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Title: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
Am I alone in feeling exasperated at the sight of the floral tributes and messages to what was an act of reckless stupidity ? Instead of writing messages about angels and sleeping tight, doesn't anyone feel they want to write you stupid so and so, look what you have done.
Of course it a tragedy that another young life has been lost. His family will suffer for many, many years to come, probably forever.My deepest sympathy goes out to them but what of his friends and youth in general. What are they likely to learn. The answer is probably nothing.
There has been so much carnage even on local roads in the last few months it's time something was done to protect both the youngsters from themselves and to protect innocent third parties who might get involved. I refer to the fatal car accidents at the old Hotel 70 site, the Conwy tunnel, and a little further away, Menai Bridge and Aberystwyth.
As for this particular incident, as yet the full facts have not come to light. What is known though is that speed has played a part, as has inexperience.
This is the second accident at the same spot but lets get real, it's not the roads fault.
Who is to blame. We all are.
Jeremy Clarkson and his petrol head mentality that speed isn't the source of accidents.
The law allowing inexperienced drivers to carry passengers of similar age who are often the victims of show off driving.
Attempts by parents to get around high insurance costs by including their children as named drivers then not keeping control over the use of their children's cars.
Laws that have no restrictions on the size and power of vehicles that newly qualified drivers can drive.

and I'm sure you can think of many more.

However, there is one additional thought too.
Yesterday morning the "Arrive Alive " van was in action near the Links Hotel roundabout. Clocking errant drivers heading towards Asda as they strayed over the 40 mph mark. Later it was stationed by the paddling pool on the prom ( yes, the children have now gone back to school and the area was deserted because of the weather). I am all in favour of protecting pedestrians and , generally speaking , all in favour of speed cameras and mobile police traps but only when used to stop irresponsible driving in inappropriate places.
How often do you see gangs of youths with their suped up cars showing off around town at night. How do we seem to allow them to go unchecked as they turn suburban streets in to race tracks. Where is the speed trap then ?

Something has to be done surely ?
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on September 14, 2010, 11:39:23 AM
The insurance companies are imposing increasingly severe restrictions on young drivers - 'young' being defined, now, as below 25 - and this also means the size and power of car they drive.  The two biggest problems are drivers who use their parents' company cars - the insurances on which allow them to drive ,irrespective of age and power - and those who simply don't bother getting insured.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: DaveR on September 14, 2010, 11:58:46 AM
We've all done foolish things when we were young; it's in the nature of youths to take risks, ignore potential dangers and push things to the limit. Here's an example:

When I was a lot younger, I was a passenger in a car crash by the Craigside Inn going over to Penrhyn Bay - it was night, the car was going a bit too fast, skidded on the wet road and ploughed into the stone wall, demolished a lamp post and then bounced across the road into the wall on the other side, then back into the middle of the road. There was 4 of us in the car, all of us were knocked unconscious in the crash. I (as front seat passenger) was the first to come to, smelt a very strong smell of petrol from the ruptured fuel tank and shouted for everyone to get out. Myself and the driver freed ourselves and forced open one of the rear doors to get the back seat passenger out. It was only then that we realised that the other back seat passenger was missing, he had been thrown out through the rear window and was lying about 20 feet away on the road. Fortunately, nobody was killed, although the guy that was thrown out through the  window received fairly serious injuries and had difficulty walking for some time.

Looking back at that particular accident, it's difficult to see (short of upping the age from which you can drive) how it could have been prevented. As you say, young drivers/passengers need to be protected from themselves but quite how you would go about that...I don't quite know? I'd certainly agree that the Police need to take a tougher line with speeding and showing off at night. Even during the day, you see the odd souped up car razzing around Llandudno making a massive noise - why do the Police not stop them for having such loud exhaust - is it against the law?
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on September 14, 2010, 12:44:07 PM
They should, of course, but I suspect the only way to deal with the main issues is to raise the driving age to 21 at least.  I suspect there are too many vested interests that would prevent that happening, however.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Quiggs on September 14, 2010, 01:22:40 PM
I believe that it is illegal to have a noisy exhaust, they are usually fitted to increase performance, and would come under the heading of 'Being Modified', making the Car Insurance invalid if the Ins. Co. had not been notified.   )*)&
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2010, 02:46:44 PM
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We've all done foolish things when we were young; it's in the nature of youths to take risks, ignore potential dangers and push things to the limit.
Looking back at that particular accident, it's difficult to see (short of upping the age from which you can drive) how it could have been prevented.

Couldn't agree more, we have all done foolish things when we were younger, and maybe we still do. However, when it comes to cars, access to one is much easier than it was say, 30 years ago. Most families seem to have two cars so there is more chance there is one available for a sibling to borrow.

Some suggestions of regulations that could be imposed.

1) New driver plates which prevent carrying passengers unless they are accompanied by someone say, over 25.
2) Speed restrictions on any driver using new driver plates.
3) Punitive bans for anyone caught breaking new driver regulations including failing to display plates

A licence to drive is a desirable and valued item. The idea of losing it again should be enough to stop and make anyone think.
I also believe that reading case studies of accidents and getting prospective drivers to discuss or write about their conclusions of how that accident happened, who was to blame and what might have prevented it  might just get them thinking about the consequences of driving errors.

Incidentally, I have just returned from a walk around town and it struck me that there is far more effort put into policing parked cars than moving ones judging by the number of traffic wardens (I forget their new name) that are about.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Cymro on September 14, 2010, 03:47:08 PM
I was just about to start a very similar thread when I found this.

I agree totally with Dave and from first hand experience I am not suprised that again there has been a tragedy. I work in Llandudno most evenings and drive a very unfashionable car, I sometimes stop at McDonalds on my way home and am subjected to the reckless and idiotic actions of the cretins that use the carpark at Mostyn Champneys as a race track. They also frequently decide to use the A470 stretch between Llandudno and Black Cat as a race track and most evenings I am overtaken by large groups of cars travelling in convoy at high speeds and very close to eachother.

It is obvious where they are and what they are doing and there are police about becuase I often get targeted for a general check and breath test, always passing. Why do the police not do anything?! It is totally stupid, if they were to put a few cars on that stretch on any given night un announced they would be able to catch and punish a good handful of these idiots in one go.

I feel totally frustrated that I am being stopped so often simply because I am driving a car from town at chucking out time while these idiots are literally getting away with murder. Maybe they see me as an easy target, I won't give any cheek, I'll just take what they say on board and go on my way. They then tick their box to say they've stopped someone without the hassle of confronting these packs of idiots.

To catch these boy racers would be like taking candy from a baby, it's time they did and threw the book at them. Otherwise local florists will be have roaring trade in the near furture and if/when it happens I just hope it's one of these nutters behind the wheel and not somebody innocently walking their dog or coming home from the pub.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: norman08 on September 14, 2010, 04:06:13 PM
 it is nothing new i remember at least 40 years ago , a very bad accident in town [wont go in to detail] and another fatal one round the same time ,so we can,t say its the youngsters of today but yes something has to be done 
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Cymro on September 14, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
I should probably also point out that Ronnie Hughes has been in the paper blaming the road, suggesting that maybe a single lane would be safer. Lunacy! The road is totally safe, the speed limit is 40, but due to the long sweeping nature of the road I'm sure that even 50 would give you enough reaction time. Heaven knows what speed these nutters must have been doing to cause a fatality.

I suppose that's the culture these days, always somebody else to blame. Shame on them if they are still doing exactly the same thing tonight when I pass, if they don't learn now they never will.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on September 14, 2010, 04:22:34 PM
I agree;  there's nothing wrong with the road. It is simply the young driver mentality, I suspect.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Bellringer on September 14, 2010, 04:24:39 PM
A group of people I have some sympathy with are those who live in the immediate area of the accident. They were awoken late at night last Thursday with the distressing sounds and sight of what happened, and now have to silently tolerate the scene of flowers and crowds gathered there as a constant reminder. When I passed earlier this afternoon there were about 10/15 people gathered there, but I know that there have been much larger groups from time to time.

I think it also worth mentioning the emergency services personnel who have to "pick up the pieces" - not a very pleasant task I am sure.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 14, 2010, 06:05:32 PM
I have to say that speed is not the problem but driving stupidly and badly is the problem, cameravans / speed cameras catch the wrong people and not the maniacs. The thing is you can measure speed but it's not easy to measure bad driving. We had a very bad crash 7 years ago, we were doing around 50 mph towing a caravan when a women coming towards us lost control (warm, sunny dry road) and hit us head on on our side of the road, the police would not prosecute her! :o they were not bothered, yet just going over a speed limit without any accident and you can get points and a fine, makes no sense to me!
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on September 14, 2010, 06:34:20 PM
I think speed cameras were largely a money-raising venture.  We need more actual traffic bobbies.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2010, 07:13:55 PM
A fixed speed camera just before the accident spot might have prevented it. It would also slow down traffic approaching the roundabout. Trying to access the roundabout from Queens Rd can be quite daunting as cars fly straight on from the direction of town. These are the places were, In my humble opinion, cameras are a good thing.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: DaveR on September 14, 2010, 07:31:25 PM
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A fixed speed camera just before the accident spot might have prevented it. It would also slow down traffic approaching the roundabout. Trying to access the roundabout from Queens Rd can be quite daunting as cars fly straight on from the direction of town. These are the places were, In my humble opinion, cameras are a good thing.
Definitely.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: ormegolf on September 14, 2010, 09:03:03 PM
THERE IS something wrong with the road, but it is only a comparatively small thing, but might, just might, have made the difference. The camber of the road is not too good. I was aware of this 30 years or so ago because, as a HGV/PCV driver, you have to be aware of these things, otherwise you wont be driving for very long. Its not too bad, I've no doubt there are plenty of other spots as bad or worse. But, I always feel a bit guilty after hearing of an accident like this. Should I have made a fuss about it. And if I had, would it have made any diference? By the way, I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE CAMBER CAUSED IT. I am just pointing out that it might have made the marginal difference. Mike
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Yorkie on September 17, 2010, 11:24:37 AM
One of the "modern" self- inflicted challenges to today's young motorists is to have "time trials" over a set course normally starting at a point (such as The Links), racing to a distant roundabout, and returning in the fastest time.  This is normally carried out in the late evenings when traffic is quiet, the police are not to be seen and the reckless actions of the, often inexperienced, driver can be witnessd by all his (or her) mates.

In the pursute of ever increasing speed and faster times, tragedy is inevitable. 

This happens all over the country and is not exclusive to Llandudno.

One answer could be for young drivers to be encouraged to join a recognised car group and get more experience in the company of more qualified drivers.  Many of these clubs and groups have "track days" held under the guidance of experienced rally or track drivers and these days can fulfill the desire for speed in a safe environment and also improve general driving skills.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Dwyforite on September 18, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
many years ago when i had a motor bike we used to race up conwy road before the new road,when we got to about fifty yards short of the old g.p.o.building we would get right into the gutter on the left hand side and then aim the bike at the apex of the bend,because we knew that there was an adverse camber to the bend.at a later date we also done this with cars,at this time conway road had a lot of older trees which were killers if you struck them.the bend could be improved,a small wall on the outside of the bend and the road raised to improve the camber with a crash barrier on the top.but the bottm line is observing the speed limits ,i didnt but was lucky,some were not,as you get older you tend to learn by your mistakes and even better by others
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Yorkie on September 18, 2010, 07:53:45 AM
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the bend could be improved,a small wall on the outside of the bend and the road raised to improve the camber with a crash barrier on the top.

What a great idea - NOT!   Turning our roads into a "safe" haven for speeders is no answer!   ))*
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Bellringer on September 18, 2010, 08:17:38 PM
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Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: TheMedz on September 18, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
On the evidence of some of the driving we encountered coming back into town from Llanrwst this evening some people obviously have already forgotten the accident and any possible lessons they could have learned from it. The car overtaking us on the approach to the same roundabout (in sight of all the floral tributes) must have been doing 60 or 70 mph.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on September 19, 2010, 08:13:50 AM
I've rarely encountered those sorts of speeds there, but I only drive that road during daylight hours.  Most of the time it's people who seem to have no concept whatsoever of lane discipline, signalling or the existence of other road users.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Yorkie on September 19, 2010, 09:34:33 AM
A couple of coppers with a stinger for an hour or so each night would sort the problem!   WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: DaveR on September 29, 2010, 06:33:09 PM
A PARTY goer was two-and-a-half times over the drink drive limit when he went out to buy more booze and crashed, killing himself and injuring two others.

Frankie James Clark, 23, lost control of his Peugeot 106 and smashed into a lorry at almost 70mph in a 40mph zone at the A55’s Conwy tunnel, an inquest heard.

The accident caused hours of tailbacks on October 22. Mr Clark, of Llandudno, was travelling westbound but the tunnel entrance was closed for maintenance and traffic was being diverted into a single lane contraflow.

He skidded at least 60 metres (198 feet) into a white, Scania HGV lorry at about 2am. He died from “head trauma”.

His back seat passenger Jemma Hender, 20, was badly hurt. Front seat passenger Wayne Edward King, 20, suffered a seatbelt burn mark. All three wore seatbelts. The Spanish haulier was driving correctly in his own lane at 39.9mph and was not seriously hurt.

Kirit Champaneria, North East Wales assistant deputy coroner, heard Mr Clark and Mr King had earlier called at a Craig y Don flat of friend Clare Jones.

Mr King said Mr Clark had been on an Anti-Social Behaviour Order not to drink in a pub but drank in a party at the flat. Mr Clark also had a “couple of pulls off a spliff of cannabis”.

Mr Clark had twice borrowed Clare’s car with her permission to buy alcohol and had gone out the second time to Tesco in Llandudno Junction.

Maintenance worker William Walker was standing in an A55 layby and heard the Peugeot approach Conwy Tunnel at speed: “I was very concerned,” he said. “Twenty metres before the chicane, there was smoke and a screech. The HGV came out of the eastbound portal and I heard an almighty bang as they collided.”

Recording an accidental death verdict, the coroner found Mr Clark had 200mg of alcohol per litre in his blood, the legal limit being 80mg. Traces of cocaine were also found in his body.

After a joint report by accident investigators Sergeant Colin Dobbins and Gary Roberts, Mr Roberts estimated Mr Clark was travelling at least 66mph.

He added: “He was 2.5 times the maximum legal alcohol limit. This would have adversely affected his judgement and ability to drive safely. This was the overriding factor and the cause of the collision. His speed was excessive and inappropriate.”

But Mr Roberts said no similar collision had been caused in the previous five years at a chicane style contraflow. He has nonetheless contacted the North Wales Trunk Road Agency to discuss the lay-out of such roadworks.

Frankie’s elder brother Joseph Clark told the inquest in Prestatyn that Frankie, a former Ysgol John Bright pupil and a Manchester United FC fan, was a qualified bricklayer and a fitness fanatic with many friends. Joseph had himself lost his daughter Chloe in an A55 road accident on Rhuallt Hill in 2008.

At Frankie’s inquest, Jemma Hender’s parents Norman and Louise described her injuries. She had broken eye sockets, chest and neck bones. Her left arm, wrist and leg were also broken. She can’t straighten her arms and is having surgery to rebuild her elbows. Mrs Hender said: “We would like to thank Frankie’s family for their care and concern for us.”

They also praised the police and emergency services. Mr Hender added: “Jemma will need surgery to rebuild her elbows. But she is back at work as a cleaner in Llandudno Hospital.”
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Trojan on September 29, 2010, 09:55:40 PM
Recording an accidental death verdict, the coroner found Mr Clark had 200mg of alcohol per litre in his blood, the legal limit being 80mg. Traces of cocaine were also found in his body.

So....did the excessive alcohol & traces of drugs find their way into his body by "accident?"
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Fester on September 30, 2010, 01:03:52 AM
Drink Driving might be a terrible thing ... BUT, there is nothing worse than having a crash when you are sober !!

Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: majormellons on October 03, 2010, 01:43:15 AM
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Drink Driving might be a terrible thing ... BUT, there is nothing worse than having a crash when you are sober !!
Just what point are trying to make there?

"Drink driving might be a terrible thing"......MIGHT?

Compare this to an accident when sober?
Please let me know what drugs you are being prescribed because that can't of statement is not made by someone compos mentis. If you are going to come on this forum and pass comment, at least do it sober.

Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on October 03, 2010, 08:11:20 AM
Fester was being tongue-in-cheek. If you read his other posts you will see that his sense of humour is alive and well.  :'(
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Yorkie on October 03, 2010, 09:21:18 AM
Of course, contrary to popular conception, there is no such thing as an accident.   *&(
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on October 03, 2010, 09:26:05 AM
The Freudians believe that, but I always wonder about sudden catastrophic failure, such as an element failing abruptly without apparent reason.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Yorkie on October 03, 2010, 09:28:20 AM
Failure is progressive as any engineer will tell you, and routine inspection, even by non destructive testing could herald an incident!    ))*
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 03, 2010, 10:21:02 AM
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The Freudians believe that, but I always wonder about sudden catastrophic failure, such as an element failing abruptly without apparent reason.

The element failing abruptly is usually the nut behind the wheel, sometimes drunk, sometimes not, I've been hit several times by both types :(  all ok now though :)
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Yorkie on October 03, 2010, 11:37:53 AM
There is an interesting discourse on Accident here:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/accident (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/accident)

 *&(
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Pendragon on October 03, 2010, 05:12:40 PM
On my sons 17th birthday I bought him his provisional License lke many other parents thinking he would gain his own independence.  However as the last few years alone have shown in the area this was not a good idea at all. I have a 13yr old at the moment and I truly hope they up the age to 21.  Y'see teenagers have no idea of consequence, I think they should be governed to cars with a small engine like a fiesta or something similar.  The individuals involved in accidents like this had no intention of injuring themselves or anyone else and thats the problem. They are as gutted as everyone else and the guilt will be with them forever, this lad was their friend. Such a shame.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 03, 2010, 05:24:02 PM
cars with a small engine these days can still go fast though, we have a Nissan Micra which is only a one litre engine and its amazing how well it goes (and I'm someone who years ago had a RS2000 Escort, 3.4 mk2 Jaguar, two Rover 3500 SD1 's etc etc in the days of cheap petrol 8) )  But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on October 03, 2010, 06:18:18 PM
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But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?

I suspect it's more to do with the fact that the young don't learn from history, only from experience.  Most young folk think themselves immortal;  I certainly did.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 03, 2010, 06:24:05 PM
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But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?

I suspect it's more to do with the fact that the young don't learn from history, only from experience.  Most young folk think themselves immortal;  I certainly did.

I still think I'm immortal at 54 :) I was always more worried about severe injuries than death
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on October 03, 2010, 06:25:44 PM
But you were worried.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Pendragon on October 03, 2010, 06:28:07 PM
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cars with a small engine these days can still go fast though, we have a Nissan Micra which is only a one litre engine and its amazing how well it goes (and I'm someone who years ago had a RS2000 Escort, 3.4 mk2 Jaguar, two Rover 3500 SD1 's etc etc in the days of cheap petrol 8) )  But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?
Yeah, I was talking to a friend about the subject only the other day, we said games like Colin Mcrae (showing my age now) probably contribute but are not entirely to blame. Young men are obsessed with "speed" "power" and "winning" all traits defined by human nature. Of course cars fit the bill on all points.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 03, 2010, 06:30:58 PM
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But you were worried.
a bit and I have quite some history of car crashes (none of which were my fault on the road!) one on a hillclimb track in a Triumph Vittesse many moons ago L0L
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Pendragon on October 03, 2010, 06:37:53 PM
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But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?

I suspect it's more to do with the fact that the young don't learn from history, only from experience.  Most young folk think themselves immortal;  I certainly did.
I realised as my kids were growing up, we all only learn from our mistakes I don't know anyone who thought their parents knew best or ever listened. The hardest thing about being a parent is knowing your children are heading for a fall and all you can do is stand by and help pick up the pieces.  I suppose the hardest thing for a young person is realising their parents were right all along, but usually by this time the damage has been done.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Yorkie on October 03, 2010, 06:40:47 PM
For my sins I am a qualified Observer for the Institute of Advanced Motorists and also a Gold Award RoSPA Advanced Driver.  I believe that all new drivers should carry on and get further driving tuition by taking an Advanced Driving course.  The I.A.M. only charge about £140 which includes ALL tuition until one passes the Test, 1 year Annual Membership, Tuition Literature, and Test Fee.   When you consider the cost of one dent in your car or the cost of learning to drive it is a small price to pay to bring your Son or Daughter up to a Standard equivalent to the Police Roadcraft qualification.   :D

RoSPA also operate a similar system but with, what I consider, a harder test, and at a lesser cost.  ZXZ

The IAM have  a North Wales Group and RoSPA are in the process of forming a North Wales Group.   If anyone has any queries they can PM me direct.     )*)&

In my time I have had "pupils" from 19 to 65, the yougest and oldest both passing their test with flying colours!   D)

Christmas is just around the corner!
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Fester on October 04, 2010, 01:31:58 AM
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Drink Driving might be a terrible thing ... BUT, there is nothing worse than having a crash when you are sober !!
Just what point are trying to make there?

"Drink driving might be a terrible thing"......MIGHT?

Compare this to an accident when sober?
Please let me know what drugs you are being prescribed because that can't of statement is not made by someone compos mentis. If you are going to come on this forum and pass comment, at least do it sober.

Pendragon talks an awful lot of sense on this subject....
But Major Mellons would like to know what drugs I am on.
Well I can tell you, Originally it was Calpol,  then as the years went by I turned more to Junior Aspirin, (just loved that crumbly orangy feeling) ..
But now, I really more on Prozac to keep me awake on the Forum until these uhholy hours.., and WD40 for my creaking knees.

Whats your poison?





Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on October 04, 2010, 07:46:57 AM
Both our sons have passed their IAM test, and it makes a difference to their driving beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like Yorkie, I took mine many years ago and became an observer with a group; it's something that everyone should try and it helps you become a much better driver.

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The hardest thing about being a parent is knowing your children are heading for a fall and all you can do is stand by and help pick up the pieces.

So true...
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Trojan on October 04, 2010, 08:31:14 AM
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Drink Driving might be a terrible thing ... BUT, there is nothing worse than having a crash when you are sober !!
Just what point are trying to make there?

"Drink driving might be a terrible thing"......MIGHT?

Compare this to an accident when sober?
Please let me know what drugs you are being prescribed because that can't of statement is not made by someone compos mentis. If you are going to come on this forum and pass comment, at least do it sober.

Pendragon talks an awful lot of sense on this subject....
But Major Mellons would like to know what drugs I am on.
Well I can tell you, Originally it was Calpol,  then as the years went by I turned more to Junior Aspirin, (just loved that crumbly orangy feeling) ..
But now, I really more on Prozac to keep me awake on the Forum until these uhholy hours.., and WD40 for my creaking knees.

Whats your poison?


Was always a Haliborange kid myself.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: majormellons on October 04, 2010, 09:40:26 AM
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Drink Driving might be a terrible thing ... BUT, there is nothing worse than having a crash when you are sober !!
Just what point are trying to make there?

"Drink driving might be a terrible thing"......MIGHT?

Compare this to an accident when sober?
Please let me know what drugs you are being prescribed because that can't of statement is not made by someone compos mentis. If you are going to come on this forum and pass comment, at least do it sober.

Pendragon talks an awful lot of sense on this subject....
But Major Mellons would like to know what drugs I am on.
Well I can tell you, Originally it was Calpol,  then as the years went by I turned more to Junior Aspirin, (just loved that crumbly orangy feeling) ..
But now, I really more on Prozac to keep me awake on the Forum until these uhholy hours.., and WD40 for my creaking knees.

Whats your poison?



I confess I do have a parchant for Cider......on special occasions only, of course.
Title: Road conditions in the area
Post by: zaskar on December 22, 2010, 05:27:34 PM
Hiya guys, Merry Christmas to everyone, hope you're coping OK in these conditions cos the webs cams look like you've had it MUCH harder than us in Cheshire?

Could someone please help me with road conditions?
We had such a great time in your neck of the woods last Christmas that wifey and I are coming back again :D
Thing is, we have a VERY large American 5th wheel trailer that we pull with a pick up and I'm worried about being able to get to the campsite.

Our route will be........  A55 to Conwy, then B5106 through Gyffyn village to a small farm campsite just up the hill from the Groes Inn.
I'm worried about the hill out of Gyffyn village.

We're due to arrive on Friday late morning, conditions/safety allowing so if anyone in the know could use this post to keep me updated, I'd be extremely grateful.

Thanks :D
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 05:29:49 PM
Have a look on the thread The Great British Weather Debate!
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: zaskar on December 22, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
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Have a look on the thread The Great British Weather Debate!

Will do. Many thanks. Much appreciated. $thanx$
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 05:38:11 PM
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I'm worried about the hill out of Gyffyn village.
Welcome to the Forum.

My guess would be that it will be a tall order to get a trailer up there today, putting it mildly! But by Friday, hmmm. One of our members lives in that area - Stan, do you have any info? :)  

I wonder what the bottom road from Gyffin to Groes Inn is like (thinking of a way of avoiding Gyffin Hill)?
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: zaskar on December 22, 2010, 05:47:06 PM
Thanks Dave, much appreciated.  I'll keep checking back in here until we (hopefully!) leave on Friday. Just been looking at the latest traffic cams and FLIPPIN' 'ECK!!!!!.....you've had it bad!  Unless things improve substantially by Friday, I think I'll sack it! No way am I risking me or anyone else with a 4 tonne trailer on ice! Z@@
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: Bellringer on December 22, 2010, 05:50:17 PM
Living in Gyffin, I can tell you that vehicles are going up and down the hill but the road width is reduced at present, and as someone who tows a c/van, I wouldn't attempt going up it or down with a c/van on the back in the present conditions. The road has been gritted and a snowplough has been along. The hill down to the Groes and up from there to your campsite could be a bit tricky too.

If you watch this thread, I will drive the stretch from Gyffin village to your campsite tomorrow morning and post my opinion on here afterwards.

Merry Christmas

PS Dave and I were obviously typing at the same time and things could be better by Friday morning if there is a good thaw but the forecast suggests it is going to remain cold and a rapid thaw is unlikely.

BTW  Do you know what the campsite conditions are like?
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: zaskar on December 22, 2010, 05:55:40 PM
Hi Bellringer.  Thanks VERY much indeed mate, wifey says "God bless him"  :D 
Been trying to ring the CL but getting no answer at the mo. I'll keep trying and I will keep an eye on this thread.
Going for my tea now! Starving! ;D

All the best

Z
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: Bellringer on December 22, 2010, 06:05:58 PM
I was in Alsager yesterday visiting an elderly aunt. We set off from there just after 5pm arriving in Gyffin a little before 7pm. We started to see the odd snowflake on the south Chester by-pass and by Abergele/Colwyn Bay it was coming down quite nicely. I wouldn't have wanted to have arrived home much later and some of the pics posted on here today under different threads will indicate very clearly how much fell.
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: zaskar on December 23, 2010, 09:36:16 AM
Hi Bellringer.

Hope I caught you in time here.  Just got through to the CL on the phone and they say "no chance"  :-[ Absolutely gutted cos I was so looking forward to it. It's a beautiful area.  :'(  Apparantly, the road up the valley is pretty good but the entrance to Eirianwas Farm is sheet ice and they dont think I'll get up the sloping drive into the campsite.
 Cette la Vie, as they say, better safe than sorry.

Many thanks to you, and everyone else on this thread for all your help and advise.
Have a wonderful and safe Christmas.
Best wishes
Paul & ffiona
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on December 23, 2010, 10:02:17 AM
Same to you folks, and let's hope you make it in the New Year :-))
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on December 23, 2010, 10:46:20 AM
Sorry you are missing our wonderful scenery, but better to be safe.
Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Road conditions-B5106- Groes Inn
Post by: Bellringer on December 23, 2010, 11:08:20 AM
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  :'(  Apparantly, the road up the valley is pretty good but the entrance to Eirianwas Farm is sheet ice and they dont think I'll get up the sloping drive into the campsite.
 Cette la Vie, as they say, better safe than sorry.

Many thanks to you, and everyone else on this thread for all your help and advise.
Have a wonderful and safe Christmas.
Best wishes
Paul & ffiona

Only just logged in and seen your posting. I have been down to Tyn-y-Groes (needed some bales of hay for my wife's pet sheep), and as you have been told the B5106 is passable with care needed in places. Had a good look at the entrance to your CL and thought that would be the big problem. My advice would have been "don't attempt it".

Pity because the views from the CL are spectacular at any time but at the moment even more so.
Best wishes with your alternative Christmas.

Stan
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: zaskar on December 23, 2010, 11:19:43 AM
Thanks Stan, very much appreciated.  Never mind, as it happens, the Cheshire CL where we're based is very beautiful and there's a lovely little pub across the field so it'll still be a great Christmas.
Biggest loss is not being in the hills. Miss them terribly! Cheshire is lovelly, but my God it's flat! ;D

Merry Christmas! $wales $uk
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: JasonW on December 23, 2010, 04:12:58 PM
Latest News from Conwy CBC:

GrittingThe weather continues to be exceptionally severe and the winter maintenance crews have been working round the clock to keep the main network open.
At the start of the season we had 10,500 tonnes of salt in stock, we currently have 3,800 tonnes.   
Over the Christmas weekend, the winter maintenance teams will continue to treat primary routes and respond to requests from Emergency Services, Social Services and Animal Health (in relation to serious animal welfare matters).
The public are advised to note the conditions and take extra care.


Bin and Recycling CollectionsCrews are back on the road today (Thursday 23rd December), collecting refuse and recycling from all areas that have been safe to access, given the weather conditions. Unfortunately, many side roads, hills and inland areas are still inaccessible with our 18-tonne refuse and recycling vehicles.
We will reassess the travel conditions daily and every effort will be made to resume scheduled collections in areas that are clear of snow and ice. We will also be using additional resources to collect from areas that have been missed.
If you have been affected, please leave out your recycling containers and refuse bin for our crew to collect when practical to do so on Friday 24th December and from Monday 27th December onwards.
There will be no collections on Christmas Day and Boxing Day.
We appreciate the inconvenience that this causes residents, and are grateful for your patience.
The recycling centres in Mochdre and Abergele are open to the public every day, apart from Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year’s Day.

Public Conveniences
All public conveniences are closed and will remain closed until further notice.


Council Office Opening HoursCouncil offices will close at 4pm on Friday 24 December and will re-open at 8.45am on Wednesday 29th December 2010.


Further information and advice is available on the website at www.conwy.gov.uk (http://www.conwy.gov.uk)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 23, 2010, 04:32:32 PM
Thanks for the update, Jason.

I can still see you doing this good work even when you become our new Assembly Member.

Good luck.   ££$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on December 23, 2010, 05:28:43 PM
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the Cheshire CL where we're based is very beautiful and there's a lovely little pub across the field so it'll still be a great Christmas.
Biggest loss is not being in the hills. Miss them terribly! Cheshire is lovelly, but my God it's flat! ;D

Where is that CL? I could well be looking for one not too far away from next Spring onwards.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Quiggs on December 23, 2010, 05:38:28 PM
just a thought, something like 15,000 tons of salt used and maybe more to come. When the thaw comes, how much will the environment be affected by the salt washing down streams and fields etc.?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on December 23, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
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how much will the environment be affected by the salt washing down streams and fields etc.?

It'll kill a lot of plant life,  that's for sure. And there's also the tons of grit.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on December 24, 2010, 10:03:29 AM
MY OH has just read in the paper that animals who walk on the gritted roads and pavements can be very ill or die from Anti-Freeze poisoning.
Sounds awful, must be careful with Frizzy's paws.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on December 31, 2010, 07:08:29 PM
I don't think Anti-freeze is used on roads and pavements.  It is normally reserved for Car cooling systems and Italian Wine.             L0L
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on December 31, 2010, 08:34:31 PM
 _))*
The anti freeze I think they mean is the stuff they put in de-icer sprays. The stuff in car radiators is ethylene glycol.Car de-icer sprays are often methanol. Shouldn't fancy swallowing either !
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on December 31, 2010, 08:41:04 PM
Very good as a mouth wash though!         _))*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on December 31, 2010, 08:46:08 PM
The rock salt used on roads/pavements can also irritate dogs paws etc.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on December 31, 2010, 09:31:20 PM
Which is why it is important to wash your pet's feet and any other vulnerable parts when you have been out in such weather.      D)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on December 31, 2010, 10:29:13 PM
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Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 01, 2011, 08:22:34 AM
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_))*
The anti freeze I think they mean is the stuff they put in de-icer sprays. The stuff in car radiators is ethylene glycol.Car de-icer sprays are often methanol. Shouldn't fancy swallowing either !

if you've ever had cheap wine then you might well have swallowed some  L0L
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 01, 2011, 06:29:29 PM
You're ok Nemesis as you can tuck Frizzy under your arm,  I've got no chance with Marco!   :)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Trojan on January 02, 2011, 12:00:23 AM
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You're ok Nemesis as you can tuck Frizzy under your arm,  I've got no chance with Marco!   :)

I know a woman who can tuck frizzy under her arm too.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Fester on January 02, 2011, 12:20:39 AM
You been pulling birds in Iraq again, Trojan?

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on January 02, 2011, 01:17:34 PM
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You're ok Nemesis as you can tuck Frizzy under your arm,  I've got no chance with Marco!   :)

I know a woman who can tuck frizzy under her arm too.

OMG that's gross ! :puke2:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Trojan on January 03, 2011, 01:57:21 AM
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You been pulling birds in Iraq again, Trojan?


No, it was taken in my relatives electrolysis salon on the Finchley Road NW London.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Pendragon on January 04, 2011, 10:31:59 PM
Ha ha My Hubby always says he fancied Julia Roberts till the hairy armpit photos, it repulsed him lol
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Fester on January 05, 2011, 12:13:13 AM
Yeah... its nots not pleasant, although some blokes have a fetish about it apparently, (I'm not one of them)

But... at the end of the day, ITS JULIA ROBERTS !!!!   And I still would.   Who wouldn't?

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Trojan on January 07, 2011, 01:30:56 AM
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Yeah... its nots not pleasant, although some blokes have a fetish about it apparently, (I'm not one of them)

But... at the end of the day, ITS JULIA ROBERTS !!!!   And I still would.   Who wouldn't?


Does your wife ever read this forum Fester?  L0L
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Fester on January 07, 2011, 01:34:41 AM
Nah mate,  she's too busy shaving her armpits!   L0L
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Trojan on January 07, 2011, 01:41:01 AM
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Nah mate,  she's too busy shaving her armpits!   L0L

 _))*
Title: House damage by car crash Black Gate
Post by: dingo20 on January 08, 2011, 01:00:11 PM
Has anyone see the house at the and of Old Road / Black Gate on the Orme damage by the 2 x cars and van that crashed into it over Christmas I think it's getting worse! I feel sorry for Brian he's been made homeless and ended up in a naff hostel in Colwyn Bay (bet he had a great Christmas)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on January 08, 2011, 02:09:00 PM
I agree, I thought it looked worse when I passed the other day.
Have spoken to Brian a couple of times, seems very fed up-- with good reason.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: TheMedz on January 08, 2011, 06:47:55 PM
Every day and another bit of the wall and guttering seems to have fallen onto the floor. I'm really surprised something has not been put in place to support the roof over the front door.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on January 08, 2011, 06:57:34 PM
Sounds like it needs propping up if movement is still occurring.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: TheMedz on January 08, 2011, 07:14:13 PM
My first suggestion would be putting a substantial cement "ram raider proof"  type bollard directly in front. One more vehicle of any sort in that wall and the whole lot is down  irrespective of whether they put props in place or not.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on January 08, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
Trouble is it covers 3 floors.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Jack on January 20, 2011, 06:06:12 PM
Traffic lights near the Craigside Inn are causing long tail backs in both directions.  At lunchtime the queue of traffic trying to get out of Llandudno stretched from Craigside Inn all the way back to the paddling pool.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: TheMedz on January 20, 2011, 08:39:55 PM
My clutch has just about got over the trial of trying to get up the hill in that traffic. You always think I won't put the handbrake on yet it will be moving in a minute. You'd think after the first couple of times of not reaching the traffic lights I would learn but oh no!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 20, 2011, 08:50:58 PM
Get an automatic!   Modern automatics are the answer to driving with todays traffic problems.       <:<:<:<
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on January 20, 2011, 09:36:47 PM
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Traffic lights near the Craigside Inn are causing long tail backs in both directions.  At lunchtime the queue of traffic trying to get out of Llandudno stretched from Craigside Inn all the way back to the paddling pool.

Tell me about it, there were two lots of lights between Llandudno and Rhos this morning. Chaos reigned.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 20, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
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Get an automatic!   Modern automatics are the answer to driving with todays traffic problems.       <:<:<:<

so many automatics seem to end up going through shop windows  :o
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on January 21, 2011, 08:42:41 AM
Usually the driver-- not the car!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 21, 2011, 09:30:15 AM
If you put your foot on the accelerator, whether the car is manual or automatic, and the car is in gear, it will move!    It is just a case of driving skills.    >>>
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on January 21, 2011, 09:54:49 AM
Yes, the recent case of the car in Rhos happened because the driver pressed the accelerator instead of the brake.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 21, 2011, 10:52:20 AM
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If you put your foot on the accelerator, whether the car is manual or automatic, and the car is in gear, it will move!    It is just a case of driving skills.    >>>

I agree 100% however most of the shop window, supermarket carpark incidents seem to involve automatics, i've driven autos with no problem myself, but i do prefer manual  ^*^0
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 21, 2011, 03:06:52 PM
I regularly leap from my auto to the Wife's manual and am used to driving both as many of us do.  However when using the auto I still drive with two feet, using the right for the accelerator and the left for braking!   It is something I have got used to over the years but something that others find peculiar!   
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on January 21, 2011, 08:34:03 PM
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when using the auto I still drive with two feet, using the right for the accelerator and the left for braking!   It is something I have got used to over the years but something that others find peculiar!

It can be dangerous, too, as it increases the risk of depressing both simultaneously. However, I much prefer autos to stick drive.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 21, 2011, 08:47:49 PM
Well, I have been doing it for at least 40 years and haven't had any problems so far.   However, I don't recommend it to my pupils when I'm teaching Advanced and Defensive driving! 

I don't see how it can increase any risk of depressing both at once, because either one wants to increase or maintain a constant speed or slow down! 

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on January 22, 2011, 08:25:26 AM
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I don't see how it can increase any risk of depressing both at once, because either one wants to increase or maintain a constant speed or slow down! 

It's been found that those who transfer to auto driving from stick driving are used to the two-foot approach to stop quickly (Brake and Clutch) and that - when transferring to an automatic - instinct can take over in an emergency situation, and they slam both feet down to stop.  Now, in any modern auto, the brake easily overrides the accelerator effect, but, in some of the earlier autos, that instinctive reaction caused the car to lurch forward. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 22, 2011, 09:36:11 AM
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I don't see how it can increase any risk of depressing both at once, because either one wants to increase or maintain a constant speed or slow down! 

It's been found that those who transfer to auto driving from stick driving are used to the two-foot approach to stop quickly (Brake and Clutch) and that - when transferring to an automatic - instinct can take over in an emergency situation, and they slam both feet down to stop.  Now, in any modern auto, the brake easily overrides the accelerator effect, but, in some of the earlier autos, that instinctive reaction caused the car to lurch forward. 

and end up through a shop window!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 22, 2011, 10:21:11 AM
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I don't see how it can increase any risk of depressing both at once, because either one wants to increase or maintain a constant speed or slow down! 

It's been found that those who transfer to auto driving from stick driving are used to the two-foot approach to stop quickly (Brake and Clutch) and that - when transferring to an automatic - instinct can take over in an emergency situation, and they slam both feet down to stop.  Now, in any modern auto, the brake easily overrides the accelerator effect, but, in some of the earlier autos, that instinctive reaction caused the car to lurch forward. 

and end up through a shop window!

Or totally accident free depending on the skill of the driver!   ¢¢##
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 22, 2011, 12:20:41 PM
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I don't see how it can increase any risk of depressing both at once, because either one wants to increase or maintain a constant speed or slow down! 

It's been found that those who transfer to auto driving from stick driving are used to the two-foot approach to stop quickly (Brake and Clutch) and that - when transferring to an automatic - instinct can take over in an emergency situation, and they slam both feet down to stop.  Now, in any modern auto, the brake easily overrides the accelerator effect, but, in some of the earlier autos, that instinctive reaction caused the car to lurch forward. 

and end up through a shop window!

Or totally accident free depending on the skill of the driver!   ¢¢##


again I agree 100% with that, I'll stick with manual though  ^*^0
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Yorkie on March 14, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
Never Text While Driving (Bloody) - Government Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4-4w5xTiEo#ws)
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: brumbob on March 14, 2011, 05:38:51 PM
very graphic, it's better to drive a large 4x4
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Trojan on March 14, 2011, 05:43:25 PM
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very graphic, it's better to drive a large 4x4

Or a Foden.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Ian on March 15, 2011, 07:46:06 AM
I've moved the jokey posts following to Clean Jokes.
Title: A55 disruption
Post by: Ian on March 26, 2011, 08:16:43 AM
A topic for anything to do with driving anywhere except the A55 in North Wales.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Ian on March 26, 2011, 08:17:23 AM
Will the new generation of electric cars mean a quieter summer in the future?
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A comprehensive charging network is currently under development in the UK, and Nissan's network of EV dealers – currently 26 sites nationwide – will be equipped with a quick charger, which will charge the battery from zero to 80% capacity in under 30 minutes. Across the UK there are programmes under way to install around 9,000 charge points by 2013.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: mull on March 26, 2011, 11:57:16 AM
How many windmills to charge one car for 30 minutes ? *&(
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Ian on March 26, 2011, 12:00:23 PM
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How many windmills to charge one car for 30 minutes ?

Reminds me of the maths problems I used to get in primary school....
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Yorkie on March 26, 2011, 12:08:04 PM
If I had an electric car I would get myself a wind generator for my back garden, presuming such an arrangement is feasible.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: brumbob on March 26, 2011, 12:29:56 PM
Why would you want to generate wind Yorkie?
Isn't it already windy enough in North Wales  :laugh:

I think it will be many moons before electric cars can replace fossil fuel burners,
at the moment they are completely useless for the majority of people, not only because of cost and mileage
but charging points and time taken to charge will be the biggest issue.
The batteries which will have to be replaced every three years will wipe out the second hand market of such vehicles.
Hybrid cars have a better future but mpg is little better than the new generation of diesel cars you can buy now.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Ian on March 26, 2011, 01:22:32 PM
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at the moment they are completely useless for the majority of people, not only because of cost and mileage

Research indicates that the majority of people drive fewer then 40 miles per day, so in fact they'd be ideal for the majority.

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but charging points and time taken to charge will be the biggest issue.

I'd be willing it bet it won't be long before supermarkets provide in-bay charging points for free, which would be ideal since these cars only need 30 minutes charge to restore them to 90% capacity.

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The batteries which will have to be replaced every three years will wipe out the second hand market of such vehicles.

That seems the biggest issue, although the manufacturers are saying five years not three, and they're all looking for ways to avoid that terminal cost.
 
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: brumbob on March 26, 2011, 01:35:47 PM
great, have to drive to the supermarket everyday to charge it up  :P

until every parking space has a means to charge a car, I maintain electric cars are useless for the majority of people
imagine row upon row of terrace houses with cables stretching over the pavement  :rage:

Plug in electric cars move problems rather than solving them.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Yorkie on March 26, 2011, 01:50:48 PM
They have employed electricity hook up posts in car parks and other areas of the community in Sweden for many years.  These have been for supplying the engine heaters in cars to combat the very cold climate.

No reason why similar system could not apply to charging units.  Plenty of info on the Internet.    D)
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: brumbob on March 26, 2011, 02:07:00 PM
You've walked around Llandudno, every road is chock-a-block with parked cars, can you imagine the cost and upheaval to put charging points to each of these spaces.
I suppose the youth of the future will have great fun unplugging cars so the owners find they aren't charged in the morning. :laugh:
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Ian on March 26, 2011, 03:33:31 PM
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imagine row upon row of terrace houses with cables stretching over the pavement

Yep;  terraced are certainly going to be a major issue.  But streets are already wired for lamps and things so a bit of lateral thinking could see a lot of kerbside charging points and petrol is fast going to become a scarce commodity, so with the simple reality that the UK has signed to reduce emissions to a level that can only be achieved by getting rid of a lot of petrol engined vehicles I suspect that electric will be the future.

The big problems will be the long distance drivers: the motorway service stations might have to start offering battery swapping options to keep the holidaying motorist on the road.  But there again, the last time we drove to France, through the Midlands, the M25 and then the chunnel we all agreed that had there been a train-car conveyor available we'd have taken that.  The ideal solution would be for designated train stations to operate car trains ,rather like the current Eurostar does.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: brumbob on March 26, 2011, 03:59:59 PM
Electric will most likely be the future Ian, once all the guinea pigs have brought the price down and battery proficiency has improved.
At the moment a £7000 car with an electric motor costs up to £25,000 even with government subsidy, so it's a no-brainer for most people.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Trojan on March 26, 2011, 08:01:30 PM
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If I had an electric car I would get myself a wind generator for my back garden, presuming such an arrangement is feasible.   ZXZ

There's a tower block in Islington with a wind-turbine on it's roof.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Yorkie on March 26, 2011, 08:17:01 PM
The 12 metre high structure generates power for the lifts, lights, water pumps, CCTV and concierge area of Kestrel House, City Road, EC1.  And it is not the only one, the local council is actively promoting this "green" initiative.    Z**
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: DaveR on March 27, 2011, 07:21:43 PM
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great, have to drive to the supermarket everyday to charge it up  :P

until every parking space has a means to charge a car, I maintain electric cars are useless for the majority of people
imagine row upon row of terrace houses with cables stretching over the pavement  :rage:

Plug in electric cars move problems rather than solving them.
Scientists at the University of Illinois have just developed a Lithium battery that can reach 90% charged in just 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Yorkie on March 27, 2011, 07:37:50 PM
At £159.99 each I think I can managhe a few more years before I need one!    ¢¢##
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: hollins on April 03, 2011, 08:52:06 PM
 $thanx$

Has anyone in the area successfully pleaded not guilty to a speeding fine?
The reason I am asking for advice is because I received a letter last week which says I was doing 35 mph in a 30 limit. This was on Llanfair TH road in Abergele. I was going up the hill and could see the van from a long way. I was sure I was doing 28mph.
Does anyone know if it is possible to ask for the evidence before commiting to a court hearing?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Yorkie on April 03, 2011, 09:05:42 PM
If you are a Member of a Motoring organisation such as AA or RAC and have legal cover speak to them.

If not then use a solicitor or do it yourself.  Plenty of advice available on the Internet, or the CAB may be able to help.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: DaveR on April 03, 2011, 09:17:13 PM
Welcome to the Forum, Hollins.  :)

This link has got some info on it:
http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/WhatToDoIfYouGetASpeedingTicket.html (http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/WhatToDoIfYouGetASpeedingTicket.html)
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Fester on April 03, 2011, 09:35:35 PM
Hi Hollins....  I found this .. dunno if its any use.

http://www.drivingexpert.co.uk/can-i-appeal-speeding-ticket.html (http://www.drivingexpert.co.uk/can-i-appeal-speeding-ticket.html)
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: hollins on April 03, 2011, 10:04:09 PM
 $thanx$
Thank you. What a marvellous quick response!
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Fester on April 03, 2011, 10:55:33 PM
We are like that on here !
Title: Traffic Lights on Conwy Rd, Llandudno
Post by: dogstail on June 02, 2011, 12:23:18 AM
Why do these traffic lights as you are waiting to turn into the retail park coming from the links roundabout way change from green straight away only allowing two cars to go through, and then you are sat there ages waiting for the red to change, none of the other lights are the same only these ones!
Title: Re: Traffic Lights on Conwy Rd, Llandudno
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 02, 2011, 08:20:12 AM
FYI, this was raised by another forum user last year.

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:rage:  Still not sure why the traffic lights exiting Mostyn Champneys only go on green for eight seconds causing long hold ups and exiting the other end is just as bad.  :rage:
Title: Re: Traffic Lights on Conwy Rd, Llandudno
Post by: dogstail on June 02, 2011, 11:35:23 AM
ah thank you!! will try and find the topic and have a look
Title: Re: Traffic Lights on Conwy Rd, Llandudno
Post by: Llechwedd on June 02, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
I asked a bus driver this year as we waited fot the lights to change.  he said that Asda paid for the lights and that therefore they are weighted for Asda customers and against Conwy Road traffic. If this is the case it's terrible as there are huge snarl ups there.
Title: Re: Traffic Lights on Conwy Rd, Llandudno
Post by: wrex on June 05, 2011, 08:39:34 PM
 ;)This link proves that there is little interest in the problem,unless its the locals in Tudno ward that are the only people effected as if you live along or just off Maesdu rd it is us who have to use the Links roundabout 6 times a day,if you live in Penrhyn Bay or Craig y donits not such a problem as they have no need to use this road. D)One of Tudno wards County Clls does not drive so takes littleinterest in hold ups.
Title: Re: Traffic Lights on Conwy Rd, Llandudno
Post by: Yorkie on June 05, 2011, 08:52:22 PM
Wrex - if you can find a key that fits the control box you can change the sequence yourself.   The old Police Box (tardis) key that also fitted AA and RAC Boxes used to fit as we (Police) had to turn the lights off for the passage of Royal Personages!    That was a few years ago so . . . . . . . . .  ££$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on June 06, 2011, 08:52:57 AM
Could this be the solution to Llandudno's parking issues?
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http://hpritam.posterous.com/so-you-think-you-can-park-a-car (http://hpritam.posterous.com/so-you-think-you-can-park-a-car)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: bigbadhenry on June 06, 2011, 11:55:15 AM
Mostyn Champneys Retail Park is having cameras and timed parking. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 06, 2011, 12:52:57 PM
It is very likely to affect families thinking of going to the Superbowl followed by a meal at McDonald’s if parking becomes limited to a maximum of two hours.

There again it will help eliminate ice cream vendors and overnight motorhomes from parking long hours and spending very little, if anything at all.

I wonder who will police it?
Title: Re: traffic lights
Post by: wrex on June 07, 2011, 08:05:28 AM
 :( Not sure where the Mostyn Champneys traffic lights link has gone but i did e-mail a Colin Gilligan who is based in Broughton retail park but is responsable for Llandudno,he says he has spoken to highways and they see no problem whatsoever with the traffic lights,they obviously never been there when its busy.On the subject of xmas lights he said it is not policy to light up retail parks,i did ask him then why is Broughton the exception then,i will let you know his answer too that. :roll:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 07, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
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It is very likely to affect families thinking of going to the Superbowl followed by a meal at McDonald’s if parking becomes limited to a maximum of two hours.
. . . . . .etc
I wonder who will police it?

Probably a private firm.  In Tesco they have APNR Cameras that record every vehicle in and out of the car park.  If you overstay and your vehicle is not registered as an employee on the data base, a Fixed Penalty Notice arrives through the post.  These are rigorously followed up if not paid.  (ASDA have attendants.)
This system is operated by many private car parks, and just in case one thinks otherwise, it is perfectly legal and recovery of moneys due has the normal force of law behind it! 

Just because there are no attendants in view does not mean there is no enforcement!    :D
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on June 07, 2011, 09:53:17 PM
 :-[Well this is going to make quite a difference to Llandudno,there are a lot of people park at the side of Iceland and leave their cars there allday while shopping in town.Over the extravaganza weekend B+Q had somebody with a gun at their entrance clocking every car reg.
















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Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 07, 2011, 10:30:04 PM
As a result of the new parking restrictions on Mostyn Champneys, it is quite possible motor vehicles will begin to park all along both sides of the road leading from Mostyn Broadway to Conway Road.

Remember where you heard it first.   
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 08, 2011, 08:01:34 AM
The whole problem lies in the fact that the retail park should have been put "out of town".   The Road arrangements were brought up in the Council during the consultancy period and the developers produced a 400 page document to prove there would be no traffic problems.    If it takes 400 pages to indicate a negative effect on the town's transport arrangements someone was pulling the wool over everybody's eyes.

The problems were foreseen but, as per normal, norhing was done.   And it is too late now unless the lot is pulled down.  :rage:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on June 08, 2011, 11:03:14 PM
 :o Sorry to disagree Yorkie, i think the retail park has been good for Llandudno bringing in such a different range of shops and what is unique about Llandudno  is you can WALK from our retail park into Upper Mostyn St with shops all the way,unfortunatley now we are about to lose the free parking over 2 hours things will change,as for the pathetic traffic lights and exits at Mostyn Champneys and the Asda setup ,that;s down too CCBC.All problems are on Ronnie and Philips ward so lets see some action. ZXZ
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 09, 2011, 10:53:37 AM
Come, come Wrex.  Is it not you who is always complaining about the traffic getting out of Mostyn Champneys onto Conway Road.    This is because the have put the exit of a large Retail Park joining a major commuter road!

You might be able to WALk from the Town centre to the Retail park  to shop.  But this has become essential as we have seen many of our old established shops driven out of business.  Our Main street is now left with pound shops, tat shops, cafes and charity shops by the dozen.   Interspersed with Banks and other financial institutions, it is now a main street without any character or substance.   Very soon I expect to see the tumbleweed rolling along the street.   It can only get worse.

As for traffic and parking - space is at a premium now without further controls being put on what space there is and we have yet to see the full effects.  Be prepared for total gridlock, especially on Bank Holidays.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on June 09, 2011, 09:48:36 PM
 :( Sorry again Yorkie but every town has empty shops at the moment so its hard to tell,as for Llandudno;s empty shops being blamed on Parc Llandudno,of course its taken a few away but it has certainly made Llandudno a better place to shop for most,oap;s may not agree but this town is for all ages. Z**
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on June 09, 2011, 09:52:10 PM
In an ideal world, what would happen is that the chain stores would all move down to Parc Llandudno and rents would fall sufficiently along Mostyn Street to allow all the family businesses back in.  ££$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Pendragon on June 09, 2011, 10:34:19 PM
Y'know maybe I'm wrong but I was in Caernarfon this week and was struck by the amount of local independent shops up and down the high street all busy too.  Bangor has shops closing left right and center and will probably suffer even more when the new Asda is built on our beloved Farrar Road, out of town shopping surely contributes toward shop closures?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on June 10, 2011, 10:23:35 AM
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out of town shopping surely contributes toward shop closures?

It probably does, but I suspect the internet does it even more.  Local shops have to adapt;  they have to find a niche which the larger shops can't or won't fill. The main difference between the chain store and the local person is almost inevitably the levels of personal service and knowledge, hence the proliferation of cafes, hairdressing salons and restaurants.

I've long thought that introducing themed shops could work: Victorian themed sweetshops, for instance, with sweets in giant jars as in yesteryear and selling a range of '50s tat - even quality tat for that matter. That would attract visitors, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 10, 2011, 10:48:13 AM
Selling sweets from big jars?   You'd have the 'elf and safety boys on your tail!    ;D
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on June 10, 2011, 11:06:49 AM
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Selling sweets from big jars?   You'd have the 'elf and safety boys on your tail!

 :o

Actually, there are two ways of doing it, and the most usual is using pre-wrapped sweets in the jars. But I agree that insurance and H & S would be the biggest concerns. When we were last in the States, there was a Victorian-style shop selling Coca Cola for 5 cents a bottle;  not sure how they managed that...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on June 10, 2011, 11:14:33 AM
Grumpys in Upper Mostyn Street is such a sweet shop:

https://www.grumpyssweetshop.com/ (https://www.grumpyssweetshop.com/)

"Take a trip down memory lane with our fantastic retro and old-fashioned sweets! We have an amazing selection of traditional favourites as well as a plentiful selection of modern sweets!

Every product listed has been chosen by Grumpy himself, and because of this we can be confident that you will be completely satisfied with your purchase!

Our shop stocks over 300 variations of sweets that you're bound to remember from your youth, and we're increasing our product range every day. "
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Pendragon on June 10, 2011, 11:22:13 AM
They are quite good on prices too for Llandudno, when I was in the club I used to buy the rhubarb and custards.  The sweet shop in Conwy on Berry Street is a good one as well.  The shop across from the Mail Coach however is a rip off  :o
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: dwsi on June 10, 2011, 12:07:30 PM
two of my friends have local shops and have opened internet stores. If it wasn't for the internet store the physical shop would've had to close a long while ago.

 :rage:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Trojan on June 11, 2011, 02:08:53 AM
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It probably does, but I suspect the internet does it even more.  Local shops have to adapt;  they have to find a niche which the larger shops can't or won't fill. The main difference between the chain store and the local person is almost inevitably the levels of personal service and knowledge, hence the proliferation of cafes, hairdressing salons and restaurants.


Additionally, you can't get a cup of tea, get your hair cut, or buy a steak dinner via the internet.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on June 11, 2011, 08:24:10 AM
There are also certain types of high street retail that are slightly more resilient to the advance of internet retail - clothes, for example, where women like to try the outfit on before buying it.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on June 11, 2011, 08:38:38 AM
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two of my friends have local shops and have opened internet stores. If it wasn't for the internet store the physical shop would've had to close a long while ago.

That isn't a new phenomenon, either; in the late '80s, a model train business moved into premises on the now defunct Platform 3 in Colwyn Bay (our kids were little, I loved trains, and it was nearing Christmas, so I was there quite a bit!) and they also ran a very bust mail-order business.  Given how sparse the interest seemed every time I popped in, it was certainly the mail order side keeping them afloat.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on June 13, 2011, 09:04:17 PM
 :D  Then there is the traffic lights at Mostyn Champneys,they are terrible. WWW
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 14, 2011, 06:54:43 AM
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:D  Then there is the traffic lights at Mostyn Champneys,they are terrible. WWW

They're RED, AMBER and GREEN just like any other traffic lights, do you want some special colours?    L0L
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Trojan on June 14, 2011, 07:01:36 AM
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:D  Then there is the traffic lights at Mostyn Champneys,they are terrible. WWW

They're RED, AMBER and GREEN just like any other traffic lights, do you want some special colours?    L0L

I think the timers have been set in Cardiff to annoy Wrex as the A470 runs the length of Wales from Llandudno to Cardiff.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on June 14, 2011, 11:11:40 PM
 :( It may run from Llandudno but it is known as the Glan Conwy to Cardiff road we don;t even get any recognition there.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Trojan on June 14, 2011, 11:51:06 PM
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:( It may run from Llandudno but it is known as the Glan Conwy to Cardiff road we don;t even get any recognition there.

 :'(
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on June 15, 2011, 09:54:45 AM
Perhaps they have yet to catch up with the fact that the A470 was extended several years ago from Glan Conwy (corner) to Llandudno!!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on June 28, 2011, 07:01:51 AM
 :( I was e-mailed by Chris Patori yesterday from CCBC re -Mostyn Champneys traffic lights and he informs me that they watched the exit last Friday and Saturday lunch time and saw no problem,also they met Llandudno development committee and they had no problem with the exits either.So am i the only one who gets caught in ques trying to exit Mostyn Champneys,please let me know. Z**
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 28, 2011, 08:45:47 AM
Tell him to inspect at 4.00 in the afternoon.   Lunch time is probably the quietist part in the day!   :D
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on June 29, 2011, 04:10:15 PM
I recieved an email fom Colin Gilligan, the park manager, yesterday,
"Can you please advise some more details of what you state is a 'disgrace'. Is this to do with entering or exiting or both? Also is it to do with the time sequencing of the lights or are you referring to something else?
We referred this matter to Highways Department of Conwy Borough Council last year and got the following comments in the reply:
Since receiving your e-mail we have undertaken two observational surveys around 13.00 last Friday and Saturday. At the time of the surveys no problems were evident.
I also mentioned your comments at this week's meeting of the Llandudno Development Partnership Transport sub-group and all present felt that there is not a problem.
 
A follow up email had the following response:
We have no operational need to call our signals contractor over to Llandudno at present and cannot justify the expense of a special visit to view an alleged problem which might not be present when he is on site.
If you could provide the information requested below ie specific instances of when the queuing is believed to be excessive (ie days/dates/times), then we could time an inspection accordingly.
I have been to site several times since we spoke last and I have not witnessed any excessive queuing at the Charlotte Road right turn. I believe one of your complainants has suggested that traffic has been stationary on Conwy Rd (southbound) and Charlotte Rd with nothing apparently happening. This can occur if a pedestrian has pushed a crossing button, but has crossed in a gap in traffic before the pedestrian phase turns green. There is no controller that I am aware of that can compensate for this.
Finally we had the response below to a further follow up email:
I acknowledge that you did complain earlier in the year about the Charlotte Road signals, but that related to the inbound queue from the Links Roundabout direction. I personally visited site on consecutive Saturdays after you raised the issue but found no evidence of that stream being unduly delayed.

Coincidentally I also attended a meeting of the Llandudno Development Partnership this week and a quite contrary view was presented, namely that the major car parks were all working rather well at present. Clearly there will be certain peak times such as half term and Christmas when the signals simply can't handle an overload of traffic and the retail parks become a victim of their own success. With the present road layout and hardware we simply cannot guarantee delay free exit from the retail park on a 24/7 basis.

 

It is clear that from the above emails we have been unable to convince the local authority of our percepption and firm belief that there is a problem with the sequencing of the traffic lights.

I have copied in Chris Pastori of Conwy County Council in this email."

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on June 30, 2011, 10:34:47 PM
 :o Not really shocked just disgusted,CCBC take 2000,000 pounds of Parc Llandudno,they screw visitors to Llandudno by charging to park on the prom, then decide they will not bother with the electric car park signs,WHOOPEE for CCBC,TAKE TAKE TAKE from Llandudno with nowt in return. :rage:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on July 01, 2011, 09:05:12 AM
I've just got details of a very nice house in the Valley of the Racehorse which has given me the urge to consider moving from this great and wonderful resort back to the Country of my birth.   :D

Then I for one, and her indoors for two, won't have to put up with the constant failings of the Local and County Councils any more.    :rage:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 01, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
I have to say, in spite of the various council's failings, this is still a fabulous place to live  8) 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on July 20, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
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That isn't a new phenomenon, either; in the late '80s, a model train business moved into premises on the now defunct Platform 3 in Colwyn Bay (our kids were little, I loved trains, and it was nearing Christmas, so I was there quite a bit!) and they also ran a very bust mail-order business.  Given how sparse the interest seemed every time I popped in, it was certainly the mail order side keeping them afloat.
Photo of the train that was displayed at Platform 3:
clwyd - preserved 0-6-0t within colwyn bay station early 93 JL (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmightycat/5943605770/#)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on July 20, 2011, 06:15:18 PM
Photo of the train that was displayed at Platform 3:
clwyd - preserved 0-6-0t within colwyn bay station early 93 JL (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmightycat/5943605770/#)
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I've enjoyed many  great meals in those carriages on Platform 3.      :)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on July 29, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
 :D A Mr Colin Pastori from highways has agreed to meet me outside Smyths toyshop on Sat 26 Nov to see how bad it is to get out of Mostyn Champneys when busy and to show him the dangers on the Mostyn Broadway exit,you watch it will be dead that day and i will look a right idiot. :-[
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on July 29, 2011, 09:50:11 PM
 $walesflag$ 4 pm  D)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on July 29, 2011, 10:27:48 PM
That's a long time hence Wrex. Could he not manage a Saturday before then? He must have a full diary!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Fester on July 30, 2011, 12:33:01 AM
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That's a long time hence Wrex. Could he not manage a Saturday before then? He must have a full diary!

It should be very busy with Xmas shoppers at that time of year... so he may well see a great example of how bad it is, and it really is bad sometimes.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on July 30, 2011, 07:53:48 AM
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:D A Mr Colin Pastori from highways has agreed to meet me outside Smyths toyshop on Sat 26 Nov to see how bad it is to get out of Mostyn Champneys when busy and to show him the dangers on the Mostyn Broadway exit,you watch it will be dead that day and i will look a right idiot. :-[

I've diarised the date!   About 4.00 p.m. is a good time.

Why on Earth don't they install a time lapse camera for a couple of days, that would give them all the information they need?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on July 30, 2011, 10:51:47 AM
   :-[ Sorry his name is Chris not Colin,and i did request a November date,unfortunately there may be a few empty units with the rumours about Comet,Iceland and Rosbys so who knows how busy it will be. ZXZ
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on July 30, 2011, 11:54:32 AM
Could always get the local (or not so local) car clubs to drive round and round the block.  Sort of fabricating the evidence like wot some official organisations do!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 01, 2011, 11:11:42 PM
We enjoyed the opening night of the musical 'Dreamboats and Petticoats' at Venue Cymru this evening and on the way out at 10pm I could not help notice several cars were parked on the road in Champneys Retail Park from Mostyn Broadway over to Conway Road.

It is the first time I have seen it but it reminded me of my prediction last December.

I wonder if this practice will begin to catch on in daylight hours for workers in Llandudno with further parking restrictions in the pipeline for the more popular streets.

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As a result of the new parking restrictions on Mostyn Champneys, it is quite possible motor vehicles will begin to park all along both sides of the road leading from Mostyn Broadway to Conway Road.

Remember where you heard it first.   

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on August 02, 2011, 08:17:29 AM
Charlotte Road, I think it is.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 02, 2011, 10:44:34 AM
I have never seen cars parked along Charlotte Road before so I assume this is a direct result of the new parking restriction on Mostyn Champneys which doesn’t allow theatre goers any longer than 2 hours free parking.

I don’t blame the motorists all facing Conway Road for a smooth getaway later.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on August 02, 2011, 04:24:33 PM
Your right Bri ,there is one parked on the road opposite the old Halfords this afternoon and they have pushed their mirror in.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: dogstail on August 06, 2011, 09:52:47 PM
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I have never seen cars parked along Charlotte Road before so I assume this is a direct result of the new parking restriction on Mostyn Champneys which doesn’t allow theatre goers any longer than 2 hours free parking.

I don’t blame the motorists all facing Conway Road for a smooth getaway later.

no they do park there if theres ever anythig on at the theatre and at xmas time

Title: Its Back !
Post by: Fester on September 29, 2011, 10:57:01 PM
Well, for some strange reason, the SAME 4 X 4 vehicle is back up Snowdon... I think someone else bought it recently though,

See here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-15108712 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-15108712)
Title: Re: Its Back !
Post by: Nemesis on September 30, 2011, 08:25:40 AM
This will end up becoming a challenge to see who can get what up there.
Title: Re: Its Back !
Post by: Pendragon on September 30, 2011, 08:58:51 AM
What idiots..............people really don't understand the dangers do they.  Prosecute them and hand them the bill for the recovery charges.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: DaveR on September 30, 2011, 08:33:48 PM
...and crush the car so they can't do it again.  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on November 22, 2011, 09:17:36 PM
 ZXZ Meeting Mr Pastori this saturday at Mostyn Champneys 4 30  i pray it is busy or i might look a wally. _))*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Pendragon on November 22, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
Good luck Wrex  $good$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on November 23, 2011, 08:55:05 AM
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ZXZ Meeting Mr Pastori this saturday at Mostyn Champneys 4 30  i pray it is busy or i might look a wally. _))*

Would you like some moral support?   ZXZ
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on November 27, 2011, 02:45:58 PM
Sorry Yorkie only just read your message,Mr Pastori did a survey last August bank holiday and the average time to clear Charlotte rd was four minutes,unfortunately they only counted the cars on the road and NOT the time it took cars to reach the MINI-ROUNDABOUT,so the time it takes you to get off the actual car park was not taken into account they only timed each car when it was on Charlotte road.It was all down to money, Ihave come to the conclusion that it is a massive waste of time complaining to councillors or officers because they don;t give a damn.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on November 27, 2011, 04:31:05 PM
I think he needs bringing into order.  The length of road from the mini roundabout is so short that it will always work in his favour.  Let me put my thinking cap on for a day or so!   ;)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on November 27, 2011, 05:01:46 PM
Wrex - I think we will have to go back to the original traffic management consutation doument that the Council was presented with prior to the new ASDA development going ahead.   I did complain at the time and suggested that the arrangements proposed would have problems.    The prioity then, and seemingly still now, is that priority is given to the traffic leaving ASDA, which coupled with the other Conwy Road traffic, neccesitates having a long phase on Conwy Road to prevent back up to the ASDA exit. 

Maybe you would like to request a copy of the Traffic Management document from CCBC?    ZXZ
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: dwsi on December 05, 2011, 07:44:28 PM
BBC News - Every death on every road in Great Britain 1999-2010 http://bbc.in/t7cWP4 (http://bbc.in/t7cWP4)
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: DaveR on December 16, 2011, 09:22:48 AM
The A55 is currently at a standstill apparently once you get past Abergele, due to snow and ice. Gets worse as you get closer to Chester.

Traffic Cam at A55 Waen:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northeastwales/trafficcameras/trafficwalesnorth/trafficwalesnorthCameraN0213/?epoch=1324027858&enabled=1&asset=CameraN0213 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northeastwales/trafficcameras/trafficwalesnorth/trafficwalesnorthCameraN0213/?epoch=1324027858&enabled=1&asset=CameraN0213)
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: DaveR on December 16, 2011, 10:23:33 AM
A55 Denbighshire - A55 Rhuallt Hill closed, stationary traffic, hazardous driving conditions and long delays eastbound between J27, A525 (St Asaph) and J29, Pant-Y-Dulath, because of snow. Police directing traffic. Diversion in operation - traffic is being directed onto the A525 towards Ruthlan.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: DaveR on December 16, 2011, 10:51:47 AM
Quite a few problems at Rhuallt Hill, judging by the Traffic Cam:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northeastwales/trafficcameras/trafficwalesnorth/trafficwalesnorthCameraN0214/?epoch=1324032359&enabled=1&asset=CameraN0214.jpg (http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northeastwales/trafficcameras/trafficwalesnorth/trafficwalesnorthCameraN0214/?epoch=1324032359&enabled=1&asset=CameraN0214.jpg)
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 16, 2011, 11:45:54 AM
Sadly, the camera is disabled.

I am leaving at Noon to travel up the M6 to bring our youngest home for Xmas.

I guess the coast road and over the new Dee Bridge it will have to be then.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Nemesis on December 16, 2011, 01:16:53 PM
Some ladies, talking to me in M&S this a.m. had set off for Chester and turned back 'cos of the weather only to find that the other roads around the Rhyl area were like skating rinks.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Bellringer on December 16, 2011, 03:50:28 PM
Some friends of ours left first thing this morning to attend a funeral at 11 near Rockferry, needless to say they were late. They are currently somewhere on their way back to Conwy.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: DaveR on December 16, 2011, 04:43:08 PM
Some people were stuck for nearly 3 hours on the A55 between St. Asaph and Rhuallt Hill.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 16, 2011, 07:02:48 PM
Fortunately for me I saw the queue just in front of me around 12.30pm and immediately turned off at St Asaph and took the back road to Mold and it was fine except for sleet, snow and lighting.

There were long queues on the M56 travelling east but later the sun was shining on the M6 travelling north.

However, there were long queues on the other side - M6 South from Jct 22.

Coming back the queues were from Jct 23 apparently down to Sandbach.

I cannot understand why the motorway signs indicated there was congestion between Jcts 20 -19 when the reality was from Jct 23 – Jct 17.

I found it frustrating when I needed to get off the M6 at Jct 20 to join the M56 West.

The A55 east was clear around an hour ago.

All in all I took nearly six hours when normally the journey there and back would be only four hours.
Title: Re: Driving...in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 20, 2011, 06:26:40 PM
I was in a car driving down the A470  on Saturday, we were heading for Betws Y Coed when the traffic stopped at a bend near Maenan.
We could see a Fire Engine, Ambulance and Police car on the scene and what looked like a car in a field.  It looked quite bad so we  turned back and went to Betws via Tal Y Cafn bridge.
I've seen nothing at all on the news about the accident so I hope that no one has been seriously hurt as a result of the crash.
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: frankj3 on January 16, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
have you never done anything wrong in your life
Title: Re: The latest road tragedy
Post by: Pendragon on January 16, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
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have you never done anything wrong in your life
Any one who tried to answer that question with No would be a liar.
Title: A55 disruption
Post by: martin on January 24, 2012, 07:19:40 PM
My wife is travelling to Liverpool later this week setting off about 08.30 hrs.  Can anyone tell me if the recent disruption during the rush hour caused by the maintenance work being done to the lamp posts has finished?  Thanks in anticipation.
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: DaveR on January 24, 2012, 07:34:09 PM
Still ongoing, according to this website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northwestwales/roads/planned/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northwestwales/roads/planned/)

A55 Conwy, both ways between J19 A547 Conway Road and J20 A547 Brompton Avenue
One lane closed on A55 in both directions between J19, A547 (Black Cat) and J20, A547 (Colwyn Bay), because of roadworks.
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: martin on January 24, 2012, 07:56:57 PM
Thanks Dave, appreciate the information. $good$
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: suepp on January 24, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
There was a crash on the west bound side between Colwyn Bay and Llandudno Junction this morning which added an hour to my journey to Bangor  today, I understand three lorries were involved but have not seen or heard anything about it on the news, it happened very near to the coned off section :(
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: wrex on March 15, 2012, 07:39:23 AM
I am glad to see the roads surroundingParc Llandudno are about to be re-surfaced they where in dire need,
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on March 15, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Time something was done with the holes in the roundabout between Chapel Street and Arvon Ave, before there is a nasty accident.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on March 15, 2012, 06:28:20 PM
In the last few days I have done a lot of driving around North Wales sorting out Car Club Driving Routes and have been astonished about the amount of resurfacing that has been done and is still on going.  There are large areas on many major and minor roads that have been completely resurfaced (not patched) as far away as Dolgellau, Morfa Nevin, Bala and the Ruthin area to name but a few.  They are laying the "silent" running black top which is great to drive on giving very little road and tyre noise.

Many of the roads I have seen resurfaced are B Class roads and ones that have very little traffic (which is why we use them!).   ;)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: dwsi on April 01, 2012, 11:41:19 AM
A55 toll road? http://bit.ly/HJcPmm (http://bit.ly/HJcPmm)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Paddy on April 01, 2012, 12:04:40 PM
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A55 toll road? http://bit.ly/HJcPmm (http://bit.ly/HJcPmm)
Dwsi, check your calendar!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: JasonW on April 01, 2012, 12:12:11 PM
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A55 toll road? http://bit.ly/HJcPmm (http://bit.ly/HJcPmm)
Dwsi, check your calendar!
Sorry I couldn't resist
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: dwsi on April 01, 2012, 12:31:33 PM
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Dwsi, check your calendar!
Sorry I couldn't resist

and i couldn't resist repeating it  _))*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: JasonW on April 01, 2012, 01:34:45 PM
 $good$ _))*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on July 06, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
"a55 westbound traffic under signal going into Conwy tunnel, backed up to Black Cat...water 10 inches deep at Aber!"
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on July 06, 2012, 05:41:16 PM
And the traffic coming off the A55 as a result is "clogging up" Conwy, so rather slow going!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on July 06, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Photo of the flooding at Aber:
https://twitter.com/srgow/status/221270404134739970/photo/1
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on July 06, 2012, 08:33:18 PM
All seems to be running on the A55 and through the Conwy tunnel OK now, and surrounding roads in Deganwy and Conwy itself
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Ian on July 07, 2012, 01:23:26 PM
A55 closed westbound because of animal incursions.
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: DaveR on November 24, 2013, 08:06:42 PM
It always amazes me that large sections of the A55 are completely unlit at night. We can apparently afford to have street lighting along little used side roads, but not along the main highway through North Wales?
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Fester on November 24, 2013, 08:17:39 PM
Indeed Dave, it does get pretty hairy driving on certain parts of the A55 in the hours of darkness.

When the weather is bad, it's nigh on terrifying....... and try overtaking a truck with water flying up the windscreen at you!
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Yorkie on November 24, 2013, 08:21:52 PM
Just have to drive within your capabilities, weather conditions and traffic at the time!   There are thousands of miles on unlit road, especially Motorways, and to light every mile would cost the taxpayer dearly.    ZXZ
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 24, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
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Indeed Dave, it does get pretty hairy driving on certain parts of the A55 in the hours of darkness.

I find turning the headlamps on helps no end!  :twoface:  ;D
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Linda on November 25, 2013, 12:37:33 AM
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Indeed Dave, it does get pretty hairy driving on certain parts of the A55 in the hours of darkness.

I find turning the headlamps on helps no end!  :twoface:  ;D

 _))* _))* love it!
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Ian on November 25, 2013, 08:05:11 AM
 _))* _))* _))*

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It always amazes me that large sections of the A55 are completely unlit at night. We can apparently afford to have street lighting along little used side roads, but not along the main highway through North Wales?

Street lights have more functions than road lights, though; in towns and villages street lights are there to help pedestrians and to reduce crime. On Motorway-type roads their only function is to help motorists.
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2013, 08:20:33 AM
That doesn't really explain why lighting is provided on some sections of the A55 and not others though?
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Yorkie on November 25, 2013, 11:13:00 AM
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That doesn't really explain why lighting is provided on some sections of the A55 and not others though?

Here are the why's and wherefore's including the Relevent Codes of Practice.

www.ukroads.org/ukroadlighting/scripts/standards.asp (http://www.ukroads.org/ukroadlighting/scripts/standards.asp)

BS 5489:1:2003   Code of practice for the design of road lighting. Lighting of ...
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Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Ian on November 25, 2013, 12:09:00 PM
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That doesn't really explain why lighting is provided on some sections of the A55 and not others though?

No, it doesn't.  Always wondered about that...
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Yorkie on November 25, 2013, 12:26:52 PM
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That doesn't really explain why lighting is provided on some sections of the A55 and not others though?

No, it doesn't.  Always wondered about that...

I think you will find that lighting is mainly found near to junctions and slip roads.  Lighting on other sections is due to the classification of that stretch of road.  Don't ask me how they differentiate between classifications!  That's probably "classified information".
    ZXZ
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2013, 01:28:44 PM
The section between Llanddulas - Colwyn Bay is a good example of section that is lit, but has no junctions or special features that require it to be so.

When on the M6 the other week, I noticed a sign saying that the lighting was switched off during certain hours to save money. I thought to myself that if we can't afford to have the lights on along one of the busiest motorways in the UK, then we really are doomed...
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: norman08 on November 25, 2013, 01:55:31 PM
why this country can,t have solar panels on the posts like some countries iv,e been to , too easy,  passing st asaph park so many lights they dazzle you .
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: Mikethewatch on November 25, 2013, 04:07:12 PM
Solar panels and batteries would need to be massive to power effective street lights
Title: Re: A55 disruption
Post by: DaveR on November 26, 2013, 11:22:22 AM
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Solar panels and batteries would need to be massive to power effective street lights
If you look on the Brompton Ave roundabout in Rhos, you'll see the arrow signs on the roundabout all have solar powered lights fitted now, albeit a bit bulky looking ones!

Advances in both battery & lighting technology (primarily the switch to low power LED lighting) have made solar lights viable at long last:
http://www.solar-candela.co.uk/ (http://www.solar-candela.co.uk/)

They have even been installed in Porthmadog!
http://www.solar-candela.co.uk/news_more.asp?newsID=11&page=1 (http://www.solar-candela.co.uk/news_more.asp?newsID=11&page=1)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 14, 2014, 07:05:35 AM
Having spent millions on the A470 through Glan Conwy earlier this year, relaying it completely and causing horrendous queues in the process, the road is now being dug up again in several bits in Glan Conwy, once again causing massive queues when visitors are trying to return to Llandudno in the evening. 

It's been going on for three weeks, now.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on August 14, 2014, 09:11:09 AM
Seems to be a thing that after a road is resurfaced they have to dig (parts of) it up again!

The road I live in (a cul-de-sac) was resurfaced with poor quality tar (they actually called it slurry, which conjures up an impression) just over 12 months ago - when we complained about the shoddy work the local councillor told us that it was expected to last three years - we've lived here over 30 years and the road had never been touched before, and there was very little wrong with it!  The new surface barely lasted a couple of days before breaking up.

Since then every one of the utility companies has had a go digging part of it, some more than once!  So we now have a poor surface with occasional smaller areas of good tarmac!!!

The road past the Welsh Assembly building was re-surfaced the same time as our road (not far away), but the new surface there is not the same as the stuff they gave us - strange that!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on August 14, 2014, 09:18:44 AM
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Having spent millions on the A470 through Glan Conwy earlier this year, relaying it completely and causing horrendous queues in the process, the road is now being dug up again in several bits in Glan Conwy, once again causing massive queues when visitors are trying to return to Llandudno in the evening. 

It's been going on for three weeks, now.


I drive through Glan Conwy quite often & this work was due to a burst of some sort as the road was slowly rising in the area of the roadworks. I can understand you complaining if the work was pre-planned as happened in the past with Mostyn Street but it is unfair to criticise emergency repairs unless it was damage caused by the resurfacing, which we will probably never know.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 14, 2014, 09:45:14 AM
The interesting thing is that the newly repaired section of road - which they now appear to have finished - has a distinct dip in it,  which is extremely noticeable as you drive across it. I wondered if it had been an emergency but that still doesn't get round the fact that it's not been well re-re-surfaced.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on August 15, 2014, 10:10:36 AM
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Seems to be a thing that after a road is resurfaced they have to dig (parts of) it up again!

The road I live in (a cul-de-sac) was resurfaced with poor quality tar (they actually called it slurry, which conjures up an impression) just over 12 months ago - when we complained about the shoddy work the local councillor told us that it was expected to last three years - we've lived here over 30 years and the road had never been touched before, and there was very little wrong with it!  The new surface barely lasted a couple of days before breaking up.

Since then every one of the utility companies has had a go digging part of it, some more than once!  So we now have a poor surface with occasional smaller areas of good tarmac!!!

The road past the Welsh Assembly building was re-surfaced the same time as our road (not far away), but the new surface there is not the same as the stuff they gave us - strange that!
Slurry sealing is the cheapest possible way to resurface a road or pavement. On pavements, its not too bad, but its not really suitable for roads. It basically involves just pouring this hot bitumen mix onto the road and letting it set.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on September 18, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
LOOK: How A483 and A55 roadworks will affect your journey for next seven months

Full breakdown of the £5.3m works, due to last until March next year, confirmed by The Highways Agency

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-how-a483-a55-roadworks-7787111 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-how-a483-a55-roadworks-7787111)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 01, 2014, 12:19:29 PM
More investment needed for A55 and North Wales transport

call for more investment in North Wales projects, saying: “The A55 is not fit for purpose in a lot of places. We lack hard shoulders and the quality of junctions that enable traffic to flow more freely. There are still bottlenecks at Queensferry along the A494 and over the River Dee. Massive investment is needed, but will be dependent on funding being available from the Welsh Government. In my constituency we need to plan for a new Menai crossing, the only part of the A55 which is still single-carriageway.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/more-investment-needed-a55-north-7862072 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/more-investment-needed-a55-north-7862072)

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 06, 2014, 10:18:55 AM
A55 roadworks at St Asaph cause long delays

There are reports of tail backs from junction 27 St Asaph as far back as Rhuallt Hill in the westbound direction. Shorter delays have been reported in the eastbound direction.
One lane in each direction has been closed for the work which is due to be completed later this week.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-roadworks-st-asaph-cause-7887396 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-roadworks-st-asaph-cause-7887396)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area near conwy tunnel crash
Post by: SteveH on October 06, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
A55: A blue Vauxhall Corsa is being recovered from the A55 near the Conwy Tunnel entrance after it collided with the central reservation. An ambulance is at the scene but there are no details of injuries. Meanwhile, further east at junction 35, the fire service have been called to deal with another blue Vauxhall Corsa which is reported on fire. Police said a woman has been taken to hospital with slight injuries suffered in that incident.
Ref DP blog
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 06, 2014, 11:06:12 AM
CONWY: Two women were given precautionary check-up by paramedics after their car collided near Conwy tunnel. A Welsh Ambulance Service spokesperson said a crew in an emergency ambulance came across the collision. 
Ref DP blog
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 06, 2014, 01:19:32 PM
A55 'glare risk' for drivers in October
Low autumn sun glare across the A55 expressway in the north is a potentially lethal driving hazard, warns a motoring body.

Since 2010, an average of 28 road deaths a year in Britain are down to drivers being dazzled, said the AA
Sunrise and sunset have moved into the morning and evening rush hours for the UK's commuters until the clocks go back on Sunday 26 October, the AA says.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29472183 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29472183)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on October 06, 2014, 01:21:43 PM
Isn't there a recall on Vauxhall Corsas at the mo'?
I wonder if either car is subject to that recall?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 08, 2014, 05:41:19 PM
Welsh Government's lack of communication over A55 roadworks slammed as 'crazy'

The work to install emergency crossing points in the central reservation and hard shoulders is being conducted over three phases between October and February next year but the removal and re-emergence of lane closures without any clear notice, or sign that work is taking place, has prompted opposition AMs to hit out.
The Welsh Government said the closures with no workforce are needed to allow concrete safety fence foundations to harden

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-governments-lack-communication-over-7903183 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-governments-lack-communication-over-7903183)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on October 08, 2014, 05:47:36 PM
It's intriguing.  “The information they have given is not specific enough. It isn’t rocket science. They must have a plan they are working to. This is just crazy.”


Indeed,  and the same could be said of every local council in the area, especially CCBC...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 14, 2014, 10:22:56 AM
A55 roadworks return and cause long delays between Abergele and Bodelwyddan

Drivers faced queues of several miles during the morning rush hour as roadworks returned to  the A55.
The delays hit motorists travelling between Abergele and Bodelwyddan where the expressway is  down to one lane on both carriageways.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-roadworks-return-cause-long-7931000 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-roadworks-return-cause-long-7931000) :(
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 22, 2014, 11:35:29 AM
Drivers left in a spin by new traffic signs in Llandudno

Conwy County Council introduced the new colour coded signage but they have instead caused confusion among motorists who claim they “contradict” those signs currently directing traffic.

Llandudno resident Clive Thomas, aged 39, said: “While the new colour coded signs are a good idea, with others already in place it has caused quite a bit of confusion which could end up being damaging to the town.
“Drivers don’t know whether they are coming or going and with the signs being so close together, they contradict which avenues are best to find a parking spot.
“It seems strange that the council has put these up when there are already signs available should drivers need directions.”
In total, 39 signs are being erected, and motorists are advised to follow green for the town centre, red for Venue Cymru, blue for the retail park and brown for long stay parking
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139705/drivers-left-in-a-spin-by-new-traffic-signs-in-llandudno.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139705/drivers-left-in-a-spin-by-new-traffic-signs-in-llandudno.aspx)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Yorkie on October 22, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
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In total, 39 signs are being erected, and motorists are advised to follow green for the town centre, red for Venue Cymru, blue for the retail park and brown for long stay parking


And colour blind people are left to go round in ever decreasing circles until they disappear . . . . . .

 _))*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on June 01, 2015, 11:59:48 AM
Huge A55 bus blaze at Rhuallt Hill

Passengers had to flee for their lives after a bus caught fire in a "massive" blaze on the A55.
Motorists reported seeing flames shoot out from the Cavendish bus which was quickly enveloped in a cloud of thick black smoke.
Initial reports from the emergency services suggest all the passengers on board escaped unharmed.
The fire started, just before 10.15am as the bus was travelling in the eastbound carriageway to the top of Rhuallt Hill.

Diversions are now in place and North Wales Police is warning drivers to expect delays until further notice
PHOTOS
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-huge-a55-bus-blaze-9365818?f (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-huge-a55-bus-blaze-9365818?f)

A55 E'bound.Fire service have extinguished vehicle.Awaiting recovery.Diversion remain until further notice.Delays on Rhuallt Hill. Ref  NWPC 11.44
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: hollins on June 01, 2015, 04:43:54 PM
I hope everyone did escape unharmed as the report says. I was taking my mum home and got caught up the the traffic jam just after Denbigh/St Asaph. The trip took about 2 hours longer than normal but at least we are safe. While we we queuing up the hill a police car brought an Alpine coach up through the jam, obviously to pick up the poor stranded passengers.
We were taken off at the junction at the top of the hill so I retreated back down the A55 and carried on through Trefnant to Mold and back to the A55 at Queensferry.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on June 25, 2015, 10:01:41 AM
A55: Welsh Government's seeks millions in EU cash to improve road

A multi-million pound EU funding bid to improve the A55 and turn Holyhead into a key link on the European transport network has been made by the Welsh Government.
Transport Minister Edwina Hart made the announcement as she explores how Brussels can help to pay to maintain the region’s key trunk road.

A government source told the Daily Post that the A55 was eligible for the bid on the basis that the money would be used to remove bottlenecks that “hamper the smooth functioning of the internal (European) market”.
The road is seen as key because it is the main link between Ireland and the UK and on to mainland Europe.

The funding bid has been submitted to the Trans European Transport Network (TEN-T) “motorways of the sea” project but the Welsh Government refused to say how much money it had applied for from the EU.

Ms Hart also reiterated the Welsh Government’s commitment to invest millions of pounds in North Wales’s transport network over the next few years.

Key pledges include;   http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-welsh-governments-seeks-millions-9522001 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-welsh-governments-seeks-millions-9522001)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on June 25, 2015, 11:23:19 AM
The coast Road past Bodafon Fields is being re-surfaced ( Thank goodness ), but traffic lights are causing queuing and delays. Trouble is that too many large vehicles are trying to get around this via Bodafon Rd and Bryn-y-Bia and it makes using the road quite hairy !
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 03, 2015, 06:46:31 PM
Three motorcyclists dead in separate incidents:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-33755093 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-33755093)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2015, 06:49:39 PM
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Three motorcyclists dead in separate incidents:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-33755093 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-33755093)

Not exactly in the area Ian. I wonder how many of the three fatalities were rider error?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 03, 2015, 06:50:47 PM
No idea Dave, but they weren't young guys.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2015, 06:56:21 PM
When they released figures the other year the surprising factor was that the average age of a Welsh motorbike fatality was mid fifties. I guess they are the age group that can finance the big fast bikes and the fuel to run them. Being a non biker and past the age of needing to regain my youth I was amazed at the cost of biking.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on August 04, 2015, 09:41:23 AM
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When they released figures the other year the surprising factor was that the average age of a Welsh motorbike fatality was mid fifties. I guess they are the age group that can finance the big fast bikes and the fuel to run them. Being a non biker and past the age of needing to regain my youth I was amazed at the cost of biking.
You see them every weekend around Snowdonia. Middle aged men on powerful bikes. I'm sure Freud would have a lot to say about them...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 11, 2015, 07:35:15 AM
I found it very odd that BBC Wales' 1830 TV News bulletin last night contained no mention of the Propane Tanker fire on the M56. It was the Westbound carriageway on which the fire occurred, and that would have been the very place where large numbers of North Wales commuters might have been attempting to make their way home. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 09, 2015, 10:34:23 PM


A tunnel on one of Wales' busiest commuter routes faces nightly closures for up to nine weeks as new lighting is installed as part of a £42m upgrade.

The westbound carriageway of the A55 Penmaenbach tunnel will be completely closed at night with just one lane open during the day from 18 October



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-34486535 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-34486535)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on October 19, 2015, 08:58:27 AM
From the DP:

Nearly 1,500 vehicles have been involved in smashes on the A55 over the last three years sparking calls for a safety review. And there has been a worrying rise in crashes by almost half during that period, involving cars, vans, motorbikes and lorries, figures have revealed.

Between October 2012 and September 2013 there were 335 on North Wales’ main dual carriageway. That had risen to 484 from October 2014 to September 2015 – about a 44% increase.

Full story:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/crashes-a55-rise-half-last-10285645#rlabs=2%20rt (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/crashes-a55-rise-half-last-10285645#rlabs=2%20rt)$sitewide%20p$1
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 21, 2015, 10:37:30 AM
Yesterday at approx 4.45 pm I was driving along the A470 from Betws Y Coed and came to the Black Cat roundabout in Glan Conwy.   I needed some groceries so I took the slip road to Tesco's at Llandudno Junction.
As soon as I was on the slip road I realised that it was a big, big mistake.   The A55 was grid locked and it took about 30 minutes just to get to the Tesco roundabout and it was grid locked there too.
I turned around and went to Morrison's in Colwyn Bay instead.
I feel sorry for the daily commuters on this stretch of the A55
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on October 21, 2015, 12:55:12 PM
I don't think there'll ever come a time when the A55 is clear.

Yesterday my mother-in-law had an appointment at Ysbyty Gwynedd at 11am.  My wife was concerned about parking so I offered to take them as I could drive away and return when they phoned to say they were ready.

Fortunately my car has Sat Nav and it immediately showed a red line from Conwy to Bangor with the warning symbols.  Although this was at 10am (I was in the Junction) it gave an ETA of 1130, so we would have been late.

I went into Conwy and over Sychnant Pass, getting to the A55 immediately before the tunnel leading to Llanfairfechan.  Then had a clear run and we arrived at Ysbyty Gwynedd at 1045 ... 45 minutes earlier than the original ETA.

I don't know what had happened to cause such a delay - on our return we had a non-stop run eastwards along the A55 and all we saw were some workers near the Puffin roundabout where the road went into one lane.  It must have been lunch-break as they were sitting on the armco!

What I find mildly amusing is that the press have given the reason for the single-lane working for the next two months as being to improve lighting to improve safety (how does that work) and to avoid constant future work - now that last statement I do not believe for one moment.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on October 21, 2015, 01:43:53 PM
And it will get worse.....

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-two-year-traffic-misery-10295540 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-two-year-traffic-misery-10295540)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: FatAndy on October 21, 2015, 06:01:41 PM
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Yesterday at approx 4.45 pm I was driving along the A470 from Betws Y Coed and came to the Black Cat roundabout in Glan Conwy.   I needed some groceries so I took the slip road to Tesco's at Llandudno Junction.As soon as I was on the slip road I realised that it was a big, big mistake.   The A55 was grid locked and it took about 30 minutes just to get to the Tesco roundabout and it was grid locked there too.


There was an accident in the roadworks on the Westbound side just after 4.00pm so the queues were probably far worse than they normally would have been (although I'm sure they'd have been bad enough anyway).
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 21, 2015, 08:09:45 PM
Something to look forward to in 2017

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-two-year-traffic-misery-10295540 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-two-year-traffic-misery-10295540)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on October 21, 2015, 08:22:55 PM
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Something to look forward to in 2017

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-two-year-traffic-misery-10295540 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-two-year-traffic-misery-10295540)


There's not a lot of room for the two east bound slip ways when you consider the proximity of the railway lines.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 21, 2015, 08:48:00 PM
They should have thought of that when they designed the A55,  but it was all done as cheaply as possible and now there are ongoing problems with it.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on October 22, 2015, 09:04:35 AM
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Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on October 22, 2015, 11:40:55 AM
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They should have thought of that when they designed the A55,  but it was all done as cheaply as possible and now there are ongoing problems with it.
The work to remove the roundabouts is long overdue, but can only cause traffic chaos whilst it is being carried out. As has been said, it should have been done properly in the first place.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Gwynant on October 22, 2015, 11:45:25 AM
       When we were returning home from a day trip to Dublin very early this morning there were traffic lights in operation at about 1 a.m. on either side of the Penmaenbach tunnel, (which is completely closed at night for the lighting updating work), and only one lane at a time in operation using only the outer lane around the headland.
     We were lucky as the lights were on green as we approached from the Penmaenmawr side and we were in amongst a large convoy of HGVs from the ferries which docked in Holyhead around midnight but there were quite a few queueing on the Conwy side at the red light en route to catch the outgoing ferries. I don't know what time this system comes into operation every night but as we were going to Holyhead yesterday morning at about 7 a.m. there was just one lane using the tunnel and no delays although the road was very busy.
     I realise that there is no alternative to this system as there is definitely not much room for two of those massive HGVs on a contraflow system around the the outer lanes of the headland, but if there is any problem on the one lane in the tunnel  travelling towards Bangor (as I believe there was on Tuesday) there is no alternative route available to use once you are "trapped" on the A55, although I note that there are plans to install ECRs ( emergency crossing routes/gates) like the ones between Aber and Llandegai every 2.5k in the future but that won't help in the Penmaenbach area with the present system.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on October 22, 2015, 11:50:37 AM
The Tunnels are another example of penny pinching when the A55 was built, using the old route as one lane is obviously unsuitable for a major road but was a lot cheaper than building two tunnels.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on October 22, 2015, 05:31:42 PM
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The Tunnels are another example of penny pinching when the A55 was built, using the old route as one lane is obviously unsuitable for a major road but was a lot cheaper than building two tunnels.

The odd thing is that it's a 30mph limit now that traffic is using it as a dual carriage way, when things were coming at you head on it was the maximum speed limit if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on October 23, 2015, 07:44:52 AM
I think you're right. As Dave R has said to leave that convoluted road in place as one carriageway was just penny pinching.   
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 30, 2015, 05:23:21 PM
Not exactly road conditions but these efforts at parking don't help anyone.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-worst-parking-back-10517518 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-worst-parking-back-10517518)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 12, 2015, 03:56:06 PM
There was quite a lot of flood water on the road from Llandudno Junction to Deganwy earlier today but some places have had it worse.


Flood warnings as rain affects travel in north and mid Wales


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35077060 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35077060)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 26, 2015, 05:05:03 PM
Homes evacuated and A5 and A55 shut in north Wales floods


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35181479 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35181479)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on December 27, 2015, 10:59:15 AM
Update: A470 closed both ways between Glan Conwy and Betwys. A5 closed at Corwen.

Upon approaching one of the chaps from the Environment agency in Llanrwst last night and asking him where was the expensive flood barrier defence installed in 2012, he replied "The key's in Llandudno...".  He might not have been telling the truth, I suppose, but I do know from their website how badly organised the Environment Agency is. Could they be so inept that the key required to activate the flood defence system is kept in Llandudno?  That'd make a nice piece for the Daily Post...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: hollins on December 27, 2015, 02:26:19 PM
We went for lunch yesterday to Tyddyn Llan in Llandrillo and had to drive through the River Dee flood at Corwen. The water was crashing across the road like a stormy sea and that was just the water from the fields going across the road, not the torrent that was going under the bridge.
Quite a scary sight and not a good day for driving anywhere.
Fab lunch though, Dover sole!

 $dins$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on December 29, 2015, 11:19:07 AM
Once again, the A55 has been closed due to flooding, and this is after £3,000,000 of work was carried out to prevent flooding back in 2013. From what I've seen myself, the work consisted of relaying a French drain along the side of the road - how anyone could think that would be able to cope with the massive volumes of water seen draining off the fields during heavy rain is beyond me? If you study the topography of the land at that point, the answer is straightforward - build large ditches on either side of the road that drain the floodwater straight into the Ogwen river that is only several hundred feet away in the Bangor direction.

Photo courtesy of Gerallt Jones.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 29, 2015, 04:17:58 PM
It does not look like rocket science to sort that problem out! £3,000,000 down the drain, if there is one!  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on December 29, 2015, 04:34:44 PM
Sadly, I think the problems stem from a lack of informed thinking. When the road was constructed, with the associated drainage, it would have been designed to withstand a 1 in 100 year weather event. That's pretty standard, even now. There's a general lack of acceptance that the climate is changing and a complete lack of understanding about the effects of that change, the major one of which is to increase the frequency of severe weather events.

A good example of this is the Marine drive around the Orme. One of the contributory factors behind the flooding in 1993 was that the road has a wall around it which acts - for all intents and purposes - as a gutter.  In Florida, where torrential rain is the norm, the drain cavities are enormous, so they don't have flooding as such. It would have cost relatively little to insert large openings in the wall and the rock face sides, so that were another event such as the 1993 storm to repeat itself, Llandudno would survive the event much better. But no: in their collective wisdom the various councils have decided that such an event won't reoccur for another hundred years.

Guess what...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 21, 2016, 10:21:30 PM
More news about the A55       


http://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/local/157609/conwy-tunnel-lane-closures-planned-for-improvement-works.aspx#.VqFZC_QEICk.email (http://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/local/157609/conwy-tunnel-lane-closures-planned-for-improvement-works.aspx#.VqFZC_QEICk.email)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 25, 2016, 03:44:43 PM
The Welsh Government installed 38 crossing points to ease the mayhem caused by road closures on the expressway


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/5m-a55-traffic-congestion-scheme-10782394 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/5m-a55-traffic-congestion-scheme-10782394)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 25, 2016, 10:37:42 PM


Police car in multi-vehicle A55 crash near Llanfairfechan


1 hour ago

 From the section North West Wales
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35405912 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35405912)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on January 26, 2016, 09:00:36 AM
The A55 seems to end up getting closed due to a car crash at some point almost every day.  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: TheMedz on February 15, 2016, 01:16:08 PM
After returning from a short break away I noticed road closure signs on Ty Gwyn road on the Orme for Friday 19th February. I fully expected to find some details pushed through the door from Welsh Water but there was nothing. I had a web chat with Welsh water who advised that the road will be open up until 6 o'clock after which traffic will be diverted up Tabor Hill and back onto Ty Gwyn at Black Gate while they fix a leak.


Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on February 17, 2016, 09:32:32 AM
We recently went for a walk around Crafnant and travelled the usual way down the B5106 from Conwy to get there. Having travelled on that road for close on 40 years, I was amazed to see the extent of recent flood damage to the road and the area around; by far the worst I've ever seen. It doesn't bode well for the future if climate change continues to get worse.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on February 20, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
Have you made it into the North Wales' worst parking 2016 rogues gallery?


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiR54vikIbLAhWECBoKHXqCCQcQqQIINjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailypost.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fnorth-wales-news%2Fnorth-wales-worst-parking-you-10917360&usg=AFQjCNEF8qi4NldcuPqJFiCoGXtxyLNBUw (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiR54vikIbLAhWECBoKHXqCCQcQqQIINjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailypost.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fnorth-wales-news%2Fnorth-wales-worst-parking-you-10917360&usg=AFQjCNEF8qi4NldcuPqJFiCoGXtxyLNBUw)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 04, 2016, 02:32:42 PM
Dashcam captures A494 driver going WRONG WAY down dual carriageway at night ... with no lights on.    Absolutely crackers and lucky that no one was killed.


https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MjU2ODgxNDAxMTkmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9N20yM2VFVHRvYU9BdzliM1pfSnZqUSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=25688140119&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&ck=69ffb0fadba1eedb2ab5c10f2d1944d8
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area A55 CLOSED COL/BAY
Post by: SteveH on March 22, 2016, 12:20:03 PM
Chemical spillage closes part of A55 near Colwyn Bay

A chemical spillage from a tanker has led to part of the A55 in Conwy county being closed.
The road has been shut in both directions between junction 21 at Colwyn Bay and junction 22 at Llanddulas.
North Wales Fire and Rescue Service said a lorry had "sprung a leak" and it was working with the tanker company to establish what chemicals were involved.
Three fire engines and an incident response vehicle are at the scene.
Environmental control teams are also on their way.
The fire service said the chemicals could be decanted from the leaking vehicle to another and warned the road could be closed "for some time".
REF..BBC
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 22, 2016, 01:27:40 PM
A55 closure has caused major traffic disruption in Colwyn Bay.

Would appear to be an ongoing problem at this time.....

Symbols on the back of the tanker suggest it was carrying the corrosive substance called Ferric Chloride. It is described as toxic, highly corrosive and acidic.

"Please be patient, traffic is being moved off the #A55 through the crash gate by Rainbow Bridge."

MORE and PHOTOS...http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/live-a55-closed-due-chemical-11077781 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/live-a55-closed-due-chemical-11077781)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 22, 2016, 02:53:06 PM
I've just had a phone call from my wife who is on the A55 westbound from Llandudno Junction to Colwyn Bay and it's gridlocked.  No movement whatsoever.
I came from Llandudno and there were serious problems at the West End of Colwyn Bay too
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 22, 2016, 04:17:48 PM
I don,t think this is linked to the chemical spillage but still affects the A55 for the next couple of days......

A55 shut overnight in Conwy and Denbighshire.

Drivers face disruption during overnight roadworks on the A55.
A stretch of the road will be closed in Conwy and Denbighshire.

In Conwy county, both the westbound and eastbound carriageways of the A55 will be closed during the night between Junction 19 at the Black Cat roundabout in Llandudno Junction and Junction 22 at Old Colwyn between 8pm and 6am until the morning of Thursday, March 24.

Diversions will be in place.

In Denbighshire, one lane will also be shut on the A55 in both directions between Junction 27 at St Asaph and Junction 31 at Caerwys between 8pm and 6am until Thursday, March 24.  REF DPost.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on March 22, 2016, 05:04:22 PM
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I've just had a phone call from my wife who is on the A55 westbound from Llandudno Junction to Colwyn Bay and it's gridlocked.  No movement whatsoever.
I came from Llandudno and there were serious problems at the West End of Colwyn Bay too


Nightmare! Just took me two and a half hours to get from Black Cat to Old Colwyn.
In the old days they would have had a copper on point duty at the exit to help relieve the tail back. The only one I saw was parked up in a side street keeping a low profile. Waste of space!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 22, 2016, 05:34:47 PM
Chemical spillage closes part of A55 near Colwyn Bay


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35869450 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35869450)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: ormegolf on March 22, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
   OOhhh Hugo, I've got it in for you. If your wife was driving westward from the junction to colwyn bay, its no wonder it took her a long time. She should have been driving eastward.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 23, 2016, 07:54:15 AM
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   OOhhh Hugo, I've got it in for you. If your wife was driving westward from the junction to colwyn bay, its no wonder it took her a long time. She should have been driving eastward.


It wasn't all bad Mike, at least I wasn't in the car with her.     ;D
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 23, 2016, 11:20:56 AM
One lane of A55 remains closed at Colwyn Bay after chemical spillage

Heavy traffic has been reported today on the westbound carriageway as a result of yesterday's incident.

One lane of the A55 remains closed this morning at Colwyn Bay after a major chemical spill yesterday shut the dual carriageway for at least 10 hours causing traffic chaos.
Heavy traffic has been reported on the westbound carriageway today, with one lane still shut.

The A55 at Colwyn Bay was closed completely at 11am yesterday, between Junction 22 the Promenade at Old Colwyn and Junction 23 at Abergele Road, after a tanker shed its load.
North Wales Fire and Rescue Service chiefs said 27,000 litres of the chemical - believed to be a corrosive substance called Ferric Chloride - was spilled during the incident.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/one-lane-a55-remains-closed-11083023 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/one-lane-a55-remains-closed-11083023)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area UPDATE
Post by: SteveH on March 23, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
UPDATE.......A55 to be closed overnight

Drivers face further disruption during overnight roadworks on the A55 this evening.  23/3/16.
A stretch of the road will be closed in Conwy and Denbighshire .

The works were originally planned for last night, but were cancelled after a tanker spilled a chemical substance at Colywn Bay forcing the carriageway to be closed in both directions for around 10 hours.
Both the westbound and eastbound carriageways of the A55 will be closed overnight tonight for essential maintenance work and new signs and lighting to be installed.

It’s due to work between Junction 19 at the Black Cat roundabout in Llandudno Junction and Junction 22 at Old Colwyn between 8pm tonight and 6am tomorrow, Thursday, March 24.

Diversions will be in place.

In Denbighshire, barrier works mean one lane will be shut on the A55 in both directions between Junction 27 at St Asaph and Junction 31 at Caerwys between 8pm tonight and 6am tomorrow, Thursday, March 24.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/incoming/a55-closed-overnight-conwy-denbighshire-11085015 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/incoming/a55-closed-overnight-conwy-denbighshire-11085015)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area UP/UPDATE!!!!!
Post by: SteveH on March 23, 2016, 05:50:33 PM
A55 roadworks cancelled again due to chemical spillage clean-up        ???     :roll:
Overnight roadworks on the A55 have been postponed again because of disruption caused by yesterday’s chemical spillage.

The works in Conwy and Denbighshire were originally planned for last night, but were cancelled after a tanker spilled a chemical substance at Colywn Bay and were rescheduled for this evening.

But the Welsh Government has now announced the upgrades have been postponed for a second time due to the ongoing clean-up works associated with the tanker incident .

No new date has been given
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-roadworks-cancelled-again-due-11087319 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-roadworks-cancelled-again-due-11087319)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 25, 2016, 01:19:15 PM
Investigation launched into A55 chemical spill which shut dual carriageway

The carriageway was completely shut in both directions on Tuesday after a lorry carrying a tank containing up to 27,000 litres of corrosive liquid came to a standstill, spilling ferric chloride onto the road surface.
Between the spill and the clean-up operation, it was more than 43 hours until all lanes of the A55 were reopened
Aside from questions raised about the potential safety issues around the spill, concerns have been raised about the apparent failure of the authorities to take control of the situation.

The fiasco has prompted calls for better management of emergency situations on the region’s most important road.

The closure effectively brought North Wales to a standstill, and Colwyn Bay was near gridlocked with lorries and cars trying to get from west to east.
The Daily Post has been able to establish that the company transporting the ferric chloride was an Irish haulage firm called Clare County Trucking, from Southern Ireland.
The consignment of chemicals belonged to an Irish firm by the name of Chemifloc.
The Daily Post contacted the firm yesterday, and was told that the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) was investigating the incident.
But, when the Post had contacted that body on Wednesday, it said it had not yet been asked to investigate.

“We know from experience how much local people depend on having this road open in terms of the economy, and it’s vital that emergency services such as ambulances can get across the region without hindrance."

“But we also need to investigate the plans for dealing with a major closure on the A55. We cannot have another repeat of the gridlock that was created on Conwy roads."

Two statements from the same article......Altogether now ?

“However, road safety is a priority for the Welsh Government and there are stringent regulations and controls in place for the transportation of chemicals.
“We work closely with the emergency services and other agencies to ensure these controls are enforced and to respond as quickly and effectively as possible to any incident.”

A Welsh Government spokesperson said it “worked closely with the emergency services”, but was unable to tell the Daily Post what steps are taken in response to an incident of this nature.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/investigation-launched-a55-chemical-spill-11095914 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/investigation-launched-a55-chemical-spill-11095914)



Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on March 25, 2016, 01:36:43 PM
Iron Chloride is a nasty compound which can have devastating effects if accidentally ingested. Frankly, it has no place even being transported on roads during the day and, in fact, railways are far better suited to transporting these sorts of materials.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: mull on March 26, 2016, 09:46:31 AM
If it had happened 4 hours later it could have been on a ferry.
That would make things interesting for the crew and passengers.
Sleep well !
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on March 26, 2016, 10:27:55 AM
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If it had happened 4 hours later it could have been on a ferry.
That would make things interesting for the crew and passengers.
Sleep well !


I think it had just come off the ferry.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 26, 2016, 11:05:14 AM
The Company in the recent A55 chemical spill, responsible for incident that left eight in hospital 4 years ago.

Irish firm Clare County Trucking was transporting the tanker and chemical on behalf of Chemifloc, who were responsible for a spill that left eight people in hospital in 2012.

That incident happened at the company’s Shannon site, and a subsequent Environmental Protection Agency report found materials had been stored incorrectly and the firm wasn’t fully compliant with its licence conditions.

In 2009, Chemifloc was prosecuted over “permitting emissions to the atmosphere at the Smithstown Industrial Estate” in Shannon two years earlier.
Neither of the incidents related to ferric chloride, which is used in waste water treatment.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/company-a55-chemical-spill-responsible-11097566 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/company-a55-chemical-spill-responsible-11097566)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: ormegolf on March 26, 2016, 03:55:46 PM
sSDQ I doubt it seeing it was heading towards Holyhead
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: ormegolf on March 26, 2016, 04:35:51 PM
  And whilst we are on the subject of road conditions may I point out the constant misuse of the word gridlocked. It first came out around 50 or so years ago to describe where very heavy traffic went around. Buildings, took four right hand turns and ended up at the back of his original queue. Blocked solid. Nothing could ever move until someone turned left and "unlocked" it by providing a space to allow the  movement to start. It used to happen a lot. But it should not be used to describe a long straight queue. That is not a gridlock. That is just a plain hold up. The gridlock word was obviously started because of its similarity to a grid in the ground. It cannot be broken until one section is smashed, and then it all collapses.
 Oh, and another way of unlocking it was for a few cars to reverse, thus allowing it all to move.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on March 26, 2016, 06:59:00 PM
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sSDQ I doubt it seeing it was heading towards Holyhead


It was the other carriageway that was closed longest & only opened to one lane the next day so I thought that must have been the direction it was travelling.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area RHOS on Sea
Post by: SteveH on March 29, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
Car overturns near Hickory's Rhos on Sea and shuts road.

An overturned car has forced police to close a road in Rhos on Sea.
Officers were called to reports of a single vehicle collision on Brompton Avenue just after 10.14am.
They found a Fiat on its roof.
The road is currently closed as recovery teams work at the scene.
Eyewitnesses told the Daily Post that the driver and one passenger managed to get out the vehicle by their own accord after the crash.

A Welsh Ambulance Service spokeswoman confirmed that a man and a woman escaped unharmed.
"We sent a crew in an emergency ambulance to the scene, where a male and a female were given a precautionary check-up but did not travel to hospital," she said.

The accident is near the Hickory’s restaurant and is still causing disruption.
A spokeswoman for Hickory’s said the restaurant is not affected and customers are still able to gain access.
REF DP.  http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/car-overturns-near-hickorys-rhos-11107194 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/car-overturns-near-hickorys-rhos-11107194)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 01, 2016, 12:18:17 PM
Rhos on Sea 'hidden' speed camera van blasted by motorists association

A national motoring organisation has blasted road safety bosses after a speed camera van was “hidden” on a Rhos on Sea street.
The Go Safe van, stationed on Llandudno Road, was tracking drivers on Wednesday morning.
A photograph of the offending vehicle was uploaded to the Speed Camera Spotters North Wales Facebook community. It was positioned at the entrance to an electricity sub-station.
Hugh Bladon, a founder member of the Alliance of British Drivers, said: “It’s a ridiculous thing to do and it’s understandable people are annoyed.
“The van is there because the speed limit is inappropriately slow.
“We would not condone people breaking the speed limit but the object of the exercise is to penalise motorists.
“All we do in this country is penalise motorists. It’s ridiculous.”

Comments on the Speed Camera Spotters Facebook site were also critical of the tactic.
“One big money making van,” said one.
“I didn’t notice it for ages before it was that hidden, till I got up close,” said another.

The guidelines for mobile camera enforcement staff is that they should not be “covert”.
Covert traffic enforcement in North Wales is the jurisdiction of North Wales Police .
Mobile enforcement cameras are only permitted on designated routes, unless specific criteria are met.

“Exceptional” sites can be targeted if there have been a number of accidents, fatalities or injuries, if the community has concerns or if there are structural concerns about the route that cannot be immediately rectified.

Llandudno Road is a “core” site, meaning it is designated as a speed check, and there are warning signs about cameras on the approach.

However local motorists have questioned the validity of placing the van in such a position, and certainly question whether it is positioned withing the spirit of the guidelines.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/rhos-sea-hidden-speed-camera-11123205 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/rhos-sea-hidden-speed-camera-11123205)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 01, 2016, 01:13:44 PM
That is the one I saw and reported on here the other day! Glad  the sneaky van has made the newspapers! I notice that a car is parked there now!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 01, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
It's a difficult one Steve and everyone will have an opinion on it.   The guidelines for mobile camera enforcement staff is that they should not be “covert”  but there are unmarked Police cars out there with speed cameras on board so that could be called covert too.
As could the CCTV cameras in shops etc  so I suppose the answer is don't break the law and complain afterwards if you get caught.

Hugh Bladon, a founder member of the Alliance of British Drivers, said: “It’s a ridiculous thing to do and it’s understandable people are annoyed.  “The van is there because the speed limit is inappropriately slow.
With all due respect to the guy who is he to say the speed limit is inappropriately slow.
There is a busy College at one end of the stretch and a dangerous mini roundabout at the other.  In between there are a number of private houses and at one time there was a nursing home there and bus stops too.
A friend of mine was in a car crossing the mini round about from Marine Road when the car she was in was hit by another car coming too fast down Llandudno Road from the Llandrillo College area.
She had to have treatment in the hospital for many months afterwards and I bet she didn't think that the speed limit was inappropriately low.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 01, 2016, 02:03:33 PM
Hugo,   I believe in the deterrent value of a  non covert system,  I think we are more aware of our speed after having seen a camera van in a particular area and remember it well into the future.

Is this van dealing with other issues tax,insurance etc ?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on April 01, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
I suspect that hidden vans have the same effect on motorists as the parent who smacks a child for doing something that annoys them. It might deter that particular motorist from speeding on that stretch of road again, but it does little or nothing to change the behaviour of other motorists.

What I'm curious about is the brace of two cameras above the A470 as you leave Glan Conwy heading towards Black Cat. They resemble 'average speed' cameras, but I don't know where the other cameras are, as you obviously need two sets for the average speed check.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 01, 2016, 03:26:33 PM
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Hugo,   I believe in the deterrent value of a  non covert system,  I think we are more aware of our speed after having seen a camera van in a particular area and remember it well into the future.

Is this van dealing with other issues tax,insurance etc ?

I very much doubt it Steve,  they only seem to be dealing with speeding offences.     When they are using cars or vans with the ANPR cameras there is usually another Police vehicle as back up to catch up with the offender.
Fester mentioned some thing interesting  recently and that was to do with the abolition of Road Tax discs.    It was introduced as a cost saving exercise and would save £10M   but in actual fact the Government has lost a considerable sum of money far in excess of the £10M simply because some motorists are taking advantage of the system and chancing not being caught out.

You can check on line if someone has got valid car tax and MOT by simply putting car tax checker into Google and following the instructions.
However the DVLA  has replaced the previous system with another system ironically called Beta and to be honest it's rubbish.    I've had to check something on it recently and when I put the correct registration and make of the vehicle in it said that they had no record of such a vehicle.
At the time I was booking my car in at Halford's Autocentre for the MOT  and put the other vehicle's reg in and hey presto Halford's had a record of it.    It just proves that getting things on the cheap like the Government does is not always a good thing.
 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 01, 2016, 03:43:04 PM
Hugo, I go to Braid's in Mochdre for my mot, worth a try!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 01, 2016, 03:57:33 PM
Thanks for the tip ME  but I've booked in now and I've been with them for a number of years .  I think that I paid £27.42 for the MOT on line
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 01, 2016, 05:46:16 PM
A Daily Post article from June 2015.

North Wales Police boss's cash cow speed cameras fear
A police boss is seeking assurances that speed cameras will not be used as a money-making cash cow.

Julian Sandham, the Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner, says it should be made clear the purpose of the Go Safe scheme is to reduce casualties and save lives.

Mr Sandham and his boss, Commissioner Winston Roddick, have written expressing their views to the chief lead officer for the Welsh Road Casualty Reduction Partnership, Carl Langley, the Deputy Chief Constable of Dyfed Powys Police.
They fear that Go Safe may be putting too much prominence on “income generation”.
That claim was denied by Go Safe who said there was "no element of income generation" in its strategy.
A study is now being conducted in North Wales to see if the Go Safe scheme could be made more effective.

MORE    http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-police-bosss-cash-9444546 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-police-bosss-cash-9444546)


Link to Go Safe Wales....... Road Casualty Reduction Partnership.
http://www.gosafe.org/about-us/where-fine-revenue-goes.aspx (http://www.gosafe.org/about-us/where-fine-revenue-goes.aspx)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 02, 2016, 11:21:13 AM
'Hidden' Rhos-on-Sea camera van spot won't be used again

A “hidden” speed camera van will no longer be deployed at a controversial location after a flurry of complaints from motorists.
GoSafe partnership manager Chris Hume (see above)made the vow after a driver spotted one of their vans was “hidden” behind a garden wall on Llandudno Road, Rhos-on-Sea.

Facebook group Speed Camera Spotters North Wales raised the issue and a founder member of the Alliance of British Drivers, blasted the positioning of the van as “ridiculous”.
It was parked in the drive of an electricity sub-station, behind a telegraph pole, garden wall and a member of the public’s car

Mr Hume, speaking to the Daily Post, agreed it was “against the spirit of what GoSafe was trying to do”.

MORE    http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/hidden-rhos-sea-camera-van-11126885 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/hidden-rhos-sea-camera-van-11126885)

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 02, 2016, 04:50:54 PM
Lets hope any drivers caught by this underhand speed tax van will not be prosecuted!  I wonder what targets the van operatives have to meet? A pity with all the council cutbacks that they do not scrap the damned things!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 02, 2016, 06:07:21 PM
I remember some time ago when the Police were targeted for convictions of all kinds and when those figures were low, they would have a blitz on the motorist just before the figures had to be reported.
I'm not sure if that thing still happens but there are other areas where the Traffic Police would be better employed.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 03, 2016, 09:23:26 PM
Dashcam video captures car flip through the air in Trefnant crash



http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dashcam-video-captures-car-flip-11130773#rlabs=1%20p (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dashcam-video-captures-car-flip-11130773#rlabs=1%20p)$1
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on April 04, 2016, 12:05:51 PM
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What I'm curious about is the brace of two cameras above the A470 as you leave Glan Conwy heading towards Black Cat. They resemble 'average speed' cameras, but I don't know where the other cameras are, as you obviously need two sets for the average speed check.
Trafficmaster, they are monitoring traffic flows.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 08, 2016, 04:16:28 PM
A55 roundabout removal project given £34m boost
The project to replace the A55 roundabouts at Llanfairfechan and Penmaenmawr has been allocated £34m by the Welsh Government.
Under the major highways scheme, the two roundabouts will be replaced with junctions - with two years of traffic delays for drivers.
The Welsh Government previously said it hoped to start the major construction scheme in 2017, with work lasting until 2019 and causing misery for motorists.

It has now been confirmed that £34m has been allocated to carry out the works to remove the two major issues on the expressway.
Many businesses and commuters have wanted the roundabouts replaced for a number of years.
The Welsh Government is still waiting to appoint an Early Contractor Involvement (ECI) company, which will now not happen until after the Assembly elections.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/a55-roundabout-removal-project-given-11156336 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/a55-roundabout-removal-project-given-11156336)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area [b]Long delays expected in Conwy Valley
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2016, 11:02:10 AM
Long delays expected in Conwy Valley as machinery is moved to water works
Long delays are expected in the Conwy Valley today as a low loader travels through the area.
The large truck will be carrying a pile driving machine, which is to be used during £31m water works at Bryn Cowlyd near Dolgarrog.

Long queues are expected throughout the day as the vehicle travels along the B5106 through Trefriw, Dolgarrog, Tal-Y-Bont and Tyn-Y-Groes. The journey will begin at Tal y Cafn at 12.45pm.

The journey is expected to take several hours, and motorists have been warned to expect severe delays in the area during the evening rush hour.
Due to the size of the machine, it will have to be unloaded and tracked across six bridges along the way, which will see vehicles stopped for a time.

The first bridge it will have to tackle is between Caerhun Hall and Tal-Y-Bont, with the low loader expected to arrive there at 1pm.
MORE  http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/long-delays-expected-conwy-valley-11170124 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/long-delays-expected-conwy-valley-11170124)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2016, 12:39:20 PM
'Show us A55 roadworks are worth the hassle', demands Conwy council of government
The Welsh government is being called on by one of North Wales’ councils to justify whether roadworks on the A55 are really worth the hassle they cause.

Huge tailbacks late last year led hundreds of motorists to veer off through Conwy and Penmaenmawr , clogging roads, endangering pedestrians and sparking an outcry from Mayors and residents.

Conwy Council last month voted to recommend that the Welsh Government be asked “to undertake a cost benefit analysis of proposed future works against the economic impact on the North Wales region”, on the basis that “the A55 is crucial to the local, regional and national economy and it is essential that we work closely with North and Mid Wales Trunk Road Agency (NMWTRA) and Welsh Government to minimise delays and impact on local traffic.”.............

MORE AND POLL    http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/show-a55-roadworks-worth-hassle-11173246 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/show-a55-roadworks-worth-hassle-11173246)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 15, 2016, 06:52:06 AM
Tories plan 80mph limit on M4 and A55
The speed limit on the M4 and A55 could rise from 70mph to 80mph, under plans announced by the Welsh Conservatives.

I bet that this will be another U turn by the Tories, hopefully not on the A55 either.    Some days you are lucky enough to do 8 mph on it let alone 80 mph.
Have they ever been up north and used the A55?




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-wales-36047878 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-wales-36047878)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: snowcap on April 15, 2016, 11:07:44 PM
I think a lot drivers who use the A55 think it is an 80 mile an hour limit the way they pass me when I,m on it
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Fester on April 15, 2016, 11:49:42 PM
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I think a lot drivers who use the A55 think it is an 80 mile an hour limit the way they pass me when I,m on it

That's a good point Bri,  if they make it an 80mph limit, the norm will become 90 mph won't it?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Cambrian on April 16, 2016, 08:17:36 AM
I may be wrong but I thought the national 70 mph limit was introduced to reduce fuel consumption and thus "green house" gases.  I agree with the points made that drivers do exceed the legal limit so an increase will simply mean speeds of up to 90 or even 100 mph.  Surely there are road safety issues to consider. Although a Conservative proposal, I don't recall JFS having mentioned this or any public debate on the matter.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on April 16, 2016, 08:49:36 AM
No - that was in the States. Our 70 limit was introduced in 1966 as a consequence of a four month experiment on the M6 in Cheshire. There were few changes in crash statistics.

It's interesting. Modern cars are inherently safer than those in 1966, but more capable of achieving 80 quickly. The thorny question of whether speed is directly related to the incidence of serious injuries in roads has never been resolved. It's not simply 'common sense' as some would contend, and poor or inadequate driving would almost certainly remain the main cause of road deaths. Most serious road injuries are sustained in 30-40mph areas, too, so I doubt there's any real answer. But the bottom line is that the A55 is an inherently dangerous road for many reasons, not least being the lack of a third lane and hard shoulder, and the frequency of lane closures, which seem to defy logic.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on April 16, 2016, 08:56:19 AM
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No - that was in the States. Our 70 limit was introduced in 1966 as a consequence of a four month experiment on the M6 in Cheshire. There were few changes in crash statistics.

It's interesting. Modern cars are inherently safer than those in 1966, but more capable of achieving 80 quickly. The thorny question of whether speed is directly related to the incidence of serious injuries in roads has never been resolved. It's not simply 'common sense' as some would contend, and poor or inadequate driving would almost certainly remain the main cause of road deaths. Most serious road injuries are sustained in 30-40mph areas, too, so I doubt there's any real answer. But the bottom line is that the A55 is an inherently dangerous road for many reasons, not least being the lack of a third lane and hard shoulder, and the frequency of lane closures, which seem to defy logic.


I thought it had something to do with AC Cars being caught by a national newspaper testing their Cobras on the M1 at 180mph+ in 1964, plus a spate of bad smashes in the fog on a number of motorways at the time.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Cambrian on April 16, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
Thanks for the replies.  There's some interesting info under "Road speed limits in the United Kingdom" in Wikpiedia.
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Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on April 16, 2016, 10:45:18 AM
Oh, yes;  I"d forgotten about the fog crashes. I seem to remember that led to the introduction of mandatory limits and separate tests for HGVs.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: snowcap on April 17, 2016, 10:47:42 PM
Your spot on as usual fester, 80,90, 100, it would,nt mean a thing to those who break the speed limit, as it,s been said the cars of today are a lot safer than in days of old, but the mentality of the drivers leave a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on April 18, 2016, 09:20:13 AM
Returning from a lovely day out yesterday, upon leaving Beddgelert we were hassled constantly by drivers trying to pass on the narrow parts of the road and my OH certainly isn't a slow driver. Thus when we reached the T road to join the A5 it was no surprise to be turned back by the police who were closing the road between Capel Curig and Betwys due to a serious accident. Things were made worse by people who had no clue how to divert away from the area, as the police hadn't had time to sort out diversion signs. We set off along the A 5 towards Bangor and joined the A55 and thus home. The A55 was busy, but not massively so, but I imagine it would have got worse as time went on, because short of turning back and either going back down the Aberglaslyn Pass, or diverting onto the coast via Llanberis there is no other option.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a5-conwy-reopens-16-hours-11200447 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a5-conwy-reopens-16-hours-11200447)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on April 19, 2016, 11:01:30 AM
Anyone heading round the Marine Drive.......extra care is needed as there seems to be an awful lot of cyclists round there.........some of them riding against the one-way traffic. :o
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: mull on April 19, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
It does not matter they are only idiots on bikes.
Traffic laws do not apply to them.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on April 19, 2016, 06:17:01 PM
Glad that you said that Mull. It's what I thought, but I would only have been shot down in flames if I had said it ! Well said ! ;D
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 19, 2016, 08:27:10 PM
Muppets, I ride a bike for fun sometimes, very easy to follow the roadsigns!  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 20, 2016, 12:13:28 PM
First Minister Carwyn Jones wants to let the people of North Wales rename the A55

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/first-minister-wants-a55-renamed-11211019 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/first-minister-wants-a55-renamed-11211019)

And the replies......................

Here's what you think the A55 should be called

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/heres-what-you-think-a55-11212698 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/heres-what-you-think-a55-11212698)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Blongb on April 20, 2016, 01:01:10 PM
Just goes to show how far out ot touch Carwyn Jones is with North Wales.  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on April 20, 2016, 01:34:20 PM
Roady McRoadface?

The NW car park?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on May 13, 2016, 09:14:17 AM
A55 'performing efficiently' says special transport report.

The A55 is performing efficiently most of the time according to a specially commissioned report on transport in Wales.
The new Welsh Government needs to overhaul the way Wales decides on major transport investments, according to the report by a leading expert.
In the report Moving Wales Forward commissioned by the Federation of Small Businesses in Wales, Professor Stuart Cole concludes that Wales needs a new methodology for making decisions when it comes to transport schemes.

He found that whilst many of the businesses questioned cited issues of road congestion, official journey speed maps for Wales showed that the average speed along major routes such as the A55 were 60-70mph.

He said this suggested that the road network is performing efficiently on major routes outside of peak-time pinch points like the Britannia bridge over the Menai Strait, at Llanfairfechan and at the Ewloe (A494) and Post House/ Wrexham bypass junction (A483).

MORE   http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-performing-efficiently-says-special-11325564 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-performing-efficiently-says-special-11325564)

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 28, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
This time you can't put the blame on the A55


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/can-you-believe-what-driver-11374004 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/can-you-believe-what-driver-11374004)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 31, 2016, 07:21:50 PM
Another nutter on the A55 in Colwyn Bay but will the Police follow up the bad driving and no tax or MOT on the car and therefore no valid insurance either?           &shake&



http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/watch-shocking-moment-a55-driver-11408302 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/watch-shocking-moment-a55-driver-11408302)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on June 01, 2016, 07:37:12 AM
I was just wondering if they'd also do the person filming it for crimes against music...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 01, 2016, 08:16:40 AM
It's a generally held misconception that not having an MOT or Road Fund Licence, or even having a defective tyre, invalidates car insurance. It does not, however, the insurance company might in some cases, only on pay out third party claims in the event of an accident.

With nearly 200,000 people injured on UK roads every year, with 1,750 deaths, I just don't believe that safety on UK roads is taken seriously. Would society accept four jumbo jets crashing in the UK every year?

Also, have you noticed the 'cash-back' schemes on small inexpensive cars like Saxo's etc? The 'cash-back' is in effect, for teenage drivers to pay for their insurance. Who are the most dangerous drivers? Plus, the lack of dedicated Road Policing Officers makes a substantial difference.

Please don't whinge to me about 'Draconian' speeding fines and penalties for poor driving, I personally would double the sentences and make them mandatory. Locally, someone with a diabolical driving record killed three people driving at 90mph in a 30 mph area well over the limit having taken drink and drugs. He was out of prison in 5 years. For killing three young people.   
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 01, 2016, 11:01:57 PM
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It's a generally held misconception that not having an MOT or Road Fund Licence, or even having a defective tyre, invalidates car insurance. It does not, however, the insurance company might in some cases, only on pay out third party claims in the event of an accident.
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Bosun, you are quite correct on that point but I wouldn't advise anyone to put it to the test because the Insurance companies are notorious for not paying out whenever they can avoid it.
In this instance they would have had a valid reason not to.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 02, 2016, 08:20:37 AM
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It's a generally held misconception that not having an MOT or Road Fund Licence, or even having a defective tyre, invalidates car insurance. It does not, however, the insurance company might in some cases, only on pay out third party claims in the event of an accident.
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Bosun, you are quite correct on that point but I wouldn't advise anyone to put it to the test because the Insurance companies are notorious for not paying out whenever they can avoid it.
In this instance they would have had a valid reason not to.

As I said, the absence of an MOT, Road Fund Licence or a minor vehicle defect does not invalidate legitimately held insurance. It would take a major issue, of which the owner of the vehicle must have been aware, for the insurance company to invalidate a claim.

The only case that I know of personally was where a Rover steering column was repaired by the owner of the vehicle who lost the nut holding the steering wheel on. To hold the steering wheel on, he panned over the end of the steering column with a hammer. Pulling out onto a dual carriageway, (unsurprisingly) the steering wheel came off and the car veered across the carriageway and was struck by a lorry killing the female passenger. The driver was detained in hospital with a Police guard because of (understandable) threats from the passenger's family to his life. In that case, unsurprisingly, the insurance company denied the drivers claim, but paid out for third party liability.   
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on June 27, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
I was gobsmacked reading this, so I thought I would share my gobsmackiness with you all.     &shake&

Trailer bristling with blades that could have cut someone's legs off stopped on A55
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/trailer-blades-a55-police-llandegai-11532798 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/trailer-blades-a55-police-llandegai-11532798)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 27, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
Unbelievable! How stupid can you be to do that?  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on June 29, 2016, 11:18:13 AM
Another 'hidden' speed camera van spotted near Glan Conwy.

The GoSafe van was spotted by a driver from Ty’n-y-Groes in the Conwy valley just after 10pm on a stretch of the A470.

It was parked at the changeover from a 60mph to 30mph zone and a spokesman for Go Safe said the vehicle was operating “within guidelines for the positioning of speed detection vans”.

“The van was parked well outside the centre of Glan Conwy at a quiet spot where there were no pedestrians and I can never remember this being a place where there have been accidents in the past.

“When they use a speed van at dusk at a point where the speed limit goes from 60mph to 30mph and there are no real safety issues you get the feeling it is more about catching out drivers than improving road safety.”

MORE and 11 comments .......  http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/another-hidden-speed-camera-van-11539332 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/another-hidden-speed-camera-van-11539332)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 29, 2016, 12:18:07 PM
The horrible speed tax cameras are just out to get cash. Time to get rid of them!  $angry$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 29, 2016, 12:48:09 PM
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The horrible speed tax cameras are just out to get cash. Time to get rid of them!  $angry$

Being sick and tired of lunatic drivers and the deaths and tragedy of loss of life in road accidents, I want to see more traffic law enforcement, not less. With nearly 1,713 people killed on British roads in 2013, and many more seriously injured, it time the general public realised the dangers of hurtling about in a tonne box. It's speed that kills.

Speak to a grieving mother when her child has been killed in a recklessly driven car. There are enough of those mothers locally, and you'll change your mind. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 29, 2016, 02:18:54 PM
Sorry, I will not change my mind, most collisions are not related to speed, but drivers not paying attention. Speed can be measured and taxed!

"Driver error and inattention is the most common contributory factor in UK road accidents, according to new statistics from the Department for Transport, while speed-related causes contribute to just 14 per cent of all prangs.

The DfT stats attribute 68 per cent of all road accidents to a failure to look, while in the majority (32 per cent) of fatal accidents loss of control is reported as the contributory factor.

Exceeding the speed limit is a contributory factor in five per cent of all accidents; driving too fast for conditions accounts for nine per cent. This makes exceeding the speed limit the sixth most common contributory factor.

Overall, the number of accidents in 2008 fell seven per cent from 2007, to 230,905. The number of people killed in accidents fell by 14 per cent, to 2538.

When asked if it was time to reduce the emphasis on speeding and concentrate on improving driver awareness, a DfT spokesperson said, “To help the police tackle bad driving we have proposed making careless driving a fixed-penalty offence and have also recently announced wide-ranging changes to driver testing and training, to better prepare learner drivers for the road.”

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/errors-cause-most-uk-accidents (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/errors-cause-most-uk-accidents)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on June 29, 2016, 03:25:29 PM
We apparently have the second lowest road-death rates in the world...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 29, 2016, 03:41:21 PM
And of course, drivers 'not paying attention' have just as much time to react travelling at 88ft per second as they do travelling at 29ft per second...... which has to do with - wait for it - speed.

And 'loss of control' was caused by what.....? The car being stationary? We all know people who have been involved in road collisions where they have been hit by a stationary car. Loss of control of a vehicle occurs when a vehicle is driven at an unsuitable speed for the conditions. Note the word 'speed'.

That S3 RTA 88 is to be made an FP offence will no doubt assist, but we need dedicated Road Traffic Policing to issue the FP's and enforce all traffic law. If 4 or 5 jumbo jets crashed each year in the UK with that loss of life, I doubt if it would be accepted and just put down to 'accidents'. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 29, 2016, 03:58:02 PM
We will obviously never agree on this, although I do not know anyone who has been hit by a stationary car...

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 29, 2016, 04:16:20 PM
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although I do not know anyone who has been hit by a stationary car...

Sorry, my irony was wasted....

If a car is stationary and properly parked, it won't kill anyone. When it moves it travels at a certain speed and the higher that speed, the greater chance of physical injury in the event of a collision. That's why there are now many 20mph zones outside schools, as the chances of a child surviving being hit by a vehicle at 20mph is much greater than at 30mph. Therefore, it's the speed that kills. And, as I said in my previous post, a vehicle only looses control when being driven at a speed unsuitable for the conditions, regardless of the conditions. Therefore because of - speed.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 29, 2016, 04:20:39 PM
Oh I got it OK,  loss of control can be due to many things other than speed, constantly looking at a speedo is one distraction.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 29, 2016, 06:20:40 PM
Actually you are both correct, bad driving and speeding are the cause of road accidents but get a combination of bad driving and speeding and you have an accident waiting to happen.
As much as I detest them, I'm with Bosun on the speed cameras and just wish that they would use them for capturing other driving offences in addition to speeding.
Having said all that the speed cameras should be deployed sensibly and fairly.     I used to drive down the A51 in Staffordshire  and you could easily lose your licence in one day there as the speed cameras are located immediately after the speed limit has changed.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on June 29, 2016, 08:54:25 PM
Whilst I agree that driving needs to be policed it should also be policed sensibly.   The problem is not the speed, but the attention of the driver - you should be able to judge by what you see all around you - not be watching your dashboard.  However, you cannot measure driver's attention levels.

Speed does not kill by itself, there are many other factors which, when put together, are inappropriate - exceed 60mph on the A470 down the Conwy Valley on a clear, dry day and you're labelled a killer, but try driving at 29mph down Mostyn Street on a Saturday afternoon you're perfectly legal.  I know which I consider to be safer.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 29, 2016, 09:58:20 PM
To suggest that driving down Mostyn Street on a Saturday afternoon at 29mph is perfectly legal shows a complete lack of knowledge of road traffic law and the Road Traffic Act 1988 (As amended.) If, as implied, Mostyn Street was chaotically busy, there could well be an offence of S2 (Dangerous Driving) or S3 (Careless or Inconsiderate Driving.)

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: snowcap on June 29, 2016, 10:52:19 PM
I have  been caught by the speed camera and still think that it is the right thing to use to stop the clownes like me that were breaking the law by speeding, they are put there for a reason and anyone who thinks it is just for the revenue should spend some time in accident and emergancy and see the faces of people involved in speeding accidents. It,s only people who break the speed limit who need be afraid of being caught . Stay within the law and have nothing to fear, break it and take whats comming without moaning about it
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 30, 2016, 08:02:11 AM
It seems we will never agree on this, I still see them as speed tax cameras!  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 30, 2016, 09:31:58 AM
Taxes are in the main, unavoidable. If you decide to exceed the speed limit and put lives at risk and recieve a fine, that's your choice, your decision, therefore you voluntarily contribute. It's not a tax.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 30, 2016, 10:44:47 AM
Touch wood, I have not been caught with one, but I know many who have, none of them are mad drivers, just lost on the speed tax camera lottery!  Not one of them thought it was a good thing. Meanwhile the really mad dangerous drivers seem to get away with it...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: born2run on June 30, 2016, 02:33:09 PM
I don't understand speeding, everyone speeds around to get to places quicker then someone has an accident because they are speeding then that accident closes the road and causes everyone to be caught in tailbacks for hours so people then speed to rectify the time they've just wasted sitting in a traffic jam because someone was speeding. Vicious circle if you ask me _))*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 30, 2016, 05:23:43 PM
As I said earlier, most collisions are not caused by speeding.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 30, 2016, 08:14:15 PM


...............who was it who said 'Don't argue with idiots, they beat you with experience'?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 30, 2016, 08:17:11 PM
I knew it wold come to a comment like that! Does not bother me, I know I am right lol!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on June 30, 2016, 09:34:26 PM
I rest my case.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 30, 2016, 10:07:45 PM
Good!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on July 01, 2016, 07:54:47 AM
Are you a follower of Safespeed.org, ME?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 01, 2016, 09:04:11 AM
Was not before Ian, not seen it, looks interesting, I will have a proper look later!  $good$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on July 01, 2016, 11:27:45 AM
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Good!

And yet once again, the irony was lost.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 01, 2016, 12:24:48 PM
I never do any ironing Bosun!  ;D
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on July 01, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/speed-camera-set-fire-close-11551464 (http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/speed-camera-set-fire-close-11551464)
Have you been here ME?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 01, 2016, 02:07:47 PM
 L0L
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on July 01, 2016, 08:50:25 PM
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I never do any ironing Bosun!  ;D

That's a good thing, because if the telephone rang whilst you were ironing, you'd probably burn your ear............
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 01, 2016, 09:00:40 PM
My secretary answers the phone, no worries there!  D)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on July 01, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
There is if she is sitting on your lap......

.....or, as I suspect,  is she more like Geoff Maltby's P.A. in 'Benidorm'...........?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 01, 2016, 09:38:52 PM
Don'twatch Benidorm!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on July 03, 2016, 09:59:12 PM
Sorry ME, but on consideration, I don't think that irony is the only thing that wasted on you.  ;D
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 03, 2016, 11:08:47 PM
Not bothered what you think, so b****r off!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Fester on July 04, 2016, 12:39:19 AM
Ian,  I reiterate my request for a filter facility.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on July 04, 2016, 03:42:13 PM
Drivers on the Black Cat roundabout did a double take this morning after spotting a boat blocking one of the lanes.

The motor cruiser had fallen off a trailer as it was being towed across the roundabout at Llandudno Junction.

No-one was hurt in the incident which caused minimal traffic disruption for around half an hour.

“Everybody was driving a little slower as I don’t think they could believe what they were seeing.”

North Wales Police did not attend the incident and the boat was placed back on the trailer at 10.43am
refDP
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on July 04, 2016, 06:41:45 PM
Police did not attend to an unsafe load? That should give hope to all, doing 55mph on the A55 through Colwyn Bay!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on July 04, 2016, 11:56:58 PM
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Are you a follower of Safespeed.org, ME?

I've had a chance to look at Safespeed.org and there are similar websites giving rational explanations for advocating that Elvis is alive and well and that a higher percentage of people from Alabama than Georgia have been abducted by aliens.

Wikipedia sums up safespeed.org.uk thus:

There have been few formal studies evaluating the claims made by Safe Speed:
George Monbiot has argued that Safe Speed is much more about speed than safety,[3] and is part of a "culture of speed".[4]
The claim that "one third of road deaths are due to speed cameras" was disputed by the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety (PACTS) and by the National Safety Camera Scheme which cite seatbelt and alcohol laws introduced prior to the 1990s, and recent increased road use and mobile phone use as better explanations for the perceived increase in casualties. Safe Speed's method of extrapolating from two years' data is also disputed.[5]
Which? magazine reported that the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety (PACTS) and the National Safety Camera Liaison (NSCL) cite three studies which do allow for long-term trends, and which confirm the correlation between speed cameras and accident reduction. The magazine also reported that the Transport Research Laboratory (TRL) disputes Safe Speed’s interpretation of TRL 323.[5] In particular they state that the study was dependent on subjective judgements of primary cause, and that many of the other primary causes listed also implied excessive speed.[5] Other TRL studies (e.g. 421 and 511) have examined the relationship between speed and accidents and suggest a strong association. A study of over 300 roads, encompassing several hundred thousand observations, demonstrated that the higher the average speed of traffic on a given type of road, the more accidents there are. The study also demonstrated that injury accidents rise as average speed increases (if all else remains constant). (My emphasis.)

These are not opinions, they are scientific studies, the conclusion's of which are the obvious correlation between speed and accidents.

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Blongb on July 05, 2016, 08:53:24 PM
Back along I traveled up to Cairo with a Police Inspector from Ras Gharib on the Gulf of Suez. During the journey I ask him what he thought of the new high speed road that had just been completed between Suez and Hurghada. I'm delighted he said because it will make my life so much easier. From now on I shall just have to dispose of the dead bodies, instead of having to look after lots of people with minor injuries.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on July 06, 2016, 07:51:53 AM
The chap who now looks after Safespeed.org is the same chap who programmed the titles and game graphics in the TV show, Catchphrase. I've known him for years and he's a bright bloke, but debating with him is pointless on this subject since he's convinced speed cameras cause more deaths than they prevent. When you point out to him that the stats don't support that he then argues that some abstruse mathematical method was contrived to suggest that by the Government.   
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on July 06, 2016, 08:59:22 AM
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The chap who now looks after Safespeed.org is the same chap who programmed the titles and game graphics in the TV show, Catchphrase.
I hope he's better at that than at website design. It was like going back in time to 1996.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on July 06, 2016, 09:05:18 AM
I think it was even earlier when he did it. Wasn't it early-'90s?  Mind you, it was Paul Smith who started it, but he died.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on July 06, 2016, 09:35:54 AM
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I think it was even earlier when he did it. Wasn't it early-'90s?  Mind you, it was Paul Smith who started it, but he died.
The first website I designed was back in 1994, I used Netscape Composer.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on July 06, 2016, 10:51:46 AM
Can't remember what I first used. But you do have the advantage of a creative and artistic mind. The Safespeed site was designed by a mathematician. But I agree it's rather tired.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on July 23, 2016, 08:46:39 AM
Well, on the busiest Saturday in the year for arrivals, here's a good site to watch the A55 at various points:

http://www.tindish.com/cams/a55/ (http://www.tindish.com/cams/a55/)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on July 23, 2016, 10:41:53 AM
A very helpful link, for those busy weekends, and checking road conditions especially in the winter.    $good$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: hollins on July 23, 2016, 10:45:38 AM
That's really useful, thanks.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: hollins on July 24, 2016, 04:46:27 PM
Two speed camera vans within a few miles of each other on the A5 this afternoon.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on July 24, 2016, 07:46:25 PM
And one tonight at the Llanrwst end of the Maenan straight on the A470.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on August 03, 2016, 07:23:42 PM
This is what happened when a car got in the way of some double yellow lines being painted.

A driver was left scratching his head after finding out his car got in the way of some double yellow lines being painted.

The motorist was staying the night at Llandudno ’s Mostyn House Guest House and decided to park his Ford Focus on Church Walks.

But when the driver went back to his car this morning, he was gobsmacked to find double yellow lines painted right up to the front and rear tyres - with a gap where his car stood.

Bill Johnson, proprietor of Mostyn House Guest House was alerted to the bizarre scene by the guest.
More     http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/what-happened-car-way-double-11701213 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/what-happened-car-way-double-11701213)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Blongb on August 05, 2016, 08:13:10 PM
Check out the thread in What's Llandudno Like Right Now? Steve as we've got this one well covered.  $good$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on August 09, 2016, 11:48:19 AM
Looks like the car above got off lightly..........
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 09, 2016, 04:30:40 PM
If we think that CCBC is bad when it comes to painting lines on the road, spare a thought for the residents of this street in Plymouth.      ???
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on August 09, 2016, 10:12:18 PM
I blame the second driver to park who has not used due care and attention.......there are plenty of roads were you cannot park opposite another car. Hope an emergency vehicle is not required. Would you park in a sink hole just because it has a hatched parking area painted around it?

Still blame the council for a bit of a error!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 09, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
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Still blame the council for a bit of a error!

That's a bit of an understatement!       The only one at fault is the Council as both cars are parked legally so the drivers have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.
Stupid they may be for parking like that but the law allows them to do it.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: OrmeMac on August 10, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
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The only one at fault is the Council as both cars are parked legally so the drivers have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.

But how do you know which car parked first and which was the second? Maybe we should go back to the old Mostyn Street parking system of parking on one side on odd dates and the other side on even dates...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 10, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
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The only one at fault is the Council as both cars are parked legally so the drivers have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.

But how do you know which car parked first and which was the second? Maybe we should go back to the old Mostyn Street parking system of parking on one side on odd dates and the other side on even dates...

It's irrelevant as to who parked there first, if the street is unsuitable for parking to be on both sides then only one side should be a designated parking area.
 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on August 10, 2016, 07:37:34 PM
I enclose part of the Highway Code for the purposes of those who want to park somewhere second and have highlighted the relevant items!!  (I know I passed my test first time 36 years ago, but the the rules are still the same)


242
You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.
Laws RTA 1988, sect 22 & CUR reg 103

243
DO NOT stop or park

    near a school entrance
    anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
    at or near a bus or tram stop or taxi rank
    on the approach to a level crossing/tramway crossing
    opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
    near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
    opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
    where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
    where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users and powered mobility vehicles
    in front of an entrance to a property
    on a bend
    where you would obstruct cyclists’ use of cycle facilities except when forced to do so by stationary traffic.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 11, 2016, 09:07:56 AM
I passed my test first time over 52 years ago and in my humble opinion good drivers and good good car parkers should not only be aware of the rules and regulations of the Highway code, they should also use common sense and show due consideration to other road users.

From the second photo there were enough clues to make it immediately obvious to me and it should also have been obvious to others that the photo had been staged.

In other words the camera man had the second car and the cyclist positioned for a more dramatic effect to highlight the stupidity of Plymouth Council.     Common sense and consideration for others should ensure that such a thing wouldn't happen in practice and hopefully Plymouth Council will rectify asap  the problem they have created
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on August 11, 2016, 10:13:50 AM
The problem with common sense is that it is not always very common!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on August 11, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
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The problem with common sense is that it is not always very common!

How true...

If only drivers had a little more common sense, courtesy and manners the world would be a much nicer place for us all.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on August 11, 2016, 03:11:56 PM
Went to Aldi early yesterday and decided to park slightly away from the store having just got a new car ( for obvious reasons given the damage that a trolley can do !) Came out to an empty car park apart from myself and a silly old duffer trying to park about 2" away from me. Could you move away a little I asked, I need to open my door to get in." No why should I"he replied." Cos I'm asking you politely to let me get into my car "I said. He just sat and grinned at me, so I just said............SHIFT............ so he did.  >?>??
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 11, 2016, 04:17:48 PM
It's amazing how odd some people are. We always seek out the most deserted corner of any car park, preferring to walk a distance rather than risk the car being clobbered and its a fair bet that when we return although the car park might be close to empty some individual will be parked right next to us. Why they do it I have no idea.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on August 11, 2016, 06:05:08 PM
Quote
Ian....."It's amazing how odd some people are."  and Nems .....( for obvious reasons given the damage that a trolley can do !)"

I have just returned from Asda, while waiting under the canopy, I noticed a woman with a trolley with one very small carrier bag, I thought lazy person! however as she passed me, she lifted the bag out, but continued to the side pedestrian entrance pushing the empty trolley through the car park, a few feet from leaving, she heaved the trolley to the side and just let it run without a backward glance.  $angry$  not a car owner?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 11, 2016, 06:49:25 PM
Now here's a little test of our knowledge of the Highway Code and adopting common sense at the same time and is purely hypothetical and just for fun.   The scenario is the street in the smaller photo)

It's a small village where everyone knows each other and they all know and get on with the local bobby  PC Plod.

The first man arrives home from work at 7.00pm  and parks his car (that's the one on the right)  outside his house  and settles in for the evening.

At 8.00pm the second man arrives home from work ( that's the car on the left) and parks his car outside his house and opposite the other car and he also settles in for the evening

At 9.00pm   PC Plod is doing his night shift and comes across the two cars parked opposite each other  and realises that a traffic offence has been committed.   (the situation is still as shown in the smaller photo)

PC Plod has to observe the law and speak to one of the car owners but also wants to show some common sense too as he also lives in the village.

Which driver would PC Plod speak to and why and what would PC Plod do?   
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 11, 2016, 07:06:38 PM
One car is facing the 'wrong' way, so he makes the easier target :-) But if our PC is a Holmesian chap he'd check the temperature of both vehicles by touching the bonnet, then do the one that's warmest.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 11, 2016, 07:37:08 PM
That's interesting Ian, but too complicated for PC Plod
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on August 11, 2016, 07:54:51 PM
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Ian....."It's amazing how odd some people are."  and Nems .....( for obvious reasons given the damage that a trolley can do !)"

I have just returned from Asda, while waiting under the canopy, I noticed a woman with a trolley with one very small carrier bag, I thought lazy person! however as she passed me, she lifted the bag out, but continued to the side pedestrian entrance pushing the empty trolley through the car park, a few feet from leaving, she heaved the trolley to the side and just let it run without a backward glance.  $angry$  not a car owner?

Typical of some !
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on August 11, 2016, 08:54:24 PM
Hugo, the left hand car is parked partially over a dropped kerb.....?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on August 11, 2016, 09:22:38 PM
Car park spaces need to be widened as cars are getting wider, but that would reduce revenue if pay and display so won't happen.

I always try and avoid parking next to a Chelsea Tractor as they take a full space with no allowance for opening doors, if I have to park next to a car I try and choose a new top of the range model as they would/should be careful with their doors!

My daughter was sitting in her car in a car park last week when another drove in and parked alongside.  Woman passenger got out and hit my daughter's car with their car door (a bit of a shed of a car).  Daughter got out to complain to woman, there was quite a scratch on daughter's car, only for the woman to tell her to "F off" and walk away.  Daughter was very tempted to key their car - took registration number but not sure of make of car and cannot trace it via DVLA website to see if was taxed/insured.  No doubt the police would not be interested so didn't take it any further - daughter's car already had a few scratches but it was the woman's attitude that caused most of the upset.  It was in Liverpool where daughter lives.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 11, 2016, 09:49:02 PM
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Hugo, the left hand car is parked partially over a dropped kerb.....?

No that's not the answer Steve as a dropped kerb is not visible in the picture.   The answer is obvious when you think of it.
PC Plod must speak to the person who committed the offence but who is the offender and what is the offence and how would he deal with the matter?

Think Highway Code and common sense!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 11, 2016, 10:04:01 PM
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- took registration number but not sure of make of car and cannot trace it via DVLA website to see if was taxed/insured. 

DVT,   The DVLA   has a new system for checking if the car tax has been paid.   The new system is called BETA  but in my opinion it should be called WORSA because it's rubbish in fact.
I've tried to trace cars and they are not on the BETA data base although I have photographic evidence of the cars being on the road.
I found by accident another way of checking if the car is registered and also insured so if you want to pass on any details by a PM I can have a look for you.     It will however be difficult for your daughter to claim anything from the other party without evidence  or witnesses not connected  to her.
I suppose that your daughter has a camera so that should have been used to take the relevant photos
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 12, 2016, 01:38:59 AM
Hugo, how does someone manage to send you a PM?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: spotty dog on August 12, 2016, 08:27:49 AM
Hugo it would appear the red car's wheel is on white line thus committing traffic offence .
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 12, 2016, 09:18:21 AM
Good try Spotty Dog but it's not correct,  the answer is more obvious than that.

Cygnusx-1  will probably know the Highway Code bit, but just think what you would do if you were PC Plod.

Make it as easy as possible and cut out the paperwork that goes with the job

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 12, 2016, 10:36:48 AM
Are you thinking the RH car is too close to a driveway?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 12, 2016, 10:57:35 AM
No Ian.       PC Plod can be certain that one driver is committing an offence when he has started his night shift and must approach him to uphold the law.  This would solve the problem of double parking and avoid wasting his time on paperwork etc.

Which driver does he approach and what Traffic law has been broken and how would he resolve it without issuing a ticket?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on August 12, 2016, 11:17:26 AM
The clue 'night shift' suggests that it is the car facing the wrong way that might be done, although he'd have to be within a certain distance of a junction.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 12, 2016, 11:48:02 AM
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The clue 'night shift' suggests that it is the car facing the wrong way that might be done, although he'd have to be within a certain distance of a junction.

I'm going to give you this one Ian as you spotted it straight away with your first guess.

PC Plod comes along in the evening spots the double parking obstruction but also sees that the driver on the right is illegally parked

  RULE  248
You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.      (That's why your car's reflectors are at the rear of the vehicle)


He knows where the driver lives and calls at his house.    He explains why the car is illegally parked and politely asks him to remove it immediately and to park it so that it is not facing the flow of oncoming traffic and
also not double parked.   He also intends to speak to the other driver when he next sees him

Knowing the Highway Code but applying common sense is a win win situation for PC Plod who has no paperwork etc to waste his valuable time and the drivers have also been educated for the future.
That's how I know the small photo has been staged and also because it happened to my Father (not the double parking bit)  over 30 years ago.

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 12, 2016, 11:11:55 PM
Now that work on the Colwyn Bay promenade has started it was good to learn that cars will not be able to park under the bridges on the short section of Marine Road.
A number of cones have been placed under the bridge so this will help do reduce bottle necks of traffic on this narrow stretch of road
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 15, 2016, 03:27:34 PM
I wonder why CCBC  chose last week to start work on the short section of Promenade in Colwyn Bay.   Perhaps the time was dictated to them by the conditions stipulated in the funding for the project or maybe it's nothing other than stupidity on the part of CCBC.
Colwyn Bay was becoming a bottleneck for traffic around midday today, Mrs H was waiting to come out of the Vet's in Abergele Road and the traffic was nose to tail and it was ages before one considerate driver let her on to the road.
By Stermats traffic can be a problem anyway, but it wasn't helped by the woman driver in front of Mrs H.   The woman was passing a parked van and hit it taking the wing mirror ofF the van and in the process damaging her car badly.
The woman then reversed and tried to overtake the parked vehicle again and hit the van harder than before and making her car look like a half opened Sardine can.  In the meantime the traffic was piling up even more!
Anyway the busier Bank Holiday isn't far away so that's something to look forward to, I don't think.
What possessed CCBC to pick the busiest time of the year to start the work, surely they could have waited 3 more weeks?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on August 24, 2016, 02:58:09 PM
Conwy tunnel closure chaos caused by 'major failure' and safety fears over ventilation shutdown.
The Conwy Tunnel was shut last night for over two hours following a “major failure” in the safety control systems.

The safety critical control systems at the A55 Conwy tunnel affects the tunnel’s ventilation system, lane signals, STOP gantry signage, and several monitoring and alarm systems inside the tunnel.

The Welsh Government are now investigating the incident which caused chaos on the A55 following the sudden closure of the tunnel in both directions just after 6pm.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-tunnel-closure-chaos-caused-11793225 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-tunnel-closure-chaos-caused-11793225)


'Unexplained' A55 delays are not acceptable
Traffic queues are an inevitable hassle on the A55 during the hectic summer season as the sheer volume of traffic combined with bumps and crashes brings the road to a halt.

It is never much fun being stuck in jams but there are a few factors that can make it even more frustrating.

Roadworks - especially when there doesn’t appear to be much happening behind the traffic cones - is one of those factors and the fact the A55 was built “on the cheap” means that it feels likes a continuous patching up job along the expressway.
One of those major projects has been on the Conwy Tunnels with millions of pounds invested in improving lighting and safety - causing delays to motorists on a regular basis earlier this year and back in 2013.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/unexplained-a55-delays-not-acceptable-11792068 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/unexplained-a55-delays-not-acceptable-11792068)

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Fester on August 27, 2016, 09:57:03 PM
One of those delightful gentlemen from the Charedi community took the opportunity to crash into the back of my car on my way to work today.
A lovely start to the day, which went steadily downhill from then on.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on August 28, 2016, 08:58:04 AM
Sorry to hear that Fester, too many cars around this weekend and not enough space to park them .
Nasty smash at the top of Clement Ave yesterday afternoon. People driving too fast, a woman panicked and piled into a parked car. No one has yet returned to the parked car and found the damage which is quite extensive, but her Ford Ka looked to be a write off, the whole of the passenger side front was demolished. It was carted away on a truck. Feel sorry for the owners of the other car, don't think that they will be going far in it !
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on August 28, 2016, 10:03:05 AM
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One of those delightful gentlemen from the Charedi community took the opportunity to crash into the back of my car on my way to work today.
A lovely start to the day, which went steadily downhill from then on.

Unlucky with the car, considering they usually do not drive on the Sabbath ?.......  :(
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 28, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Do you know if anyone left a note on the other car Nemesis to give details of the accident?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on August 28, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
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Do you know if anyone left a note on the other car Nemesis to give details of the accident?

There were two pieces of paper under the wipers when I took the dog out last night around 11 pm. One looked to say Police at the top, but the whole set up was rather wet by then. I should imagine that it would be pulped by the later storm. The car had gone by late morning, but I'm almost certain that it would not have been drivable.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 28, 2016, 02:14:54 PM
Thanks Nemesis,  it's annoying to come back and find your car damaged with no note of explanation, but if the Police were involved the Car owner presumably would have contacted them
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on September 05, 2016, 11:47:29 AM
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A55 roundabout removal project given £34m boost
The project to replace the A55 roundabouts at Llanfairfechan and Penmaenmawr has been allocated £34m by the Welsh Government.
Under the major highways scheme, the two roundabouts will be replaced with junctions - with two years of traffic delays for drivers.
The Welsh Government previously said it hoped to start the major construction scheme in 2017, with work lasting until 2019 and causing misery for motorists.
Plans to replace A55 roundabouts at Llanfairfechan and Penmaenmawr with junctions have been put back two years.
The Welsh Government wants to remove the two roundabouts to improve safety and help traffic flows on the key route through North Wales.
They had hoped to start the two year long construction scheme in 2017 but now the projected start date is 2019.

It means living with the roundabouts for another two years but at least delays the start of traffic misery from the construction work on that stretch for thousands of drivers.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-roundabouts-stay-until-2021-11841427 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-roundabouts-stay-until-2021-11841427)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on September 05, 2016, 06:57:34 PM
Might not need to bother if the Irish traffic starts going directly to France after Brexit.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on September 10, 2016, 03:03:51 PM
Passing Glodaeth St. car park today, I thought it looked different, and realised there was a row of cars missing, I assume the first car in, straddled the dividing line and the rest followed, with the loss of approx. 24 spaces and fees  there are very faint markings, and definitely needs repainted.
Llandudno already struggles for parking .......... $angry$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on September 11, 2016, 06:32:43 PM
I was driving in my road yesterday when a car shot across from a side road and nearly hit me.  I stopped in time and thankfully so did the other guy but he seemed oblivious to what he had nearly done.
I had a car written off at the exact same  spot in 2006 when an uninsured driver did the same action so I was really angry that it nearly happened again.
If an accident had happened it would have been his word against mine but as I now have a video camera installed in the car that would have been all the evidence I needed.
My camera is visual and audio and if I had to present the evidence to the Police then I'd have to apologise in advance for my language.   
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on September 11, 2016, 09:18:54 PM
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Passing Glodaeth St. car park today, I thought it looked different, and realised there was a row of cars missing, I assume the first car in, straddled the dividing line and the rest followed, with the loss of approx. 24 spaces and fees  there are very faint markings, and definitely needs repainted.
Llandudno already struggles for parking .......... $angry$

Which side of Gloddaeth did you mean? The York Road car park has recently been re-painted and the huge pot holes filled in. ( Not so the broken fencing and dangerous overhead barriers) but I imagine you mean the one in Maelgwyn Road? We locals have been haranguing the council for 12 months on the subject.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on September 12, 2016, 10:29:25 AM
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Which side of Gloddaeth did you mean? The York Road car park has recently been re-painted and the huge pot holes filled in. ( Not so the broken fencing and dangerous overhead barriers) but I imagine you mean the one in Maelgwyn Road? We locals have been haranguing the council for 12 months on the subject.
Sorry Nem, Yes I meant the Maelgwn Rd. car park, .....when I passed yesterday afternoon, there was a group of people trying to get tickets from the machine without success.  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on September 16, 2016, 03:35:01 PM
Wondered where to post this but I think in here will do. This is from our car dash cam taken on Tuesday as we passed through Glan Conwy. It's almost unbelievable but watch it until the coach comes round the narrow bend - quickly :-)

Click Here. (https://youtu.be/58_81kOYX1w)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on September 16, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
Should be displaying a red flag on it at a guess!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: majormellons on September 16, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
Some people should not be given a driving license.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on September 16, 2016, 05:25:12 PM
Stupid ........... How could they not see, that was going to happen, the only consolation is that they would have had one hell of a shock when those pipes? jumped in the car, very lucky not to loose control. :o
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on September 16, 2016, 06:16:47 PM
What an idiot. Surely he could have hung something on the ends of the pipes ??????
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on September 16, 2016, 06:48:55 PM
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What an idiot. Surely he could have hung something on the ends of the pipes ??????

His neck................ :twoface:
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on September 16, 2016, 07:23:33 PM
Had he been spotted by the police he'd almost certainly have been booked. Certainly was entertaining watching him...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on September 17, 2016, 11:07:28 AM
That road is particularly bad at that point so it's a good job that the coach driver wasn't over the line or otherwise  there could have been a serious accident.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on September 17, 2016, 06:16:27 PM
I trust you could let the Police see that ... I can make out his registration number !
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on September 17, 2016, 06:22:43 PM
The Police can do something about it because I've seen another clip of extremely bad driving and I think it was in the Vale of Clwyd area and the driver was prosecuted as a result
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on September 17, 2016, 06:31:54 PM
If a motorcyclist had met him the results might have been tragic.  Well, the footage is time stamped and legally admissible, according to the manufacturers, so I'll wait and see if they're interested.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on September 17, 2016, 11:17:40 PM
This is the incident I was referring to.


https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi5y-zYtpfPAhWLCcAKHX7hA5sQFggoMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.driving.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fnicked-by-dashcam-the-in-car-cameras-turning-drivers-into-cops%2F&usg=AFQjCNHFXHb964CP-LuOdYsqoVHLwuJ_qw (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi5y-zYtpfPAhWLCcAKHX7hA5sQFggoMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.driving.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fnicked-by-dashcam-the-in-car-cameras-turning-drivers-into-cops%2F&usg=AFQjCNHFXHb964CP-LuOdYsqoVHLwuJ_qw)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on September 18, 2016, 09:01:40 AM
Interesting.  And that guy was jailed.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on September 18, 2016, 03:33:13 PM
This afternoon a motorcyclist with an L plate went through the pedestrian crossing outside M&S when the lights were on red and I was half way across the road. There's a CCTV camera there too, hope he was clocked. It was the same person who passed us on Marine Drive earlier going at a stupid speed.He was lucky then too as there was a car blocking most of the road reversing in to the only parking spot overlooking Llys Helig.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 01, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Police have shut the road between Glan Conwy and Tal y Cafn near Bodnant Garden

https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MjgxNDA3MjUzODAmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9T29EVi1HcFNkb0JrVFA5bTU1aTZrQSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=28140725380&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&ck=a79ace657fb364d3ba57698e15f06a86
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 01, 2016, 05:10:30 PM
Photo re Hugo's last post ...........
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on October 01, 2016, 06:42:42 PM
Do we know the exact location, Steve?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 01, 2016, 06:57:19 PM
I could be wrong Ian, but it looks like just before  the bend when you turn left towards Bodnant  (going from Glan Conwy )
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on October 01, 2016, 07:51:46 PM
Hugo, you are more or less right. We went past about 3.30pm, the police were still there but the vehicles involved had been removed. It was just on the Glan Conwy side before the turn left to the Gardens.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on October 02, 2016, 08:18:19 AM
Thanks.  Many drivers take that bend too quickly, I've noticed, and combined with cars attempting to leave Bodnant and the village I'm not really surprised. Another nasty one in Llandudno, according to BBC.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 02, 2016, 08:40:56 AM
It looks like it was a bad crash with a number of people injured

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/five-hospitalised-after-conwy-a470-11966098 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/five-hospitalised-after-conwy-a470-11966098)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 11, 2016, 04:13:43 PM
Pump prices are on the rise and set to jump 5p a litre by the end of the month, warn retailers.
Prices are already edging up in the region with drivers reporting that some Tesco forecourts had put prices up a penny a litre overnight.
Now there is a warning that this is the start of rising prices with the potential of an extra 5p on a litre by the end of October.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/fuel-prices-rising-set-increase-12007346#rlabs=1%20rt (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/fuel-prices-rising-set-increase-12007346#rlabs=1%20rt)$category%20p$2
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on October 11, 2016, 06:23:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-37610818 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-37610818)

I'm Speechless ! :-X
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 17, 2016, 07:50:20 AM
Police encourage the public to submit "dashcam" evidence


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37672104 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37672104)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 24, 2016, 01:06:18 PM
I went to Llandudno today and found out that the Llandudno Road section by The Llandrillo Tech College is closed.  I don't know how long the road will be closed for while the resurfacing goes on.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 24, 2016, 02:56:18 PM
It is the same either side of the Links roundabout, Hugo.

I suppose if these jobs have to be done then doing them during half term holiday should ease the problem around both Coleg Llandrillo and Ysgol Craigydon.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 24, 2016, 03:13:58 PM
Thanks for that info Bri as I wasn't aware of it.    $good$

It makes sense to plan the work in those areas around the half term holiday.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on October 24, 2016, 03:59:00 PM
The signs have been up at Llandrillo College for about 3 weeks but are no help if you are not a regular user of that stretch but I will avoid The Links roundabout now I know about it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 31, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
There are traffic lights at the top of Kings Drive in Colwyn Bay and a 3 way light system is in operation.   Parking of the vehicles doing the work is thoughtless at its best and plain stupid at its worst.
A bus turning to the right at the top of the hill was blocked in and when I returned uphill the bus was still stuck with vehicles having to turn left and go up St Andrews road instead.
I then found that my way was blocked by two vehicles parked alongside each other and the driver seemed oblivious to the fact that he was causing an obstruction and only moved when i beckoned him to do so.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 27, 2016, 04:32:56 PM
The other day at about 3.00 pm,  I was travelling from Llandudno to Colwyn Bay and the traffic had stopped in Brompton Avenue about 300 yards from the big roundabout.
The school run and the one way system along Colwyn Bay promenade combined to make it virtual gridlock.  The traffic did move albeit very slowly but I felt sorry for the drivers in the side roads as no one was allowing them to get into Brompton Avenue.
If anyone has to drive that way it's best to avoid that time of day if possible.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on November 27, 2016, 05:18:54 PM
Do not tell anyone but  I leave Llandudno at about 5:00pm each weekday and have used DInerth Road to get to the West End and find it much quicker proving no one is actually sitting on the mini roundabout when the lights are on red. It would help if no cars were parked on Conway  Road at the West End so that cars could pass those wanting to turn right into KIngs Road......if that idea is used I want to claim the usual consultancy fee+Vat!

PS....keep the escape route a secret or I will get very annoyed if I am delayed.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on November 28, 2016, 10:51:35 AM
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Do not tell anyone but  I leave Llandudno at about 5:00pm each weekday and have used DInerth Road to get to the West End and find it much quicker proving no one is actually sitting on the mini roundabout when the lights are on red. It would help if no cars were parked on Conway  Road at the West End so that cars could pass those wanting to turn right into KIngs Road......if that idea is used I want to claim the usual consultancy fee+Vat!

PS....keep the escape route a secret or I will get very annoyed if I am delayed.
Good plan, it's a nightmare in the West End at the moment with the prom closed.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: born2run on November 28, 2016, 11:24:11 AM
It's become a lot easier to park in Llandudno town in the past few weeks. Got spots right where we needed to be in Mostyn Street and Madoc street lots of times, used to be impossible even at this time of year. Perhaps people doing more shopping at the retail parks and not town?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on November 28, 2016, 11:24:58 AM
...or the internet.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: born2run on November 28, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
That's true. I saw loads of adverts for black friday that Amazon were reducing their fire sticks to £25 but had no idea I could also pick them up from Currys for the same price
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Fester on November 28, 2016, 03:24:53 PM
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It's become a lot easier to park in Llandudno town in the past few weeks. Got spots right where we needed to be in Mostyn Street and Madoc street lots of times, used to be impossible even at this time of year. Perhaps people doing more shopping at the retail parks and not town?

...Or even on the pier!
What I mean is, I never open my pier shop at this time of year, because I realised about 5 years ago that anyone doing any Xmas shopping wouldn't dream of walking half a mile out to sea. (I know I wouldn't)
But, on Saturday, I popped on there to meet a customer and I ended up staying there for four hours!
I was pretty much raking it in, so much so that I opened again on Sunday.
It was pleasing, but so much at odds with what happened in the past, I'll not dare risk it again.


Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 04, 2017, 05:12:48 PM
The road conditions on the West Shore were perfect today but our attention was focused on a car being driven very slowly down the middle of the road.    It was only when the car passed us that we could see the reason why he was driving so slowly, he was busy texting on his phone.
He was completely oblivious to the car driving up behind him and he carried on driving for a great distance before he pulled in.

He was completely irresponsible with his driving and as his MOT had expired on 15th Nov 2016 I wonder what would have happened if he had been involved in a car crash.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on January 04, 2017, 05:56:37 PM
I followed a slow moving car through Deganwy later this afternoon. He appeared to be setting his sat nav.
Btw how did you find out about the expired MOT?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 04, 2017, 07:03:54 PM
Put " Car tax checker" into Google then go into the  DVLA site that appears.    If you put the registration number and make in, it will give you the info.

The DVLA has a new systen called Beta which is unfortunate as it is much worse than the previous system, if I can't find the vehicle there I use another website
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2017, 05:02:32 PM
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Put " Car tax checker" into Google then go into the  DVLA site that appears.    If you put the registration number and make in, it will give you the info.

The DVLA has a new systen called Beta which is unfortunate as it is much worse than the previous system, if I can't find the vehicle there I use another website

Didn't know that!
I have just checked a couple of my old cars to find out where they are now, well if they are still on the road. Interesting that my last one, a 9 year old VW Passat Diesel with 180,000 on the clock, and which I was advised was too expensive to keep maintaining, is still going strong 5 years later. It went to auction somewhere when I traded it in. I was sorry to see it go , especially as I'd hoped to take it to the magic 250,000 mile mark.
Probably made it now.
Probably has 78,000 on the clock too. :o :o
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on January 05, 2017, 06:18:50 PM
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The road conditions on the West Shore were perfect today but our attention was focused on a car being driven very slowly down the middle of the road.    It was only when the car passed us that we could see the reason why he was driving so slowly, he was busy texting on his phone.
He was completely oblivious to the car driving up behind him and he carried on driving for a great distance before he pulled in.

He was completely irresponsible with his driving and as his MOT had expired on 15th Nov 2016 I wonder what would have happened if he had been involved in a car crash.

I was walking round the edge of the rougher car park by the beach café at West Shore on Saturday and was nearly sideswiped by a blue Renault. As he lurched round in a circle, over the grassy bank and round I saw why. A small child was sitting on the driver's knee and steering. How stupid can some people be?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on January 05, 2017, 06:22:09 PM
How long have you got?  :'(
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 05, 2017, 10:28:14 PM
If texting and using the mobile phone while driving is as dangerous as drink driving and this is what the authorities are saying, then why aren't the penalties the same?
It should be an automatic driving ban for anyone using a mobile phone.   I don't think that the Police are doing enough to stamp out this practise. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 08, 2017, 05:08:03 PM
Is this the most selfish parking in N Wales?


https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MjkxNjA5MDQ1NjQmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9bWV2SkN1V2Y0anJPMlJjZGFjNXF0dyZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=29160904564&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&ck=a22f759b76c3117f468df2e5da62b0b3
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on January 08, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
Well the other 2 cars are up to the white line in their spaces so the lady may have been blocked on both sides if cars in the next spaces parked to the white line.
Personally....I would have gone further away and walked a few yards.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on January 08, 2017, 09:24:09 PM
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Well the other 2 cars are up to the white line in their spaces so the lady may have been blocked on both sides if cars in the next spaces parked to the white line.
Personally....I would have gone further away and walked a few yards.


Lady??? Where does it state it was a lady Mr Misogynist?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on January 09, 2017, 08:45:22 AM
Parking spaces in the UK are notoriously undersized, both for the increasing size of cars and the general level of driver competence. We always park well away from other cars and walk to the shop. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 09, 2017, 09:14:50 AM
You are bang on with the undersizied car parking spaces Ian and the Morrison Car Park in Colwyn Bay is notorious for that.    One woman driver (sorry SDQ)   did £300.00 worth of damage to my car  when she drove in to the parking space next to mine.    Then she drove off without leaving her details.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on January 09, 2017, 11:37:13 AM
Thought someone would fall for my error.......restores my faith in human nature  $good$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 09, 2017, 04:51:16 PM
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Put " Car tax checker" into Google then go into the  DVLA site that appears.    If you put the registration number and make in, it will give you the info.

The DVLA has a new systen called Beta which is unfortunate as it is much worse than the previous system, if I can't find the vehicle there I use another website



Just as a matter of curiosity I asked the DVLA about a car that was not on their data base but appeared on Halford's data base and this is the reply I got:-

"I am sorry, we are unable to confirm whether a vehicle is still in existence or not.

If you would like to find out this information you would need to do a 'car history check' this would be through a third party company, you can find more information online."

Since the car tax discs have been abolished just how many cars are being driven that are untaxed?      If the DVLA doesn't know about the vehicle then who does.




 

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2017, 06:09:07 PM
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Put " Car tax checker" into Google then go into the  DVLA site that appears.    If you put the registration number and make in, it will give you the info.

The DVLA has a new systen called Beta which is unfortunate as it is much worse than the previous system, if I can't find the vehicle there I use another website



Just as a matter of curiosity I asked the DVLA about a car that was not on their data base but appeared on Halford's data base and this is the reply I got:-

"I am sorry, we are unable to confirm whether a vehicle is still in existence or not.

If you would like to find out this information you would need to do a 'car history check' this would be through a third party company, you can find more information online."

Since the car tax discs have been abolished just how many cars are being driven that are untaxed?      If the DVLA doesn't know about the vehicle then who does.


You have to have the vehicle make as well as registration to do the check. You can't just put a number in for some reason.
If it's on Halford's database is it a recent visit or going back some time? If the car had transferred the number plate that might be a reason for you not finding it.
I put in a car make and reg on one that I had up to 1987. According to the DVLA it was last taxed up to some date in 1999 which would assume it was scrapped then.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on January 09, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
Possibly to do with Data protection.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 09, 2017, 10:24:01 PM
I've put the reg, make and model in and found it on their records but to find out if it is taxed or MOT'd  I would have to pay a fee and I'm not prepared to do that.
That info should be held by the DVLA anyway and not by a private firm.

I think that the DVLA's action in abolishing road tax discs has been false economy and it has backfired on them and now there are many motorists driving around without tax or insurance.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2017, 11:16:20 AM
I put in a car make and reg on one that I had up to 1987. According to the DVLA it was last taxed up to some date in 1999 which would assume it was scrapped then.


Dave,  I scrapped my car about two years ago and the scrap yard has to notify the DVLA when the car is scrapped and that way the DVLA has a full history of the vehicle.
The new data base that the DVLA has is called BETA and it's worse than the one before.   I have checked for an untaxed vehicle before and there is no trace of that vehicle on the new system even though that vehicle can be seen on the road quite often.

My curiosity in this case is only because I saw Police Traffic Officers on TV and wasn't impressed with their questioning when they stopped a motorist who had committed a road traffic offence.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: OrmeMac on January 10, 2017, 02:21:19 PM
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The new data base that the DVLA has is called BETA and it's worse than the one before.

BETA is usually just a term used for computing applications that are still in a testing phase. They reckon they are good enough to be used but may have some errors that need to be corrected further down the line. If you have come across any issues you should let them know in the hope they can be corrected in the final (release) version. (An ALPHA release is usually so bug ridden it is only used and tested internally)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2017, 04:52:49 PM
Thanks for that info OrmeMac and I have given the DVLA some feedback on their system.     :-[

It'll be interesting to see whether there will be any improvement in the system, only time will tell.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on January 10, 2017, 07:05:51 PM
Just to prove I am impartial regarding peoples parking habits.......look were this bloke broke down(?) yesterday lunch time! :o
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: OrmeMac on January 11, 2017, 11:09:03 AM
A long way from the Three Towns Area (Kirkcaldy in Fife, Scotland to be exact) but hopefully worth sharing anyway. Oh and I don't know if it was a male or female driver!

How about this for parking in a railway station car park?

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/345806/video-double-decker-car-pile-kirkcaldy-train-station/ (https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/345806/video-double-decker-car-pile-kirkcaldy-train-station/)





Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on January 11, 2017, 11:20:43 AM
Interesting...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on January 11, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
Couldn't read it. Clicked the link and it just gave me options to subscribe to the paper.
Tried a second time & it says I've reached the maximum of free views!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: OrmeMac on January 11, 2017, 12:08:07 PM
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Couldn't read it. Clicked the link and it just gave me options to subscribe to the paper.
Tried a second time & it says I've reached the maximum of free views!

The article said:

Parking attendants have been left dumbfounded by a Mazda MX-6 parked on top of a Volkswagen Golf at Kirkcaldy train station.

A leaflet asking the driver of the Mazda to contact Police Scotland was left under the windscreen, while a sign reading ‘Parking out of bays is an offence’ was toppled directly beside the scene.

Police have confirmed that nobody was injured and an investigation is under way.

As one of the few free remaining parking places in Kirkcaldy town centre, the railway station car park offers highly coveted space for commuters.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on January 11, 2017, 01:10:20 PM
They share the parking fee between them........ ;)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on January 17, 2017, 01:18:19 PM
Police convoys
Don’t be alarmed if you spot police motorcades in North Wales today - there’s convoy training taking place this week.ref DP
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on January 17, 2017, 04:59:36 PM
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Police convoys
Don’t be alarmed if you spot police motorcades in North Wales today - there’s convoy training taking place this week.ref DP


Saw one this morning, I guessed it was a training exercise.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 17, 2017, 10:15:13 PM
Nine weeks of more delay on the A55


https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MjkyNjUzNTk5NzYmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9YlpsUy1TbEMwNTFUZEhBU0xEVVpJUSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=29265359976&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&ck=c1008fe91221c83583fd0e804291d50f
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: born2run on January 20, 2017, 02:02:29 PM
On my run today I noticed a sign on the flashy board thing of the A55 "WARNING, ANIMALS ON THE CARRIAGEWAY"

What's that about? I thought as soon as a creature wondered onto the road it was mown down by NW Police like a scene from death race 2000?

I don't know why I bother paying my council tax, hopefully the police will dispatch a uniformed joy rider out ASAP to squash these errant creatures.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on January 20, 2017, 04:21:18 PM
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I don't know why I bother paying my council tax, hopefully the police will dispatch a uniformed joy rider out ASAP to squash these errant creatures.

In that case B2R, be careful on your run......
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 29, 2017, 04:13:19 PM
More bad parking and some of them are inexcusable


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-parking-car-tastrophes-12517556 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-parking-car-tastrophes-12517556)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: mull on January 29, 2017, 06:43:14 PM
Why are the licence plates blanked out ?
Name and shame I say.
Title: Re: Road conditions
Post by: SteveH on February 07, 2017, 11:20:21 AM
I found this article interesting and enlightening.....

When you walk or drive in the UK, you’re being nudged by dozens of hidden messages embedded in the roads and pavements.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170206-the-tricks-being-played-on-you-by-uk-roads (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170206-the-tricks-being-played-on-you-by-uk-roads)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: hollins on February 07, 2017, 01:51:11 PM
Drove into Manchester this morning and thank goodness I checked the oracle (Tom) before I left because once again he has saved me hours of queuing on the A55. I saw that it was closed at Flint so I had a very pleasant drive via Mold instead. Thanks again Tom!

I also noticed this morning that the BBC are doing away with their travel news page this month as part of their attempts to save money.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Tom Davidson on February 07, 2017, 03:17:31 PM
Just be careful Hollins as I don't work every day (as much as Trinity Mirror might want me too!). I'm on earlies this week so should have any traffic info in the mornings.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on February 07, 2017, 10:34:48 PM
Dashcam footage has been helpful to the Police and this report may encourage others to report instances of bad driving on the roads


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38884645 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38884645)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on February 12, 2017, 05:13:39 PM
Yesterday I was returning home on the A470 from Betws Y Coed  in a line of traffic and twice I was overtaken by cars who had overtaken 2 or three cars behind me and then they pulled up in front of me braking hard and causing me to do the same.
Luckily I had left sufficient room and no accident was caused.
Within minutes they were off again doing the same thing and not indicating while overtaking either.
I've got a dashcam on the car I was driving which is handy in case I need evidence  but my language on it would be unprintable.      :-[
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on February 13, 2017, 04:31:50 PM
Car's front end split in two by lamp post in Llandudno crash
The vehicle, driven by an elderly man, smashed into a lamp post close to Asda in Mostyn Broadway this afternoon.
The front of the car was severely damaged in the accident.
The driver, an elderly man, was given a check up but did not require hospital treatment.

Video
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-asda-crash-car-bonnet-12598429 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-asda-crash-car-bonnet-12598429)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Quiggs on February 14, 2017, 03:20:28 PM
Quite impressed by the strength of the lamp post, I often thought they looked a little flimsy
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on February 14, 2017, 04:16:14 PM
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Quite impressed by the strength of the lamp post, I often thought they looked a little flimsy

I thought the same myself, considering it was a BMW, also it must have been moving fast and that area is quite built up?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2017, 04:56:14 PM
It was luck no one was passing by as there would have been a serious injury there.     I've seen damage to railings and lamp posts caused by other drivers and wondered who pays for that damage.
Would Asda make a claim through that driver's insurance policy?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: norman08 on February 14, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
It's still baffeling me how it got there ,that is not a lamppost it is the camera post ,the great daily post reporting it was on the main road oops .
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on February 14, 2017, 09:44:13 PM
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Quite impressed by the strength of the lamp post, I often thought they looked a little flimsy

I thought the same myself, considering it was a BMW, also it must have been moving fast and that area is quite built up?


Modern cars are very 'soft' at the front and designed to just collapse in a collision so if a person is hit by the vehicle they have a better chance of survival.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 01, 2017, 11:55:36 AM
It's a step in the right direction but it should be similar to those people caught drink driving and anyone using a hand held mobile phone while driving should be banned automatically.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39118523 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39118523)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 05, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Just as well that I didn't go to the steam railway gala in Llangollen as I would have gone that way to get there.


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-snow-hits-wrexham-denbighshire-12694228 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-snow-hits-wrexham-denbighshire-12694228)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on March 05, 2017, 04:55:57 PM
The family arrived for the day and said that they had been in 2 minds about carrying on the snow was so heavy.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on March 06, 2017, 08:56:20 AM
It took 4 1/2 hours to make the return journey as they hit rain, snow and standing traffic on the M60. Not to be recommended with a 4 year old !
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 06, 2017, 09:09:57 AM
That's a scary journey Nemesis but at least they all got home safe and sound in the end.    $good$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on March 07, 2017, 09:18:57 AM
Although I have done quite a few miles in the north recently, it's not often that I venture south of the West Midlands, but went I drove to 'sarff' London last week and was shocked at the state of the roads in the south. You had to actively dodge the potholes (a dangerous enough action in itself) to avoid buckling a rim (or braking an alloy) and these were not confined to 'B' roads, 'A' roads and motorway surfaces were awful in some places with large holes right on the driving line. They would be killers for motor-cyclists, I was glad my biking days are over. One particular hole on a right hand bend just outside Hatfield right in the nearside tyre line could have taken a standard sized bucket.

I'm glad to say that the roads in the north are just one of the multitude of things that are better than the south...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 08, 2017, 08:22:28 PM
Helmet cam captures van hitting motor biker.     With the standard of driving nowadays a camera can capture an accident and prove who was at fault.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-39203190 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-39203190)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on March 09, 2017, 08:20:17 AM
There was a collision yesterday (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-39211121) between a child cyclist and a minibus on the road between Trefriw and Crafnant. The child had to be airlifted to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DaveR on March 09, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
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There was a collision yesterday (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-39211121) between a child cyclist and a minibus on the road between Trefriw and Crafnant. The child had to be airlifted to Liverpool.
As much as I love walking around Crafnant, I hate that road up to it. You can almost guarantee you will meet a car or van at one of the narrow bits, inevitably someone who cant reverse properly...
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on March 09, 2017, 11:29:35 AM
We have for years given people printed instructions on how to visit the Welsh Lakes. In large red letters on each sheet are the words
IF YOU ARE NOT A CONFIDENT DRIVER, OR CANNOT REVERSE FOR 100 YARDS, PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE THESE ROADS.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 09, 2017, 11:41:55 AM
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We have for years given people printed instructions on how to visit the Welsh Lakes. In large red letters on each sheet are the words
IF YOU ARE NOT A CONFIDENT DRIVER, OR CANNOT REVERSE FOR 100 YARDS, PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE THESE ROADS.

That would make a good road sign Nem.  $good$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on March 09, 2017, 02:38:13 PM
Good idea Steve H.

You would be amazed at how our Welsh roads frighten some people. Especially those from the flatter areas of Gt. Britain.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 18, 2017, 09:02:49 AM
Traffic jam hotspots in Llandudno will be tackled amid fears that the arrival of Primark and Wilco will spark gridlock.

The peak time problems around the Parc Llandudno and Mostyn Champneys retail parks cause congestion on one of the key entrance and exit roads to Llandudno.

A spokeswoman for Conwy council said: “We will be carrying out a number of improvements to traffic management in Llandudno this year,
    Removal of signal control from Charlotte Road onto Conway Road, with new zebra crossing.

■ Changes to Parc Llandudno/Asda junction including rephasing of lights, to increase junction capacity.

■ Improvements to Charlotte Road/Mostyn Broadway junction to improve visibility and provide defined left and right turn lanes.

“We are also working on longer term improvements to the Mostyn Street/Vaughan Street junction at North Western Gardens (subject to funding).”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudnos-primark-traffic-gridlock-fears-12754930 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudnos-primark-traffic-gridlock-fears-12754930)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: norman08 on March 18, 2017, 10:21:17 AM
Gareth Owen has been banging his head about this for a few years now ,doing away with the traffic light and putting a zebra crossing wow it's death trying to cross that road as it is ,going to be very interesting.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on March 19, 2017, 03:41:39 PM
Ed Hillier, MD Mostyn's, has been telling CCBC to solve the problem, which 'he believes can be done simply and quickly'. He's been telling them for five years, and I know similar comments have been made on here for at least four years. CCBC really do excel in the utter incompetence department.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 19, 2017, 04:02:59 PM
If my memory serves me right local people were telling CCBC about the problems that would arise  long before it was set out and I've a feeling that Mostyn Estates were in favour of it at the time, possibly because they had a lot to gain from the lay out.

It's strange how people change their mind when it suits them as a few years ago Mr Hillier was suggesting a tram line from the Railway Station along Mostyn Broadway to Bodafon Fields.    $hands$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 19, 2017, 04:23:30 PM
Me and Mrs R regularly walk into Llandudno from the Links roundabout on the McDonalds side of the road.

Whilst I appreciate the current traffic light problems, we actually rely on the lights because when they change to red for the cars exiting Mostyn Champneys, we are able to cross safely (providing all cars immediately stop when the lights begin to change).

It is unclear if the new pedestrian crossing will be across Charlotte Road or across Conway Road towards Staples.

When one walks across the entrance to Mostyn Champneys, one cannot always see over the McDonalds hedge and Charlotte Road bends from the traffic lights back up towards that mini roundabout.

I also use the gym above the swimming pool and it surprising to witness how dangerous it can be watching pedestrians crossing from the rear of Currys over to the bus stop on Mostyn Broadway.

The existing pedestrian crossing further down outside the swimming pool is not entirely safe and is another issue that requires addressing.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on March 19, 2017, 06:46:55 PM
I do think trams would be a great asset to the area, Hugo.  It's the novelty factor.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area......... 13 mile traffic jam A55
Post by: SteveH on March 26, 2017, 06:28:05 PM
I hope you are all sitting comfortably at home........

Live: A55 drivers trapped in 13-MILE traffic jam amid roadworks chaos

Huge queues have formed from J16 Dwygyfylchi to J23 Llanddulas

Avoid the area if you can, says police officer
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-a55-drivers-trapped-13-12800176 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-a55-drivers-trapped-13-12800176)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on March 26, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
We drove up the A470 around 4. 30 pm and the traffic was solid stretching back from Black Cat almost to St David's. The A 55 was at a standstill.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on March 28, 2017, 03:41:30 PM
Wonder if the CCBC councillor describing the WA's highways departmental planning as 'incompetent' was a case of the kettle calling the Sosban Fach?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 28, 2017, 04:23:26 PM
I experienced the delays first hand yesterday, returning from Manchester airport , very frustrating, even taking the detour round Abergele, it added an hour to the journey.

Heres another story from Tom D.
A55 traffic queues for miles as 'ridiculous' Welsh Government carries out rush hour census
Motorists were left furious as the census caused severe delays on the eastbound carriageway around the Britannia Bridge.

Comments below article...
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-traffic-queues-miles-ridiculous-12806781 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-traffic-queues-miles-ridiculous-12806781)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 28, 2017, 04:32:31 PM
Why didn't they do the census with the traffic already held up in the Colwyn Bay roadworks queues? I bet they received some very interesting answers to their census!  &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 28, 2017, 07:52:58 PM
I had the misfortune to be stuck in the westbound lane of the A55 today just past Llanddulas but it was nothing like the delay on Sunday.   My friend was travelling from Llandudno to Colwyn Bay and it took him 1hr  25 mins to do the journey on Sunday.   Unfortunately he didn't take the route past Geordies to the Crem but he'll know for next time.
Why did they pick Mothering Sunday to do it?    The manager of the Mulberry in Conwy was on the TV and they lost thousands of pounds in bookings.    People coming to the place were stuck in traffic as were a number of the staff and it was a fiasco that could have been avoided
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on March 29, 2017, 07:27:32 AM
It's all to do with thoughtlessness, incompetence and stupidity - qualities that seem to abound in anything to do with roads. Not terribly different in fact, from one day a few years back, when CCBC (?) decided to cut the grass on the Black Cat roundabout. Nothing wrong with that in principle, except they decided to start the job, which entailed closing a lane,  at 0800 on a Wednesday. The tailbacks are still the stuff of legend. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 29, 2017, 06:37:45 PM
No more roadworks on the A55 after Easter!          &shake&


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/a55-roadworks-banned-easter-autumn-12805758 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/a55-roadworks-banned-easter-autumn-12805758)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 30, 2017, 07:23:26 PM
I had to go into Colwyn Bay at about 4.15 pm today and it was a nightmare.   The traffic was nose to tail all along Conwy Road and Abergele Road and barely moving.      It must be a nightmare there at the moment especially at times of  the school run
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on March 31, 2017, 09:24:33 AM
OMG I have people coming today, I have warned them about the hold ups, but most folk from away seem to think that we are making too much of it ! I shall boil the kettle and cut the lemon cake about midnight ! :-X
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on March 31, 2017, 10:50:35 AM
Traffic flowing as normal through the Conwy tunnels this morning. A little work still on the slip roads at jnt 18
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 31, 2017, 02:22:13 PM
Sooner or later car manufacturers will have dash cameras as an additional option when they buy new cars.    This morning I was driving down my road doing about 20 mph when a dark coloured Audi estate car crossed over a give way  T junction and had to do a very quick emergency stop to avoid crashing into me.
If the road conditions were wet or icy even and if I had of been driving faster then a collision would have been inevitable.    When I looked at the replay on my dash camera it was pretty scary but at least I had the evidence on camera.
At that same spot in 2006 I had another car written off when an uninsured driver did the same thing but wasn't able to stop in time.
If a crash happens again then I'll just call the Police
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 31, 2017, 03:08:21 PM
send it to the police or council maybe that junction needs a stop sign instead of give way.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on March 31, 2017, 06:33:49 PM
Thanks Steve, I'll have a think about that.    I have in the past complained about it and had the CCBC  official and local Councillor there in the past but the CCBC official was adamant that a stop sign was not needed even though there are near misses on it every single day.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on March 31, 2017, 06:53:49 PM
A55 roadworks at Conwy tunnel finish on time but Old Colwyn misery to continue until next week.

“We recently suffered a significant partial failure of a bridge joint just west of Llanddulas. We have had to put together an emergency package of works to minimise the impact on the A55 should that joint fail completely,” said Mr Skates, “we are installing a full central reserve crossover at Rainbow Bridge”.
Headded: “The crossover works, which are being carried out to a really challenging programme by local contractors, will be complete by Wednesday April 5 at the latest. The works cannot be removed at the weekend because it is just too unsafe to leave a gap of over 200 metres in the central reserve.”

Mr Skates went on to warn people that there will be delays on the road over the weekend,“as the works will continue over the forthcoming weekend we are extending messages across the border to warn motorists to allow extra time for their journeys.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-roadworks-conwy-tunnel-finish-12828654 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-roadworks-conwy-tunnel-finish-12828654)

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 02, 2017, 11:09:32 PM
Another bad Sunday for traffic queues in Colwyn Bay

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-traffic-queues-six-hours-12835295 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-traffic-queues-six-hours-12835295)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on April 03, 2017, 07:14:22 AM
A Ken Skates said "The works cannot be removed at the weekend because it is too unsafe to leave a gap of over 200 metres in the central reserve.".

I'm not entirely clear on this: I presume by that he means there would be no barrier between reservations? But that's exactly how dual carriageways used to be. I can still remember the arguments when safety campaigners were calling for them to be fitted for all dual carriageways and the same officials saying it would be too costly.

It's a matter of risk: we need to know how many vehicles have crashed into the safety barrier in that 200m stretch over the last five years (I'm guessing very few). Place a 40mph temporary limit on the stretch and I would seriously doubt there would be an issue. And when 60mph  roads everywhere don't even have a barrier, what on Earth is stopping them taking a pragmatic approach?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 03, 2017, 09:15:23 AM
Ian, I thought exactly the same! Perhaps there is a law that prevents it?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on April 03, 2017, 11:06:47 AM
In the WA and Scottish Highway regulations manual it says this:

"2.1 There are many definitions of hazard and risk; for the purpose of this Standard, the following definitions shall be used.

HAZARD: A hazard is a feature (e.g. embankment) or object (e.g. lighting column) that can cause harm or loss. Harm or loss can be physical, financial or economic, strategic, or be time-based, or any combination of these.
RISK: A risk is the chance, high or low, that somebody or something will be harmed by the hazard.

2.2 In general terms, in this Road Restraint Systems (RRS) Standard, risk can further be described as the likelihood of the hazard being reached or hit by an errant vehicle (chance) multiplied by the resulting consequence if the hazard is reached or hit (harm). The hazard may be within or beyond the highway boundary. A risk may also occur if a hazard that is hit by an errant vehicle falls, or becomes detached and forms a projectile, and causes an injury to Others or causes further damage. The consequence may, for example, be: injury to an occupant of the errant vehicle; temporary loss of a strategic installation; adverse affect on Others; etc."

Clear as mud, as you'd imagine.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 03, 2017, 01:10:54 PM
After installing the central reservation barriers someone must have come up with a brilliant idea.

A55 £5m emergency crossing points used JUST ONCE in 18 months




https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiYgNCMoIjTAhVMKsAKHfrbBQ8QFghOMAk&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.janetfinchsaunders.org.uk%2Fnews%2Fa55-ps5m-emergency-crossing-points-used-just-once-18-months&usg=AFQjCNGdf0Et4bUOnjstLcom3V1GljwiSg (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiYgNCMoIjTAhVMKsAKHfrbBQ8QFghOMAk&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.janetfinchsaunders.org.uk%2Fnews%2Fa55-ps5m-emergency-crossing-points-used-just-once-18-months&usg=AFQjCNGdf0Et4bUOnjstLcom3V1GljwiSg)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 03, 2017, 02:18:34 PM
Coming soon to the A55  :)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on April 03, 2017, 02:42:50 PM
 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on April 04, 2017, 08:47:19 AM
I have driven through the road-works at Rainbow Bridge several times over the past week or so, and one of the issues exacerbating the traffic congestion is the apparent inability for British traffic to 'use both lanes', despite the road signs telling drivers to do just that in order to 'merge in turn' or 'stich'. It's common sensible practice elsewhere in the world, but misunderstood in this country.

Do we actually love queuing that much?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on April 04, 2017, 09:10:34 AM
... and if you do try driving in the right-hand lane slowly overtaking the queue in the left lane, someone will pull out to block your way but not advance, so causing more congestion.

... wonder how bad it'll be next year when they work on the bridge over the quarry conveyor belt, which is why they're creating the cross-over now.  I'm sure that work will take some time with only one carriageway operating at any one time.

... don;t know when it's planned for but Easter onwards would probably be the best time to create as much havoc as possible!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on April 05, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
Private hire drivers are not generally known for their good driving manners or skills, but Interlink Taxi drivers have to get top marks for their poor driving standards.  Do they get special training in rudeness and aggressive driving or are they specially selected for having those attributes?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 06, 2017, 01:03:35 PM
The 70 year old woman needed surgery after being struck by the vehicle and the driver left the scene before the Police arrived.   It shouldn't be hard to trace the driver with all the CCTV cameras in the area but I wonder how the Police will treat this incident.
It made me think of the incident with the horse and rider being hit by a motorist on Sychnant Pass Road.   The driver there left the scene before the Police arrived so they weren't able to carry out any breathalyser or drug test on the driver.
The horse was killed and the horse rider was extremely lucky not to have had serious injuries but what did the Police do?
They decided not to prosecute the driver, will they do it again?


http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/174625/appeal-for-witnesses-after-a-70-year-old-woman-is-struck-by-vehicle-outside-llandudno-hospital.aspx#.WOYr1RybkG4.email (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/174625/appeal-for-witnesses-after-a-70-year-old-woman-is-struck-by-vehicle-outside-llandudno-hospital.aspx#.WOYr1RybkG4.email)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 07, 2017, 10:31:17 AM
I've been looking for a follow up to that accident that happened on Friday 24th March 2017 but can find nothing in the local papers.   It did say that the Police are appealing for the woman driver to come forward and hand herself in.      &shake&
I'm starting to wonder what resources the Police have put in trying to find the driver.
The chances are that the person is from the local area and there should be CCTV footage of that area and in nearby streets and it wouldn't take that long to see the car.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 08, 2017, 12:17:58 PM
Roadworks on Colwyn Bay promenade that have caused a headache for motorists and businesses will be lifted for two weeks.
Conwy council is undertaking a major seafront redevelopment to improve the condition of coastal waterfront defenses.
It has seen the road blocked between Victoria Pier and the Marine Road junction and a one way system between that junction and the Cayley Embankment which has caused traffic mayhem at busy times of the day.

due to re-open to two-way traffic for the fortnight’s Easter holidays between 7 and 24 April.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/nightmare-seafront-roadworks-colwyn-bay-12862609 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/nightmare-seafront-roadworks-colwyn-bay-12862609)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Nemesis on April 08, 2017, 05:44:27 PM
Quite congested around that area this morning.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on April 08, 2017, 09:21:40 PM
Is it really open or not?
I drove this evening along the Cayley prom and could get no further than the Toad. Had to turn right and go up to Princes Drive, turn left and past the station.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 08, 2017, 10:44:56 PM
That's as far as you can go now, all they have done is to make that stretch two way instead of a one way system going in the direction to Rhos on Sea.
At least it should help with the bottleneck at Colwyn Bay's West End.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 10, 2017, 03:30:49 PM
Road closure in Colwyn Bay

Queens Drive, Colwyn Bay will be closed to vehicles for three days next week, from 18 April to 20 April 2017.

Queen’s Drive will be closed from its junction with Lansdowne Road to the NLR Church entrance.

The closure is for work to be carried out on the new Coed Pella office development site.ref DP
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 11, 2017, 04:12:01 PM
This is unbelievable ....This is the incredible moment that a drunken mother lost control of her car and sent it flying into the air, while her baby son was in the backseat - and all caught on dashcam.
Video.... http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dashcam-captures-drunk-mothers-car-12878685 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dashcam-captures-drunk-mothers-car-12878685)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 11, 2017, 05:17:00 PM
That was a really disturbing video Steve and a miracle that no one was seriously hurt in that accident.    It's a shame that the sentences were concurrent as she deserves to spend longer in prison for that action.
Again a dash cam has helped the Police in this case of dangerous driving.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on April 14, 2017, 11:30:00 AM
Despite the gloomy forecast the A55 Cameras are showing some heavy traffic heading towards us.

http://www.tindish.com/cams/a55/ (http://www.tindish.com/cams/a55/)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 14, 2017, 11:49:42 AM
It was nice to see that footage Ian but I'm staying put until after Easter Monday and certainly will keep away from Llandudno  until next Thursday at least.
With regard to the traffic problem caused by the work on the Castle Hotel, a  spokesman for Bowmer & Kirkland said the company would do "everything it could" to reopen all roads before 28 April.
I hope that happens because the Victorian Extravaganza is the next big event in the town

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 14, 2017, 12:38:46 PM
I noticed this morning that the cones have been replaced outside the Tudno Castle stopping traffic from Vaughan Street crossing over to Vaughan Street thus giving priority to traffic exiting Llandudno from Mostyn Street.

The cones are accompanied by a couple of no entry signs secured with sandbags so I cannot see them being moved over again like yesterday.

The traffic from Vaughan Street is being diverted down Mostyn Street once again but, unfortunately, for visitors the diversions are not signposted again to inform them they can turn into Clomnel Street, St George's Place or North Parade.

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on April 20, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
I was driving along the A470 from Llandudno to Glan Conwy Corner and just past the round about by Narrow Lane the traffic had come to a halt. I waited about 10 minutes and with hardly any movement going on,  I did a U turn and went down Narrow Lane to the round about.
I was then able to see the reason for the hold up, the Police and Ambulances were there so there had obviously been a crash somewhere near the junction with the round about.
I just hope that the accident wasn't too serious and that no one was hurt in it.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on April 20, 2017, 05:18:57 PM
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I was driving along the A470 from Llandudno to Glan Conwy Corner and just past the round about by Narrow Lane the traffic had come to a halt. I waited about 10 minutes and with hardly any movement going on,  I did a U turn and went down Narrow Lane to the round about.
I was then able to see the reason for the hold up, the Police and Ambulances were there so there had obviously been a crash somewhere near the junction with the round about.
I just hope that the accident wasn't too serious and that no one was hurt in it.
I got caught in that hold up, very slow traffic, but kept moving,  it cleared as I reached the roundabout, the wooden fence on the left was smashed, presumably part of the scene.
While moving forward slowly, I noticed out of the corner of my eye, a vehicle overtaking me, my usual reaction, started to kick in, .... XXXXX  ... fortunately it did not,.....it was a hearse, unusually in a hurry.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on May 05, 2017, 04:35:31 PM
Today at lunchtime - westbound A494 onto the A55, a Tony Doyle Meats van (complete with personalised plate).....

.....and the driver texting.

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 12, 2017, 04:30:25 PM
If anyone is going to St Asaph from the Talardy roundabout on the A55 be prepared for long delays as road works are ongoing in The Roe.  On Wednesday we were stuck on the roundabout for a while and then decided to go back along the A55 and go to Trefnant through the St Asaph Industrial Park instead.
A friend of mine did the journey yesterday and said that it was horrendous and that the works may be going on for another three weeks
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 13, 2017, 04:43:05 PM
Serious accident on the A470 blocks the road

https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzA1NTU3MjYxMjgmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9NFJfNVlJZVVXTE42SDJ5UmZhOS1UQSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=30555726128&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=d894bc9dc982d6bef96aa4313e298311
Title: parking meters in llandudno
Post by: barry b on May 15, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
got a bit confusing yesterday when trying to park near the pier--parking machines at the moment dont take the new pound coins-- i needed £3 and had 1 old pound coin and one £2 coin but there was no info on which coins the meter took-anybody got any info?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on May 15, 2017, 12:21:14 PM
Hi Barry B,
We have two similar machines at Holy Trinity Church, supplied and maintained by the same company i.e. Metric of Swindon. The company up-graded our machines as long ago as last September to accept both old and new £1 coins. In addition our machines accept £2 coins and others down to 5p.
I would have thought the Council ones probably do too.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: barry b on May 20, 2017, 12:02:39 PM
thanks for the info-on the day i visited i needed to get close to the water to launch my kayak- didnt want too long a carry
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 21, 2017, 11:00:44 PM
There is a campaign to cut horse and rider deaths, but are the Police doing enough to prosecute offending drivers?        In the Sychnant Pass incident last year a driver killed a horse and the horse rider was lucky that she didn't sustain serious injuries.   The driver also left the scene before the Police arrived and then the Police decided not to prosecute the driver



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-39991077 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-39991077)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-39720754 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-39720754)





Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on May 22, 2017, 02:35:50 AM
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There is a campaign to cut horse and rider deaths, but are the Police doing enough to prosecute offending drivers?        In the Sychnant Pass incident last year a driver killed a horse and the horse rider was lucky that she didn't sustain serious injuries.   The driver also left the scene before the Police arrived and then the Police decided not to prosecute the driver



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-39991077 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-39991077)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-39720754 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-39720754)

Hugo, I entirely agree with your sentiments, but, remember, its the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) that make the decision as to whether to prosecute, not the Police, and unless they think that there is a 75% chance of a conviction, (they call it 'a realistic chance')  they will not prosecute. This is wrong on a number of levels - firstly that cases are decided as to whether they are prosecuted or not by a Civil Service department that is more interested in the success of it's own conviction rate than justice and secondly, the standard of quality of CPS solicitors and personnel in general is pretty woeful. If a solicitor is of any competence, he will not be working for the CPS, but out in private practice milking the legal system.     
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 22, 2017, 08:56:50 AM
Bosun,  I've got nothing but admiration for the Police in the job they do and realise that sometimes their hands are tied by procedure but sometimes I think that justice only comes at a price.
I've been a victim of such a decision but in a more minor way.    My car was damaged in a parking space, the incident was caught on CCTV and a witness left a note on my car and was also seen on CCTV.   In addition the lady driver's red BMW had left paint marks all over my car.
The Police told me that they would not take any further action against the driver and would not test the red paint which would have given them irrefutable proof of the accident.
I had to accept their decision but wasn't  prepared to let her get away with it and instructed my insurance company to prosecute her and I came to a settlement with the insurance company so I wasn't out of pocket
I hope that that lady rider did something similar as her incident was so traumatic for her
Title: Re: parking meters in llandudno
Post by: DaveR on May 22, 2017, 09:24:17 AM
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got a bit confusing yesterday when trying to park near the pier--parking machines at the moment dont take the new pound coins-- i needed £3 and had 1 old pound coin and one £2 coin but there was no info on which coins the meter took-anybody got any info?
Once again, the level of CCBC incompetence is breathtaking. The launch of the new £1 coin was flagged months in advance, there is no excuse for this.  &shake&

On a more positive note, the promenade gardens are looking great this year, a lot of work has gone into getting them looking smart. Well done to the gardeners involved!  $good$
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on May 22, 2017, 09:41:01 AM
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Bosun,  I've got nothing but admiration for the Police in the job they do and realise that sometimes their hands are tied by procedure but sometimes I think that justice only comes at a price.
I've been a victim of such a decision but in a more minor way.    My car was damaged in a parking space, the incident was caught on CCTV and a witness left a note on my car and was also seen on CCTV.   In addition the lady driver's red BMW had left paint marks all over my car.
The Police told me that they would not take any further action against the driver and would not test the red paint which would have given them irrefutable proof of the accident.
I had to accept their decision but wasn't  prepared to let her get away with it and instructed my insurance company to prosecute her and I came to a settlement with the insurance company so I wasn't out of pocket
I hope that that lady rider did something similar as her incident was so traumatic for her

Hugo, the circumstances and decision that you describe are completely wrong, they set an appalling standard. But I have to ask, who made that decision? I would suggest that it was some clerk or PCSO, I'd be utterly appalled if it was a decision by a real Officer. And, I would have referred it to the Professional Standards Department for an explanation. But, it is the way things are going. I was in Liverpool recently and there were two girls who looked the age of schoolgirls in the fourth form. They were dressed in all the Police kit, the stab resistant vests, speed cuffs, radios etc and high vis vests with 'PCSO' on the back above large letters saying 'TRAFFIC OFFICER'. I complained to them about a badly parked car that was blocking me in. They looked completely dumbstruck and utterly at a loss. They had no idea what to do. It also turned out that neither of them could even drive.....

 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on May 22, 2017, 10:46:05 AM
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I was in Liverpool recently and there were two girls who looked the age of schoolgirls in the fourth form.

There weren't any parties going on at the time, were there?  WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 22, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
Bosun,  I wasn't too happy with the decision, especially after the Police Constable didn't interview the woman under caution but it was a Sergeant who advised me of the decision.
I told him that I wasn't happy with the way the investigation had gone and he asked me if I wanted to make a complaint but I said no because I thought that my incident was trivial compared to what else  is going on in the area now.


Another incident that occurred in March of this year when a 70 year old lady was hit by a car on a zebra crossing at Llandudno Hospital makes me wonder what the Police priorities are.

The Police are asking the woman hit and run driver to hand herself in!     &shake&

The Police have the exact time and location of the incident, a description of a small maroon coloured car and the description of the woman driver and all the CCTV evidence they  need to trace the hit and run driver and yet they can't find her.
She's probably local and Llandudno is not exactly a heavily populated area so why can't they find the driver.    If it was advertised on social media then I'm sure that they would get some useful leads in tracing the woman.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on May 22, 2017, 02:19:08 PM
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Bosun,  I wasn't too happy with the decision, especially after the Police Constable didn't interview the woman under caution but it was a Sergeant who advised me of the decision.
I told him that I wasn't happy with the way the investigation had gone and he asked me if I wanted to make a complaint but I said no because I thought that my incident was trivial compared to what else  is going on in the area now.


Another incident that occurred in March of this year when a 70 year old lady was hit by a car on a zebra crossing at Llandudno Hospital makes me wonder what the Police priorities are.

The Police are asking the woman hit and run driver to hand herself in!     &shake&

The Police have the exact time and location of the incident, a description of a small maroon coloured car and the description of the woman driver and all the CCTV evidence they  need to trace the hit and run driver and yet they can't find her.
She's probably local and Llandudno is not exactly a heavily populated area so why can't they find the driver.    If it was advertised on social media then I'm sure that they would get some useful leads in tracing the woman.

This is not good news about the Policing of the area. Yet, in another strand of this forum, there is praise for the zero tolerance of anti-social behaviour in Llandudno. The 'zero-tolerance' Policing system works, and should be in place across the board - not just for certain types of offence.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bosun on May 22, 2017, 02:20:36 PM
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I was in Liverpool recently and there were two girls who looked the age of schoolgirls in the fourth form.

There weren't any parties going on at the time, were there?  WWW WWW WWW

Actually, they would have made lovely strip-o-gram girls.........  :P
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 22, 2017, 04:06:45 PM
There were about 2 or 3 Police cars in attendance at what looked to be a car crash in Gloddaeth Avenue by the cross roads with Arfon Avenue and Deganwy Avenue.
No ambulances on the scene so I hope that no one was badly injured as a result of the crash
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on May 22, 2017, 04:32:12 PM
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There were about 2 or 3 Police cars in attendance at what looked to be a car crash in Gloddaeth Avenue by the cross roads with Arfon Avenue and Deganwy Avenue.
No ambulances on the scene so I hope that no one was badly injured as a result of the crash

Llandudno crash
The ambulance service are aware of the crash on Deganwy Avenue but have been told by police they are not required and there are no injuries. REF DP

Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 22, 2017, 08:13:11 PM
Thanks Steve, it's not nice seeing any crash but it's good to know that the people involved are not badly injured.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on May 30, 2017, 05:17:09 PM
More fascinating examples from our dashcam of utter stupidity and incompetence. As we leave the A470 Llandudno stretch to navigate the roundabout towards Glan Conwy take note of the Audi A4 coming off the A55.  I'm going to pass this one to the boys in blue, because idiots like that need dealing with. Note the lack of signals, the lack of a RH rear brake light, the breathtaking incompetence of turning right from the left hand lane and of course their registration No: C2 CGB.

https://youtu.be/l9RI14sOhTM
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on May 30, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
Good for you Ian and the Police are encouraging people to report bad driving to them.      $good$

I have a dash cam in my red car but not in the white car but after an experience last week I'm seriously thinking of getting one for that car too.
Last week I was driving my car down Lansdowne Road in Colwyn Bay and there are two sections of it where you have to drive very carefully as cars are parked along one side of the road and there is only room for one line of traffic to pass.
There were two vehicles coming towards me so I stopped and let them come through.    There were no other vehicles following so I drove down that part of the road and was about half way through it when a large white van approaching from the next section drove straight at me and actually accelerated towards me.  Just before any impact, he swerved onto the pavement and then drove along the pavement before going back on to the road.
Unfortunately I had no dash cam in that car or otherwise I would have reported him to the Police, the incident was too quick to take his registration down and there were no markings on the van to identify it.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SDQ on May 30, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
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More fascinating examples from our dashcam of utter stupidity and incompetence. As we leave the A470 Llandudno stretch to navigate the roundabout towards Glan Conwy take note of the Audi A4 coming off the A55.  I'm going to pass this one to the boys in blue, because idiots like that need dealing with. Note the lack of signals, the lack of a RH rear brake light, the breathtaking incompetence of turning right from the left hand lane and of course their registration No: C2 CGB.

https://youtu.be/l9RI14sOhTM


Seems a bit petty reporting someone to the police just because they were unsure of which exit they needed off the roundabout, especially as an illegally parked van obscured their view of the sign.
Haven't you got anything better to do with your time?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on May 30, 2017, 11:05:28 PM
Coming down Penrhyn Hill to the roundabout that is another place and there is a sign on the hill to help you choose the correct lane.....you would be off my Christmas card list if you reported it as it was hardly dangerous just poor. The driver behind is usually blamed if a collision occurs as you cannot see everthing behind you.
.Let us know how it goes!




Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on May 31, 2017, 07:58:09 AM
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More fascinating examples from our dashcam of utter stupidity and incompetence...their registration No: C2 CGB.

https://youtu.be/l9RI14sOhTM


Seems a bit petty reporting someone to the police just because they were unsure of which exit they needed off the roundabout, especially as an illegally parked van obscured their view of the sign.
Haven't you got anything better to do with your time?

Well, I could say survive, but aren't you missing the point? Look at the video again: the Audi driver positions himself very clearly in the LH lane. He then enters the roundabout and commences a right turn, forcing me to brake to avoid a collision.  He has only a single rear brake light and didn't bother indicating during the entire idiotic manoeuvre. The 'illegally parked van' didn't prevent the main sign being seen providing the vehicles are driving at a speed appropriate for the conditions.

So what should the driver have done?  Indicating might make a promising start, but he doesn't seem to know about that.  And you say
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just because they were unsure of which exit they needed off the roundabout.
  I'm tempted to ask how you know what the driver was thinking, but a half-way decent driver entering a roundabout without being sure and using their mirrors, which would have shown me on the inside and indicating to go right, would have exited the roundabout to the left to avoid a potential collision and tried again, this time hopefully using their mirrors and perhaps an indicator or two.

And it's curious that you seem to think any potentially lethal manoeuvre is acceptable if the driver simply isn't sure of which way to go. Perhaps they should invest in a map, or Satnav, or even do a spot of preparation. It's worth considering that had they pulled that manoeuvre in that way on a test they'd have been failed outright as it would qualify as 'dangerous'.


Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2017, 08:48:37 AM
I must admit I don't think there is much in that piece of video that warrants sending it to the police and if you did I would doubt they would take it any further. The car was indicating left presumably as he'd seen the sign on the A55 for Betws. If he wasn't expecting that short stretch to the roundabout and trying to figure out which way he was going he didn't have much time to decide and that's presumably why he cut across you and you were probably in his/her blindspot.
Yes, it was a poor manoeuvre but you see far worse on a regular basis and if everyone starts sending in footage when they have suffered a minor irritation the police will be overwhelmed.
Defensive driving is the answer but there is often a lack of awareness by many drivers.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on May 31, 2017, 09:54:34 AM
I agree you see far worse. I doubt the police will prosecute, in fact; all I suspect is needed is for an officer to call round and have a chat with the driver. Education is often the best way forward and if more of these incidents are sent in (which the police are encouraging) then more drivers might become aware that they risk being filmed every time they do something stupid and it might make them think more carefully.

But it;'s interesting:  when I posted the first example I'd captured, last year, of a bloke driving with a length of drain pipe sticking out of the rear passenger window, I was being berated for not sending it to the police. Seems there's quite a division on what constitutes dangerous driving.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 03, 2017, 02:16:47 PM
A55 closed due to Police incident at Bodelwyddan


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-40144671 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-40144671)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on June 03, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
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A55 closed due to Police incident at Bodelwyddan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-40144671 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-40144671)
H., A bit more info from the DP.

"Woman threatening to jump off bridge
Multiple witnesses now getting in touch to say a woman is sat on the edge of a bridge. The bridge is located at the turn-off for Ysbyty Glan Clywd I’m told."

This has been going on since 11.30am, the Live report shows people out of their cars, line dancing and playing ball games !
LIVE REPORT....  http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-a55-closed-bodelwyddan-police-13132408 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-a55-closed-bodelwyddan-police-13132408)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on June 03, 2017, 04:54:52 PM
Incident now brought to safe conclusion. Road to open shortly.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 03, 2017, 05:45:06 PM
We were caught up in the traffic coming from Tatton Park, amazing how one person can cause so much chaos !
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on June 03, 2017, 06:11:39 PM
Daughter left Llandudno just before three o'clock and has arrived home in Liverpool just over three hours later - usually takes less than half that time.  Was not much fun with a screaming one-year-old wanting his feed. 
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 22, 2017, 08:01:45 AM
More bad driving on the A470



https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzA5Nzc1NDM5NzQmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9VHV3WXZ6U0gzczcwYnhfcVhxN0plUSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=30977543974&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=075e7347a325ee39470c0bc9e8406e47
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on June 22, 2017, 08:37:55 AM
Idiot ... seems to be a non-British plate SAJDEVA (or should it be SA10 EVA ?) but I cannot make out the country in the left-hand bit of the plate.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Quiggs on June 23, 2017, 08:01:32 PM
I think that 'S' plates are from Scotland, and the 'A' could be Aberdeen??
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on June 23, 2017, 10:23:46 PM
You would be correct in saying it is a Scottish plate if it was SA, but it doesn't look like a UK plate to me as it seems to be all letters SAJDEVA or has been doctored in some way if it is SA10 EVA or SA11 EVA, in which case the spacing is incorrect as well.  I cannot make out the country in the blue section left-hand of the number plate.

SA10EVA does not come up on the DVLA car check but SA11EVA does - it is a white Vauxhall!

Being a foreign visitor does not give an excuse for such driving, but could make it difficult for the Police to take action.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 25, 2017, 03:59:42 PM
There was a cycle race on part of the A470  today and drivers just had to be patient and overtake the cyclist when it was safe to do so but all it would take is one impatient driver to cause carnage on the road.
On my way back from Maenan Abbey there was one such stupid driver in a  white Audi behind me and he overtook me on a short straight stretch that was approaching a bad bend and as he pulled in after overtaking me, two Police Cars travelling in the opposite direction and with their lights and sirens going came around the blind bend.
One second later then there would have been carnage on the road.
Another time if those Police cars had not been in  hot pursuit of something they would have turned around and caught up with him.
By the time I got to Bodnant, he was the car just in front of me!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 26, 2017, 12:10:27 PM
I don't know whether it was part of the 30K cycle race or not but in Tal Y Bont yesterday on the other side of the river there was a collision between a car and a cyclist and the cyclist was taken to hospital by the air ambulance
I'm unaware of the extent of his injuries but those roads on both sides of the river are dangerous to cyclists and pedestrians alike
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: SteveH on June 26, 2017, 02:02:34 PM
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I don't know whether it was part of the 30K cycle race or not but in Tal Y Bont yesterday on the other side of the river there was a collision between a car and a cyclist and the cyclist was taken to hospital by the air ambulance
I'm unaware of the extent of his injuries but those roads on both sides of the river are dangerous to cyclists and pedestrians alike

Not much info, but I think this is your collision ........http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/cyclist-airlifted-hospital-after-conwy-13233773#ICID=IYA (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/cyclist-airlifted-hospital-after-conwy-13233773#ICID=IYA)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 26, 2017, 03:25:23 PM
That's the one Steve, let's hope that the injuries are no too serious.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Bellringer on June 26, 2017, 05:19:04 PM
The Talybont incident happened on Saturday morning.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 26, 2017, 05:21:41 PM
Thanks Bellringer, I've not heard any more about that accident so perhaps no news is good news?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Tom Davidson on June 27, 2017, 07:06:26 AM
I'll chase more information today.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on June 27, 2017, 11:59:50 AM
The bloke is a 52 year old builder frm Colwyn Bay. who has broken.ribs and head injuries but was wearing.a helmet. Who gave the info. "A man in his 30s"?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on June 27, 2017, 07:07:04 PM
Thanks very much for the update on the cyclist, it's a good job that he was wearing a helmet or the injuries may have been far worse.
When I saw the cycle race on Sunday I did fear for their safety on that dangerous road and there is no way on earth I would ride along that road.
The idiot who overtook me coming up to a blind bend nearly had a head on crash with a Police Car coming around the corner and equally there could have been a cyclist or pedestrian around the corner too.       &shake&
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Tom Davidson on June 28, 2017, 08:05:03 AM
I wasn't working this weekend but that information will have been provided by the emergency services, most likely the ambulance service.
Title: Re: Road's
Post by: SteveH on July 11, 2017, 01:51:23 PM
Harrowing dashcam footage of moment lorry driver wiped out a family
This distressing video issued by the police with agreement by the family shows how using a mobile phone behind the wheel can have devastating consequences.

The harrowing footage shows the moment that a driver took his attention off the road, and in an instant snuffed out the lives of a mother and her three young children.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/harrowing-dashcam-footage-moment-lorry-13312932 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/harrowing-dashcam-footage-moment-lorry-13312932)
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on July 13, 2017, 03:22:31 PM
I was looking for the posting by DVT of a car parked on a pavement in Llandudno Junction but unfortunately couldn't find it so I'm posting it on here instead.
This afternoon I was driving along Penrhyn Road Colwyn Bay and saw some atrocious parking.  Quite often vehicles double park but this was inexcusable.   I drove around the town and the car was still parked at an angle so I thought that I'd take a photo and then the old duffer came out of the building society and just drove off apparently oblivious to any other road user.
Where are the Traffic Wardens?
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on July 13, 2017, 05:35:15 PM
I often moan about cyclists not using cycle paths when they are available - one notable place being the main road through Llandudno Junction - there is a cycle path on the pavement past the garages (Ford, Audi, Mercedes, etc).

However, of late I note there are a number of cars parked on the pavement between the Audi/Mercedes garage and the entrance to Richard Williams Heavy side.  So the cyclists cannot use the cycle path even if they were inclined to do so!  Also makes it difficult for pedestrians.

Also Narrow Lane between Richard Williams Wood side and the entrance to the Welsh Assembly has a line of parked cars every night ... and they are almost all newish Audis - I wonder whose they are!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Moelycrio on July 14, 2017, 05:17:09 PM
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I often moan about cyclists not using cycle paths when they are available - one notable place being the main road through Llandudno Junction - there is a cycle path on the pavement past the garages (Ford, Audi, Mercedes, etc).
The cyclepath that goes all the way from the roundabout to the err .......builders merchants? And puts cyclists into conflict at 2 additional points over and above staying on the road? Thanks all the same!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: DVT on July 14, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
I fully agree that the cycle path near the Audi garage is totally pointless and I really wonder who designed it s d whether or not there was any input from someone with common sense.

However, the cycle path under the A55 nearby is sensible provided cyclists wait for the road to be clear before ccrossing traffic.  Family type cyclists use it but often the lycra clad brigade seem to forget they're on two wheels and not in a car.


Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2017, 08:54:43 AM
I wasn't sure where to post this as it's off road, car parking.
Taking a walk on the cycle path yesterday I noticed the Conwy Council warden speaking to motorhome owners parked in the Llanddulas car parks who each departed afterwards. Not sure if they were booked or not as I later spotted this very small and recently erected sign.
Now we all have our views on "wild camping" as it's called and the promenades of Llandudno and Colwyn Bay as well as the car parks are places where the ban should be enforced but surely it's a bit harsh to stop access at mid day to someone staying legitimately in a proper campsite.
Do we really want to persecute tourists to the point of them not coming back?
Incidentally, the person illegally asleep in his deckchair was thankfully overlooked.

oh, and so was the ice cream van which presumably has a special licence.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2017, 02:57:23 PM
I agree with the points that you are making Dave but I wonder what the CCBC Warden would have done if there had been troublesome travellers there instead of genuine holiday makers?
One rule for one and another for those that don't abide by the rules anyway.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Quiggs on July 19, 2017, 03:51:46 PM
I have cycled for many years and still do at 77 yrs of age. I find the so called cycle ways totally inappropriate as I often exceed 15 mph, to do so on a path with pedestrians would be irresponsible, so I use the roads, although the 'Black Cat' roundabout is a little daunting.  *cycle* *cycle*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2017, 06:18:05 PM
Quiggs,  I dare you to do 15 mph on the West Shore cycle track.  West shore car park to the Black Rocks and back.               *tumble*
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Quiggs on July 19, 2017, 08:49:23 PM
Another reason not to use 'Cycle Tracks'.  :D
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on July 20, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
Not exactly road conditions but parking in Morrisons in Colwyn Bay today.     Parking is difficult anyway in Morrisons car park as the spaces are small but it's not helped when you have very bad and inconsiderate parking such as this.
If anyone wants to draw attention to such bad parking they should ensure that the car is properly taxed and MOT'd  but according to the DVLA this BMW's  MOT expired on 17th June 2017
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on July 20, 2017, 05:40:12 PM
Whenever your on the cycle track be aware of 'works vehicles' which have had to reverse into the out lane to park at Rainbow Bridge!
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on July 20, 2017, 11:10:41 PM
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Not exactly road conditions but parking in Morrisons in Colwyn Bay today.     Parking is difficult anyway in Morrisons car park as the spaces are small but it's not helped when you have very bad and inconsiderate parking such as this.
If anyone wants to draw attention to such bad parking they should ensure that the car is properly taxed and MOT'd  but according to the DVLA this BMW's  MOT expired on 17th June 2017

Just checked again and the DVLA  records have now been updated and the MOT has been done and now expires on 12th Nov 2017   $good$

Perhaps the owner will pay more attention to dates and especially to their parking in the future
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 21, 2017, 06:33:10 AM
I'm puzzled by the mot, had run out on 17th June, but now runs until 12th November?  Awful parking though!

Just checked, still not mot'ed

Check the MOT history of a vehicle
Registration number: RA53KRO
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Vehicle makeBMW Vehicle model530 Date first used29 October 2003 Fuel typeDiesel ColourBlue
 
MOT history of this vehicle
Test date15 June 2016 Expiry date17 June 2017 Test ResultPass Odometer reading99,562 miles MOT test number3557 2989 9218 Advisory notice item(s)
Windscreen has damage to an area less than a 40mm circle outside zone 'A' (8.3.1d)
Offside Front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
oil leak in engine
Test date15 June 2016 Test ResultFail Odometer reading99,562 miles MOT test number1411 5489 3527 Reason(s) for failure
Front Windscreen washer provides insufficient washer liquid (8.2.3)
Tyre pressure monitoring system warning lamp indicates a fault (4.1.D.4)
Advisory notice item(s)
Windscreen has damage to an area less than a 40mm circle outside zone 'A' (8.3.1d)
Offside Front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
oil leak in engine
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on July 21, 2017, 09:00:48 AM
ME you are spot on with that and when I checked again with the DVLA  the MOT  is still out of date and expired on the 17th June 2017.
I don't know what I must have checked last night but thanks very much for pointing that out.
Because of the new system with road tax not being transferred to the new owner of the vehicle this type of thing can happen quite often but it is not an excuse for driving illegally.
I hope that the owner realises this before they are reported to the Police.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2017, 09:09:53 AM
No excuse for having an illegal car on the road but the original photo was more about inconsiderate parking. To be fair there appeared to be plenty of spare spaces and few cars at the time the photo was taken but of course it depends on how long the owner intended staying.
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Hugo on July 21, 2017, 10:44:21 AM
I was there for quite a while and other cars came and went but the lines are there for a purpose for all users,     The length of time anyone intends to be in the parking area is irrelevant, it's lazy, selfish and at it's worst suggests that the driver's ability to park properly  is limited
Title: Re: Road conditions in the area
Post by: Ian on July 28, 2017, 08:56:14 AM
There's some major work taking place on the A470 just before you reach Plas Maenan.  There's single line escorted traffic for about a quarter of a mile. They've been working overnight so it might be finished soon, and seems to be a water issue.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 19, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
More problems on the A470 between Betws Y Coed and Llanrwst


https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzE1NjYwNDE0MzMmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9RGQxQUhXeVlteDlhWHF2NXdQc1d6dyZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=31566041433&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=ab1bf881b6e0d196cebda54792f35a50
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: TELL on August 21, 2017, 02:54:07 PM
An enjoyable moment this morning. It really annoys me when self-important selfish drivers come charging down the outside - right turn lane - of Conway Road then either try to cut in on the Links roundabout and carry straight on, or go right round it. This morning a hatchback tried to cut across me on the roundabout but forgot the white van in front of him and ploughed into the back of it. The van driver was a big chap and didnt look full of bonhomie when he got out. Made my day!
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on August 21, 2017, 02:58:04 PM
The problem is that it's not obvious to visitors that it is a right turn lane until you're rather close to the roundabout.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on August 21, 2017, 06:33:23 PM
Good to hear that accepting dash-cam footage from the public by the police is now being extended Wales-wide.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on August 21, 2017, 06:56:36 PM
I saw that on the news Ian and it's a good thing, recently two cars have come out of a road junction and I've had to break sharply to avoid a collision.
Only last night I was talking to my wife about having one in our second car and I'd have no hesitation of passing the footage on.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Quiggs on August 22, 2017, 04:12:16 PM
I have a Dashcam and found it also has the added advantage of making you conscious of your own driving, knowing that it is being recorded  &shake&
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on August 23, 2017, 09:16:31 AM
There's a bit of a yes and no in this one for me. Last Saturday I drove to Liverpool for the match. On the way and while driving up Rhuallt Hill, a notorious accident blackspot, a Volvo Estate swung from the outside lane across to the inside lane of three, undertaking a row of around half a dozen cars which had correctly moved in to the middle lane pre emptying a very slow lorry up ahead. At great speed the Volvo just managed to squeeze through the gap between two cars but went right across in to the fast lane causing mayhem in it's wake. A case worth sending to the police for sure.
On the way back, I irritated a driver by edging in front of him in a queue for the toll booth at the Mersey Tunnel. It was something everybody has to do in the chaos at peak times but this guy took exception and hurled abuse at me. I ignored him but on leaving the pay booth I noticed him coming up fast behind me in the 50mph zone and I wondered if he would deliberately try to cut in front of me.  I deliberately moved in to the outside lane of two to prevent that possibility and continued alongside another car going at the legal limit of 50mph. He started giving me the usual signs to which I now responded with a shrug of "What's the problem?"
Yes, I know, igniting the flames. He however got out his mobile phone and started to film me. Why I don't know as if he sent it to the police it's an endorsable offence using a phone whilst driving.
I hope he does!!
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on August 23, 2017, 09:30:58 AM
Trouble with cities is you can never be sure exactly who you've upset, until they stop you and approach with a baseball bat.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: TheMedz on August 28, 2017, 08:24:17 AM
Following on from yesterday's afternoon Trams and cars gridlock at Black Gate on the Orme it will be worth avoiding the junction today if at all possible.
The traffic light sequence seems to have changed giving priority to going across the junction rather than the usual priority given to those going up and down the Orme. The result is cars always having to wait on red coming up Ty Gwyn Road. Oh the sweet aroma of burning clutches.

I rang it in to the emergency roads number yesterday evening and they said they would try and get someone out this morning.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on August 28, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
A milk tanker overturned yesterday on a roundabout near Bangor. A number of local residents helped with the clean up in a couple of shakes. 
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Fester on August 28, 2017, 06:18:16 PM
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Following on from yesterday's afternoon Trams and cars gridlock at Black Gate on the Orme it will be worth avoiding the junction today if at all possible.
The traffic light sequence seems to have changed giving priority to going across the junction rather than the usual priority given to those going up and down the Orme. The result is cars always having to wait on red coming up Ty Gwyn Road. Oh the sweet aroma of burning clutches.

I rang it in to the emergency roads number yesterday evening and they said they would try and get someone out this morning.

Medz, I had to travel into town to meet customers about 4 times on Sunday, it was utter chaos at Black Gate every time.  Some idiotic drivers made it even worse.
I reckon the cost of my petrol, plus the crazy amount of time it took to get up and down yesterday left me out of pocket.  It was madness.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DaveR on August 29, 2017, 09:37:55 AM
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Following on from yesterday's afternoon Trams and cars gridlock at Black Gate on the Orme it will be worth avoiding the junction today if at all possible.
The traffic light sequence seems to have changed giving priority to going across the junction rather than the usual priority given to those going up and down the Orme. The result is cars always having to wait on red coming up Ty Gwyn Road. Oh the sweet aroma of burning clutches.

I rang it in to the emergency roads number yesterday evening and they said they would try and get someone out this morning.

Medz, I had to travel into town to meet customers about 4 times on Sunday, it was utter chaos at Black Gate every time.  Some idiotic drivers made it even worse.
I reckon the cost of my petrol, plus the crazy amount of time it took to get up and down yesterday left me out of pocket.  It was madness.
If you insist on living on some windswept headland, you only have yourself to blame...  :P
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on September 18, 2017, 08:56:50 AM
More bad parking in N Wales


https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzE4NzA0ODMzNzcmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9aFRXU0w1MDFVU1hTUThXejlud2dJQSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=31870483377&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=26e6fb6f63014b3683ba81765aeae62a
Title: Re: Roads NEW BRIDGE TOLLS
Post by: SteveH on October 13, 2017, 03:44:50 PM
Liverpool airport passengers from North Wales face bridge toll charge from tomorrow
Drivers will have to pay to cross the new Mersey Gateway and the existing Silver Jubilee Bridge when it reopens.

Car drivers will face a £2 toll to cross the bridge over the River Mersey, with a £6 charge for mini buses and small vans and £8 for large trucks.
Tolls will be enforced immediately with dedicated cameras and sensors reading vehicle number plates and special stickers to charge drivers.
There will be no toll booths – instead merseyflow will use automatic number plate reading technology.

Motorists have until midnight the day after your crossing to pay or will face a penalty charge.

Details.....http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/liverpool-airport-passengers-north-wales-13758273 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/liverpool-airport-passengers-north-wales-13758273)

Title: Re: Roads NEW BRIDGE TOLLS
Post by: Dave on October 13, 2017, 04:51:58 PM
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Liverpool airport passengers from North Wales face bridge toll charge from tomorrow
Drivers will have to pay to cross the new Mersey Gateway and the existing Silver Jubilee Bridge when it reopens.

Car drivers will face a £2 toll to cross the bridge over the River Mersey, with a £6 charge for mini buses and small vans and £8 for large trucks.
Tolls will be enforced immediately with dedicated cameras and sensors reading vehicle number plates and special stickers to charge drivers.
There will be no toll booths – instead merseyflow will use automatic number plate reading technology.

Motorists have until midnight the day after your crossing to pay or will face a penalty charge.

Details.....http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/liverpool-airport-passengers-north-wales-13758273 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/liverpool-airport-passengers-north-wales-13758273)

I have just been reading that article and I find it annoying that they treat people in such a way. The old bridge has been free forever as far as I'm aware but of course they are shutting that now for repair work which will take forever no doubt.
If you are heading to the airport for a holiday the last thing you need is extra hassle  trying to pay toll fees online or by phone. Another reason to choose Manchester airport!
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 13, 2017, 05:07:32 PM
My thoughts exactly .....

If you cannot see the link search merseyflow

https://www.merseyflow.co.uk/ (https://www.merseyflow.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: norman08 on October 13, 2017, 05:37:07 PM
Stupid if your using Liverpool airport or Manchester airport your going on holiday ,so with the hassle in airport you forget to go online to pay come back after a nice break to a penalty notice 😡
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: mull on October 13, 2017, 06:04:55 PM
Has this come out of the blue or was it expected ?
You want to get advice from Isle of Skye. They kicked off about the bridge tolls so much they were eventually withdrawn, along with all other bridge tolls in Scotland.
All part of the national road system so should be paid for through road tax.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 13, 2017, 06:07:29 PM
It may be possible to pay in advance, but the info. is not clear without entering more details.

Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on October 13, 2017, 06:20:06 PM
Should tolls be scrapped? If they were I guess they still have to paid for by someone so it's as good a way as any to put the cost on those who use them most I suppose.
It's a bit of a subtle difference though when a free passage suddenly becomes one you pay for. No doubt travelling costs came in to the equation for many people who chose to live where they do and  I wouldn't be happy if I lived in Frodsham or similar and commuted daily as you have just been hit with another payout of £18pw (with discount) or £20 without.That does seem unfair but no doubt the socialist council that runs things on Merseyside probably believe all those who live beyond Runcorn can afford to pay.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: snowcap on October 13, 2017, 09:26:24 PM
i've got my sticker for my window at the cost of £30 +£5 admin. charge and the kind people will Knock off £1.80 each time i use it, hows that for a big saving, they will even let me know when my money is running out so that i can top it up. Now how is that for service.( no fines for this lad ) It is now Known as the Turpin bridge (as in Dick Turpin)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DVT on October 13, 2017, 10:36:19 PM
I will need to use one of those bridges just 4 times a year, as I need to go from from Liverpool to Knutsford on a Monday evening once every three months.  How will I be informed on how to pay (I know the website is given above but will I still be able to find that in a few months time) ... presumably there is a sign so are they expecting me to write down the details as I drive through?  Might have to go via M62 and M6 instead.

Went over the old bridge and passed them road works for the new one a couple of months ago and the new roads were not on my Sat Nav despite the car only being a week old at the time, so got quite confused as to where I was going!
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on October 14, 2017, 08:36:29 AM
It's absurd when you consider that now the only way to get into Liverpool from the South is to pay. The Transport minister was saying the tolls would be scrapped once the bridge was paid for but we all know that won't happen, because the Mersey tunnels are being tolled, despite having been paid off years ago.  And it's very odd that there aren't that many London bridges being tolled...
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on October 14, 2017, 09:28:09 AM
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i've got my sticker for my window at the cost of £30 +£5 admin. charge and the kind people will Knock off £1.80 each time i use it, hows that for a big saving, they will even let me know when my money is running out so that i can top it up. Now how is that for service.( no fines for this lad ) It is now Known as the Turpin bridge (as in Dick Turpin)

Charging an admin fee on top of paying in advance is scandalous, that's taking the XXXX     $angry$
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 14, 2017, 01:26:25 PM
The roundabout in Dolgellau costing £800,000K to build has now had to be redone

Nothing new though because they have been talking about removing the roundabout at Llanfairfechan for ages.   I used to go past it every day when I was working but when I retired from work I didn't go that way very often.
One day though, I went past and the roundabout was being removed and the next time I went past it had gone completely.
A few months later when I went past again they had rebuilt the roundabout.

Now they want it removing    &shake&

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Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
The Afon Conwy car park was quite empty when I parked there this morning but it didn't excuse the parking of the car next to mine.
It had parked over one of the lines without any thought to others.    Is it an inability to park properly or just an arrogant couldn't care less attitude?
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 02:11:34 PM
Bit of both, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 02:14:46 PM
They were my thoughts too Ian.     I wonder if it'll make the Daily Post list of bad parkers for October?
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: spotty dog on October 16, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
We are assuming there wasn't a motorbike parked before you arrived
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 03:36:00 PM
Do you mean on both  sides of this bad parker?       &shake&
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on October 16, 2017, 06:43:25 PM
All those leaves over the lines in the dark is my take on it and then we have had a bit of wind since........ that blew them away against the fence ;D.......unless my learned friend can prove otherwise?
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: snowcap on October 16, 2017, 10:31:48 PM
a friend of my wife parks like that regular to stop her car getting scratched by folk opening their doors and marking her car again. She has paid out over £300 in the last two years to repair the same. I don't agree with it but she will still keep on doing it
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 10:35:07 PM
That would be no excuse in the eyes of the law, but unenforceable in the Afon Conwy.     Any responsible motorist would have checked that they had parked correctly before going into the building anyway.
One thing that I'll give them credit for though is that their road tax and MOT are up to date
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 18, 2017, 02:40:58 PM
Multi vehicle pile up on the A55 in Mochdre causes delays


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-41665146 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-41665146)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 18, 2017, 02:50:16 PM
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a friend of my wife parks like that regular to stop her car getting scratched by folk opening their doors and marking her car again. She has paid out over £300 in the last two years to repair the same. I don't agree with it but she will still keep on doing it

I can understand why your wife's friend is doing that, after experiencing one incident myself in Morrison's car park.  The damage caused by the woman driver to my car was estimated at between £300.00 and £500.00.   The woman then drove off without leaving her details.
That's not an excuse for selfish parking though, just imagine if everyone took two parking spaces.   The car parks would soon be full up.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
It's interesting, not least because UK parking spaces are far too narrow.  I suppose if we follow your logic, Hugo, then in a capitalist society it would be up to the businesses concerned to make provision for extra car parking.  Perhaps if everyone took one and a half spaces and trade correspondingly declined then the businesses might react and start making larger spaces. And damage in car parks happens a great deal.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 18, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
I'm not suggesting that we do take up two car spaces when we park Ian.  Car parks have allocated spaces for parking and that is why they have lines so that you can park between them.

The answer is simple, if you can't park properly or you are afraid of getting your car damaged then park elsewhere.     

I do agree with you though, that the allocated parking spaces are far too narrow and I've quoted Morrison's as a fine example of that.   In addition to the narrow spaces between the lines you are also faced with all those concrete supporting columns that they have on the bottom level.

Shops would be reluctant to make the spaces wider as they only have a limited allocation of space for parking and therefore they would have less customers.   Less customers means less profits for them so we should just be more careful when parking and getting in and out of the cars too
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2017, 04:38:08 PM
Yes, I know, but my argument is on the lines that if their custom starts to drop off, perhaps it might prove an incentive to change the parking situation for the better.  It's not that hard to do, curiously;  I would reckon they could all afford to lose one space at the end of each line and widen the remaining spaces commensurately. After all, they did it for the mother and child spaces.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: llewelyn on October 19, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
If the doors on your car are quite wide,  and you are a little rotund, you get back to your car and find you cannot open the door wide enough to get in, and my days of climbing in from the passenger side  are over.  :(
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 22, 2017, 04:14:35 PM
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If the doors on your car are quite wide,  and you are a little rotund, you get back to your car and find you cannot open the door wide enough to get in, and my days of climbing in from the passenger side  are over.  :(


No problem of getting back into the car here and fair play she has parked between the lines, but does she have to buy one ticket or two?   ???
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: spotty dog on October 22, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
Fair play Hugo I'll give you that one, did you explain to her the error off her way  .
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 22, 2017, 05:19:29 PM
I'm too much of a gentleman to do that so I left it to the Parking Warden.     ;D
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on October 22, 2017, 06:24:28 PM
Another example of a half empty car park though Hugo. It shouldn't happen but it probably hasn't deprived anyone of a parking space.
If you really want to make a play for the warden's job take a look at some of the dangerous parking that's around. Start with Dunphy's Corner in Craig-y-Don where you can almost guarantee someone is parked on double yellow lines obscuring the view for any cars trying to cross the road there.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 22, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
Dave,  it doesn't matter whether the car park was half empty or not.    All the others parked properly so why couldn't that woman park properly?
Laziness is not an excuse and I'm sure that she would have been the first to complain if a traffic warden issued her with a ticket.

You're right about the dangerous parking though and that should be stopped.   If the Traffic Wardens don't operate in Craig Y Don then they should start doing so.   Have a word with them if you see them there.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on October 22, 2017, 08:00:17 PM
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Dave,  it doesn't matter whether the car park was half empty or not.    All the others parked properly so why couldn't that woman park properly?
Laziness is not an excuse and I'm sure that she would have been the first to complain if a traffic warden issued her with a ticket.

You're right about the dangerous parking though and that should be stopped.   If the Traffic Wardens don't operate in Craig Y Don then they should start doing so.   Have a word with them if you see them there.

There are CCTV cameras overlooking those crossroads but I have doubts as too whether they actually record anything. You do see traffic wardens but once in a Blue Moon, it's free parking in C-Y-D so less chance of finding someone overstaying or not having a ticket.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 22, 2017, 10:20:08 PM
It seems to be a money making racket then Dave as Craig Y Don residents pay rates just like those in Llandudno so they should be entitled to the same services.
If it's an ongoing problem then there must be someone who can be approached to sort it out.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on October 23, 2017, 08:01:25 AM
In the case of the Range Rover, I suspect one problem is that most people can't reverse into spaces, so she probably drove in forwards. You can enjoy hours of free entertainment in any car park and on any street watching drivers attempting to reverse. It's almost tragic in its scale, but the obvious  question is why don't they ever practice? 

I suspect that's one of the major issues around driving;  people pass their test - some rather a long time ago - and then never, ever practice any manoeuvres for the remainder of their life.  Good driving takes experience, practice and concentration. Every drive is a test, in a sense, but too many drivers don't view it like that. We;ve given up counting the numbers we see texting, turning to speak to a passenger, using their hands during a conversation to make a point, drinking, eating and lighting a cigarette - all while driving at high speeds, in some cases.

On another forum an otherwise very bright individual has started a topic asking who has priority at roundabouts. He's been driving since he was 17, and he's 55, now, so I was rather taken aback. Dealing with the question, however, did throw up some interesting points about roundabouts in general and mini roundabouts in particular. It's not helped by the Road Markings Manual - a massive, 150 page pdf which details exactly how and what types of give way lines ar used at roundabouts.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 23, 2017, 09:13:13 AM
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In the case of the Range Rover, I suspect one problem is that most people can't reverse into spaces, so she probably drove in forwards. You can enjoy hours of free entertainment in any car park and on any street watching drivers attempting to reverse. It's almost tragic in its scale, but the obvious  question is why don't they ever practice? 


You are spot on Ian.   The other day I was driving along a single track winding rural lane when I met another car coming the other way.   As I was driving, I had noted a passing place behind me about 100 yards away around a bend in the lane but saw that there was a wide passing place just two car lengths behind the female driver so I beckoned her to reverse to it.
What a farce, she went backwards then forwards about a dozen times before she made the ten yards to the wide passing point and even then parked in the middle of the road so there was no room for me to pass.
Logic doesn't even seem to come into it either and I had to tell her to go forward into a driveway so that I could get past.      :rage:
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: llewelyn on October 23, 2017, 03:15:44 PM
We see this reversing problem on Conwy High Street every day, traffic backs up all around the town whist some idiot takes dozens of attempts reverse and park between two parked cars, I have called and suggested they should GIVE UP AND DRIVE ON ! to the carpark would be a better idea.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: rhuddlan on October 23, 2017, 05:02:52 PM
   I was driving down the Conwy Valley near Tyn y Groes this morning. The sun was shining towards us and at the top of a brow there were two cyclists riding side by side directly in front of me. The one near the centre of the road was on wearing a dark lycra? outfit. I did see them in good time fortunately but thought I would check on the current rules and it seems they are allowed to ride side by side where it is safe. I would strongly suggest they wear something bright even in the daytime . Just in case I have cut and pasted the guidance below,.
   Personally if I was on a bike (most unlikely I know) given the amount of traffic, even on quiet roads I should stay as close to the kerb as possible.
   I'm always extremely cautious when their are cyclists, horses,children etc on the road, but sometimes I think some Cyclists do take risks that I wouldn't. They seemed to be too busy talking too each other and unaware of what could happen.

However, Rule 66 of the Highway Code says you should never ride more than two abreast. It also says you should ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends. Cyclists need to factor in the road conditions and should go into single file when necessary.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: cygnusx-1 on October 24, 2017, 08:27:58 AM
At 07:55 at the recent hole in the wall below Premier Inn Criagside, a white Fiat 500 the wrong way round facing up the hill with front end damage. Police in attendance. Damp on the road but another car in the same place in a short space of time.....any thoughts?
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DVT on October 24, 2017, 09:18:14 AM
Last Saturday (21st) just before mid-day a Renault Clio hit the telegraph pole near the hole in the wall, brought down the telephone wire.  My son works in the Brewers Fayre and told me that was the fourth in about a week!  The FIAT makes it (at least) five so it does suggest an issue with the  the road.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2017, 10:27:12 AM
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It seems to be a money making racket then Dave as Craig Y Don residents pay rates just like those in Llandudno so they should be entitled to the same services.
If it's an ongoing problem then there must be someone who can be approached to sort it out.

Maybe someone reads this forum that can influence decision making! The parking warden was out and about C-Y-D around 10.am and booked one car parked on the zig zags before the Pelican Crossing, however, the one on the other side got let off as it had a Blue Badge displayed.  Both cars obscure a clear vision of the crossing for oncoming  drivers and to me it seems wrong that a Blue Badge allows parking in dangerous places.
Mind you if he had arrived at 9.25 he would have found three large vans all parked in even worse place on the double yellows making exiting Queens Rd particularly difficult as you had to drive on the wrong side of the road at the junction then had your vision to the right totally obscured too.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Bosun on October 24, 2017, 11:27:45 AM


A Blue Badge DOES NOT allow parking in dangerous places, https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/rights-and-responsibilities-blue-badge-holders (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/rights-and-responsibilities-blue-badge-holders)

It is an abuse of the Blue Badge system to do so and the Blue Badge can facility can be rescinded if abused, however, the issuing authorities are highly reluctant to revoke them, even for repeated reported abuse. In this case, a fixed penalty notice should have been issued to BOTH vehicles.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 24, 2017, 12:30:39 PM
According to the NWWN last week, signs are there warning of an adverse camber on the road so there must be some problem there.
There is also a speed limit on that stretch too so I find it hard to understand how someone can cross a lane, mount the kerb and then stop when they have hit the wall.   I would have thought that if someone did the emergency stop procedure then the collision with the wall could have been avoided.
Personally,  I've driven down the road thousands of times and never realised that there was a problem with that section of the road until damage to the wall started to happen
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2017, 01:55:49 PM
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According to the NWWN last week, signs are there warning of an adverse camber on the road so there must be some problem there.
There is also a speed limit on that stretch too so I find it hard to understand how someone can cross a lane, mount the kerb and then stop when they have hit the wall.   I would have thought that if someone did the emergency stop procedure then the collision with the wall could have been avoided.
Personally,  I've driven down the road thousands of times and never realised that there was a problem with that section of the road until damage to the wall started to happen

You, me and tens of thousands of others too Hugo.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 24, 2017, 01:57:37 PM
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Last Saturday (21st) just before mid-day a Renault Clio hit the telegraph pole near the hole in the wall, brought down the telephone wire.  My son works in the Brewers Fayre and told me that was the fourth in about a week!  The FIAT makes it (at least) five so it does suggest an issue with the  the road.

The Craigside Inn has two entrance/exits.

It is not unusual for a motorist turning right and entering the second entrance when travelling from Llandudno.

If this happens when another motorist is wanting to exit the car park using the designated exit then that car will pass immediately in front of the car now entering the car park.

Should there be a second car travelling from Llandudno and following the other motorist then the second car will now be stuck out in the main road and in the path of cars travelling too fast downhill.

Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 24, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
The turning to the Premier Inn can be quite tricky at times, especially in holiday traffic as locals will know.    However there is a 40 mph speed limit there and double white lines so any car following the one turning should not cross those lines so they wouldn't be a danger to oncoming traffic.

I've not even seen skid marks by the hole in the wall so did that motorist apply their brakes before going across the road, mounting the kerb and hitting the wall?

I do feel sorry for the person whose wall has often been damaged by motorists and trust that she has been compensated by the offending car's insurance cover.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Neil on October 24, 2017, 03:27:01 PM
I don't believe there is anything wrong with the road, the answer is obvious, an apparition of a giant fire breathing red dragon appears at this point in the road and causes the crashes  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: squigglev2 on October 24, 2017, 04:04:51 PM
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The turning to the Premier Inn can be quite tricky at times, especially in holiday traffic as locals will know.    However there is a 40 mph speed limit there and double white lines so any car following the one turning should not cross those lines so they wouldn't be a danger to oncoming traffic.

I've not even seen skid marks by the hole in the wall so did that motorist apply their brakes before going across the road, mounting the kerb and hitting the wall?

I do feel sorry for the person whose wall has often been damaged by motorists and trust that she has been compensated by the offending car's insurance cover.
Maybe people still get things wrong tough Hugo. I can’t get beyond a rough location for the Craigside manor, at least not enough to picture the junctions and am out of your area a long while.  Still however I look at things, it’s pretty much a given that the will be a bump or two per year on a road junction near me where the A149 and A140 join, I’d guess largely as a result of the sweeping bend from N Walsham (trying to describe, not expecting you to know where I am).A little further up the road, cars can leave and hit a property.

Rumour has it that the late major  G offered to sell a corner of his land to improve road safety but it wasn’t taken up on.

I know one can argue speed, etc. and argue that oneself is the safest driver in the world (I was even the latter on two wheels – but stupid at times and never took my test (on that or with a car) but you at least learn that every car driver is potentially out to get you)…but I’d think now that we always need to consider a few aspects.

One of these should surely be whether or not better signposting or improvements to a road or layout itself might reduce accidents?
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DVT on October 24, 2017, 04:23:13 PM
The entrance/exits at the Brewers Fayre are a bit narrow for two cars to pass ... everyone I have seen enters the venue via the entrance/exit closest to Colwyn Bay and exit via the entrance/exit closest to Llandudno.  In other words, treat the tree/island as a roundabout.

Seems more obvious when you are leaving the venue.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on October 24, 2017, 10:48:36 PM
Mrs H told me about the crash on the A55 this afternoon when the eastbound carriageway was blocked at Abergele and there were tailbacks past Llanddulas.
Luckily she was travelling in the westbound carriageway.    The road was cleared after about 90 minutes



http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/drivers-caught-7-mile-queues-13807101 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/drivers-caught-7-mile-queues-13807101)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on October 25, 2017, 08:26:05 AM
It's becoming depressingly familiar, that situation.  And there's that use of 'span' again.
Quote
The road was shut for around 90 minutes after the car smashed into the central reservation and span around in the middle of the road.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: hollins on November 06, 2017, 06:54:24 AM
First time over the Turpin Bridge(Mersey Gateway). What an amazing structure. We just paid our£4 for 2 trips online before we went. Much easier trip now to the airport.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on November 11, 2017, 10:52:30 AM
Modern technology or old fashioned highway robbery.


Mersey toll bridge anger by Liverpool Airport travellers hit by fines
Drivers from North Wales have been slapped with bills after failing to pay online charge.

Article and 26 comments..... http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/mersey-toll-bridge-anger-liverpool-13887755 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/mersey-toll-bridge-anger-liverpool-13887755)


This link mentioned in one of the comments..
More than two million fines were handed out in 2016 for using the Dartford Crossing and failing to pay, according to figures from Highways England.

Figures released earlier in the year show the total income for use of the crossing from 1 April 2015 to 31 March 2016 was £161.6million, an increase of £61.8million compared with the previous year.
Nearly one third of this - £53.1million – was raised from enforcement action, which Highways England said helped drive the increase in revenues.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-4695986/I-face-200-fine-failure-pay-Dartford-Crossing.html (http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-4695986/I-face-200-fine-failure-pay-Dartford-Crossing.html)


Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DVT on November 11, 2017, 01:41:11 PM
Seems that you are expected to slow down or stop at the sign and make a note of how to pay ... I will probably be going over that bridge on Monday evening so will see how easy that is ... although I have looked on the website and know how to pay.

But if it was my wife on her own what would she do ... she does not do online banking, does not have a phone that connects to the web and does not use a computer ... and I'm sure she's not the only person like that.

The time allowed before the fines are sent out is far too short as well.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on November 11, 2017, 03:05:43 PM
I wonder if one way to make the point is for every motorist to slow down sufficiently to read the signs. If that means stopping mid-lane, then so be it. It would certainly be interesting to see how they'd deal with the resulting queues.  Perhaps we should all try it on Monday next at 0830...
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: TheMedz on November 11, 2017, 05:52:27 PM
I know this will possibly not get agreement with a high percentage of people on the forum opinions but personally I think the new bridge is excellent to use. I travel over it probably 2 to 4 times a week to get to a location very near the airport. The new bridge may cost me £1.80 a crossing but saves me around 20 to 30 minutes each way. Even if people were to slow down or stop to look at the signage and get the phone number or website info they need to pay on it would still be quicker than going the old route.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DVT on November 11, 2017, 07:28:44 PM
I think the issues about the new bridge are (a) the old one was free, (b) not everyone has the facility to be able to make the payment online and (c) the short timescale in which you must pay to avoid additional charges.

It does seem that it is not possible to note the method of payment if you are new to the area and unaware of what is required.

I mkight find out on Monday evening if I choose to go that way - from Liverpool to Knutsford, according to Google Maps it is the same mileage and time as using the M62/M6 so dependent on whether or not the motorways are clear.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on November 11, 2017, 07:31:32 PM
M. I do not think anybody will knock the advantages of the new bridge or the charges?  Especially those who are aware of the rules, however it does appear that it will penalise the unwary, and as DVT says *The time allowed before the fines are sent out is far too short *  and the company running the toll, seem to expect an increased revinue from these fines, (mentioned above)  I recently crossed the bridge on a quiet Sunday morning as a passenger, with plenty of time to read the signs, even under these circumstances I missed the relevent information, so I do sympathise with those, in my opinion, who are being victimised.


Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on November 12, 2017, 07:49:03 AM
Has Speke Road been upgraded as part of the process?
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: TheMedz on November 12, 2017, 08:53:11 AM
Did you mean Speke Boulevard Ian? If so then no it hasn't been upgraded. It still  has as many potholes and ruts as ever on the side into town but was I think was resurfaced in parts going outwards towards the bridge.

With regard to sending out fines it would I think have been better had they been able to carry out a process of sending out warnings for the first non payment per car and details of how to pay and avoid fines thereafter.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on November 12, 2017, 09:08:35 AM
Thanks, ME. Yes - I suspected it might still be a tad ropey, but at least you can use the new link section from the Otterspool turn off to the docks and central Liverpool.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on November 12, 2017, 10:55:07 AM
What hundreds of furious Daily Post readers had to say about new Mersey toll bridge.

Almost 500 readers have commented on the issue, and most were critical of the Mersey Gatway.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/what-hundreds-furious-daily-post-13889786 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/what-hundreds-furious-daily-post-13889786)

One of the comments.....
Okay so they have a toll on the new bridge and have done away with the toll booths very similar to over here in California they did away with the toll booths crossing on the Golden Gate bridge, so now if you don't have a pass you have 48 hours to go on line and pay but and here is he big difference they will then mail you the bill in the mail I think you have 14 days to pay then it goes up so at least the motorist has a chance to pay if caught unaware and didn't know you have to go on line to pay, but to have only one full day and the part of the day you cross to pay is terrible why can't they give you 48 hours and then mail the bill and you have time to pay, what happens if you cross this bridge on your way out of the country and have no access to pay on line then I guess it is an automatic fine...

This is your typical revenue generator and the hopes you don't pay so they can fine the motorist once again the general public are the losers... 
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on November 13, 2017, 05:44:09 PM
1,712,934 vehicles crossing since the opening last month that still means around 50,000 drivers have been hit with fines.            (50,000 X  20 pounds not a bad profit so far)

spokesperson for Merseyflow said: "The new Mersey Gateway Bridge has been really popular. We’re approaching two million vehicles using the bridge in total and averaging over 70,000 vehicles every weekday, which is over and above what we expected.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/mersey-toll-bridge-operator-responds-13896540 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/mersey-toll-bridge-operator-responds-13896540)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on November 13, 2017, 07:37:16 PM
Anyone know what caused the long hold-ups on the Deganwy-Conwy road at around 1730 today? Lots of flashing blue lights.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on November 13, 2017, 07:40:44 PM
Liked the bit in your DP reports, Steve:

"A spokesperson for Merseyflow said: "The new Mersey Gateway Bridge has been really popular. We’re approaching two million vehicles using the bridge in total and averaging over 70,000 vehicles every weekday, which is over and above what we expected. "

Well, it's not as if they had anything to go on like - for instance - a previous bridge.  Oh, wait...

 Z@@
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 13, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
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Anyone know what caused the long hold-ups on the Deganwy-Conwy road at around 1730 today? Lots of flashing blue lights.

Could it be this Ian?

https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzI0OTM0MjgyNjImcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9UWhLQ1hPOFZxOWhyblNzb0M5azNvQSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=32493428262&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=cb587fb97665add7f6b1d261e781c3d6
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on November 14, 2017, 06:38:05 AM
That could be it, Hugo . Thanks.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 14, 2017, 12:03:28 PM
Multi vehicle pile up on the A55 eastbound lane at Llanddulas



https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzI1MDE1MTU5NjcmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9TTNhalYyRzN6SUdUXy1yeWJHQkEzQSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=32501515967&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=9c1ea3ea94e454c761c1ab6ad7cdc17b
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 15, 2017, 06:39:41 PM
I read an article in the Daily Mirror on Monday and it was headlined  1 in 4 cars have out of date MOT's.      I think that it must be caused by recent changes in the law relating to Road tax for vehicles.
When a car is sold the existing road tax stops and the car's new owner then has to road tax the vehicle from the time they purchased it.
Consequently there will be an overlap of time between the dates of expiry of the MOT and the road tax.

That's no excuse though for not having a MOT but with the abolition of road tax discs then something like this was inevitable.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DVT on November 15, 2017, 07:20:21 PM
I suspect one reason could be that you don't get a reminder that your MoT is about to expire.  This is something that perhaps the MoT stations could address by sending reminders and therefore getting the business.

Even though you no longer get a tax disc you do still get the reminder to cough up.  That would be the time that the system would flag up "No MoT" when the Post Office scans the form.  Not sure whether you get a reminder if you renew online.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 15, 2017, 08:12:55 PM
By coincidence, I only signed up for MOT reminders yesterday.

https://www.gov.uk/mot-reminder (https://www.gov.uk/mot-reminder)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 15, 2017, 10:30:45 PM
The system still flags up MOT's and Road tax that have expired.     With road tax that has expired the DVLA will issue another reminder for the road tax and if the default continues then they say that they will then issue a notice for the car to be clamped.     Unfortunately they do no always do what they say they will do.

The DVLA has no power to deal with expired MOT'S,  that is a Police matter and the Police don't appear to be in a rush to do anything about expired MOT's either
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 17, 2017, 08:56:23 AM
Number of untaxed vehicles in UK trebles after tax disc abolition,   I've noticed one local vehicle with no tax or Mot and the mileage has been clocked too so they have got a hat trick
Will the Police catch up with the driver?      &shake& 



https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiY166InsXXAhUB5xoKHfrBDOYQqOcBCCYwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmoney%2F2017%2Fnov%2F16%2Funtaxed-vehicles-uk-trebles-tax-disc-abolition-vehicle-excise-duty-dvla&usg=AOvVaw2rjI3S_U6R8PXlKYyWklo5 (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiY166InsXXAhUB5xoKHfrBDOYQqOcBCCYwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmoney%2F2017%2Fnov%2F16%2Funtaxed-vehicles-uk-trebles-tax-disc-abolition-vehicle-excise-duty-dvla&usg=AOvVaw2rjI3S_U6R8PXlKYyWklo5)





Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 17, 2017, 05:29:37 PM
It was obvious  to everyone except the government that that would happen,  such a daft idea to change things!
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 18, 2017, 08:54:20 AM
According to the Daily Mirror yesterday it was said that the switch from the Tax Disc to paperless would save £7 Million.  What has happened since paper tax discs were abolished is that the estimate of unpaid car tax has risen from £32 million to £97 million this year

If anyone in business did something similar they would have gone bankrupt years ago.      The Police and DVLA need to get their act together and sort out this problem together and it doesn't take rocket science to do it.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on November 18, 2017, 12:29:10 PM
Where you're most likely to get a parking ticket in North Wales revealed
.
Five penalty hotspots revealed to have contributed to raking in upwards of £300,000 in just three months.
The highest number of fines in Conwy are dished out on Mostyn Street in Llandudno.

According to the information, at least £317,382 has been raked in by North Wales Councils over the last three months, with a total of 12,774 tickets dished out.

The highest number of tickets handed out was in Conwy, where the council issued 6,770 notices and brought in £166,322.  Ref DP
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on November 21, 2017, 12:34:54 PM
Driver wins appeal over Mersey toll bridge fine...and this is how he did it.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/driver-wins-appeal-over-mersey-13931137 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/driver-wins-appeal-over-mersey-13931137)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 23, 2017, 08:22:27 AM
Travel disruption caused by flooding in North Wales

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-42092007 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-42092007)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on November 25, 2017, 11:38:33 AM
A55 like an ice rink with black ice causing multiple pile ups in Flintshire


https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzI2MTg5ODMzOTkmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9VTRVbllIRXdYWWQ4cTl3QjhYMVlLQSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=32618983399&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=9f5312b510442e5ab36b26f6a15902f3
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 08, 2017, 10:30:06 AM
It has been hailing and snowing this morning in Colwyn Heights and the forecast for the afternoon is for heavy snow.  Mrs H has come safely back from shopping in the Bay but I can't get the car up the drive as it is sliding all over the place so I've left it in the road



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42269170 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42269170)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: norman08 on December 08, 2017, 11:24:14 AM
See when we had coal fires we could throw the cinders on the pathways always did the job ,showing our age now 😂
Title: Re: Roads out of area.
Post by: SteveH on December 08, 2017, 01:11:20 PM
 :o    :o     :o

Near Trefnant.....ref DP
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 08, 2017, 06:24:17 PM
Snow causes problems on the N Wales roads



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42269170 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42269170)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 09, 2017, 05:05:33 PM
Snow causing problems again on the A55 by Caerwys


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/heavy-snow-causes-long-queues-14016004 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/heavy-snow-causes-long-queues-14016004)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 13, 2017, 10:38:19 PM
Colwyn Road by the Premier Inn in Craigside is closed




https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzI3NzQxODg1NTQmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9UFdTUmxPRDh5bWY1TGNTSTdsUkI3ZyZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=32774188554&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=726ab7bec0cb921de7bcc64d371486dd
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 14, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
I travelled from Colwyn Bay to Llandudno earlier today and traffic is being diverted down Bryn Y Bia Road and where Bryn Y Bia Road joins Colwyn Road the was a workman waving traffic on so that there was no build up of traffic at the stop sign.
I'm sure that trade at the Craigside Premier Inn will be affected by the closure of the road so I hope that the road can be reopened asap
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DVT on December 14, 2017, 02:59:46 PM
Note that you can get to the Brewers Fayre from the Llandudno side (ignore the Road Closed sign) - Council have been asked to erect a sign saying Business As Usual - my son works there and tells me the upper car park will be closed due to the proximity of rubble when they take down the rocks, but they are open for business.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Bellringer on December 15, 2017, 09:42:57 AM
I traveled last evening and the road was open, so the matter must have been resolved.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 20, 2017, 10:35:48 PM
Abergele Road in Old Colwyn closed after serious crash



https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzI4MzA0MjU4MTImcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9RjJldmZOZ2RTQ0gybzhnUF9vOV9PQSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=32830425812&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=e7bef716bf36c95c7b5b23f4ed099ae7
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2017, 08:45:40 AM
Two people killed in the road crash last night


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-42437368 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-42437368)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on January 15, 2018, 05:52:30 PM
More delays.......

Plans to remove roundabouts on the A55 could be hit by a delay after it emerged collapsed firm Carillion was carrying out the design contract on the multi-million pound project.

The Welsh Government awarded the design element of the scheme at Penmaenmawr and Llanfairfechan to Carillion last year.
But today the company - which employs 20,000 workers across Britain - went into compulsory liquidation.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-roundabouts-carillion-penmaenmawr-llanfairfechan-14158838 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/a55-roundabouts-carillion-penmaenmawr-llanfairfechan-14158838)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on January 17, 2018, 12:29:11 PM
Must  watch.......


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dashcam-captures-moment-lorry-driver-14166199 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dashcam-captures-moment-lorry-driver-14166199)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on January 17, 2018, 12:57:30 PM
Excellent example of the governemnt's stupidity in cutting road traffic police. Not one police vehicle in the entire escapade.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2018, 08:28:32 PM
I'm not sure that the number of traffic police would have made a difference Ian. If he only drove a mile he was off the road in a few minutes...provided he didn't hit anything.
Many years ago I spotted a car driving towards Llanddulas having come up the slip road on the wrong side at Pensarn. I drove alongside on the opposite carriageway  blaring my horn but to no avail. I pulled over and dialled 999 for the police and reported him.
I later discovered a friend of my wife's husband had had to swerve to avoid him and badly damaged his van but at least wasn't injured. He told us that the police never did catch the offender.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on January 25, 2018, 11:09:14 AM
Almost 400 drivers have been caught speeding in just one week through roadworks with a 40mph limit on the A55 .
Work to install a noise barrier to tackle the sound of traffic has begun at Sea Road Bridge near Abergele , and a temporary speed limit has been put in place.

Go Safe Cymru says average speed cameras have captured 380 vehicles breaking the limit since work started on January 15.

The average speed cameras are live and by Tuesday had captured 380 vehicles exceeding the speed limit.

“These have now been processed by Go Safe. Please keep to the speed limit and keep the workforce safe.”
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/hundreds-drivers-snapped-just-week-14198688 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/hundreds-drivers-snapped-just-week-14198688)
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 25, 2018, 02:20:25 PM
 :-}}}      I wish that I had seen this earlier
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SteveH on January 25, 2018, 02:26:05 PM
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:-}}}      I wish that I had seen this earlier

Ouch,  how much  ?
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on January 25, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
I'll have to wait and see but to be fair most of the drivers were doing below 40 mph,  just one or two being silly    :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2018, 03:51:34 PM

portable cabin blown off lorry on A55 as winds up to 60mph batter North Wales


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Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
Guilty M'lud. 48mph.
I'm all in favour of protecting the workforce and always slow down in roadworks when there is work going on, however, at 1.48am on a Sunday morning they were all tucked up in bed and that's where I wanted to be too. Hardly a soul out on the roads at that time of night.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: mull on February 14, 2018, 09:11:30 PM
How do you know there is no work going on.
If there is a speed limit shown it is there for a reason . How do you know workers are not in the area.

I have a son working on motorway maintenance who recently had an idiot driving a Porche try to race a lorry into a single lane on the M12 failed to make it and ended up in the middle of a work site at 0230 in the morning. Luckily everyone managed to jump clear before anyone was hit. He probably thought who will be working at this time of day.

Who are you to decide whether a speed limit needs to be observed. The crew working on the road need to be safe in the workplace.
Don't forget these workers have families.

RANT OVER.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DVT on February 14, 2018, 09:36:58 PM
Having worked out how the speed limiter works on my car I have been going through the Abergele roadworks with it set at 40 ... awful to drive as it won't accelarate and the car keeps braking as soon as you get to 40 ... which is what it's supposed to do, but horrible to experience.

On Monday I was coming through at about 11pm ... an Irish registered artic that I had passed a mile or so before was trying to climb into my boot  flashing his headlights - I could not accelarate and actually thought he was going to push me.  He did eventually pull over, managed it without removing the rear corner of my car and then accelarated and must have been doing 50+ as he passed where the workers were actually doing something.

I wonder if he will get done or will he get away with it as it was not on a UK registration.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2018, 10:59:58 PM
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How do you know there is no work going on.
If there is a speed limit shown it is there for a reason . How do you know workers are not in the area.

I have a son working on motorway maintenance who recently had an idiot driving a Porche try to race a lorry into a single lane on the M12 failed to make it and ended up in the middle of a work site at 0230 in the morning. Luckily everyone managed to jump clear before anyone was hit. He probably thought who will be working at this time of day.

Who are you to decide whether a speed limit needs to be observed. The crew working on the road need to be safe in the workplace.
Don't forget these workers have families.

RANT OVER.
You are right of course I have no right to decide but with no other traffic on the road and headlights on full beam I had total vision for a long way ahead and around me and could see that there wasn't anyone working on that stretch so I wasn't posing more of a threat, in fact less of a threat , than a car legally driving down the Craigside section of the prom at 40mph in the middle of summer with cars parked on either side of the road too.
Just make sure you don't break the 20MPH limit outside schools which is very easily done late at night when everyone is tucked up in bed.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on February 15, 2018, 08:28:17 AM
As worrying as speeding through roadworks is, the number of drivers who seem to have no clue about signalling when on a roundabout seems at least as great, if not more, and they're equally capable of causing accidents.  Just stand at any non-mini roundabout in the area and watch. Most don't seem to have a clue. 
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on February 15, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
The truth is we all believe we are better drivers than we are.
I have an aversion to tailgaters, central lane hoggers, slow lane drivers who fail to anticipate traffic coming on to a dual carriage way and don't move over, traffic entering a dual carriageway down a slip road that imagine they have a right of way, drivers who think they have superior rights to the road than pedestrians, those who drive too fast in unsafe places ??? ???, lack of signalling, not knowing who has right of way etc,etc.
The list goes on and on.
Can I honestly say I have never put a foot wrong?
No, but neither can virtually anyone who has ever taken to the roads.
This will be my third speeding ticket in nearly 50 years of driving. Driving was a large part of my career and I have clocked up something around 1.5million miles. I count myself lucky that I have only been caught 3 times.
If there is anyone out there who hasn't broken the speed limit, never made a single error when driving then let me know and we'll see if we can get you sainthood.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Ian on February 15, 2018, 09:35:14 AM
Everyone makes mistakes at some point; whether it's a momentary lack of concentration, a distraction or simply choosing the wrong lane - we've all done it.  But I think good drivers are those who continue to think about what they're doing.

We've spotted drivers engaged in conversation who feel they must look at the passenger to make their point, drivers who apparently have never discovered their vehicle's indicators, drivers who are convinced the speed limits only apply to everyone else and, at the other end of the scale, drivers who believe anything faster than 30mph on a derestricted road is madness. The thing is we often don't notice the drivers who drive well; we only see those who blatantly ignore good road sense, or even worse, excuse people who make dangerous mistakes.

Our pet hates are tailgaters, idiot signallers and those who get themselves in the wrong lane then simply choose to turn the way they want to, anyway.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Quiggs on February 15, 2018, 05:44:30 PM
My pet hate is, mainly, Taxi drivers who stop on the oncoming traffic side to drop off passengers, with their headlights on, especially the new Halogen lights. Iff a passenger alights on the road side it’s almost impossible to see them
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Nemesis on February 15, 2018, 07:44:54 PM
Not just taxi drivers, but people who drop passengers off whilst blocking the whole road. $angry$
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Robbie G on February 15, 2018, 08:03:58 PM
Irish wagons do not get booked for speeding or at least they didn't in the past ,it was to much trouble to trace them or any other foreign registered wagon , it appears that the 50 mph limit through Colwyn Bay is totally ignored but I have never seen any speed checks On that stretch of road  , its only a matter of time before they have average speed cameras installed there all because people ignore the present speed limit 
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Dave on February 15, 2018, 08:14:22 PM
They have done speed checks on the Colwyn Bay A55 both with vans parked on the bridges and mobile patrol cars on the slip road.... and no, I haven't been caught there either.
I recently read somewhere that there are plans afoot to scrap the 50MPH limit and make it 70MPH.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: SDQ on February 16, 2018, 03:42:18 PM
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Irish wagons do not get booked for speeding or at least they didn't in the past ,it was to much trouble to trace them or any other foreign registered wagon , it appears that the 50 mph limit through Colwyn Bay is totally ignored but I have never seen any speed checks On that stretch of road  , its only a matter of time before they have average speed cameras installed there all because people ignore the present speed limit 


That 50mph stretch through Colwyn Bay used to be the most policed speed limit in the area which brought it to the attention of the national press and the infamous Top Gear segment where Clarkson christened Brunstrum the Mad Mullah of the North Wales Taliban! You would rarely drive through without seeing a patrol car on the slip road at West End or Old Colwyn waiting for their next victim. They backed off a bit after all the negative press but if you look at your rear view mirror when you pass through you still occasionally see a police car parked on the slip road.