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Title: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: karenjadejoy on May 20, 2017, 11:03:33 pm
hello once again,
i am popping in here to ask other hughes families re a mary ann hughes marrying an Edmund Griffith Thomas (dob 1876 Bangor).
in Llandudno Dec 1900.
   
Do any of you other Hughes branches perhaps have a mary ann of your lines married to Mr Thomas? so i can either eliminate him or research a little deeper. to the connection.

researching My Mary ann hughes, dob 1876 Llandudno, parents Robert hughes and ann nee owen ( aunt of my grandmother margaret ann pearl Hughes.) i have her in the 1881 census and 1891 census in Llandudno. 

i am finding some folks on ancestry that have this marriage, (with my hughes line attached to her, but i think its more guesswork on their part, as likely wrong as right... but no confirmation or marriage certs as yet to confirm her parentage).

so any help or suggestions  would be appreciated that can eliminate this marriage or ....

Karen
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: PM on August 08, 2018, 07:22:49 am
Hi, My name is Paula.  I’m researching my family tree and wonder if there is a link with yours.  My grandmother was Edith Hughes, born around 1909 on the Great Orme, Llandudno. Her parents were William Hughes & Sarah (nee Jones).  Her siblings were Betty, George, Sarah, Ellen, Gwen, Jack, William, Lily, Peggy and Dilys.  I have other information if you’re interested.  I live in Suffolk but sometimes visit Wales to continue my research. Thanks.
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: karenjadejoy on August 08, 2018, 02:00:32 pm
hello,
im not sure if there's a link,

my Mary Hughes was the aunt of  Margaret Ann Pearl Hughes,  my grandmother. (see this topic http://www.threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2893.0.html (http://www.threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2893.0.html)).

Mary Ann did have a brother William Hughes. but i have hardly any info on him at all.

He was  b1887 Llandudno, died possibly 1935- uncorroborated,   and i do not know if he married at all or not.  he is mentioned on the memorial  named on the ww1 memorial - Glodaeth street - http://www.conwy.gov.uk/drwardetl.asp?cat=2435&doc=2710&mid=23&mid1=23 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/drwardetl.asp?cat=2435&doc=2710&mid=23&mid1=23)   and was the brother of my great grandfather Ishmae Hughes,  but wether its the same william as you have,    i have no idea,  hopefully you will find some info on the forum.
regards Karen .
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: Hugo on August 08, 2018, 03:32:07 pm
Paula, if you post the address where your Nain lived on the Great Orme it might ring a bell with someone on the forum.
My mother's maiden name was Hughes before she married my father who was also a Hughes but there is no connection with your family on either side of my family.
I did know of a George Hughes who lived in the West Shore area and a Jack Hughes  but the other names don't sound familiar to me.
Hope that you get some luck on here with your research
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: Jack on August 08, 2018, 06:08:12 pm
Karen, if I understand correctly you mention that William died circa 1935? If that is the case then he can't be one of the three William Hughes' listed on Llandudno war memorial as it only lists those that died on active service rather than those who served. Those who served, and survived the war, are listed on the town's Roll of Honour.


Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: karenjadejoy on August 08, 2018, 06:46:48 pm
Hi Jack,
Thanks for that info,  sorry i see that link no longer works,
but it is my William Hughes, on the list, but as it as in welsh i was never able to translate it,  to see if it was survivors,  or those that died,  so i am still not sure now if its on the war memorial or a list of survivors,  any info would be useful re that.
thanks for clearing that up for me,
Karen.

ive copied and pasted the info i had without all the names,  just my William below



Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919 Cofeb

Memorial: Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919 Cofeb

Location: Gloddaeth Street

War: First World War

Inscription
(A) Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919
Cofeb Siloh a Hyfrydle, Llandudno
Am y rhai a wmaeth eu rhan dros egnyddorion
Cyfiawnder, a Rhyddid, ac yr arbedwyd eu bywyd.


''A hwy a curant eu cleddyfau un sychau, a'u gwaywffyn yn bladuriau: ni chyfyd cenedl cleddyf yn erbyn genedl, ac ni ddysgant Ryfel Mwyach.''


   
Listed soldiers


Wm. Hughes    Baron Hill    -    -    
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: karenjadejoy on August 08, 2018, 07:11:23 pm

Hi Jack,
Thanks for that info,  sorry i see that link no longer works,
but it is my William Hughes,  baron hill, is on the list below , but as it as in welsh i was never able to translate it,   i might erronepously believe it was on the memorial tho it mentions list of survivors,,  any info would be useful re that.  for clarity,
cheers karen



ive copied and pasted the info i had , but as mentioned that link no longer exists
Transcript
    Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919 Cofeb Memorial: Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919 Cofeb Memorial: Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919 Cofeb Location: Gloddaeth Street War: First World War Inscription (A) Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919 Cofeb Siloh a Hyfrydle, Llandudno Am y rhai a wmaeth eu rhan dros egnyddorion Cyfiawnder, a Rhyddid, ac yr arbedwyd eu bywyd. *** List of names who survived the war *** ''A hwy a curant eu cleddyfau un sychau, a'u gwaywffyn yn bladuriau: ni chyfyd cenedl cleddyf yn erbyn genedl, ac ni ddysgant Ryfel Mwyach.'' Listed soldiers soldier address rank regiment date of death Dan. Davies Maelgwyn Villa - - Hugh Davies 8 Council Street - - Hugh Davies Glen Eden - - Isaac J. Davies 9 Tynycoed Ter. - - John Davies Eivion Villa - - Robt. Davies Bay View Ter. - - Thos. Davies Bay View Ter. - - Trevor Davies Maelgwyn Vil. - - H. Scott Davies Eden Cott. - - Dan. Davies Leonard Terrace - - T. C. Eames Cwm Howard - - Hywel T. Edwards Tudno Vil. - - Peter Edwards 1 James Street - - T. Berwyn Edwards Tudno Vil. - - D. R. Evans Llinos - - Richd. Evans Maenan House - - Wm. H. Evans Llinos - - Ewart Francis Longley Hse. - - Ed. Griffiths Cwlach Street - - Hd. Griffiths 6 St George's Cres. - - John E. Hobson Mill Garth - - Wm. Hobson 7 Madoc Street - - Wm. Hobson Ivy Mount - - John Hobson 7 Madoc Street - - Hugh Hobson Tanygraig - - Robt. Hobson 7 Madoc Street - - Anthony Hobson Ivy Mount - - Joseph Hobson Bay View Ter. - - T. Alun Hooson Bronallt - - W. Esmor Hooson Bronallt - - Ieuan V. Hoskins Bewsey Hs. - - J. O. Hughes N. P. Bank - - W. H. Hughes 15 Madoc Street - - Thos. Hughes Normanton - - Hywel T. Hughes Carthewyn - - H. D. Hughes Lloyd Street School - - Alun Hughes Carthewyn - - Wm. Hughes Baron Hill - - Ll. Lloyd Jones Parr's Bk. - - Dyfric Jones The Manor - - E. Pugh Jones Maenan Hs. - - Frank Jones Thornlea - - Harold P. Jones Parade Hs. - - Ogwen H. Jones Maesygarth - - Ieuan R. Jones Maesygarth - - Ivor Jones Milton Hs. - - J. Arthur Jones Tegwel - - J. Wm. Jones Parade Hs. - - Owen Jones 2 Gloddaeth Street - - R. Chrs. Jones 2 Gloddaeth Street - - T. Charles Jones Brynymor - - T. Hugh Jones Thornlea - - Trevor P. Jones Parade Hs. - - Wm. J. Jones Caledffrwd - - J. Charles Jones Thornlea - - John Lloyd 96 Mostyn Street - - R. T. Mills Willesden Hs. - - Joseph Morris Grove Hs. - - J. Emlyn Owen Glyn Vil. - - Maurice Owen 68 Mostyn Street - - Hpy. Owen Old Police Stn. - - Sydney J. Owen Rose Vil. - - Owen Owens 3 Pantyffrith - - Owen Owens Plas Bryniau - - Hugh Parry Warkley - - J. H. Parry Tynymaes - - Peter (L.C.M. BK. BGS.) Price - - Geo. Roberts Bryn Gwynt - - Wm. Roberts 5 Tynycoed Ter. - - Trevor E. Roberts Oaklands - - R. A. Roberts Penyffrith - - Wm. J. Roberts Penyffrith - - Hd. Roberts Nanchol Hs. - - Grif. Roberts Carreglwyd - - F. A. Roberts Astley Vil. - - Edw. Roberts Carreglwyd - - D. J. Roberts 7 Craigydon Pde. - - Grif. Roberts Penyffrith - - Gwl. Roberts Uxbridge Hs. - - Hry. Symmonds 6 Tudno St. - - Wm. Thomas 1 Tynycoed Ter. - - W. O. Thomas 2 Vardre Cott. - - Thos. Thomas St. Leonards - - Robt. Thomas St. Leonards - - Evan R. Thomas Penfron - - Herbt. Williams Siloh Vil. - - John Williams Siloh Vil. - - J. G. Williams 2 Glodd. St. - - R. T. Williams Stafford Vil. - - Thos. Williams Rosemont - - Thos. Williams Siloh Vil. - - Wm. Williams Havelock Hs. - - David Williams Fern Bank - - Robt. Wright The Woodlands - - R. B. Wynne N.P. Bank - -
Detail
    llandudno war memorials Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919 Cofeb Memorial: Y Rhyfel Mawr 1914-1919 Cofeb list of survivors from Llandudno, that fought in WW1
Other information
    list of survivors that lived in Llandudno and Fought in WW1
Web Address
    www.conwy.gov.uk/drwardetl.asp?cat=2435&doc=2710&mid=23&mid1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/drwardetl.asp?cat=2435&doc=2710&mid=23&mid1)
    =23

Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: Jack on August 08, 2018, 07:39:06 pm
Hi Karen

My Welsh isn't the greatest either but the above link does not refer to the war memorial on Llandudno promenade but a plaque that is in Siloh Chapel on Gloddaeth Street and is a Roll of Honour of all the men from the congregation of that chapel and also Hyfrydle chapel (I believe to have been on the Great Orme but happy to be corrected) who served in WW1. There is a separate plaque listing the names of those who died.

Thus, your William Hughes survived the war. Attached a close up of William Hughes name on the Siloh memorial
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: Cambrian on August 08, 2018, 08:33:03 pm
Jack, yes you are right. Hyfrydle chapel was in St Beuno's Road on the Great Orme.  It was established in 1893 and had closed by the early 1980s and has now been converted into a dwelling.

I noticed recently that similar plaques from various closed Welsh Nonconformist chapels in the area have been placed in Seilo - this is to be welcomed as the fate of others has not been so fortunate.
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: karenjadejoy on August 08, 2018, 09:58:26 pm
thanks very much for the pic and correct info........ :)
Karen
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: PM on August 09, 2018, 08:20:10 pm
Thanks to all for help & suggestions. I’m currently in Llandudno for a couple of days and have managed to get a copy of my Nan’s birth certificate.  She was born on 01/06/1908 at 12 Prospect Terrace, Great Orme. I’ve also found the grave of her father William, mother Sarah and brother George, all buried together in the cemetery on the Great Orme. I’m hoping to go back a generation to trace William’s parents but the Town Hall have no record of his birth so I’ve drawn a bit of a blank for now as I don’t know his place of birth.  I may go to Conwy records office tomorrow. Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: Hugo on August 10, 2018, 07:26:55 am
Good luck with your research Paula and I hope that you can find what you are looking for.    The Census records should show William's age and place of birth so perhaps you can work it back from there
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: Hugo on August 15, 2018, 04:34:58 pm
Paula, did you have any luck in tracing William's parents?      I noticed from the 1911 Census that William and Sarah were both born in Llandudno so there should be some records at the Archives  as well as those online like the Census records
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: karenjadejoy on April 20, 2020, 11:55:47 pm
thanks to a post Hugo made re an article, on thread. 
Re: John OWEN born 1821
« Reply #90 on: 22 February 2020, 12:08:25 »

I have confirmed that Mary Ann Hughes Married Edmund G Thomas.  and the people writing the article are direct descendants from them.

 Margaret Owen  nee Ellis, (Nain Pyllau), is Mary Ann Hughes grandmother. (thus my G G G Grandmother)
 i have tried to quote the link to the article below but i dont know if it works !!!
It has however, opened up another rabbit hole, for me to go down.  of the Ellis Family and Davies Family,  whom lived at Penmynedd Uchaf in 1800s........

I'm not sure where to post this but a friend sent me an interesting e-mail about Margaret Owen  ( nee Ellis ) who died in 1903 and was known as Nain Pyllau.
If anyone wants to know more about this very interesting article and the family please contact   peter.lyn.jones@gmail.com

Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: Hugo on April 21, 2020, 08:36:40 am
Here are some early photos of Penymynydd Uchaf ( known locally as the White Farm )       Sometime in the 1970's there was a lady called Helen who ran a fantastic Cafe in Upper Mostyn Street Llandudno
She lived there at the time and it under went a transformation and is a very impressive property now
Title: Re: Mary ann hughes c1876
Post by: karenjadejoy on April 21, 2020, 11:52:27 am
Thanks Hugo,
Lovely Photo's  It looks Idyllic.
 The info i have so far, is that a Rev Thomas Davies. (poss methodist), lived there from 1792-1800.
no info on him really.

He and his Wife Ann Jones. had five children.  One being Margaret Davies b 1787.
 She Married William Ellis b 1776, in St Tudnos 1808. they either, lived immediately following the marriage at Penmynedd Uchaf (the white farm).  or definitely held prayer meetings whilst living there in 1812.

 Margaret Died in 1828, in what looks like childbirth, of son Richard Ellis b1828.  Her husband William Ellis continued to live there until his demise in 1845. ( He is on the Census 1841,  at this Address and has two of his children living with him.  Thomas, b 1820, and Elizabeth b 1825.)  I am told that the Farm had been in the Davies and Ellis family for several Generations. 

In the 1841 Census it would seem there are three entries of Penmynedds. 
1.entry 126 Pen y mynedd which has William Ellis and children,  so i take that entry to be Penmynedd Uchaf
2. entry 129   appears to be Penmynedd whom has a Richard Davies and Ann Davies living there.
3. entry 132 appears to be written  Penmynedd isaf  (the pink farm) that has a Thomas and Elizabeth Owen and family living there. (unknown if these are related to my Owens Branch). we know a William Owens lived there previously from Hugos info on my other thread , from Chris Drapers book. (reply 71 Margaret Anne Pearl Hughes).
we then have
4  entry 39  living at pen yr Ogof, my Edward Owen1816 and Margaret Ellis his wife. with daughter Ann, and an older Griffith Owen.
5 entry 44 Ty Coch  the Edward and Elizabeth Owens who became a butcher.  (unrelated at this point)
6 entry 43  Ty coch, Thomas Owen a smith with Mary Owen and family  (unrelated at this point).

It was i think still a relatively small community at that time. so likely they would all know each other.


Margaret Davies and William Ellis,
 had another daughter named Margaret Ellis b1815.  who married Edward Owens b1816  she would likely have also lived at Penmynedd Uchaf.  until her marriage.
 she and Edward Owens later lived at Pyllau Farm.  and became known as Nain Pyllau.   amongst their children were my Ann Owens b1839 married Robert Hughes.b1835 (lived Baron Hill) and also John Owens (afalon, the alderman )b 1858 .....

So  If any one knows anything re the Rev. Thomas Davies,  or his religious leanings.  (i know Calvanist Methodists were coming to the fore at the time he appears to be a Rev.   and Living at Penmynedd uchaf.  (he lived until 1831, tho perhaps not at the farm).

Anyway hope you are all well and safe in these very strange times. 
Karen.