM
One of the original Promenade shelters - can we have these back please?  D)

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Post by: DaveR on October 26, 2010, 08:54:42 PM
This is one of the clearest old photo of the Pavilion I have, click on it to see the full size version. Must have been taken prior to 1890 as the Pavilion still has its Glass Roof which was replaced by a zinc one in 1890, owing to the fact the glass one made the Pavilion too difficult to heat.

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I also recently found out that, in 1969, the remains of the original swimming baths in the basement of the Pavilion were being removed to make way for a Ghost Train Ride - workmen uncovered a plaque marking the completion of work on the pier back in 1878, it read:

Engineers: James Brunlees C.E., Alexander MacKerrow C.E.,
Resident: H. Neal C.E.
1878
John Dixon C.E., London
Contractors

I wonder what happened to this plaque?
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Post by: Trojan on October 26, 2010, 11:17:19 PM
Funny you should say that........
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Post by: Trojan on October 27, 2010, 02:27:40 AM
What does Montserrat signify on the gable-end of the pavilion Dave?
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Post by: Trojan on October 27, 2010, 02:34:54 AM
Here's one of the pavilion under construction:
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Post by: Trojan on October 27, 2010, 02:37:40 AM
Victorian ironwork at it's best:
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Post by: Trojan on October 27, 2010, 02:42:19 AM
A B&W photo of it's destruction by fire in 1994:
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Post by: Trojan on October 27, 2010, 02:45:52 AM
Some colour ones:

I remember it was a chilly evening and there was a frost in the air, however, even standing near the Ted-yr-Ogof memorial on the promenade, the heat from the fire was immense.

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Post by: Trojan on October 27, 2010, 07:23:56 AM
Two views of an empty pavilion interior. Note the stage is set for the resident orchestra.
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Post by: Trojan on October 27, 2010, 08:09:42 AM
May Day celebrations were generally held in the Happy Valley. However, during inclement weather, the festivities were moved indoors into the pier pavilion.

This postcard circa 1907, shows dancing around the maypole, to a packed pavilion audience.
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Post by: DaveR on October 27, 2010, 08:16:58 AM
The Montserrat sign advertised a Lime fruit juice cordial that was popular at the time, apparently. Seems an odd place for a big advert, as it is largely blocked by the Baths Hotel.
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Post by: Trojan on October 27, 2010, 08:23:37 AM
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The Montserrat sign advertised a Lime fruit juice cordial that was popular at the time, apparently. Seems an odd place for a big advert, as it is largely blocked by the Baths Hotel.

Ah, "Fill me a tankard"  $drink$

What shall I drink?

"We counsel the public (especially in summer) to drink Montserrat in preference to any form of alcohol"  :-X
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Post by: DaveR on October 27, 2010, 08:37:00 AM
That's a good find, I had a quick look just now for a bottle or advert and couldn't see anything.  $thanx$
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Post by: DaveR on October 27, 2010, 08:39:50 AM
What's always puzzled me is how few photos/postcards there are of the interior of the Pavilion, apart from a few early ones. I've never seen any from about the 1920s onwards but surely there must have been many taken? Where are they all?  ?{}?
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Post by: DaveR on October 28, 2010, 06:53:04 PM
This is a photo I took back in about 1990 of a fire being tackled in the Grand Hotel, notably mainly for the view it offers of the sadly neglected Pavilion at that time:

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Post by: Fester on October 28, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
I have always wondered, given the intensity of the 1994 fire ...(as described by Trojan) .. how come The Grand itself didn't go up in flames too?

Must have been a terribly nerve wracking time ... and I reckon many locals will have felt very sick in the following days...


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Post by: DaveR on October 28, 2010, 07:52:32 PM
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I have always wondered, given the intensity of the 1994 fire ...(as described by Trojan) .. how come The Grand itself didn't go up in flames too?

Must have been a terribly nerve wracking time ... and I reckon many locals will have felt very sick in the following days...
Only one thing saved the Grand...the wind was blowing the other way. That's why the windows in the hotels on Happy Valley Road exploded with the heat but the Grand was unscathed.
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Post by: DaveR on October 28, 2010, 09:01:12 PM
A tale of decline....

1975:
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1982:
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1983:
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Post by: DaveR on October 28, 2010, 09:17:17 PM
Some more photos from 1989, when the Pier was hosting the ITV Telethon:

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Post by: DaveR on November 27, 2010, 10:33:05 AM
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Post by: DaveR on January 22, 2011, 08:34:57 PM
One of my fave old postcards:

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Post by: DaveR on January 25, 2011, 08:49:24 PM
This postcard of the Pierhead is interesting as it shows the original Bandstand (still present today) but without the Pavilion (now the amusement arcade) which was added later.

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How it looks today, you can clearly see the original Bandstand to the right and the Pavilion extension to the left:

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Seaside Special (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4315778503/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: Fester on January 26, 2011, 07:32:27 PM
Brilliant postcard and picture.... finally NOW I can see way passengers used to go through that canopy, down those stairs and on the the steamships.

You have told me before, but I can really picture those halcyon days now.

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Post by: DaveR on January 26, 2011, 10:27:46 PM
The Good Old Days!

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Post by: Trojan on January 27, 2011, 02:13:06 AM
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Brilliant postcard and picture.... finally NOW I can see way passengers used to go through that canopy, down those stairs and on the the steamships.

You have told me before, but I can really picture those halcyon days now.


I remember going down those stairs to embark the Isle of Man steam ships.
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Post by: DaveR on January 27, 2011, 08:25:14 AM
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Brilliant postcard and picture.... finally NOW I can see way passengers used to go through that canopy, down those stairs and on the the steamships.

You have told me before, but I can really picture those halcyon days now.


I remember going down those stairs to embark the Isle of Man steam ships.
What year would that have been?
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Post by: Trojan on January 28, 2011, 01:59:48 AM
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Brilliant postcard and picture.... finally NOW I can see way passengers used to go through that canopy, down those stairs and on the the steamships.

You have told me before, but I can really picture those halcyon days now.


I remember going down those stairs to embark the Isle of Man steam ships.
What year would that have been?

Must have been 1970/71.
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Post by: DaveR on January 28, 2011, 08:14:04 AM
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I remember going down those stairs to embark the Isle of Man steam ships.
What year would that have been?

Must have been 1970/71.
Interesting. I always thought those steps were removed when they rebuilt the Landing Stage in 1969 but maybe it was later. The walkway bit is till there under the Pavilion.
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Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2011, 09:52:32 AM
A walk on the pier in 1957:

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Post by: Trojan on January 31, 2011, 05:31:40 PM
One from the 1920's
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Post by: Trojan on January 31, 2011, 05:51:53 PM
My favorite Isle of Man Steam Packet vessel, King Orry at the pier head, showing the pre-1969 landing stage:
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Post by: Trojan on January 31, 2011, 05:54:10 PM
Here she is in colour:
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Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2011, 07:17:29 PM
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My favorite Isle of Man Steam Packet vessel, King Orry at the pier head, showing the pre-1969 landing stage:
Looking of those pictures reminds me...didn't the Pier Manager (or Piermaster I think he was called), along with his staff, all wear naval uniforms at one time?
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Post by: DaveR on February 01, 2011, 08:22:22 PM
Advert for the Pier from 1950:

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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 01, 2011, 08:34:59 PM
I see Cyril Fletcher was on the bill, I remember him well on 'That's Life' many years ago
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Post by: DaveR on February 01, 2011, 08:41:03 PM
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I see Cyril Fletcher was on the bill, I remember him well on 'That's Life' many years ago
That's right. Betty Astell (second on the bill) was his wife.
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier
Post by: Trojan on February 09, 2011, 05:03:58 AM
A Valentines postcard showing a bathchair being pushed along the pier:

This type of chair on wheels was devised by James Heath of Bath in around 1750 and for the next 75 years it rivalled the sedan chair in its popularity. It was mainly intended for use by invalids or elderly people. The example below is of the commonest variety with two wheels joined by an axle beneath the seat, with a small pivoting wheel in front supporting it. The chair could be pushed from behind and steered by the long rod connected to the front wheels and controlled by the occupant. The whole chair was designed with flowing lines. The bath chair was especially popular in Victorian times and used at seaside resorts. Some bath chairs had sliding hoods to protect the traveller from wind and rain. [Source: Tenby Museum and Art Gallery]
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 09, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
A Victorian version of a Mobility scooter!
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Post by: Nemesis on February 09, 2011, 09:20:44 AM
Bet they didn't travel as rapidly !!
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier
Post by: Trojan on February 10, 2011, 01:25:27 AM
If you go forward in time, little has changed in Llandudno.
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Post by: Llechwedd on February 10, 2011, 02:33:41 PM
Yes you're right Dave.  I think in the 50's the Pier Master was  a Robin Williams (not the band) and he word a navy uniform with white peaked cap.  Don't remember the crew though.
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2011, 02:47:46 PM
If I remember correctly an old lady, now long gone, used to chat to us as she took her daily stroll. She lived permanently at the Royal in Church Walks and said that her son had been pier master. Wonder if it was the same?
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Post by: Fester on February 11, 2011, 12:11:43 AM
Thats interesting Nemesis...
In my day there were always ''residents'' in hotels,  who lived there permanently.
Shades of Mrs Tibbs and The Major on Fawlty Towers?

What happened to permanent hotel residents?   How did it come about in the first place?

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Post by: DaveR on February 11, 2011, 08:25:29 AM
Back in those days, hotel costs were probably relatively cheaper, as staff costs were not nearly as high as they were now. So little old ladies on a decent pension or with investment income could afford to live in a hotel. The hotel benefits by having the guaranteed income and the residents gets a discount on the normal room rate. I'd love to live in a hotel, no cooking or cleaning to do.
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Post by: Ian on February 11, 2011, 08:49:46 AM
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What happened to permanent hotel residents?   How did it come about in the first place?

I think it still happens, but in slightly odder ways. There was an article some time ago about a couple who actually live in a Premier Inn, and I also know that there are people who live full-time in London hotels;  they simply move around when the fancy takes them.
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier
Post by: Blongb on February 11, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
It was not unknown in the first half of the last centaury for a guest to book a particular room or suite in a Hotel for the entire season, but only turn up and occupy it when the fancy took them, often without giving the Hotel prior notice of their arrival. It would as a by product provide various Hotel Managers with a very lucrative source of supplementary income by letting the room to passing trade when they were empty..... I think you will all be able to see where this thread is leading......  ))*
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Post by: Fester on February 11, 2011, 10:14:13 PM
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Back in those days, hotel costs were probably relatively cheaper, as staff costs were not nearly as high as they were now. So little old ladies on a decent pension or with investment income could afford to live in a hotel. The hotel benefits by having the guaranteed income and the residents gets a discount on the normal room rate. I'd love to live in a hotel, no cooking or cleaning to do.

Dave ... I can make your dream come true....  I hear that the The Clarence and The Tudno Castle have vacancies!!!!  L0L L0L L0L

Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier
Post by: Trojan on February 12, 2011, 12:59:26 AM
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Back in those days, hotel costs were probably relatively cheaper, as staff costs were not nearly as high as they were now. So little old ladies on a decent pension or with investment income could afford to live in a hotel. The hotel benefits by having the guaranteed income and the residents gets a discount on the normal room rate. I'd love to live in a hotel, no cooking or cleaning to do.

Dave ... I can make your dream come true....  I hear that the The Clarence and The Tudno Castle have vacancies!!!!  L0L L0L L0L


 _))*
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier
Post by: Trojan on February 15, 2011, 04:09:37 AM
Evening illuminations summer 1963:
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Post by: Trojan on February 15, 2011, 05:19:40 AM
Not as busy as the 50's, 60's or 70's, but this scene from June 1982 shows Llandudno was still a popular holiday destination:
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Post by: Trojan on February 15, 2011, 05:26:35 AM
Enquiry booth on Llandudno promenade, 1929. Two women bathers wrapped in towels wait at the window of this London, Midland & Scottish Railway promenade booth.
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Post by: Trojan on February 15, 2011, 05:28:57 AM
August 1935: Holidaymakers enjoying a game of leap-frog on the pier at Llandudno.
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Post by: Trojan on February 15, 2011, 06:24:25 AM
Bathing machines on the beach circa 1880. The Baths Hotel is visible in the distance.
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Post by: Trojan on February 15, 2011, 06:25:43 AM
The bandstand circa 1880:
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Post by: Trojan on February 15, 2011, 06:27:04 AM
The pier circa 1880:
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Post by: Fester on February 15, 2011, 11:30:12 PM
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The pier circa 1880:

This one needs to be framed and available for sale....

Just imagine what pristine condition it was in at that time....  I would love to have seen it.
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Post by: Trojan on February 16, 2011, 02:52:03 AM
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The pier circa 1880:

This one needs to be framed and available for sale....

Just imagine what pristine condition it was in at that time....  I would love to have seen it.


I thought you've just seen it?  ???

Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Promenade & Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 16, 2011, 08:14:38 AM
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The pier circa 1880:
Interesting to see the pierhead was much smaller than it is now. In that photo, the section between the cafe and toilets has not yet been built.
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pavilion, Promenade & Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 05, 2011, 08:22:19 PM
The Lady Of Mann, pictured just off the Pier in 2003:

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Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pavilion, Promenade & Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 08, 2011, 09:03:38 PM
Visit of the cruise liner 'Kungsholm' to the Pier in 1969. The Kungsholm was renamed the Europa and sank in Cadiz harbour in 1984

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Post by: Yorkie on March 08, 2011, 09:14:31 PM
Which tends to add substance to that old sailor's warning - that it is unlucky to change a ship's name!!!     L0L    L0L
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pavilion, Promenade & Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 09, 2011, 02:20:48 AM
In May 1968, the Llandudno lifeboat Lilly Wainwright, made international news when she went to the aid of the 314 ton pleasure steamer St.Trillo which, with a fouled propellor, was dragging her anchor and drifting towards the Little Orme. On board were 420 people, including 325 wealthy Americans from the Swedish liner Kungsholm. These annual visits by the sister ships Kungsholm or Gripsholm were advertised in the United States as being "for Americans who have seen everywhere else".

The “St. Trillo” was acting as tender to the Kungsholm, which was anchored 1 1/2 miles offshore and returning passengers to the ship as part of a “Spring Adventure Cruise”. Also on board the tender were several members of the Kungsholm's crew and aprox 50 local residents who had paid half a crown for a closer look at the liner. Events turned for the worse, when the St Trillo attempted to tie up alongside the Kungsholm the mooring rope from the Kungsholm became wrapped round the port propellor of the St.Trillo. As the St Trillo drifted away, her overworked starboard engine failed and was within minutes of striking the Little Orme. In worsening weather lifeboats from Llandudno, Rhyl and Moelfre stood by but the situation became serious when the ships doctor reported that at least three passengers needed emergency doses of insulin. By this time the Kungsholm had put to sea because of the northerly gale and it was into the teeth of this gale that the Lilly Wainwright set off in pursuit of the liner and collect insulin packs and syringes which were then transferred to the “St. Trillo”. With ropes attached to two lifeboats at the stern and the Conwy trawler Kilravock acting as a tug, the “St. Trillo” was later berthed at Llandudno Pier, from where the passengers were taken to a hotel for the night. The passengers expressed their gratitude to the crewmen by placing dollars to the value of £3,562.00 in a collecting box.
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Post by: suepp on March 09, 2011, 10:46:24 AM
I remember the American Liner and the sudden influx of Americans who would descend on the town, one of them stopped a group of us and asked us "what's the name of this city?" and he wrote down our answer asking us to spell it out, - "D as in Doughnut?"
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pavilion, Promenade & Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 09, 2011, 11:03:21 AM
I see that Holyhead have had another £250,000 from WAG to enable cruise liners to call. If only Llandudno could get a few quid to get its Landing Stage back into use, eh? Sadly, our elected representative doesn't seem that bothered:

"Conwy County Cllr Chris Hughes, who chaired a tourism destination working group, said: "I am delighted that more cruise ships will be coming.""
http://www.theonlinemail.co.uk/bangor-and-anglesey-news/local-bangor-and-anglesey-news/2011/03/09/new-cruise-ship-hopes-as-250-000-is-invested-in-holyhead-dredging-66580-28304802/ (http://www.theonlinemail.co.uk/bangor-and-anglesey-news/local-bangor-and-anglesey-news/2011/03/09/new-cruise-ship-hopes-as-250-000-is-invested-in-holyhead-dredging-66580-28304802/)

I don't recall him ever saying anything about Llandudno's Landing Stage? Maybe he's more concerned about things that go on several counties away rather than in Conwy County itself?  :o :laugh:

Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pavilion, Promenade & Pier
Post by: Jack on August 31, 2011, 10:48:15 PM
I'm guessing that this image of the war memorial was taken in the twenties, presumably not long after it was constructed, and with the amount of floral tributes - the pain of war still fresh in the memory.
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Post by: Jack on September 01, 2011, 01:55:37 PM
Childrens service at North Shore - looked nice and sandy back then  :)
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Post by: Trojan on September 08, 2011, 10:14:51 AM
Summer 1961
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 13, 2013, 11:49:26 AM
From a Sixties guide book

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Post by: DaveR on February 13, 2013, 02:18:36 PM
Does it say which year, Andy? To my mind, this is the quintessential shot of Llandudno in its heyday.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 13, 2013, 02:49:09 PM
Dave, I would estimate the year at around 1965, based on the cars, the Ford Anglia came out in 1959, so not earlier! I could not see a date in the book.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 13, 2013, 02:56:43 PM
I just tried to get the year by googling 'David Whitfield Gaytime' I regret that now, odd things appeared  :o :laugh:
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Post by: Bri Roberts on February 13, 2013, 03:40:00 PM
Fifty years ago, I used to be in the St John’s Ambulance and often worked out of that caravan you can see to the left of the Cenotaph.

I wonder if the fact that there is no Camera Obscura may give a clue to the year.
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Post by: Quiggs on February 13, 2013, 04:44:47 PM
If memory serves me right, the 'Camera Obscura' was burnt down at one time, if that has any relevance in dating the photo ?
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Post by: Bri Roberts on February 13, 2013, 05:44:05 PM
Camera Obscura Mk1 (1860 - 1966).
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Post by: ed jones on February 13, 2013, 06:36:56 PM
The boat alongside the jetty is the Sunbeam owned by Sam Lloyd Jones. David Whitfield did two U.K. tours one in 1961 the other in 1962 this picture must be 1961 as I think that the Sunbeam was scraped down to the bare wood and varnished for the 1962 season.
I was up the old town last Wednesday (for Harry's funeral) What a state the jetty is in!! $walesflag$
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pavilion, Promenade & Pier
Post by: Tosh on February 13, 2013, 06:53:36 PM
If my memory serves me right, David Whitfield was at Pensarn in July or August 1966.
There used to be a working men's club of some sort opposite Station Street and The Park pub.
I believe there was a bit of a fracas due to him giving some unwanted attention to a lady in the audience.
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Post by: ormegolf on February 13, 2013, 07:53:51 PM
   I don't know about the club you write about being a Working Mens Club. But I certainly remember the club. Fracas. I like that word. I don't know about the night you write about,  but ---- so what?
     There was a fracas every night.   Mike
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Post by: Fester on February 13, 2013, 11:57:35 PM
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I just tried to get the year by googling 'David Whitfield Gaytime' I regret that now, odd things appeared  :o :laugh:

That makes the top five list of the funniest ever posts on this Forum.   L0L L0L _))* _))*
Title: Re: Old Postcards - Llandudno Pavilion, Promenade & Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 14, 2013, 07:12:55 AM
Happy to oblige!  _))*