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Title: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: DaveR on October 30, 2010, 10:42:46 AM
The first inklings of cutbacks in Conwy County are starting to surface. Naturally, there's no mention of cutting the legions of overpaid managers in Bodlondeb...

The last sentence is also hilarious.  Go, Team Conwy!!!  ;D

Conwy council details extent of £11m savings - with more to come

THE SCALE of looming cutbacks is today revealed in a snapshot by one council – as it considers hiking up even the price of ice cream to claw back cash

Huge savings being planned for Conwy include upping the cost of cremations and car parking, axing school lollipop patrols and rubbish collections and cutting school budgets by £3m.

The detail being gone into is so great, proposals even include increasing the cost of buying an ice cream at Venue Cymru, where a staff shake up may also be on the cards.

The pay and display zone for parking in Llandudno will be extended as parking charges in the county also rise, under proposals to be put to councillors on Monday.

A crackdown on fraud over single person council tax discounts aims to save £150,000 next year, with rises also proposed in allotment, and mooring charges.

Schools spending could be cut by £3.39m or 6%, while social services is in line for a £2.21m cut or 5%.

But that is just the half of it.

Savings set out so far in a report to be considered by councillors next week only reach £11m –  of the full £21m savings needed.

Finance officers warn that even the three waves of spending curbs already drawn up still fall £10m short of the savings target set in Conwy by 2013-14, with a Wave 4 still needed - which will involve “tough decisions”.

Councils across Wales are examining their budgets in the aftermath of the UK Government’s comprehensive spending review.

The Welsh Assembly Government will set out its spending plans next month, including the revenue support settlement for councils which accounts for almost 80% of local authority income.

Andrew Kirkham, acting corporate director and head of finance for Conwy, says in the report that the accumulated savings anticipated over the next three financial years is £21.89m or 12% of this year’s base budget.

Seeking approval by councillors for the ‘Wave 3’ of spending cuts proposed for the authority, he says they would reduce the budget shortfall to £10.06m.

“Heads of service and services generally have been asked to build on their work and develop even more options through a ‘wave 4’ exercise.

“It is the intention that this should bring in to the democratic consideration initiatives that go beyond ‘traditional thinking’, hence the next exercise is likely to produce areas of savings that will require ‘difficult decisions’ in addition to the more ‘acceptable’ savings.”

Officials were working hard to identify further savings to attempt to minimise the cuts and therefore the difficult decisions that will need to be taken during challenging times for the public sector generally and Conwy specifically, he said.

“Members will be acutely aware that the need to achieve significant savings comes at a time when many services are seeing the demand for services increasing, notably care for the elderly and children’s services.”

“Moreover Local Government will not enter this period of cuts from as well funded a starting point as the NHS, which has had far steeper rises in revenue funding in recent years,” he said.

Conwy council’s cabinet will consider the measure next week.

Mr Kirkham said: “What is becoming clear even now is that in addition to the anticipated cut to the Revenue Support Grant which currently represents 78% of our resource base, Local Government is also going to see reductions in specific grants that support local government services.

“We still have a long way to go to identify the level of savings that will close the anticipated financial gap, but it is fair to say that the ‘Team Conwy’ spirit has already produced a significant response to the financial challenges ahead.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/10/30/conwy-council-details-extent-of-11m-savings-with-more-to-come-55578-27569831/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/10/30/conwy-council-details-extent-of-11m-savings-with-more-to-come-55578-27569831/)
Title: Re: Cutbacks in Conwy County
Post by: DaveR on October 30, 2010, 11:32:18 AM
Whilst on the subject of cutbacks, I was reading Cllr Mike Priestley's blog, in which he mentioned sponsorship as a possible means of raising revenue for the Council. Given that the public are very keen to pay for things such as memorial benches for loved ones in public parks, I have taken the idea a stage further and put forward this idea to Cllr Priestley:

"You raise the issue of sponsorship - why is more use not made of this? I'm not just talking about businesses here, private individuals (maybe as a tribute to a loved one) could also particpate.

How about a section on the CCBC website, that list various areas in the County where work is required - could be the cost of planting out a flowerbed, planting of a tree, installing a new Shelter or even a general contribution towards a specific park.

Each item has a cost attached to do the work, and businesses/individuals can then contribute the cost of that work in return for being acknowledged as the benefactor, both on the CCBC website and via a small plaque at the site.

I honestly think its a great idea, so why don't we do it? This could be a fantastic source of income to offset the coming cuts."


Let's see what his reply is...  ;)

His blog: http://mikepriestley.blogspot.com/2010/10/rhs.html (http://mikepriestley.blogspot.com/2010/10/rhs.html)
Title: Re: Cutbacks in Conwy County
Post by: Fester on October 30, 2010, 07:18:25 PM
Extending and increasing parking charges is a real cop out.

It has nothing to do with cutting back costs, instead it is another disgraceful and greedy swipe at tourism.
The ability of The Three Towns to be credible and preferred shopping destinations is also compromised by this.
It is yet another TAX increase, when the tax burden is becoming unbearable...

I think an external and independant body (such as business consultants) should dictate what the cuts should be.
Thats the real world, and 'Team Conwy' would have sleepless nights during this process..and rightly so.
This would lead to a real clearout of 'dead-wood' middle and senior managers ....plus a sell off of many of the illogical property assets that the Council own.

So much can be done internally at CCBC, without resorting to extorting MORE money from US .... they are being dishonest.


 
Title: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on December 13, 2010, 10:00:18 PM
Well,  Its started!

The Coalition Government have announced that the core funding for councils will FALL by an average of 9.9% next year.... and by further amounts in the next three years  Until a total of 28% is reached.

The Labour Party have called it devastating.   I think its fantastic.

Because along with it, they have announced that the public will have THE RIGHT to buy businesses owned by the council.  That includes Shops, Pubs and Libraries.
Given that CCBC owns a great many such businesses, I can't wait to wrestle a few of them away from them.

Why does the council need to own pubs????

Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 13, 2010, 10:13:06 PM
It's a fair point. For example, CCBC own the Freehold of the Aberconwy Caravan Park on the Morfa in Conwy, which is valued at £1.7m - why not sell it? The Rhos Fynach pub in Rhos On Sea - why not sell it?

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/18413/response/50145/attach/html/2/FOI%20880%2009%20Non%20County%20Occupied%20Assets.xls.html (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/18413/response/50145/attach/html/2/FOI%20880%2009%20Non%20County%20Occupied%20Assets.xls.html)
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Bellringer on December 13, 2010, 10:17:54 PM
The CCBC owning pubs is a revelation to me, what other similar establishments does it own apart from Rhos Fynach in Rhos on Sea?
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on December 13, 2010, 11:43:27 PM
Also of great interest will be the numerous kiosks which the council own, and let out at peppercorn rents.

Assuming that each council will have a Finance Director who will be most keen to realise the best price for these 'businesses' ..then there should be a vast amount of cash on its way to the council in the coming years.

Makes you wonder why they didn't demand a sensible commercial rate for these leases in the past.  If they had, the council coffers might have been in a better state right now.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Pendragon on December 14, 2010, 12:37:35 AM
 *&(  well I never knew that,
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 14, 2010, 09:01:28 AM
CCBC own a lot of property and it's not been terribly well managed in the past, in terms of maximising revenue. Things are improving but there's still a way to go. Really, I believe that the council should only own those assets that are essential to providing public services and everything else should be sold off.

Off the top of my head, other things they own that could be sold off are the former Rhos Harbour Bistro and the Cafe in Happy Valley, Llandudno. Maybe also the Beach Cafe at West Shore, Llandudno.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on December 14, 2010, 10:07:58 AM
The real issue - I suspect - is whether the private sector would do a better job. I always remember that the mess next to the Grand is a result of private ownership.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 14, 2010, 10:54:06 AM
The private sector does a better job 9 times out of 10. In the 1 out of 10 instance where it doesn't, then the public sector has the power to step in to deal with the problem. In the case of the Pier Pavilion, of course, neither the private or public sector emerges with any glory!

A third way, of course, is for local people to step in and take over these facilities. A group of motivated, community minded, individuals can achieve far more than the dead hand of council bureaucracy. Take the Happy Valley Cafe, Llandudno, as an example. It could be owned by a community group (maybe even the elusive 'Friends of Happy Valley'  ;D ), still run by the Parisellas, but all revenues ploughed back into improving Happy Valley park.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on December 14, 2010, 11:45:33 AM
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The private sector does a better job 9 times out of 10

That's a tricky statistic to confirm or deny, but I suppose my concern is that if you look at the overall history of private businesses taking over from government or councils, it isn't one of unalloyed perfection. However, when we're talking local councils, I sometimes think anything must be better...
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 14, 2010, 12:22:56 PM
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The real issue - I suspect - is whether the private sector would do a better job. I always remember that the mess next to the Grand is a result of private ownership.

almost everything was built in the first place by the  private sector, trouble is modern generations have failed for various reasons to look after it.

this is interesting about the Pavilion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llandudno_Pier_Pavilion_Theatre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llandudno_Pier_Pavilion_Theatre)
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 14, 2010, 06:54:03 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-11982660 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-11982660)

Up to seven of the 12 public libraries in Conwy could close as the council debates their future.

The council admits the service is one of the worst performing in Wales with a poor range of books, not enough staff and badly maintained buildings.

The options before councillors on Tuesday stress that changes are needed for the service to improve.

One councillor who is against the closures said libraries are the hub of the community and should be kept.

It is not the first time library closures have been suggested in Conwy and a similar decision was delayed in 2007.

A report to the council's cabinet on Tuesday admits the library service is among "the lowest performing in Wales" and that it is not sustainable without "significant investment".

Its problems are due mainly to "a consistent lack of investment" in books, staffing levels and buildings "over a long period of time".

On Tuesday there are three options before councillors, although the first one, to do nothing is "not an option" according to the report.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

    Penrhyn Bay library is a special case because of where it's situated.. it is the heart of the community”

End Quote Myra Wigzell Llandudno Town Councillor

One option would see seven libraries close at Cerrigydrudion, Deganwy, Kinmel Bay, Llandudno Junction, Llanfairfechan, Penmaenmawr and Penrhyn Bay.

Another would see five libraries close at Deganwy, Llandudno Junction, Kinmel Bay, Llanfairfechan and Penrhyn Bay.

There will be a public consultation process before the final decision is taken by councillors.

The money saved would be spent on improving other libraries, including a new one in the Conwy or Llandudno Junction area.

Llandudno town councillor for the Penrhyn ward, Myra Wigzell, is against the closures.

"Penrhyn Bay library is a special case because of where it's situated, it's next to the post office and together they form the hub of the community," she said.

She said it seemed Conwy council had "just looked at a map and seen our library is close to the ones in Llandudno and Colwyn Bay".

"Penrhyn Bay has a great many elderly residents who use the library.

"It's also used by people from Llanrhos and Craigside who find it easier to get to and to park," she added.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 14, 2010, 06:59:10 PM
Going off topic slightly, I see that CCBC wishes to spend £22million to rebuild Ysgol Y Gogarth in Llandudno. It's an excellent facility, certainly, but why does it need to be completely rebuilt and why does it have to cost so much? Can it really be justified if finances are so tight?
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 14, 2010, 07:01:10 PM
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The real issue - I suspect - is whether the private sector would do a better job. I always remember that the mess next to the Grand is a result of private ownership.

almost everything was built in the first place by the  private sector, trouble is modern generations have failed for various reasons to look after it.

this is interesting about the Pavilion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llandudno_Pier_Pavilion_Theatre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llandudno_Pier_Pavilion_Theatre)

Good article, that one.  ;)  8)
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on December 14, 2010, 11:56:19 PM
If what I saw when out in Conwy with Dave R is anything to go by, then all the libraries might as well close.

You see there was no one reading books,  but there was a line of computers which people can use for free to research on line.

I could hardly believe my eyes when I saw ALL of them were occupied by teenagers on FACEBOOK!!   And I'm paying for that!!!!

Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on December 15, 2010, 08:15:42 AM
 That's actually one of the biggest problems with CCBC's library network; the paucity of reading materials is the other  :o
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 15, 2010, 08:16:56 AM
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I could hardly believe my eyes when I saw ALL of them were occupied by teenagers on FACEBOOK!!   And I'm paying for that!!!!
It is ridiculous, and Llandudno Library is the same. Why cannot access to social networking sites be blocked?

Apparently, CCBC's Library provision is so poor that there is a possibility (according to that report) that WAG may take direct control of it and run it themselves.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on December 15, 2010, 08:31:25 AM
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Why cannot access to social networking sites be blocked?

I'm only guessing, here, but I could suggest it's because when they hire library staff, they don't check their level of computer literacy...
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 15, 2010, 08:59:55 AM
I think the access is controlled centrally, from somewhere deep in Bodlondeb. There is plenty of software out there to deal with such things.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on December 15, 2010, 09:13:35 AM
I agree.   I assumed each library had its own router and firewall set-up. but perhaps not.  Must investigate.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: ormegolf on December 15, 2010, 11:44:42 AM
I use various librarys a lot, both for books and computers and newspapers and etc etc. If all the p.cs were being used by youngsters looking at facebook (were you looking over their shoulders) it would have been around 3.30 in the afternoon. In term time. It doesent really happen any other time and not much at all in school hols. But yes, they do leave school together and use the pcs together, which, I suppose, is better than the solitary use of a pc at home. They are connecting both physically and internet wise at the same time with each other. I cannot really knock that, even if they can become a pest at times. Mike
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Yorkie on December 15, 2010, 11:50:52 AM
I believe that there is also a time limit for each user which will prevent one person hogging a machine for long periods and gives everyone an opportunity to use their IT skills.    To my mind what they do on the PC is up to them and in this respect I think all "naughty" sites are blocked centrally!     ;D
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on December 15, 2010, 04:08:06 PM
Mike.. it was about 2pm ... and these teenagers were not interacting with anyone physically.
They were chatting about inane stuff, like what did the X Factor judges wear this weekend.

I'm not against that, I just object to paying for it thats all... let them do it at home.

The extent of the CCBC cuts will be very radical (or could be if its managed properly) ... and when harsh choices have to be made, perhaps these libraries really aren't delivering the value the taxpayer should expect.   
Will we let kids play on Facebook ... or shall we have streetlights.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
Llandudno town councillor for the Penrhyn ward, Myra Wigzell, is against the closures.

"Penrhyn Bay library is a special case because of where it's situated, it's next to the post office and together they form the hub of the community," she said.

She said it seemed Conwy council had "just looked at a map and seen our library is close to the ones in Llandudno and Colwyn Bay".

"Penrhyn Bay has a great many elderly residents who use the library.

"It's also used by people from Llanrhos and Craigside who find it easier to get to and to park," she added.


Couldn't these elderly residents not use their bus passes to travel to Colwyn Bay or Llandudno ?  ;D
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2010, 05:32:10 PM
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It's a fair point. For example, CCBC own the Freehold of the Aberconwy Caravan Park on the Morfa in Conwy, which is valued at £1.7m - why not sell it? The Rhos Fynach pub in Rhos On Sea - why not sell it?

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/18413/response/50145/attach/html/2/FOI%20880%2009%20Non%20County%20Occupied%20Assets.xls.html (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/18413/response/50145/attach/html/2/FOI%20880%2009%20Non%20County%20Occupied%20Assets.xls.html)

Whoever has the lease on the Aberconwy Caravan Park agreed to give the council a rather large percentage of the turnover if I remember rightly so in a way it is in private hands already but still earning for the council.
Caravan Parks have shot up in value in the last few years ( just like gold Mr Brown!) so it might not be a good idea to sell, on the other hand if you control the planning applications I guess you can just open another one instead  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: MrFalafel on December 16, 2010, 03:19:23 PM
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The private sector does a better job 9 times out of 10. In the 1 out of 10 instance where it doesn't, then the public sector has the power to step in to deal with the problem. In the case of the Pier Pavilion, of course, neither the private or public sector emerges with any glory!

A third way, of course, is for local people to step in and take over these facilities. A group of motivated, community minded, individuals can achieve far more than the dead hand of council bureaucracy. Take the Happy Valley Cafe, Llandudno, as an example. It could be owned by a community group (maybe even the elusive 'Friends of Happy Valley'  ;D ), still run by the Parisellas, but all revenues ploughed back into improving Happy Valley park.

I know a bit about Happy Valley Cafe. The problem there is it doesn't make enough money to be kept afloat as a viable business. Hasn't for years.  The Parisellas tried and ran it at a loss most months of the year and didn''t recoup during the summer months. If a business savvy person took a look at the books and the potential for the business they wouldn't touch the Cafe with a 10 foot pole. So the council has a choice: keep it open as a 'tourist support cost' or let it close down and become and eyesore. I can see they've chosen the former and its hard to fault them for that. I like your idea about being run as a community group but which community group can afford to lose as much money as Parisellas did?

It's a tough call for that one. But I agree the freeholds in caravan parks should be sold off!
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on December 16, 2010, 03:43:11 PM
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The problem there is it doesn't make enough money to be kept afloat as a viable business.

Perhaps it needs an added attraction - such as a stage show?   ))*
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 16, 2010, 06:01:03 PM
Interesting stuff, McFalafel, I'd be amazed if the cafe didnt make a nice profit, it is always busy in the Summer months - I'm there at least once a week and there's always a steady stream of customers. So are you saying that the Parisellas effectively don't pay any rent for it?!

You could boost profitability there with a few fairly simple changes:

1) More exciting menu - they don't sell nearly as much food as they should.
2) Reduce the kitchen area size (which accounts for over 50% of the interior floor space) and increase the number of inside tables.
3) Replace current open entrance with door and large picture windows, so that it will be warmer on colder days.
4) Better coffee!

 ££$
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on December 16, 2010, 07:20:29 PM
In addition,

5, Let people know its there...its a little hidden, maybe some signs from North Parade, right round past The Grand.
6, Make parking easier, its a nightmare round there on busy days.

...and 7, Create a famous 'signature' product.  One wich people will tell all their friends about, and look forward to coming back to Llandudno for time and time again!   

Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: ormegolf on December 16, 2010, 09:07:54 PM
Dave, There is only one thing I think you overlook. You state it is always busy when you go there in the summer months. Agreed. Proviso---on nice sunny days when you probably visit. When its sheeting it down with rain it wont take a penny. Same applies in every tourist business anywhere in the country. Unfortunately the overheads, wages, rent, rates the lot, they come rain or shine. Dont think I am critising your judgement. Virtually everybody makes the same mistake. How many times have I heard it said "Its always heaving when I see it." But I know they only see it at the good times  Mike
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 09:31:23 AM
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Dave, There is only one thing I think you overlook. You state it is always busy when you go there in the summer months. Agreed. Proviso---on nice sunny days when you probably visit. When its sheeting it down with rain it wont take a penny. Same applies in every tourist business anywhere in the country. Unfortunately the overheads, wages, rent, rates the lot, they come rain or shine. Dont think I am critising your judgement. Virtually everybody makes the same mistake. How many times have I heard it said "Its always heaving when I see it." But I know they only see it at the good times  Mike
I take your point, Mike, I'm struggling to think of days this Summer when I would have wanted to walk though Happy Valley but didn't because it was raining. I have been there on many overcast days and it's certainly quieter but still doing a fair bit of trade. The cafe is on one of the main routes up the Orme (and of course to the ski slope), so there are always people about.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2010, 09:32:14 AM
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When its sheeting it down with rain it wont take a penny.

But that's a comparatively rare occurrence at Happy Valley.  The Orme has one of the lowest rainfall figures in the UK.

You can run a cafe in the remotest of locations in Llandudno and make a profit, but you need to make sure it's warm for the cold days and  - as Dave says - make sure there are plenty of tables.  Mostly, however, it's down to the folk who serve you.  They need to make you feel as though you matter.  
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 09:33:50 AM
Unbelievable - news that Colwyn Bay & Llandudno Police Stations are proposed for closure:

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2010/12/16/fears-that-colwyn-bay-and-llandudno-police-stations-could-close-55243-27832220/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2010/12/16/fears-that-colwyn-bay-and-llandudno-police-stations-could-close-55243-27832220/)

"FEARS that Colwyn Bay and Llandudno police stations could close in a shake-up of policing in North Wales are growing.

North Wales Police Authority is currently carrying out a consultation into proposals to improve efficiency and make cash savings, and they are proposing a number of “response hubs” and a reduction in the number of existing police districts.

One of the response hubs, which it is claimed would enable officers to be deployed to locations within 30 minutes, would be at Colwyn Bay HQ.
And there is also a suggestion the existing central police district which covers the town and parts of Denbighshire could be merged with West Conwy to create one enlarged district which would include both the Bay and Llandudno."
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 17, 2010, 10:01:48 AM
If the Police want to save money, just get rid of those awful speed tax camera vans  :rage:
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: MrFalafel on December 17, 2010, 10:25:59 AM
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When its sheeting it down with rain it wont take a penny.

But that's a comparatively rare occurrence at Happy Valley.  The Orme has one of the lowest rainfall figures in the UK.

You can run a cafe in the remotest of locations in Llandudno and make a profit, but you need to make sure it's warm for the cold days and  - as Dave says - make sure there are plenty of tables.  Mostly, however, it's down to the folk who serve you.  They need to make you feel as though you matter.  

Lots of people walking past does not automatically add up to high sales. I knew the people who ran Happy Valley Cafe a few years ago and their problem was the customers they had would buy a cup of tea and thats it. Or a plate of chips and nothing else. Or a couple of cold drinks while sitting at a table for an hour. Food sales where they made the most money were rare. Tourists were bringing picnics or eating elsewhere and just stopping by the Cafe for an ice cream. There were almost no regulars from town frequenting the place. In fact, in the winter months the manager would be asked to close up the cafe for 3 months and she'd go 'sign on' during that time then open the cafe back up in the spring. This is how the cafe worked for years and years. And this was during the 'good years' when the economy was doing very well. The main reason it remained open was the Parisella's was doing well elsewhere and used the cafe as a place for his less productive offspring to attempt to run without being 'hands on'. As the ice cream magnates fortunes waned elsewhere in the county he couldn't keep the place just ticking over.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2010, 10:51:42 AM
Actually, it's on teas and coffees where you make the most, so that doesn't ring true to me. Thing is, it doesn't matter if they sit around for a while;  that's the nature of cafes, and it's always going to happen. But what did strike a warning note was your comment that "the manager would be asked to close up the cafe for 3 months"  Running a tiny cafe like that you can't really afford to have a manager. It has to be owner-driven, and that's what makes the difference. An engaging owner, who's hands-on and makes the folk feel important and valued will soon have repeat business and locals tripping up there, just for the pleasure of chatting. Then you eliminate the problem of "Tourists  bringing picnics or eating elsewhere and just stopping by the Cafe for an ice cream. "

In fact, you've told us why it didn't work when you said "Parisella's was doing well elsewhere and used the cafe as a place for his less productive offspring to attempt to run".  That's it in a nutshell.

I know a few folk who could make that place work - and work well.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: MrFalafel on December 17, 2010, 11:27:19 AM
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Actually, it's on teas and coffees where you make the most, so that doesn't ring true to me. Thing is, it doesn't matter if they sit around for a while;  that's the nature of cafes, and it's always going to happen. But what did strike a warning note was your comment that "the manager would be asked to close up the cafe for 3 months"  Running a tiny cafe like that you can't really afford to have a manager. It has to be owner-driven, and that's what makes the difference. An engaging owner, who's hands-on and makes the folk feel important and valued will soon have repeat business and locals tripping up there, just for the pleasure of chatting. Then you eliminate the problem of "Tourists  bringing picnics or eating elsewhere and just stopping by the Cafe for an ice cream. "

In fact, you've told us why it didn't work when you said "Parisella's was doing well elsewhere and used the cafe as a place for his less productive offspring to attempt to run".  That's it in a nutshell.

I know a few folk who could make that place work - and work well.
It's actually repeat trade where you make the margins. 99% of the customers at Happy Valley were tourists who just stumbled upon the place so it was really luck of the draw.  The location isn't really conducive for locals wandering over a couple of times a week like they do in town.

The earlier suggestion about simplifying the menu was tried. The reduced stock helped keep the overheads down a bit but the reality of the daily costs of keeping the place open, staffed adequately, lit up and stocked up just didn't match up the daily cash intake.

I would be amazed to see somone make that cafe work in the current trading conditions when so many other food retailers are struggling in better locations with better reputations.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Blongb on December 18, 2010, 05:39:22 PM
The first thing they would have to do is change all the seats. In a Cafe where through-put is needed it's no good having comfortable chairs, where your customers sit for an hour taking in the view. You have to have what’s called in the trade 10 minute chairs. They have two of the back support rods set a little too far forward and although very comfortable at first, as you lean back they dig into your kidneys and become progressively more uncomfortable. I knew a Carpenter who used to make them for the Bakers Oven retail chain.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Yorkie on December 18, 2010, 07:38:08 PM
Sounds like a Health and Safety matter to me!    Big compensation claims!   _))*   _))*
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Blongb on January 01, 2011, 12:02:57 PM
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In addition,

6, Make parking easier, its a nightmare round there on busy days.

When the Council applied for and got the “cursed” Lottery grant to restore Happy Valley Gardens to its Victorian splendour, one of the conditions was to remove all the Parking from behind the Café because in Victorian times they didn’t have Car Parks.

Before they got the grant, we were in discussions with the Council to rent some of the proposed 54 place car parking spaces for our guests use.

Another thing the “cursed” Lottery people were insisting on was the removal of most of the mature trees from the Gardens as again in Victorian times they didn’t have any.

Have any of you noticed how the Valley has changed from a lovely secluded garden of old, into open Parkland of today. It makes you want to weep.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Yorkie on January 01, 2011, 01:15:05 PM
And there's no where to tie up your horses either!     >?>??
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Trojan on January 01, 2011, 06:08:43 PM
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And there's no where to tie up your horses either!     >?>??

You could always tie it to Victoria's bust.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Nemesis on January 02, 2011, 01:23:20 PM
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In addition,

6, Make parking easier, its a nightmare round there on busy days.

When the Council applied for and got the “cursed” Lottery grant to restore Happy Valley Gardens to its Victorian splendour, one of the conditions was to remove all the Parking from behind the Café because in Victorian times they didn’t have Car Parks.

Before they got the grant, we were in discussions with the Council to rent some of the proposed 54 place car parking spaces for our guests use.

Another thing the “cursed” Lottery people were insisting on was the removal of most of the mature trees from the Gardens as again in Victorian times they didn’t have any.

Have any of you noticed how the Valley has changed from a lovely secluded garden of old, into open Parkland of today. It makes you want to weep.


Just been up there this a.m. A sweeper wouldn't go amiss.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on January 02, 2011, 08:10:46 PM
I still want to know what happened to the stage area that was promised for Happy Valley in the redevelopment plans:

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Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on January 03, 2011, 08:02:28 AM
From that article, it sounds to me as though they hadn't even obtained lottery funding. Having applied successfully for a grant in excess of £100 000 from the lottery fund, I can confirm that you need all the architectural  plans, planning permissions and rough costings well in place before you even consider approaching them. I also suspect they would have experienced some difficulty in meeting the criteria for the grant.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Blongb on January 03, 2011, 05:13:01 PM
The stage area became the almost unused children’s play area, after they had so much trouble stabilising the slope which supports the side wall of the underground water reservoir which is underneath the putting green. I’ve often wondered if the Council were paid for the car parking places (54) they removed in the process. .
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: MrFalafel on January 05, 2011, 02:21:05 PM
12,000 public sector job cuts in North Wales in the next few years. That no doubt means a few thousand for Conwy. That's gonna hurt.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/01/05/12-000-jobs-could-be-lost-in-north-wales-55578-27934121/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/01/05/12-000-jobs-could-be-lost-in-north-wales-55578-27934121/)
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Yorkie on January 05, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers, after all sensationalism is the name of their game!     ¢¢##
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on January 16, 2011, 05:49:11 PM
The once lovely display of bedding pants in Happy Valley has been axed - how it used to look:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2661/3774643099_f95508be5b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3774643099/)
Happy Valley (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3774643099/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr

All the flower beds have been planted out with shrubs now - still, visitors who enjoyed the flowers can always go to another seaside resort, can't they...
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Blongb on February 04, 2011, 12:23:28 AM
Happy Valley has been cursed ever since CCBC got the Heritage Lottery Grant, allegedly to return the Gardens to there Victorian Splendour  ))*
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on February 04, 2011, 12:43:59 AM
BlongB !!!
I was only saying to Dave R today that I was wondering where you had got to...... he was guessing 'holiday'
But, its nice to see you back!

Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Blongb on February 04, 2011, 12:55:39 AM
You’ve got that one right, that rotten wife of mine dragged me off kicking and screaming for a fortnights cruising round the Caribbean. It was hell. I couldn't get a decent WIFI connection anywhere and spent my whole holiday wondering what I was missing on the Forum
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Nemesis on February 04, 2011, 03:37:24 PM
Oh you poor thing  _))*

There were gardeners beavering away in the Happy Valley one day last week, and it looked alot tidier than last time I went up there
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Blongb on February 04, 2011, 04:04:26 PM
Got to question your description Nemesis as I think vegetation clearers would be far more accurate. Those poor unsupervised well meaning souls have done so much damage to what were beautiful gardens, that it breaks my heart every time I go up there. The complete destruction of the Laburnum Arch, the destruction of the Monkey Puzzle Tree, the destruction of the Rose Arbour, the destruction of the Three Coloured Laburnum Tree, the destruction of the Tree given to Llandudno by Queen Carmen Sylva that was only supposed to flower on Christmas Day, the list goes on and on. In all honesty I don't think the destruction will stop until it is changed from a "Garden" into open Parkland
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Nemesis on February 05, 2011, 01:19:32 PM
Know exactly what you mean, can I add to the list The arbutus (strawberry tree). That seemed to have vanished.
No I meant that the mouldering heaps of dead leaves and general rubbish had been cleared. My OH and I went up a few weeks ago and everywhere was covered in dead leaves and debris. It was a disgrace.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on February 08, 2011, 01:31:50 PM
Manchester have revealed the detail of where £110m of cuts will be made.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-12389726 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-12389726)

You can see that ALL public toilets, some swimming pools, leisure centres and libraries will be closing.

Is this the model for other councils?    For CCBC this  could means that Venue Cymru, and even the NEW swimming pool could come under the spotlight.

No more public loos to close here is there?

Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on February 08, 2011, 02:00:22 PM
The Councils are obviously cutting the services they think will make the public squeal the most, so they can blame central Govt, whilst at the same time ensuring their own comfy jobs are kept.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Ian on February 08, 2011, 03:09:06 PM
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The Councils are obviously cutting the services they think will make the public squeal the most, so they can blame central Govt,

That's right, and it's a strategy they've used many times in the past.  Unfortunately for the councillors, their reputations in general are barely above those of bankers and far below those of MPs, whose own are hardly of the highest.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: brumbob on February 08, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
Imagine over a third of all Llandudno's population disappearing overnight
that's how many of Birmingham Councils workforce are going to lose their jobs.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on February 08, 2011, 04:56:10 PM
It was only a matter of time. The country has been living way beyond its means for many years.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Blongb on February 08, 2011, 08:18:01 PM
Look at who has joined the ungodly alliance to keep that motley crew at Bodlondeb in power and then, do something about it come the local elections. It is also hoped by this demented writer that our local Tories are a whole lot better organised the next time around because they were certainly caught with there fingers up their bu,,'s the last time around
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: DaveR on February 08, 2011, 08:45:03 PM
Maybe an opportune moment to mention that a few eminent local politicians are members of the Forum. Besides the always informative Jason Weyman (Independent), we also have the leader of the Conservative Councillors on Conwy Council, Janet Finch-Saunders, as well as Mike Priestley, Liberal Councillor and Cabinet Member for the Environment.
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on February 09, 2011, 12:16:17 AM
Never hear much from them though.... and this IS after all a FORUM!   A place for speaking and addressing the public and ones peers.

Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Fester on February 09, 2011, 01:12:36 AM
I quite liked that school ma'amish picture I saw of her in the paper.

Very easy on the eye for a politician....  but SHUSSHHHH, she might be listening !!!



Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: Trojan on February 09, 2011, 01:23:43 AM
This is one of my favorites of her.  :-*
Title: Re: CCBC Spending Cutbacks
Post by: ormegolf on March 29, 2011, 08:38:40 PM
This is just for anyones information. Some departments of Conwy Council have moved. The department that looks after the business premises owned by the Council has moved from the large building alongside Macdonalds in the Junction to Colwyn Bay. From the same building the Tourist Dept has moved to part of the ground floor in the Library building in Mostyn Street. The property management and asset services dept has moved from the second floor in the Library  to the Government buildings in Dinerth Road in Rhos.  A couple of weeks ago I noticed a large removal van outside the library and men taking in furniture, office equipment etc. presumably to the ground floor. I did'nt bother waiting to see whether or not they later took out furniture, office equipment etc. from the second floor en route to Rhos.  ABSOLUTELY NO COMMENT. I don't want to upset CBC  unsigned
Title: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on October 16, 2013, 11:04:18 AM
Council funds for the next financial year will be cut by more than 5%.  In a response to a BBC inquiry, CCBC said

"Conwy's financial framework for the period 2012 to 2017 highlighted an extremely challenging financial landscape which predicted an annual resource shortfall of around £5m per year for the financial years covered, even after council tax increases of around 5% per year.  Indeed 2014/2015 projected a shortfall of £4.5m with warnings that 2015/2016 and 2016/2017 were likely to be at similar levels ie 'more of the same'."


There are only two options: they raise council tax - again - or they cut services.

This topic is for the TTF members to say which option they think is more suitable and - if the latter - what services ought to be cut.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: norman08 on October 16, 2013, 11:28:38 AM
few points to look at , how much is venue cymru losing each year , how much did the council make selling the land on gloddaeth ave [old peoples home ] ,how much did they get for land opp hospital [the new app,s ] £ 7.000 to the alice thing ,spending £ 50 ,000 plus redesigning offices when no call for ,shall we go on, i,m sure others will add other saving wher the don,t have to cut services  :rage:
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: wrex on October 16, 2013, 11:33:06 AM
The Colwyn Bay skip,they sold the tennis courts opp the hospis,sold the nurseing home on Church walks,it looks like they sold Norm.them to build the skip,that is where the money went
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: nwpo on October 16, 2013, 11:34:02 AM
Venue Cymru should have been privatised by now.  There is no need for 5 staff for marketing 4 events in October.

Flintshire are going to remove the subsidy (read - stop paying for the losses) on Clwyd Theatr Cymru, so it's about time that Conwy did as well.  Not to mention the losses on the Tram.

And, just have a look at the amounts that they pay people at the top!
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Dave on October 16, 2013, 12:06:03 PM
 No quibble with those at the top getting high salaries if they deserve them but it seems to me they don't otherwise there wouldn't be a budget deficit and the need to cut back due to poor spending decisions.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Blongb on October 16, 2013, 12:30:51 PM
There is a great need for the Council to be more accountable for their lamentable spending decisions.

The overspend on the Bridge over the rail crossing at Maesdu Road,

The colossal waist of money on the Colwyn Bay Skip,

The massive pay out for replacing a Chief Executive falsely accused,

The cost of putting thousands of tons of quarry ballast on the beach which has destroyed the North Shore,

The money being spent on Alice after allowing Penmofa to be pulled down,

The overspend on the Swimming Pool because contracts weren't  negotiated properly,

My list goes on and on but I'm sure you catch my drift.
If CCBC were a private company heads would have rolled but in our Public sector no one is being held accountable, WHY?   

The phrase "Not fit for purpose" comes to mind
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Yorkie on October 16, 2013, 05:01:22 PM
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There are only two options: they raise council tax - again - or they cut services.



Or as any successful industrial or service company would do . . . .  Reduce overheads, staff, buildings, running costs, and improve productivity with the remaining labour force.

 ZXZ
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on October 16, 2013, 06:40:41 PM
Traditionally, local councils pay their employees more for the same job as done by an outside agency.  I don't know if that's true in CCBC but I imagine that cutting services would reduce staffing. 
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: ormegolf on October 16, 2013, 08:01:31 PM
   Hello NWPO,  Whats this about losses on the tram?   I'm a new boy in Llandudno, but this is the first I have heard of this.Mike
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Cambrian on October 16, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
Just a couple of musings.  Presumably we should look at public expenditure in the round.  We know we now have 60 politicians in the Bay doing what 3 did pre 1997 - and they want more!  But what about the £50 million they recently spent on buying Cardiff Airport from the private sector.  That would have fixed a lot of potholes. Anyone ever asked about salary levels in Welsh Government or why a third of the edifice in the Junction is empty.  Why do they need a guard on the gate there and a staffed reception ?

Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: nwpo on October 17, 2013, 12:10:29 PM
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   Hello NWPO,  Whats this about losses on the tram?   I'm a new boy in Llandudno, but this is the first I have heard of this.Mike

It's all in the accounts. Section 30.

"The Council owns and operates the Great Orme Tramway generating income from ticket sales.

The objective is to maximise the operating surplus to provide an ongoing maintenance programme.

The reserve for ongoing maintenance at 31 March 2013 amounted to £325k."

2012/13

Turnover - £773,000
Expenditure - £914,000
Deficit - £141,000
Deficit after adjustment (IAS19) - £138,000

2011/12

Turnover - £819,000
Expenditure - £896,000
Deficit - £77,000
Deficit after adjustment (IAS19) - £73,000
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: nwpo on October 17, 2013, 12:16:34 PM
I've just checked.  The last time the Tram made a surplus (or profit as anyone else would call it) was 2009/10 in the sum of £37,000.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 17, 2013, 12:31:17 PM
I've always thought that the Tramway needs a longer operating season, with some evening running in the summer, should bring more revenue in!
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on October 17, 2013, 02:18:06 PM
I see no reason why the Tramway needs to be owned by CCBC, to be honest. Freeing it from the dead hand of local authority ownership might well reinvigorate it - perhaps a Great Orme Tramway Society should be set up to take over and run it?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: nwpo on October 17, 2013, 02:44:24 PM
Ditto Venue Cymru & Theatr Colwyn.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Fester on October 18, 2013, 12:24:17 AM
I have managed departments or functions in the private sector where every year (it seemed), there was a need to find cost reductions of 15%, 20% or even more.   It's painful, but by and large it got done. It had to get done, or someone else would have been brought in to manage it.

Given that CCBC staff were doing exercises to see how they would manage cuts of 5%, 10%, 20 % etc... (each more painful than the last), then this years deficit of 3.6% should be relatively easy to implement.
Also, looking at the lists posted by BlongB and others, cutting back on waste, or being more careful who they dole money out to should attend to the matter.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on October 18, 2013, 08:33:29 AM
I might have been dreaming but I'm sure someone was asking how much CCBC received for the sales of various properties around the area?

Site -0906AL08 Woodlands off Old Highway Mochdre 3,000.00
Establishment - AFC210A Glan Aber, Old Colwyn 92,000.00
Site AFB113 County Office, Castle Street, Conwy 221,000.00
Site -0512AL03 - The Surgery, Llanrwst 48,000.00
Site - 0309AL05 - Sewage Works, Cefn Brith, Cerrigydrudion 1.00
Site - AFD70053 - Tyddyn Fadog - Llanrwst 20,600.00
Site - 1008AL10 - Avallon Avenue, Llandudno Junction 5,510.00
Site - 1208AL01 - Conway Road (West), Mochdre 5,500.00
Site - AFB134 - Market Street Offices (NHS Building), Abergele 1.00
Establishment - 1110AL24 - Land Adjacent to 1 Glanrafon, Abergele 2,225.00
Site - SER214 - Plas y Dre Residential Home - Gloddaeth Street, Llandudno 800,700.00
Establishment - AFP412 - Coed Coch Road Public Convenience 4,000.00
Block - 0307SL01 - Car Park 19,350.00
Site - 1108AL07 - Land at Argoed Flats, Llanfairfechan 1.00
Block - SLD522B1 - Canolfan yr Orsedd 531,000.00
Site - H0001 - Land off Penlan, Maes Canol, Abergele 2,500.00
Site - AFD70025 - Pengarth - Conwy 25,000.00
Site - MOR30111 - Llysfaen Sports Complex - Dolwen Road, Llysfaen, Colwyn Bay 2,500.00
Block - MOR30111GF1 - Erw Llewelyn 10,001.00
Site - 0909AL04 - Penmaen Road Playing Fields - Conwy 15,250.00
Site - 1007SL01 - Ysgol Cadnant PRU 15,100.00
Site - EPN202 - Former Ysgol Rowen -
Site - SER212 - Plas Gogarth Residential Home - Church Walks, Llandudno 461,000.00
Site - 0809AL07 - Hillside, Fforydd y Llan, Llysfaen 3,000.00
TOTAL CAPITAL RECEIPTS (12/2012 TO 16/9/2013) 2,287,239.00
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2013, 09:38:13 AM
That's eactly the sort of information we need.

Quote
Given that CCBC staff were doing exercises to see how they would manage cuts of 5%, 10%, 20 % etc... (each more painful than the last), then this years deficit of 3.6% should be relatively easy to implement.Also, looking at the lists posted by BlongB and others, cutting back on waste, or being more careful who they dole money out to should attend to the matter.

The Swiss Cantons can call snap elections to defeat proposals they don't like or to remove from office those they feel aren't doing a good job.  That's what we need here.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: FatAndy on October 18, 2013, 10:47:27 AM
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Anyone ever asked about salary levels in Welsh Government or why a third of the edifice in the Junction is empty.

It's no longer a third empty.  The Student Loans Company have moved in as "paying tenants" and filled the space that was previously empty.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: wrex on October 18, 2013, 03:22:39 PM
What about the tennis courts on Abbey rd or was that in last years accounts,
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on October 19, 2013, 02:06:51 PM
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What about the tennis courts on Abbey rd or was that in last years accounts,
No mention of it, oddly enough?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Fester on October 19, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
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What about the tennis courts on Abbey rd or was that in last years accounts,

Masonic cover up!   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Yorkie on October 19, 2013, 08:29:22 PM
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What about the tennis courts on Abbey rd or was that in last years accounts,

Masonic cover up!   :laugh: :laugh:

Did you expect a "net" profit?     )*)&
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Blongb on October 20, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
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What about the tennis courts on Abbey rd or was that in last years accounts,

Masonic cover up!   :laugh: :laugh:

Did you expect a "net" profit?     )*)&
No chance, they did it for Love  ;D
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: mull on October 20, 2013, 08:50:52 PM
So come on what was the amount for the Tennis Courts ?

Are some people in the know trying to keep it under thier hat ?

We should know by now.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Blongb on October 20, 2013, 08:58:40 PM
It must be in last year's accounts because it's taken over a year to build the new retirement complex. Mind you although there is nothing intrinsically wrong with timber frame construction for choice I prefer the construction of the other complex on Gloddaeth Ave.  $good$ 
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: norman08 on October 20, 2013, 09:19:29 PM
were the tennis courts owned by loretto [catholic church]
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Nemesis on October 21, 2013, 09:00:56 AM
 I prefer the construction of the other complex on Gloddaeth Ave.   

The construction and general appearance are fine ( soon to be hopefully finished), but having obtained a brochure for said flats the costs are very high compared to others in the area.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Blongb on October 21, 2013, 07:58:52 PM
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were the tennis courts owned by loretto [catholic church]


You are of course right Norman, the Council were only involved by permitting the change use of the land in the L.D.P.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on October 22, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
Not so, the land was owned by CCBC, they had a 'For Sale' sign on the corner for about two years.

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/E_MINUTES/e_post2002/e_regulatory/e_planning/e_reports/03-33035.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/E_MINUTES/e_post2002/e_regulatory/e_planning/e_reports/03-33035.pdf)

"Members must also be reminded that on the basis that this is a publicly owned site"
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Llechwedd on October 22, 2013, 10:54:16 AM
Wonder what happened to the report made by a company from Bangor. We could see from the hospice that  they were drilling down in what used to be the tennis court to ascertain what the rocks under were etc. and eventually  came upon sea water .  It remained for sale quite a while after that.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Yorkie on October 22, 2013, 04:15:18 PM
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Wonder what happened to the report made by a company from Bangor. We could see from the hospice that  they were drilling down in what used to be the tennis court to ascertain what the rocks under were etc. and eventually  came upon sea water .  It remained for sale quite a while after that.

All land has a "Water Table" this being a measurement under the surface where water is generally always available.  Being so close to the sea, and being so low lying, the water table for Llandudno is only a few feet under our roads and houses, and it is not surprising that it is salty!  Often this is the reason for many buildings being built on piles which are sunk down to a substantially firm base.  More technical stuff available from Google. 
 ;D
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on December 20, 2013, 09:15:12 AM
Well, seem we're not alone in having a ropey council:

http://www.rottenborough.org.uk/ (http://www.rottenborough.org.uk/)

http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/evidence_archives/incompetent/evidence_incompetent_index.html (http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/evidence_archives/incompetent/evidence_incompetent_index.html)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on December 20, 2013, 09:32:28 AM
It seems that incompetence, dishonesty and waste permeate the enitre local government structure...

"Eric Pickles' department has been reprimanded by the Whitehall spending watchdog after running up an unauthorised overdraft of £217 million.

It's an embarrassment for Department for Communities and Local Government with Pickles' regularly lecturing local councils on the need to get their finances under control and George Osborne praising Pickles as "the model of lean government".

Head of the National Audit Office (NAO) Amyas Morse announced that he was "qualifying" his regularity opinion of the department's financial statements because of its breach of Treasury spending limits.

eric pickles
Pickles: the model of lean government no more

The NAO disclosed that the Treasury had imposed a £20,000 fine on his department as a punishment for its poor financial management. (So this is us - the tax payer - imposing a fine on, er...us, the taxpayers)

In a further setback, the NAO found that the department's local government capital expenditure limit of £80,000 had been exceeded by almost £1.2 million as a result of overspending by two of its arm's-length bodies - the Valuation Tribunal Service and the Commission of Local Administration in England.

Chairman of the Commons Public Accounts Committee Margaret Hodge described the failure of the department to control its finances as "a shocking example of incompetence".

"This is an unacceptable abuse and waste of public money that could have been avoided with the right financial oversight," she said.

"I am staggered that the department has been so blase with its resources and so poor at staying within some of its budgets.

"If local authorities, for whom the department is responsible, acted in this way, the department would be down on them like a ton of bricks. The Department for Communities and Local Government must learn lessons and ensure it does not repeat these mistakes."
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Post by: Fester on December 21, 2013, 01:36:49 AM
Is that a recent article Ian?
You see, despite being a Bradford Lad, I am certain that Mr Pickles has been lambasted for wasting similar sums of public money in the past.  Not long past either.
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Post by: Ian on December 21, 2013, 08:19:03 AM
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Is that a recent article Ian?

June this year, F, and from the Huffington Post.

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Post by: Yorkie on December 21, 2013, 11:06:21 AM
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You see, despite being a Bradford Lad, I am certain that Mr Pickles has been lambasted for wasting similar sums of public money in the past.  Not long past either.

Wilfred Pickles and his Mrs used to give the stuff away just for "Having a go, Joe!"   :D
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on February 04, 2014, 10:42:47 AM
CCBC Turkeys in 'not voting for Christmas' shock....  :laugh:

Conwy council rejects merger with neighbouring Denbighshire

A meeting was told council tax in Conwy county would go up if the authority joined forces with its neighbour.

Last week the Williams report recommended that the two authorities be combined into a single council.

But Conwy's deputy leader said the report did not mention the cost of mergers, and previous collaborations had not worked.

Last week First Minister Carwyn Jones said: "Change is inevitable and essential so that our public services can become more efficient, effective, accessible and responsive".

On Friday, councillors in Conwy considered a proposal that the authority should support a merger with Denbighshire and begin the process of making it happen.

But the idea was rejected by a large number of the councillors, who voted against starting talks about a merger.

Conwy council deputy leader Ronnie Hughes said: "I'm not going to lie down like a lap dog and let people stroke my stomach.

"It's foolish to start any negotiations with any other authority at the present time.

"Nowhere in the Williams report does it mention the costs of council mergers. Who picks up that bill? It's an absolute disgrace.

"We've had partnerships (with Denbighshire) in the past over highways - it was a disaster. I vote we stay as we are."

Councillor Mike Priestley added it would be "premature" to begin talks to create a new authority.

He said he was worried that council tax bills in Conwy county borough would go up if the two authorities merged.

Council tax bills for a band D home in Conwy council are currently £918.93, compared to £1,074.09 in Denbighshire.

Officials at Conwy council say that a merger of the two councils would probably mean a "blending" of the council tax levels, with Denbighshire's council tax coming down and the bill in Conwy going up.

They had calculated that the rise in Conwy would be 7.34% at current levels.

"Why should we merge with Denbighshire - they charge more for worse services," said Councillor Dave Cowans.

Councillor Graham Rees added: "I don't want to send a message that we're happy to dispose of Conwy on someone's whim. I'm going to fight tooth and nail to keep Conwy as Conwy."

But Councillor Goronwy Edwards, who proposed the motion, said: "The status quo is not the way forward.

"I will not sit back while the Welsh government pushes council mergers through.

"You could cut me in half and I'd have Conwy written inside me through and through.

"But we can either be part of the debate on reorganisation of local government or we can be spectators. I know which I'd rather be."

Councillor Joan Vaughan said it was only three years until a merged authority could come into being.

She added: "Three years is not a long time in politics. We need to be working on shaping the future now."

Councillors voted by a large majority for an alternative motion, which said that no merger talks would begin yet, but the authority would set up a committee to monitor the situation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-25984467 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-25984467)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on February 04, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
Now, I'm not suggesting Cllrr Ronnie Hughes is out of touch or anything but his comments are slightly odd:

"We've had partnerships (with Denbighshire) in the past over highways - it was a disaster."

...given that the joint Conwy/Denbighshire Highways dept received a major award for their collaboration a few years ago?

Conwy and Denbighshire's Joint Highways and Infrastructure Service has been awarded the 'Best Public / Public Partnership Working Initiative' at the APSE Service Awards 2010.

Councils throughout the UK compete for a place on the Association for Public Service Excellence (APSE) winners list.

Early in 2008, both Conwy and Denbighshire Councils had a vacancy for a Head of Service for their Highways Departments. The two councils decided on an innovative, collaborative approach that led to the appointment of a joint Head of Service and the establishment of a joint cross-boundary Highways and Infrastructure Service.  This close working and collaboration has provided a more sustainable and efficient management of resources.

Stuart Davies, Joint Head of Highways and Infrastructure for Conwy and Denbighshire Councils said, "The commitment shown by both authorities to collaborative working is at the forefront of local government thinking.  It's fantastic that our pioneering approach to collaboration has been recognised, and has triumphed against authorities across the UK."

Cllr Dilwyn Roberts, Leader Conwy County Borough Council said: "Winning this category is a real achievement. The award recognises the benefits of the collaboration in reducing costs and improving services for the residents of Conwy and Denbighshire."

Cllr Hugh Evans, Leader of Denbighshire County Council said: "We are really pleased that this partnership between Denbighshire and Conwy has been a success and is working so well. Working in partnership is the way forward and we look forward to working with Conwy and other organisations on this and future partnership opportunities."

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7565&doc=27020 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7565&doc=27020)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: FatAndy on February 04, 2014, 06:08:17 PM
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Now, I'm not suggesting Cllrr Ronnie Hughes is out of touch or anything but his comments are slightly odd:

"We've had partnerships (with Denbighshire) in the past over highways - it was a disaster."

...given that the joint Conwy/Denbighshire Highways dept received a major award for their collaboration a few years ago?

Conwy and Denbighshire's Joint Highways and Infrastructure Service has been awarded the 'Best Public / Public Partnership Working Initiative' at the APSE Service Awards 2010.

Councils throughout the UK compete for a place on the Association for Public Service Excellence (APSE) winners list.

I have it on good authority from someone inside the Highways department that the collaboration with Denbighshire was a complete disaster and wasted shedloads of money.  Stuart Davies has long since departed his post so I doubt he still thinks the pioneering approach to collaboration is quite as fantastic as he did three years ago.
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Post by: rhos.rover on February 05, 2014, 01:20:21 AM
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Now, I'm not suggesting Cllrr Ronnie Hughes is out of touch or anything but his comments are slightly odd:

"We've had partnerships (with Denbighshire) in the past over highways - it was a disaster."

...given that the joint Conwy/Denbighshire Highways dept received a major award for their collaboration a few years ago?

Conwy and Denbighshire's Joint Highways and Infrastructure Service has been awarded the 'Best Public / Public Partnership Working Initiative' at the APSE Service Awards 2010.

Councils throughout the UK compete for a place on the Association for Public Service Excellence (APSE) winners list.

I have it on good authority from someone inside the Highways department that the collaboration with Denbighshire was a complete disaster and wasted shedloads of money.  Stuart Davies has long since departed his post so I doubt he still thinks the pioneering approach to collaboration is quite as fantastic as he did three years ago.

I can back Andy up on that. At least three trusted members of CCBC (in positions that should know the facts) also told me that it was a total mess that cost Conwy dearly. And it wasn’t our Councils fault that time…

I would be panicking about an amalgamation with Denbighshire, if I didn’t regard it as a certainty. What’s the point in getting stressed over a massive political agenda that will come into place regardless of what we say or want?   
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Post by: Ian on February 05, 2014, 08:35:40 AM
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Councillors voted by a large majority for an alternative motion, which said that no merger talks would begin yet, but the authority would set up a committee to monitor the situation.


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Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: FatAndy on February 05, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Remember the school bus fiasco.  Collaborative working with Denbighshire taking the lead.  Denbighshire came in on budget but Conwy overspent by £550,000.  Maybe that was all just coincidence  :roll:.
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Post by: Fester on February 05, 2014, 11:38:25 PM
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Councillors voted by a large majority for an alternative motion, which said that no merger talks would begin yet, but the authority would set up a committee to monitor the situation.


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That just sums up politics!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Blongb on February 06, 2014, 03:23:58 PM
If ever the council is put in the position of having to make a decision it is standard practice to form a committee to look into it. They in turn will form a sub committee, who in turn will need outside consultants to advise them. Hey Presto its 5 to 10 years down the road and nothing has been achieved except of course a great deal of council tax payers money has been swallowed up in the process. 
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on February 06, 2014, 06:53:24 PM
The thing is that it's not remotely CCBC's decision to make, so they are wasting their time. The Welsh Government will decide the changes and order them to be implemented. The wishes of Conwy Councillors are irrelevant, so they may as well spend their time on something more productive.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Fester on February 06, 2014, 09:27:39 PM
Absolutely Dave.  The merger of councils in Wales is something that is HAPPENING to councils, it is a process that will be dictated to them.

Having meetings, projects, committees etc, about the mergers, is a terrible waste of time and money.

They might as well have meetings about whether an asteroid is going to hit the Earth anytime in the future.
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Post by: Ian on February 07, 2014, 08:18:21 AM
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Having meetings, projects, committees etc, about the mergers, is a terrible waste of time and money.

But surely you don't expect them to change the habits of a lifetime?  ££$
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Post by: Ian on February 21, 2014, 08:45:57 AM
Nice to see CCBC has agreed a 5% hike in council tax. Roll on the mergers.
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Post by: suepp on February 21, 2014, 09:18:57 AM
I visited the Sun Centre last summer, it was very very busy and I felt the largely very young staff were overwhelmed at the task of keeping it going, with long queues to get in, there were people jumping into the water next to the sign saying "do not jump", very long queues on the fairly slippery steps going up to the  slides, the changing rooms smelt awful and I spotted a discarded nappy on the floor of a changing booth, I was also very aware of a strong smell of food  wafting over from the poolside burger bar. Given the fairly expensive admission price it could hardly be closed for being uneconomical to run and under used, but there again I did decide never to venture there again!
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: wrex on June 02, 2014, 09:52:59 PM
There must have been massive cuts in the parks dept as the grass is uncut and the gardens have been left to over grow,nice one CCBC.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Mikethewatch on June 02, 2014, 10:02:53 PM
I'm led to believe all the plants have gone over to Colwyn bay in an attempt to brighten up the area around 'Port HairyArse' ( the skip)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: FatAndy on June 03, 2014, 06:32:53 PM
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I'm led to believe all the plants have gone over to Colwyn bay in an attempt to brighten up the area around 'Port HairyArse' ( the skip)

I believe some of the residents of Colwyn Bay pay council tax and some businesses there pay rates so I think they're well within their rights to expect a few flowers get passed their way.  As a council tax payer who doesn't live in either Llandudno or Colwyn Bay I congratulate Conwy CBC on remembering that there are towns other than Llandudno within the county borders.  It's about time!
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Post by: DaveR on June 03, 2014, 07:06:30 PM
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I'm led to believe all the plants have gone over to Colwyn bay in an attempt to brighten up the area around 'Port HairyArse' ( the skip)

I believe some of the residents of Colwyn Bay pay council tax and some businesses there pay rates so I think they're well within their rights to expect a few flowers get passed their way.  As a council tax payer who doesn't live in either Llandudno or Colwyn Bay I congratulate Conwy CBC on remembering that there are towns other than Llandudno within the county borders.  It's about time!
How much in the way of Business Rates does Colwyn Bay pull in compared to Llandudno, I wonder?
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Post by: llewelyn on June 04, 2014, 12:41:51 PM
There should be enough for all areas, in Oswestry last night a number of gardeners edging lawns and weeding borders at 8pm, their park makes our displays look pathetic.  :-[
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: FatAndy on June 04, 2014, 03:42:05 PM
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I'm led to believe all the plants have gone over to Colwyn bay in an attempt to brighten up the area around 'Port HairyArse' ( the skip)

I believe some of the residents of Colwyn Bay pay council tax and some businesses there pay rates so I think they're well within their rights to expect a few flowers get passed their way.  As a council tax payer who doesn't live in either Llandudno or Colwyn Bay I congratulate Conwy CBC on remembering that there are towns other than Llandudno within the county borders.  It's about time!
How much in the way of Business Rates does Colwyn Bay pull in compared to Llandudno, I wonder?

I don't know but if you're proposing apportioning spending based on contribution it's worth bearing in mind that Llandudno only accounts for about 17% of the population of Conwy County so perhaps Llandudno should only be entitled to about 17% of the expenditure funding from Council Tax.  I'm sure 83% of the population of the county would be more than happy to see that happen.  And as the combined population of Colwyn Bay, Old Colwyn and Llysfaen is roughly the same as that of Llandudno then they should get roughly the same expenditure.  That clearly hasn't always been the case when you consider that Llandudno's underutilised seafront monstrosity was built on a far greater scale than Colwyn Bay's underutilised seafront monstrosity. 

But that aside in these austerity times the council shouldn't be wasting money on planting flowers when there are far more pressing needs - social care, education, highway maintenance, etc.  What Conwy CBC need to do is follow the lead of other councils which have flower bed sponsorship schemes set up.  Get the likes of M&S, McDonald's and the St. George's Hotel pay for the flowers so the council can fritter it's money away on trivialities like care homes, social workers and schools.
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Post by: Ian on June 04, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
Here are the  stats from the 2011 census for both towns.
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Post by: born2run on June 04, 2014, 04:51:27 PM
What are the 'caravan or temporary structure' stats about? I thought it was the law you couldn't live in one year round?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on June 04, 2014, 04:53:46 PM
If you look at spending, then Colwyn Bay gets far more than Llandudno for capital projects.

*takes deep breath* Porth Eirias, the entire promenade being rebuilt at a cost of £81m*, the new Rugby centre in Eirias Park, a completely revamped Theatr Colwyn, a completely revamped Station Road, a completely revamped Penrhyn Road, a completely revamped Sea View Road, Market Hall project, millions spent on the Townscape Heritage Initiative project, many more millions spent on renovating housing within central Colwyn Bay, acquisition of Government Buildings in Coed Pella road.....and probably a few more than I've missed!

Costs of all the above? Well, I found these two articles:

*"Conwy Council’s coastal defence strategy proposes  a programme of phased improvement works to bolster  the existing sea wall and maintenance of defences over the next hundred years. The Council has estimated that the construction and long term management of the Colwyn Bay defence strategy will cost around £81m."
http://wales.gov.uk/newsroom/environmentandcountryside/2014/140227colwyn/?lang=en (http://wales.gov.uk/newsroom/environmentandcountryside/2014/140227colwyn/?lang=en)

"The award of a £594,900 development grant is part of a wider £56 million regeneration of the town."
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2013-05-24/grant-for-historic-pier/ (http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2013-05-24/grant-for-historic-pier/)

If I look at Llandudno in the last 10 years, I can think of the Railway Station (£5m), the Swimming Pool (£6m) and Venue Cymru (£11m). That equates to a total of £22m spent in the last ten years, compared with £137m in Colwyn Bay.
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Post by: DaveR on June 04, 2014, 04:57:16 PM
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in these austerity times the council shouldn't be wasting money on planting flowers when there are far more pressing needs - social care, education, highway maintenance, etc.  What Conwy CBC need to do is follow the lead of other councils which have flower bed sponsorship schemes set up.  Get the likes of M&S, McDonald's and the St. George's Hotel pay for the flowers so the council can fritter it's money away on trivialities like care homes, social workers and schools.
You just don't get it, Andy. Tourism is the lifeblood of Llandudno..and North Wales, for that matter. Without attractive, well maintained public areas, visitors will simply not return. It's that simple.
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Post by: wrex on June 04, 2014, 06:30:46 PM
Unfortunatley like Fatandy CCBC don,t get it either.
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Post by: FatAndy on June 05, 2014, 12:29:30 PM
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Here are the  stats from the 2011 census for both towns.

And here are the ones for Old Colwyn and Llysfaen which for some reason have been seperated out of Colwyn Bay.

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/538/2011_Census_area_profile__Old_Colwyn.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/538/2011_Census_area_profile__Old_Colwyn.pdf)
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/535/2011_Census_area_profile__Llysfaen.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/535/2011_Census_area_profile__Llysfaen.pdf)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on July 22, 2014, 10:03:34 AM
Interesting post from Guto Bebb (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1462.msg74572/topicseen.html#msg74572) in which he makes public the fact that the retiring Chief Education officer - Geraint James - is to be given a redundancy package of £40,000 despite the man being about to retire, and having notified the CEO that he would be so doing some months earlier. In short, Bebb thinks this seems suspicious, since James (among others) was only appointed when Conwy was formed with the initial (but incredibly naive) hope that Conwy would keep costs down by sharing services.  Of course, that didn't happen, as CCBC people wanted to build their own little empire, so filled the place with spurious and unnecessary appointments. 

In short, CCBC are going to keep doing what they do best: spending Tax-payers' money completely unnecessarily and Guto Bebb deserves Kudos for having made this entire lamentable affair public.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 22, 2014, 10:07:52 AM
As I said on the other thread, very wrong!  &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on July 22, 2014, 11:13:42 AM
Don't you think an MP should live in the Constituency that he serves? Mr Bebb lives in Caernarfon, I believe.
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Post by: Yorkie on July 22, 2014, 11:26:43 AM
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Don't you think an MP should live in the Constituency that he serves? Mr Bebb lives in Caernarfon, I believe.

Not refering to any MP in particular, I think providing they are representing the people in their Constituency in an efficient and well regarded manner, they can live on the moon.  Half the time they are in London so it doesn't really matter where their home is.  Similar with MEP's or AM's.
County and Town Councillors are a different matter!  Too many different tiers of Government, I think!
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Post by: Greyhound on July 22, 2014, 12:11:34 PM
I imagine that with (I think) 5 school age children, he might be reluctant to uproot them to move, especially as it's easily commutable from Caernarfon.

My own view is that if they're serving it well then it's probably not necessary to move. I also think that, as with teachers, it's pretty beneficial for your own sanity not to live in the immediate area as people could turn up at your house at all hours and harass you when you're just nipping to the shop for a pint of milk. Although MP's obviously should be accessible, I think they deserve to be anonymous some of the time and I am not sure that's always possible if they live directly in the heart of the area.
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Post by: DaveR on July 22, 2014, 12:21:41 PM
Is he serving it well though? I've never seen him in Llandudno and no-one I know ever mentions him.

What has he done about the Pier Pavilion site issue, surely Llandudno's biggest and most long running eyesore? I found a two sentence comment from him about it in an old newspaper article from years ago. That's the sum total of his work to sort it out.

Considering he earns £65k a year and collects £170k in Expenses, perhaps he could stir himself a little more out of Caernarfon occasionally?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Greyhound on July 22, 2014, 12:28:29 PM
Although I think he's a good MP and very responsive when you get in touch with him, I do agree that he should be a lot more of a doorstep campaigner. Pavement politics is important, especially somewhere like North Wales.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: norman08 on July 22, 2014, 02:46:05 PM
As dave says.   What has he done for Llandudno ,  he said he had to vote in the commons when they had the meetings for the beach ,he there for a photo, t hey are in it for what they can get ,£100 1st class at least from Bangor
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on July 22, 2014, 02:57:28 PM
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Don't you think an MP should live in the Constituency that he serves? Mr Bebb lives in Caernarfon, I believe.

Not sure it's relevant that much in this day and age. But what about what he's saying?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on July 23, 2014, 08:37:52 AM
Well, the Geraint James story has hit the BBC News:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-28415795 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-28415795)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on July 23, 2014, 09:03:39 AM
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Don't you think an MP should live in the Constituency that he serves? Mr Bebb lives in Caernarfon, I believe.

Not sure it's relevant that much in this day and age. But what about what he's saying?
I agree that what he's saying re CCBC is absolutely correct..

As far as living in the Constituency goes, I believe an MP needs to be out and about in the Community every day, not just holding formal sessions once a week etc. You might say that Mr Bebb doesn't want to move his children to Llandudno or doesn't wish to be bothered by his constituents all the time. I would suggest that no-one is forcing him to stand for MP and plenty of people more committed to the local area could do the job just as well. If he's happy to collect £200k+ a year from the taxpayer, then he could put a little more effort in maybe?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on July 23, 2014, 09:14:03 AM
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As far as living in the Constituency goes, I believe an MP needs to be out and about in the Community every day, not just holding formal sessions once a week etc.

I don't know, really. He'll always have a massive mailbag of complaints and questions from his constituents each day to get through, then there'll be party business, lobbying meetings, heaps of admin to do and that's all before House business. But I suppose you might have a point, in that he could be more geographically accessible.
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Post by: DaveR on September 10, 2014, 10:47:29 AM
Denbighshire councillors reluctantly agree to back merger with Conwy
Published date: 10 September 2014 | Published by: Rebecca Cole

COUNCILLORS have reluctantly agreed to back plans to broach a voluntary merger with a neighbouring authority.

Members of Denbighshire Council followed the recommendation of chief executive Mohammed Mehmet to open talks with Conwy Council as the Welsh Government looks to reduce the number of local authorities in the country as part of its ‘reforming local government’ programme.

Mr Mehmet, reassured councillors any agreement would be dependent on both councils securing a "substantial financial and support package" from the Welsh Government which must be agreed to before proceeding.

Many councillors criticised the timing of the restructure claiming it would be a costly exercise when local councils were already battling huge budget cuts.

Mr Mehmet admitted a voluntary merger would not be easy but it had "potential positives" which could help lessen the blow.

However county councillor for Llangollen Stuart Davies warned Dee Valley residents would feel isolated and claimed many felt no connection to Conwy and favoured looking East to Wrexham, though he admitted his political views had not allowed him to support this view in the past.

"I always said we should stick to the status quo but we can't do that,” he explained.

"There are a lot of concerns about where these county councils are going to meet, for example where the buildings will be, and there's a lot of noise about looking towards Wrexham.

"I was against that ... however, with the thought of having to go to Conwy, we're going to be left out on a limb."

Mr Mehmet said the possibility of Denbighshire merging with Wrexham was unrealistic and the council eventually backed his recommendation that the authority express an interest in voluntarily merging with Conwy by April 2018 instead of waiting for a compulsory merger later on.

Cllr Hugh Evans, leader of the council, agreed he preferred the status quo and felt like the council’s back was “against the wall” but supported Mr Mehmet by saying a merger was inevitable and signing up on a voluntary rather than compulsory basis would be better for the county.

“It’s important we take control of our destiny and (a voluntary merger) is the right thing to do in my opinion,” he said.

A number of councillors also expressed concerns about the Welsh Government’s ability to help the council through a voluntary merger but Mr Mehmet suggested the two authorities combined had the potential of becoming the “powerhouse” of Wales by taking the lead.

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138014/denbighshire-councillors-reluctantly-agree-to-back-merger-with-conwy.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138014/denbighshire-councillors-reluctantly-agree-to-back-merger-with-conwy.aspx)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Fester on September 10, 2014, 11:14:10 PM
Those Councillors are simply making noises about protecting their own positions.
I can see NOTHING in that entire article about enhancing the service provision to those citizens who employ them, merely that they feel like they are having to merge at the point of a gun.

They also bleat on about it only happening if they secure a large financial package from the Welsh Assembly.
Presumably that will simply be to pay for THEIR cushy exit awards, or redundancies.

When, Oh when will these supposed ''public servants'' wake up and realise that these County Council mergers are about SAVING largesums of public money, not demanding more of it?

Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on September 11, 2014, 07:27:23 AM
I found it quite an amusing article. One or two things sprang out:

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Many councillors criticised the timing of the restructure claiming it would be a costly exercise when local councils were already battling huge budget cuts.

Never seemed to worry them last time, when the old counties were split up to make more and smaller councils which worked out costing significantly more than the old, much larger, bodies.

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"I always said we should stick to the status quo but we can't do that,” he explained.


Sop nothing should change, then? Original take for any councillor.

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with the thought of having to go to Conwy, we're going to be left out on a limb."

Pity there's no way to reach Conwy from the Dee valley.  What's that? Roads, you say? When were they constructed?

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When, Oh when will these supposed ''public servants'' wake up and realise that these County Council mergers are about SAVING large sums of public money, not demanding more of it?

Never, I suspect.

Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: FatAndy on September 11, 2014, 09:16:18 AM
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with the thought of having to go to Conwy, we're going to be left out on a limb."

Pity there's no way to reach Conwy from the Dee valley.  What's that? Roads, you say? When were they constructed?

What the Councillor was saying is that people in Llangollen would prefer to be in the same county as Wrexham rather than get lumped in with Conwy.  I'm sure there's been a campaign in the past to get the town moved from Denbighshire into Wrexham County so this is nothing new.  It's an argument that makes complete sense as well.  It's about an hours drive each way from Llangollen to Conwy (the town) and by public transport the quickest route would be a bus to Ruabon and then a train to Conwy which would take about two hours each way and cost £25+ (unless you've got a bus pass).  In the organisation I work for whenever we get clients living in Llangollen we always refer them to our Wrexham office rather than our Denbighshire office (which is in Rhyl) and I'm sure lots of other places also effectively treat Llangollen as being in Wrexham county as well so why not make that official.

The other way to consider this is that if Llangollen was part of a merged Conwy/Denbighshire county then would you be happy to have to travel to Llangollen if for example you had to meet with a council officer?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 05, 2014, 09:15:37 AM
Extract....draft Welsh Government budget as axe falls on local government

"But the biggest overall loser was local government which has already been warned to expect a 4.5% cut and council leaders warned their cash-strapped authorities were at ‘tipping point’ after fresh £154m of cuts and ‘some services could disappear’ along with jobs."

“While council leaders understand the pressures being placed on the overall Welsh budget, many of the services that communities take for granted are now at risk, including leisure centres, libraries, community facilities and day centres. “Redundancies will unfortunately become unavoidable, and I fear for the future of services that provide critical support to the most vulnerable in the community.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/nhs-big-winner-draft-welsh-7862068 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/nhs-big-winner-draft-welsh-7862068)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on October 05, 2014, 10:49:55 AM
I think that Councils deliberately cut frontline services, to protect their own cushy jobs. It's always interesting to see the very well paid jobs are advertised on the CCBC website at a time of apparent 'extreme austerity'.  &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on October 05, 2014, 11:41:16 AM
Here's an interesting quote:

"By its very nature local government is bound to provoke more complaints than central authorities. We believe that committee meetings should be open as of right as many councils are too secretive".

Made in May, 1966, by a front bench spokesman for Wilson's Government, it shows how far things have come since then...

Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 05, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
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Here's an interesting quote:
"By its very nature local government is bound to provoke more complaints than central authorities. We believe that committee meetings should be open as of right as many councils are too secretive".
Made in May, 1966, by a front bench spokesman for Wilson's Government, it shows how far things have come since then...

I am not sure if it just me, but the few "open" web cam. meetings I have viewed, leave me non the wiser, when you take out the protocols, the thank you's, the references to files number this or that, he/she is following up on. etc. they are saying nothing, so I wonder if it would make much difference.

I think there must be a civil servant course in evasive dialogue... WWW
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: DaveR on October 05, 2014, 04:52:57 PM
Committee meetings are generally a sham, in my view. The real decisions are taken by Council staff, who may have their own agendas to propogate and who, of course, are not accountable in any way to the electorate.  &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 05, 2014, 05:19:34 PM
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Committee meetings are generally a sham, in my view. The real decisions are taken by Council staff, who may have their own agendas to propogate and who, of course, are not accountable in any way to the electorate.  &shake&
I said somewhere before, just like ...."Yes Minister"    :)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 08, 2014, 06:24:59 PM
£146m axed from council budgets in Wales

Councils in Wales have been told they will get £146m less in 2015-16 from the Welsh government.

Public Services Minister Leighton Andrews said local authorities will get £4.12bn in their block grants - an overall cut of 3.4% on this year.
Ministers insist none of Wales' 22 councils will see an individual cut of more than 4.5%.

Conservative shadow local government minister Janet Finch-Saunders described Mr Andrews' announcement as a "tough Labour settlement", arguing Labour ministers should have frozen council taxes, a policy followed in England and Scotland.
"This would have eased the pressure on hardworking families and facilitated the prevention of huge hikes in bills," she added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-29539935 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-29539935)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 08, 2014, 09:08:19 PM
North Wales council tax payers warned to expect bigger bills as services face cuts

Council tax payers in North Wales were warned to expect bigger bills as services are axed under a tough financial squeeze.
Leaders of local authorities warned ‘a tipping point’ had been reached in finances that could result in the ‘disappearance of key services’.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-council-tax-payers-7906036 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-council-tax-payers-7906036)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Jonty Hammers on October 09, 2014, 08:28:12 AM
While I think some councils/councillors across Wales have been at least a smidgen guilty of wanting to protect their positions when opposing mergers, many have voiced a reasonable set of grievances with the proposed plans. Calling the proposals set out in the White Paper "options" was something of a contradiction in terms (it was option one and er...that's it!), and the WG hasn't set out much in the way of guidance on how much the whole thing is going to cost.

I'm all for a "spend to save" mentality and if, in the long run, that's what the Welsh Government wants to do then bully for them - but bringing in a bureaucratic reshuffle at a time widely touted as one of public sector austerity is an own goal on the government's part.

There needs to be far more discussion over a wider set of options (redrawing the maps and boundaries altogether would be a good start - the example of Llangollen cited earlier on hits the nail on the head; I've friends there and they've always said their links are strongest with Wrexham, and they'd be out on a limb if they were incorporated in to a new Conbighshire/Dinwy authority).

While it might be regressive, I'd think we couldn't go far wrong in bringing back something a bit like the old Gwynedd and Clwyd authorities. The major obstacle they'd have to avoid is forcing people to drive dozens of miles if they had any problems with their civic services (that said, people in Ysbyty Ifan, which falls under Conwy Borough, already have to drive 20-odd miles if they want to get to Bodlondeb).
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 09, 2014, 10:18:42 AM
BBC WALES NEWS VIDEO

Council cuts and senior managers' pay
8 October 2014 Last updated at 21:51 BST
As councils have been told their budgets will be slashed by £146m next year, BBC Wales economics correspondent Sarah Dickins considers whether savings could be made by cutting the wage bill for senior managers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29546626 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29546626)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting BUDGET CUTS
Post by: SteveH on October 09, 2014, 02:55:03 PM
North Wales council budgets slashed by up to 4.3 per cent

Conwy County Council is the region's hardest hit authority in the Welsh Government's Budget settlement for the 2015-2016 financial year, with a drop from £158 million down to £151.2 million.

“These cuts will inevitably lead to further cuts in services and I am concerned that households in both Conwy and Denbighshire will see yet another increase in their council tax as a result. “

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139231/north-wales-council-budgets-slashed-by-up-to-4-3-per-cent.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139231/north-wales-council-budgets-slashed-by-up-to-4-3-per-cent.aspx)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 10, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
GOOD NEWS BAD NEWS
Best thread I could think of for this.....Over the weekend, our low level street sign broke all but one of it's rivets, the result a clanging, dangerous obstacle especially for children, I did a quick fix with some wire, and yesterday phoned the council and reported the fault, and as I type, I can hear the drilling and replacement rivets being fitted, job finished in 10 minutes, now you cannot complain over that can you,all done in 24 hours, makes a change from what you usually hear on here..... $good$

Now then yesterdays phone call, approx 30 minutes, I am not complaining about the delays or being shuttled from one dept. to another, but,.... it took me 20 min's. to convince them we did not need a new sign...without question they were going to have a new sign made, I said the sign was in perfect condition and if they were quick, it only needed a few rivets, and would save money, It got through when I said tax payers money... $angry$
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: ormegolf on October 10, 2014, 07:48:07 PM
  Very good SteveH. But how many of us have the time and the patience to do what you did. I'm afraid I hav'ent. If I hadn't hung up the phone in desperation, I would have said "please yourself if you want to stick a new sign up." There we are, you are to be admired but my slightly volatile patience wouldn't have let me do it.
  Whilst in this thread Jonty Hammers stated he thought it might be a bit regressive to bring back something like the old giant Gwynedd and Clwyd county councils.
   Yes, you could be right. But don't forget it was'ent just these two super councils and they were broken up and the new boundaries.
   Its a good while ago, over 25 years, but I am reasonably sure a whole tier of local government was wiped out at the same time. I think it was the big two, then smaller councils like Rhyl, Llandudno, then very small parish councils, town councils call them what you like.
   So you could have three councils operating in the same patch. As an example the big councils were responsible for the main transport road links, the A55 as an example. But smaller roads, maybe Mostyn Street, would be Llandudnos responsibility. I do know that this led to friction between councils. I remember some village council laying in to Clwyd in the enormous Shire Hall in Mold because one of their lorries was being parked at night and they claimed in was damaging their village green.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Fester on October 11, 2014, 12:27:42 AM
Conwy Council and others are stating very clearly that the new level of funding will lead to both increased Council Tax bills, and some reduction in essential services.

Well, I am sick of such talk when we are being taxed to death, yet there are armies of managers on SIX figures salaries.
I would say that some some essential services have been been reducing already.

When you gave someone the title 'Manager', and incidentally pay them an enormous sum, is it unreasonable to expect them to 'Manage'?   $angry$ $angry$

Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on October 11, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
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there are armies of managers on SIX figures salaries.

How many in CCBC enjoy that level of remuneration?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Cambrian on October 11, 2014, 08:59:07 AM
When we had Gwynedd and Clwyd, we also had District or Borough Councils which provided most of the traditional local government services - waste, housing, public health, planning, leisure facilities and so on.  The two Counties dealt principally with education, social services, highways, fire service and strategic planning.


Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 11, 2014, 09:05:24 AM
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there are armies of managers on SIX figures salaries.
How many in CCBC enjoy that level of remuneration?
Slightly related to the above, I still would like to see a breakdown of the Venue Cymru yearly salary amount of £1.700,000.... >>>
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Fester on October 11, 2014, 07:23:59 PM
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there are armies of managers on SIX figures salaries.

How many in CCBC enjoy that level of remuneration?

I hoped you wouldn't ask me that, but.... from memory recall that over 200 CCBC officials earn more than £60k per year.
Something like 60 employees earn more than £100k per year.   I believe that the CEO gets approx £200k (or did)
I think I saw the exact figures quoted on here a couple of years ago, but it might have been Oscar, or it might have been the Weekly News.
I remember being astounded at the time.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 14, 2014, 02:05:41 PM
Conwy County Council facing 'worst case scenario' budget cuts

CONWY County Council is facing a “worst case scenario” with its funding slashed 4.3 by the Welsh Government.
The county is the hardest hit in the region in last week’s Welsh Government Budget settlement for 2015-2016, with the biggest funding drop from £158 million down to £151.2 million.
The council’s finance bosses are looking at “additional income from Council Tax” as a result.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139414/conwy-county-council-facing-worst-case-scenario-budget-cuts.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139414/conwy-county-council-facing-worst-case-scenario-budget-cuts.aspx)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: viv on October 14, 2014, 08:58:45 PM
On top of that, Conwy Councillors also get paid handsomely  - some are worth it, others are just hangers on and don't do a lot for their money. Extra payments for being on Committees particularly if they are the Chair. Plus the expenses that they claim too. And the Cabinet members get even more with their "portfolios" which has the effect of pushing the other councillors down to "also ran" status, much to their annoyance. And are these Cabinet individuals all experts in their subjects? Like hell they are -all political appointments. And we are supposed to be a democracy. Democracy my a**e! When are they going to have their salaries cut? Nice work if you can get it!
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 14, 2014, 09:16:59 PM
Would be nice to see list of individual's total payments for a year.
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Fester on October 14, 2014, 10:56:59 PM
All this talk of cutting fundamental services, and also increasing Council Tax bills.

Yet, CCBC will spend MY money on a public fireworks display.   How can this be justified?   $angry$ $angry$
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on October 15, 2014, 07:53:06 AM
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Yet, CCBC will spend MY money on a public fireworks display.   How can this be justified?

The justification for public FW displays is and always has been the safety argument. By having large displays they hope fewer people will do their own, which is where some horrendous accidents take place.

The point you made about the six-figure salaries in CCBC is interesting. If we could get detailed figures (and why not?) then we could see where serious savings could be made. But what we really need, of course, is the same legislation that Switzerland and many US states have for voting down unpopular tax increases. Wonder if any politician would be prepared to champion such a cause?
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Yorkie on October 15, 2014, 07:55:53 AM
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All this talk of cutting fundamental services, and also increasing Council Tax bills.

Yet, CCBC will spend MY money on a public fireworks display.   How can this be justified?   $angry$ $angry$

The Firework Display is organised by the Town Council and funded from the Annual Precept they receive which is a few ££££'s per head of the population to run the Council, its services and for local Grants.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: dingo20 on October 15, 2014, 08:15:19 AM
I agree about the tramway I always think you could run a Christmas tram and have a santas grotto at the summit. If I rang the tram I would have a conductor who could sell trinkets to a captive audience maybe ice creams in the summer
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 15, 2014, 09:30:40 AM
The TaxPayers' Alliance is Britain's independent grassroots campaign for lower taxes

We have collated the information for every local authority in the UK for both 2010-11 and 2011-12 so that the public can see what their locally elected representatives are paid for the role, which many have viewed historically as a voluntary position.
The councils paying the highest basic allowance to councillors (by type of authority)
Welsh Council – Seven councils pay £13,868, namely Bridgend, Carmarthenshire, Conwy, Monmouthshire, Rhondda Cynon Taff, Torfaen, and Vale of Glamorgan
Matthew Sinclair, Chief Executive of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said:
 “With local authorities up and down the country having to rein in spending and many public sector staff facing a pay freeze, those councillors who have awarded themselves an increase in their allowances in defiance of government advice should hang their heads in shame. They cannot retain the moral authority to make tough decisions on council spending if they believe their own allowances should be immune. Many taxpayers will be surprised at how much the amount paid varies from one council to the next. Why do Manchester councillors each need nearly £16,000 per year when their counterparts in neighbouring Trafford happily carry out their duties for barely £6,000? Local people should be able to see how much cash their councillors are taking in allowances and compare the cost with nearby councils. This kind of transparency will allow them to decide for themselves whether they are getting good value for money.”

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/2012/08/taxpayers-alliance-reveals-highest-lowest-paid-councillors-uk.html (http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/2012/08/taxpayers-alliance-reveals-highest-lowest-paid-councillors-uk.html)

Low pay is deterring many people who are thinking of becoming a local councillor, a report by MPs has said.
The Local Government Select Committee said councillors had a right to expect an "appropriate level of compensation".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20967913 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20967913)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 15, 2014, 10:10:32 AM
Bridgend County Borough      http://www.bridgend.gov.uk/web/groups/public/documents/democracy/016085.hcsp
Found this very informative

Councillors Remuneration 
Remuneration is paid according to the findings of the Independent Remuneration Panel for Wales (IRPW) which sets out the levels for councillor payments in Wales. Councillors are not paid for attending meetings but receive a salary to reimburse them for the time and expenses incurred whilst on Council business. Members can also claim travel allowance for attendance at approved duties, the current rate is 45p per mile reducing to 25p per mile after 10,000 miles. To view the full Members’ Remuneration Scheme
Basic salary payable to all Members not receiving a senior or civic salary:£13,300
Leader  £48,000
Deputy Leader   £33,500
Cabinet Members   £29,000
Chairs of Overview and Scrutiny Committees   £22,000
Chairperson of Planning and Development Committee  £22,000
Chairpersons of committees listed below:    £22,000
Appeals Panel
Audit Committee
Licensing Committee
Leader of the largest opposition group  £22,000
Civic Salaries
Civic Head (Mayor)  £21,500
Deputy Civic Head (Deputy Mayor)   £16,000
Statutory co-optees
Chairperson of Standards Committee
£256 Daily Fee
£128 ½ Day Fee
Chairperson of Audit Committee (if they are a co-optee or Lay Member)
£256 Daily Fee
£128 ½ Day Fee
Statutory co-optees with voting rights – Standards Committee, Education OVSC, Audit Committee, Crime and Disorder OVSC
£198 Daily Fee
£99 ½ Day Fee
Statutory co-optees with voting rights – ordinary members of Standards Committee who also chair Standards Committees for Community Councils
£226 Daily Fee
£113 ½ Day Fee
Members Eligible to receive care allowance
of £403 per month
Last Updated: 15/07/2014
http://www.bridgend.gov.uk/web/groups/public/documents/democracy/016085.hcsp (http://www.bridgend.gov.uk/web/groups/public/documents/democracy/016085.hcsp)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Yorkie on October 15, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
WTF has Bridgend got to do with us?   WWW
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 15, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
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WTF has Bridgend got to do with us?   WWW
I do not know a lot about local politics, and as you know, I search for info....Bridgend came up, as the only council I could find with a (IRPW) based financial breakdown and "transparency", and I was surprised by the difference in the basic salary of £13,300 and the other salaries up to £48,000 plus "daily rates", bearing in mind that their might be others in a similar ignorant state, I thought I would share my info. so thats WTF I put it on here.  WWW   :)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 23, 2014, 02:42:14 PM
Llandudno’s aerial ladder has already been lost....
"There are 1,700 tall buildings in Llandudno which are on a list which stipulates an ALP should attend if fire breaks out in them."
What's next....

228 firefighter jobs at risk in north Wales budget review

More than 220 firefighters' jobs could be lost in north Wales if its funding is not increased by £3.3m over the next five years, bosses have warned.

The North Wales Fire and Rescue Authority said years of cuts mean core services may be hit in the future.
A range of options include axing 228 jobs and closing seven retained fire stations and removing engines, leaving areas without local part-time support.
The authority is funded from councils via residents' council tax payments.
However, it says its near £32m budget has changed little in the last five years although council tax payments have increased.
It says this has already led to cuts of £2.4m (£800,000 annually since 2010/11) to pay for "unavoidable cost increases"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29739597 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29739597)

This is one cut, we can do without....
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 23, 2014, 09:52:10 PM
Conwy Council needs to find £37m savings over three years

A local authority faces having to make “eyewatering” savings of £37m in the next three years, a finance chief warned today.

But it has already found £6.8m savings towards cuts to be made for the financial year starting next April.

The Welsh Government’s provisional grant for Conwy Council for 2015-2016 has been cut by 4.3%, the joint third biggest reduction of Wales’s 22 local authorities.

Andrew Kirkham, Conwy’s finance chief, said the authority will need to make an “eyewatering” total of £37m savings by 2017-2018.

The authority expects to need to find £16m savings in 2015-2016, £12m in 2016-2017 and £9m in 2017-2018.

But in a presentation to a full Conwy Council meeting at Bodlondeb, Mr Kirkham said: “The general ‘mood music’ within Conwy is ‘keep calm and don’t panic’, although everybody acknowledges that difficult decisions will need to be made.”

The shortfall could be made up of efficiency cuts and savings, but not “slashing and burning”, he said.

“All 22 authorities face price pressures, expectations of service demands, an aging population and increasingly we are coping with the Welsh Government’s (insistence) that we protect schools,” added Mr Kirkham.
But Cllr Dave Cowans, a former finance spokesman, denied Conwy would copy Isle of Anglesey County Council’s decision to offer its entire 3,300-strong workforce voluntary redundancy to balance its books. It was “not the way forward in terms of relations”, he said.
The meeting heard Conwy still has the fourth lowest Band D council tax in Wales at £964.89 a year.

Cllr Phil Edwards, Conwy’s new social care and housing spokesman, wondered if a lower settlement grant was due to Conwy’s low council tax.
ut a Welsh Government spokesman said: “The distribution of the funding reflects the population within each authority, the number of pupils, the length of roads and the number of properties in the different council tax bands, sparsity and deprivation.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-council-needs-find-37m-7989552#rlabs=5 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-council-needs-find-37m-7989552#rlabs=5)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: SteveH on October 25, 2014, 10:36:43 AM
Should Welsh Ministers ditch their chauffeur-driven Volvos? Opposition demand scrapping the Ministerial fleet after costs soar

Opposition figures have demanded the Welsh Government scraps its fleet of ministerial cars – after it was revealed it had cost more than £400,000 since the last election.

The Welsh Conservatives said ministers should follow Welsh Secretary Stephen Crabb, who ditched the Wales Office’s Jaguar days after being appointed to replace David Jones last month.

Figures revealed in a written answer from the government revealed costs of buying, maintaining and running the fleet of 10 chauffeur-driven Volvo S80 saloons had soared by more than 50% in the past year to nearly £175,000.
But the Welsh Government said the Tories’ demands betrayed a “complete lack of understanding” about the workings of government.
It comes after Mr Crabb elected to ditch his £100,000-a-year, taxpayer-funded Jaguar limousine days after becoming Secretary of State for Wales last month.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/should-welsh-ministers-ditch-chauffeur-driven-7665022#rlabs=5 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/should-welsh-ministers-ditch-chauffeur-driven-7665022#rlabs=5)
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Micox on October 26, 2014, 05:20:35 PM
I could give you the Norfolk figures but you'd only get more bored than you are.  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Yorkie on October 27, 2014, 07:16:17 AM
We get too many figures and statistics on the Forum for my liking!   :D
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 27, 2014, 08:24:41 AM
On average, 37.6545% too many statistics appear!   :twoface:
Title: Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
Post by: Ian on October 27, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
 _))* _))* _))*

I knew it!  I was holding back.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting 5%increase
Post by: SteveH on November 04, 2014, 10:39:26 AM
Taxpayers in Conwy face another 5% increase in council tax

The increase was suggested as Conwy council discussed its preliminary financial planning up to 2018.
Next year’s rise comes on the back of a 5% increase in April 2014. It means a Band D household will be expected to pay £1,013 a year.
The new wave of austerity was discussed at a principal overview and scrutiny meeting yesterday.

Andrew Kirkham, head of finance, said despite the increase Conwy would still be the cheapest authority in North Wales for council tax.
He said: “In order to make up for the 4.3% cut in settlement from the Welsh Government we would have to raise council tax by 14.8%.
“However our assumptions are for a 5% increase, which will be seen as 'acceptable' by the Welsh Government.”

Cllr Sam Rowlands said the authority could not continue to rely on such a large increase in council tax.
He said: “We need to get out of the trap of 5% increase year on year. How do we get out of this cycle?
“I think our residents would understand if services were increasing as well but they are not.”
He asked if Conwy could commit to lessening the council tax demand if the final settlement from Welsh Government was higher than anticipated.

Mr Kirkham said: “Until we identify non-recurring resources it would be reckless to commit ourselves to a council tax cut reduction.”
He explained Conwy Council have been using one-time only grants in the budget to help “buy time” but conceded “it is not sustainable”.

New finance portfolio holder Cllr Mike Priestley said: “It’s more than a mountain to climb but we have an excellent team here in Conwy to tackle the challenge.
“But we cannot underestimate the forthcoming challenges we will face financially.”

The authority expected a cut in the Welsh Government settlement of 1.9%.

Conwy Council will attempt to lessen the blows to services by tapping into £28.4m worth of reserves but only £2.9m of that is available.

Chief executive Iwan Davies said the council had complained about their settlement distribution but added: “Assembly members are in the best place to criticize Conwy’s settlement level if they have issues with it.”
RefDailyPost
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: norman08 on November 04, 2014, 02:11:32 PM
Quote ,, mike priestley , we have a great team here  _))* _))*, they all know how to waste Our money , north shore and they are back again ,reforming the rocks ,they will be back after Xmas , venue Cymru and the biggest waste the big skip in the bay.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on November 04, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
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Quote ,, mike priestley , we have a great team here  they all know how to waste Our money , north shore and they are back again ,reforming the rocks ,they will be back after Xmas , venue Cymru and the biggest waste the big skip in the bay.
Maybe the "Team" will finally have a look at the Venue Cymru £1.700.000 wage bill........ >>>

In the above statement not one suggestion on how to save money    “We need to get out of the trap of 5% increase year on year. How do we get out of this cycle? ......start by doing your (Well paid) job... $angry$
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: DaveR on June 26, 2015, 09:25:24 AM
This always makes me laugh when I see it in Rhos. Why not just give the original cast iron nameplate a coat of paint instead of replacing it with a cheap new one? Such a lack of common sense!
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Nemesis on June 26, 2015, 09:58:55 AM
The nameplate on the one in Salisbury Road has dropped/been helped off in the last few weeks.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on August 03, 2015, 12:34:23 PM
An item from the D.Post

COUNCIL RESERVES: A Conwy Council committee is this morning hearing that the authority had £26.753m in cash backed reserves and balances as at March 31, 2015.

 Many authorities hold reserves for a variety of reasons
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Fester on February 12, 2016, 04:34:09 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35557725 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35557725)

This is just brilliant and I can't help wondering how many such people inhabit offices in councils in England or Wales?.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on March 25, 2016, 04:52:17 PM
This is how much your council tax has gone up this year compared to everyone else in Wales

Every local authority in Wales has put its council tax up this year.
The average Band D council tax bills in Wales are rising by a total of 3.5 per cent.
The highest rise is for Blaenau Gwent residents who will face an average rise of £60. The lowest is in Caerphilly where the average rise is £19.

As a percentage, the rise varies from 4.4% in Conwy - the biggest increase in the country - to just 1.5% in Caerphilly.
Residents of Monmouthshire, Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire also face rises of more than 4% when all council and police charges are taken into account.

However, the average Band D bill does not tell the full story.
Council tax bands are based on the historic value of each property. That means that in Blaenau Gwent, where properties tend to be cheaper, most houses fall into lower bands. People in those homes do not pay the full Band D bill.
In terms of the amount people actually pay - the average bill per dwelling - Monmouthshire has the most expensive council tax in Wales for 2016/17, at £1,573.
Conwy
What’s the percentage rise? 4.4%
How much will an average Band D property pay? £1,342
How much extra will you pay this year? £56

More...  http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/how-much-your-council-tax-11095300 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/how-much-your-council-tax-11095300)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on March 28, 2016, 01:28:30 PM
Conwy taxpayers' £20k bill for councillor who attended just a third of meetings...because he works away as a sea captain

A Conwy councillor earned almost £20,000 of taxpayers’ cash while attending only a third of his meetings - because he works away as a sea captain.
Cllr Jobi Hold has only been to 17 of 50 Conwy council meetings in the last 18 months, and during that time has been skippering boats for a Netherlands-based company working in the oil and gas industry.
The Labour Mostyn ward member said he was able to keep up with council business via his iPad.
But he admitted that being away meant he was sometimes not able to vote on important issues affecting his constituents.
He told the Daily Post: “Considering how things work nowadays with social media and internet, I have always got my iPad with me and I’m still dealing with issues when I’m away.”
When asked what he now intended to do about the situation, he said: “At this moment in time I’m not too sure.”

Harry Davis, campaign manager at the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “Councillors are elected to make decisions on behalf of their constituents.
“For them to do this, they have to attend the meetings.
“Taxpayers have every right to feel aggrieved and will question whether they are really being represented and receiving value for money.”

Cllr Hold received £19,950 from Conwy council in the last 18 months.
Leader and cabinet positions and payments made to committee chairs cost Conwy’s taxpayers about £500,000 a year.
After an Independent Remuneration Panel for Wales (IRPW) report suggested keeping allowances at the same rate for 2016/17, the Daily Post approached the council to ask whether members had considered reducing their payments voluntarily.

A council spokeswoman said: “Members were given the opportunity to comment on the IRPW’s draft report for 2016/17.
“The Democratic Services Committee reviewed the draft report and formulated a response on behalf of the council.
“But it’s worth noting that individual councillors can decide to forego part or all of their salary if they want.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-taxpayers-20k-bill-councillor-11102496 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-taxpayers-20k-bill-councillor-11102496)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Fester on March 28, 2016, 01:45:50 PM
Council members and politicians are broadly all as bad, (these days),  but this gravy train will rumble on because we let it continue.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Hugo on March 28, 2016, 02:09:12 PM
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Council members and politicians are broadly all as bad, (these days),  but this gravy train will rumble on because we let it continue.

It's not that long ago since  the  Conservative Councillor Steve Wolfe was in the news, he moved to London and was reported to have kept claiming his allowance even though he never attended a meeting for over 6 months. It was also reported that he never returned his Council owned lap-top computer, perhaps only a few hundred pounds but, after all, our few hundred pounds.
Steve Wolfe was well reported in the local papers for his absence with fellow Councillors demanding his resignation and return of lap-top.
That's saying something when his fellow Councillors wanted his resignation!

Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Fester on March 28, 2016, 02:21:00 PM
I saw this comment on Facebook,

He is only getting away with what Conwy County Council are allowing him to do so, prehaps this is why we will have to have our bins emptied every three weeks, because the councilors would never vote to cut there salaries only the services they should provide.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on April 03, 2016, 12:12:42 PM
"Conwy taxpayers' £20k bill for councillor who attended just a third of meetings...because he works away as a sea captain"     The above post from the 28th march was bad enough, but todays reply from The leader of Conwy council ’s Labour group is farcical......... make you laugh?....Cry?.......probably both.   &shake&

Conwy sea skipper councillor's attendance defended by Labour leader

The leader of Conwy council ’s Labour group has defended a councillor who has only turned up to a third of meetings because he works away as a sea captain.
Councillor Chris Hughes said “the majority of decisions take place away from the chamber” in response to questions about Cllr Jobi Hold’s 34% attendance record.

The Mostyn ward representative on the council works away for six weeks at a time as a skipper for a Dutch merchant company but still picked up £20,000 in taxpayer cash in that time .

Cllr Hughes said he saw no conflict between Cllr Hold’s inability to make meetings and his ability to serve constituents.

He said: “He’s being working away but he’s still been doing a fair number of meetings. He is still actively doing his job.
“He has had this opportunity to work away for this period of time and he has taken this for the benefit of his family.
“It’s the cabinet which makes almost all the decisions.
“If you look at councillors attendance, I know it’s part of the job, but from my perspective the vast majority of decisions take place away from the chamber.”
Cllr Hughes said he accepted Cllr Hold’s attendance might not look good to the general public but insists performance and results matter more.
“There are issues around perception,” he continued.

“What I would say is that the job is significantly more than being in meetings.
“At the moment I see that Jobi is doing a fair amount of work.

“No one has expressed the view that he is not performing a service.”
Despite his defence of Cllr Hold, the Labour group leader did admit there was some disquiet over the affair.
He said: “I wouldn’t say we are happy, I would say that as far as we are aware he is acting on behalf of constitutents when they contact him.
“It can be as simple as picking up a phone.
“None of us ever know how active he is. All we know is what we actually see.

“I do know that Jobi is undertaking work for his constituents at this time.
“To what extent he is active in terms of the number of people who are contacting him, I don’t know as much about that.
“He does read agendas and he does contact his cabinet members about concerns from his constituents.
“It is certainly something we will keep abreast of as a group.”

Cllr Hughes said the acid test for any councillor is what they achieve for their constituents and reiterated this was not a concern for him regarding Cllr Hold.

“As a party we will always want to to see people out there are being represented,” he said.
“If I was seeing people weren’t being represented we would be taking that up.
“But from what I see and what I hear, he is doing what he is being asked to do by his constituents.”

When questioned about his attendance, Cllr Hold told the Daily Post that he kept on top of council business on his iPad while working away but said he might not always be able to be at meetings where issues affecting his constituents were being discussed and decided.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-sea-skipper-councillors-attendance-11130215 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-sea-skipper-councillors-attendance-11130215)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on May 18, 2016, 04:49:52 PM
Salaries for Conwy cabinet members reduced after full council vote
 
THE decision to reduce the salary of a council's cabinet members by nearly £3,000 was the right thing to do, a former cabinet member has said.

At a full council meeting on Thursday, May 12 councillors supported recommendations by the democratic services committee to reduce Conwy County Council cabinet members’ salaries from £29,000 to £26,100 following a report by the Independent Remuneration Panel for Wales.

Cllr Phil Edwards, who until January this year served as cabinet member for housing, social care and health, said: "We're in austere times.

"We're expecting more cuts to our budgets down the line and whilst that is continuing I agree that this is the time to show some leadership, and that it is the right and proper thing to do."

Cllr Chris Hughes, cabinet member for communities, said: "Members looked at it and decided what the level should be and it is what it is: it's democracy, that's how the systemis set up."

The supported recommendations, which came into effect immediately, also included the reduction in salary of committee chairs from £22,000 to £20,000 and that civic salaries remain unchanged at £21,500 for the chair of council and £16,000 for the vice-chair of council.    REF Pioneer
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on May 23, 2016, 06:21:06 PM
A Conwy councillor who couldn’t attend meetings because he was working away as a sea captain as resigned his seat.
Jobi Hold tendered his resignation with “immediate effect” on Tuesday May 17 from both Conwy County and Llandudno Town councils.

Mr Hold, who attended just 17 of 50 council meetings over an 18-month period while earning almost £20,000 of taxpayers cash, has moved with his family to Launceston, Cornwall.

The former councillor skippers boats for a Netherlands-based company working in the oil and gas industry and it is believed the move south had been planned for some time.

A spokeswoman for Conwy County Council confirmed: “Councillor Hold tendered his resignation on May 17 with immediate effect.”
He was a representative for Mostyn ward on both town and county councils on behalf of the Labour Party.
Mr Hold said he was able to keep up with council business via his iPad, although admitted being away meant he was sometimes unable to vote on important issues affecting his constituents.

He told the Daily Post: “Considering how things work nowadays with social media and internet, I have always got my iPad with me and I’m still dealing with issues when I’m away.”
Harry Davis, campaign manager at the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “Councillors are elected to make decisions on behalf of their constituents.
“For them to do this, they have to attend the meetings.
“Taxpayers have every right to feel aggrieved and will question whether they are really being represented and receiving value for money.”

Despite initially saying he was “not too sure” what he intended to do when news broke of the poor attendance, Mr Hold ultimately decided to relinquish his seats.
A by-election for the vacant county council seat will be held within 35 days as long as the returning officer receives such a request from two registered voters.
The vacant town council seat will be contested if 10 registered voters contact the democratic services officer at Conwy County Council by June 2.
REF DP

Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on June 16, 2016, 11:51:20 AM
Welsh councils are owed £86m in council tax with the total owed rising by nearly £1m in a year to its highest ever level.
As council tax bills grow, councils are collecting more money but the value of arrears is also bigger.

In 2015-16, billing authorities collected 97.2% of council tax billed, an increase of 0.1 percentage points compared to 2014-15. This is the highest collection rate since the introduction of council tax.

The total amount outstanding at March 31, 2016 was £85.91m, of which £37m was in-year arrears, up £1m from 2014-15. The arrears outstanding at the end of the 2015-16 financial year are the highest since 1996-97.

Conwy: £3,501,000  outstanding.......?

MORE.... http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/how-much-every-welsh-authority-11476627 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/how-much-every-welsh-authority-11476627)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on June 28, 2016, 11:41:36 AM
 :-}}} Conwy Council accidentally publish minutes of super school meeting BEFORE it takes place.

Blundering council workers have come under fire - for publishing draft minutes of a decision BEFORE the meeting to discuss it has actually taken place.

Conwy Council ’s cabinet is set to debate plans for a new super-school in Llandudno Junction during a special meeting today.

Education chiefs want to close the town’s Ysgol Maelgwn and Ysgol Nant y Coed and build a new school called Ysgol Awel Y Mynydd in their stead on land known as the Esgyryn site.

Council chiefs are due to discuss a number of topics relating to the move, including whether or not to start the formal process of amalgamating the two schools, during today’s meeting.

But draft minutes published on the council’s website appear to show that the decision has already been made.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/oops-conwy-council-accidentally-publish-11535001 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/oops-conwy-council-accidentally-publish-11535001)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: DaveR on June 28, 2016, 12:45:52 PM
Decisions taken by CCBC before a Meeting takes place? Surely not!!  :laugh:  &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Ian on June 28, 2016, 02:00:26 PM
Perish the thought   _))* _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Fester on June 28, 2016, 02:02:28 PM
Doesn't that, along with the Brexit back-pedalling, just some up politicians at every level.   &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Ian on June 28, 2016, 02:08:55 PM
Just had a thought: if we could find a judge who would regard promises made by politicians the same as goods purchased, we could do them under the Consumer Rights Act 2015...
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 28, 2016, 03:09:46 PM
I often wonder how are us ordinary citizens meant to know who to believe about politics! So much information told to us, we have not been trained in the subject so who to believe?  ?{}?
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: wrex on June 28, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
We have no rights now
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Ian on June 28, 2016, 03:32:00 PM
Actually, I'm not really surprised. Generally, the outcomes of most meetings are fixed in advance - usually through a word here, a nod there and promises made to those involved, so that the meeting is usually only a rubber stamping exercise. This is politics, although the politicians like to describe the process as 'briefings'. The only mistake they've made this time is to get caught.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: alw on June 28, 2016, 06:56:20 PM
Hey, be fair !

They have actually made a decision.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on January 16, 2017, 01:52:23 PM
North Wales councils have spent almost £500,000 on “town hall propaganda” since 2013.
The biggest spenders in North Wales were Conwy (£93,690) Denbighshire (£91,200) and Gwynedd councils (£83,864
Substantial sums are being spent by many Welsh councils on town hall propaganda, and taxpayers will rightly question why their hard earned cash is being spent on junk mail at a time when many frontline services are being cut.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/town-hall-propaganda-bill-05m-12461069 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/town-hall-propaganda-bill-05m-12461069)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Meleri on January 23, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
It appears Councillor Dilwyn Roberts leader of Conwy County Borough Council conveniently forgot to pay his Council Tax, which has been revealed by information obtained by The Freedom of Information Act.  &shake&

Aberconwy Assembly Member Janet Finch Saunders has called for Cllr Roberts to consider his position and said "As leader of Conwy County Borough Council and someone who earns over double the average income for the area, it beggars belief that it took a court summons to make him cough up his legal dues".

Perhaps it's time for him to take retirement and give someone else a chance to clean up CCBC's act considering all that has gone on recently. It's about time they broke ranks from the Old Boy's Club and there are some very promising Female Councillors who would fit the bill.  ;)

Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on January 23, 2017, 06:37:04 PM
This is a farce, he should stand down, yes we all make mistakes, but this should have been a priority,  someone in his position should have arranged a direct debit.

Just read the DP story.... http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/?pageNumber=5 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/?pageNumber=5)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Bosun on January 23, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
For once I am full agreement with Janet Finch Saunders; of course Dilwyn Roberts should resign. However, unfortunately it's an actual fact of life, not an alternative fact, that people like Councillor Roberts have a huge belief of their own self importance and that what is decently required of other people is not required of them. He won't resign.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: DaveR on January 24, 2017, 09:20:09 AM
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It appears Councillor Dilwyn Roberts leader of Conwy County Borough Council conveniently forgot to pay his Council Tax, which has been revealed by information obtained by The Freedom of Information Act.

Aberconwy Assembly Member Janet Finch Saunders has called for Cllr Roberts to consider his position and said "As leader of Conwy County Borough Council and someone who earns over double the average income for the area, it beggars belief that it took a court summons to make him cough up his legal dues".
One rule for them...another rule for us...  &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 24, 2017, 10:55:29 AM
You would expect him to be highly embarrassed by receiving the initial reminder that he had not paid! How could he possibly wait to such a late stage of nonpayment? Makes me wonder what else he may have overlooked in his job?  &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Bosun on January 24, 2017, 11:02:10 AM

[/quote]
One rule for them...another rule for us...  &shake&
[/quote]

It's a mute point, but, the 'rules' are the same, that's why Roberts has recieved a court summons. There are no rules in respect of acting decently, and in this case, any self-respecting honourable person would have resigned their post immediately, and if they wished to, as is their right, stand for re-election at the next election. However, this breed of person does not accept the requirement for doing the decent thing and acting honourably as his position demands, he believes himself to be above that requirement. Whilst there are good councillors, (such as Sue Shotter who works tirelessly for her ward) the position appears to attract dreadful bumptious characters full of self-importance and a massive belief in both their own self importance and their opinion of what's right. Once elected, their main priority is their own self advancement.

CCBC is not alone in this, it's a general phenomenon that puts many decent people from becoming involved because even if elected, you cannot fight the established, virtually resident, sitting morons.   

Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on January 24, 2017, 11:16:06 AM
Sorry the link I posted yesterday was wrong, .....
New link    http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-council-tax-dilwyn-roberts-12493676 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-council-tax-dilwyn-roberts-12493676)

16 comments now, most of them negative
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Bosun on January 30, 2017, 03:28:47 PM
I  astonished to hear that 'From Our Own Correspondent' on Radio 4 this week had a report, from of all places, Conwy, about the council pushing the general waste collections back. Dave Cowans was quoted, as was the recycling supervisor, as well as a couple of complaining residents. The upshot of it all was that 75% of the general waste of those complaining could have been recycled in the weekly collections.

It was an interesting piece. How it fits in with reports from far flung parts of the globe, which is the reason for the programme, I've no idea.... except - perhaps to the BBC in London, Conwy is a far flung part of the globe.   
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on February 05, 2017, 12:11:15 PM
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It appears Councillor Dilwyn Roberts leader of Conwy County Borough Council conveniently forgot to pay his Council Tax, which has been revealed by information obtained by The Freedom of Information Act. 
Not such an isolated occurrence.......

Hundreds of council tax arrears notices sent to councillors.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-38846595 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-38846595)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on February 16, 2017, 10:34:41 AM
Sorry not sure which thread to put this article.........any suggestions?

The big five 'game changers' that could transform the economy of Conwy.
Major indoor attraction, winter festival and university campus among ideas on the table.
A major indoor tourism attraction, giant winter show, business units and a university campus are all parts of a 10 year strategy to transform the economy of Conwy county.

Conwy council has published an Economic Growth Strategy to lay out the plans for boosting jobs and wages over the next decade.

This includes five key economic ambitions which range from increasing winter visitor numbers to targeting city firms to relocate head offices to the county.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/big-five-game-changers-could-12605191 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/big-five-game-changers-could-12605191)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: DaveR on February 16, 2017, 11:45:39 AM
Can I just say how much I despise the Daily Post website these days? It's practically impossible to read an article, with all the videos, adverts, surveys on the page.  &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Bosun on February 16, 2017, 12:20:11 PM
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Can I just say how much I despise the Daily Post website these days? It's practically impossible to read an article, with all the videos, adverts, surveys on the page.  &shake&

Totally agree, at first I thought that it was my computer playing up. The Daily Post website is a complete buggers-muddle; I now ignore it.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on February 16, 2017, 12:35:36 PM
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Can I just say how much I despise the Daily Post website these days? It's practically impossible to read an article, with all the videos, adverts, surveys on the page.  &shake&
Totally agree, at first I thought that it was my computer playing up. The Daily Post website is a complete buggers-muddle; I now ignore it.

Can be a pain, but I still find it good for daily news and info, I clicked on the above link again and only got one advert and one video?
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Tom Davidson on February 20, 2017, 09:11:05 AM
Sorry to hear you're not happy with the site - the websites are the same across Trinity Mirror - Liverpool Echo, Wales Online all have the same format.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on February 24, 2017, 06:11:17 PM
Council tax across North Wales to rise AGAIN next year

Residents of Conwy are facing the biggest increase as all local authorities plan to put up the rate.
Residents of Conwy could face a 4.6% hike in their bills from April.
The increase would see Band D households pay an extra £48.93 on top of the £1,063.76 they already pay.
Cllr Goronwy Edwards, cabinet member for finance and resources, said the council’s budgetary response to “challenging financial constraints” was fair.

It’s also reasonable and appropriate given the service pressures that we face and the grant afforded to Conwy by Welsh Government,” added Cllr Edwards.
The recommendations of the 2017/18 budget report will be discussed during a full council meeting on March 2.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/council-tax-across-north-wales-12654713 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/council-tax-across-north-wales-12654713)
Title: Re: CCBC ..... New Leader
Post by: SteveH on May 18, 2017, 12:22:55 PM
Gareth Jones elected!

In a very narrow vote, Gareth Jones of Plaid Cymru has been elected as the leader of Conwy Council.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-conwy-council-decide-leader-13052814 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-conwy-council-decide-leader-13052814)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: bigbadhenry on May 19, 2017, 10:56:43 AM
I was surprised to to hear he was 78 years old. Don't think I'd want or be up to the job if I reach 78 years >>>
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Meleri on May 19, 2017, 02:06:44 PM
I thought the very same thing bigbadhenry. Granted Gareth Jones has a wealth of experience, but the time comes to call it a day and give the younger generation a chance to gain that same experience, on the other hand who wouldn't find £48,000 a year tempting.
Lets hope the cabinet will be comprised of the most competent people for each cabinet post irrespective of gender and put an end to the old boys club that is CCBC
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on November 01, 2017, 04:22:48 PM
This is interesting, .... worth a read.

Every event that could face funding cuts when councillors meet next week
As councils struggle with budgets several major sporting and cultural occasions that take place in North Wales could be hit.
A North Wales local authority is to decide whether 25 major events should continue to get financial backing for the next five years.
Conwy Council is planning to spend more than £500,000 on cultural and sporting occasions that are scheduled to take place within the county.

It is argued that the events - aimed at drawing in visitors, benefiting locals and media exposure - have brought in an estimated £20m to the local economy.
However cutbacks in Welsh Government funding mean Conwy will lose one per cent of its annual budget on last year to £152,405,000.
List ......
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/conwy-events-tourism-budget-cuts-13843007 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/conwy-events-tourism-budget-cuts-13843007)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: born2run on November 01, 2017, 04:42:35 PM
An unspecified BBC event, a one off payment costing £63,000 for September 2018.

Better be good for that amount of money - anyone have any ideas?

Also that list isn't comprehensive - I know of at least one council funded event not listed on there.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: alw on November 01, 2017, 06:12:39 PM
Last night of the Proms is on Saturday, 8th September, 2018, so that outside broadcast could be returning
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: born2run on November 02, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
Brilliant  $good$

That is one of the best things they have ever put on in the area.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: alw on November 02, 2017, 02:12:11 PM
The Corporate Research and Information Unit assess the economic benefits within the County of supported events.

Their latest assessment was for the Little Mix and Bryan Adams concerts in July 2017, I have put a PDF copy on line and you can download it from here.......  http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=1430191 (http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=1430191)

The document is already in the public domain.
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: SteveH on November 08, 2017, 10:27:36 AM
Conwy council to keep funding showcase events...and wants more world class spectacles

The local authority will work with the Welsh Government to bring more events to the county

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/conwy-council-keep-funding-showcase-13871914 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/conwy-council-keep-funding-showcase-13871914)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: born2run on November 08, 2017, 11:13:49 AM
I see some numpties are complaining about this in the comments section  $angry$

Llandudno really does take the biscuit for moaning old goats - If you dropped a hundred grand through everyone's door some of them would moan their doormat got dirty!  &shake&
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: Bosun on November 08, 2017, 12:04:06 PM
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If you dropped a hundred grand through everyone's door some of them would moan their doormat got dirty!  &shake&

Try it through mine, and I'll let you know......
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: DaveR on November 09, 2017, 09:10:56 AM
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I see some numpties are complaining about this in the comments section  $angry$

Llandudno really does take the biscuit for moaning old goats - If you dropped a hundred grand through everyone's door some of them would moan their doormat got dirty!  &shake&
I read the comments and can't see any mention of Llandudno? A lot of these events take place in Conwy and Colwyn Bay, not just Llandudno. You really are  a moaning middle aged goat, b2r...  :laugh: