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Title: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 04, 2011, 09:36:42 PM
Last Monday we arrived home (a bank holiday) to find even more recycling bags and boxes and a ludicrously complicated system, we looked at it on Tuesday and tried to figure out what went where and er indoors put the stuff in different bags only to realise that the new damned silly system doesn't start yet :rage: :rage: :rage: The side of our bungalow is now stuffed full of plastic boxes, stupid bags that can blow about in the wind when out in the road and it all looks a right mess, so tonight I've decided they can stuff it, we have no actual kitchen waste as we don't eat meat and any uncooked veg etc goes on the compost heap, we can still take plastic to the bottle bank place when having a walk, I can still put paper out, anything else can go in the big grey wheely bin. anyone else find it a stupid system or is it just me being 'Victor Meldrew'?
 $angry$ $angry$ I've previously been in favour of recycling but there are limits!  :o :laugh:
Title: Re: New recycling scheme
Post by: Trojan on June 04, 2011, 10:12:25 PM
Nice to hear some Thoughts of Victor again.  :laugh:
Title: Re: New recycling scheme
Post by: Fester on June 04, 2011, 11:31:34 PM
I completely agree.... I thought it was just us, being thick.

What about people with small pokey cottages, are they supposed to have an entire line of bins and bags outside thier house all year round?

Its getting out of hand... I'm sure we will 'get our eye in' eventually, but the pace and complication of this is getting a bit much.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 05, 2011, 11:56:23 AM
Apparently the Acting Chief Executive of Conwy County Council, namely one Kenneth Finch, does not see any problems with the forthcoming recycling system.  But then he wouldn't would he?    :rage:

This is a copy letter from someone in the recycling department  which KF whole heartedly endorses.

Refuse and Recycling

Thank you for your letter dated 11th April 2011 regarding our new weekly recycling collections.  As you described in your letter, from June we will collect virtually all your recyclable household waste, every week, including food waste, plastic, cans, drink cartons, cardboard, paper, glass and batteries.  There will be no change to your garden waste collection service or your wheeled refuse bin collection, both of which will continue fortnightly.

Most non-recyclable items can be placed in your wheeled bin for disposal to landfill, with the exception of rubble, soil, plasterboard, any liquids or any hazardous materials such as paint, chemicals, clinical waste  etc.  While electrical items are not specifically prohibited from landfill, we strongly advise that they not be placed in your wheeled bin.  Electrical items are one of the types of waste we are working to find more recycling options for, as described in the responses below to your questions regarding disposal of specific materials.

1.   “DIY leftovers such as plaster, cement, bricks and other similar rubbish.”  The Council does not offer a collection service for DIY waste.  Residents able to carry out DIY work are expected to make their own arrangements to dispose of their construction waste.  Household DIY waste is accepted at the Mochdre Recycling Centre.  If a contractor carries out the work, they must dispose of the waste through a commercial recycling or waste disposal outlet.

2.   “Old fat and cooking oils and car lubricants.” These items are accepted at Mochdre Recycling Centre.  Solid (but not liquid) waste fat can be placed in your wheeled bin.  Car lubricants are hazardous and any resident choosing to change their own car oil at home is responsible for its safe disposal.

3.   “Carpet, clothing and other materials.”  We are currently in a tender process to find a charity or company to carry out textile collections on behalf of the Council.  Details of this service will be provided along with your new recycling calendar, which will be delivered in early June.

4.   “Metals such as old domestic utensils, toasters etc.”  We will be encouraging the successful company or charity carrying out textile collections to also accept small electrical items (broken or working), for which they can receive payment from an appropriate Producer Compliance Scheme.  Proposals to collect general household bric-a-brac of the type that might be taken to a charity shop – books, CD’s, kitchen utensils etc – will also be considered.

5.   “Wooden items and broken furniture.”  The Council offers a bulky household waste collection service, for which there is a charge of £20 for up to four items.  Please call our Environment Advice Team on 01492 575337 to book a collection.

6.   “Items of mixed composition such as old televisions, computers etc.”  Most electrical retailers now offer collection and recycling of your old equipment when purchasing a new item.  Large electrical items can also be included in a bulky household waste collection, as described above.  Many charities or local community organisations also welcome donations of working television and computer equipment and may collect it.

7.   “Electrical items including cables and ceramics.”  As already outlined, we hope to be able offer kerbside collection of small electrical items in the near future.  We are also trialling electrical recycling banks at five locations in the County, but not unfortunately in your area as yet.

8.   “Hazardous items such as car batteries etc.”  The Council does not offer a hazardous waste collection service and hazardous waste is not permitted in your wheeled bin.  Most types of hazardous household waste are accepted at Mochdre Recycling Centre.  Most car battery retailers will recycle your old battery on purchase of a new one.

9.   “Any other unspecified waste.”  All the above waste types and many others not specified are accepted at Mochdre Recycling Centre, where over 80% of waste is recycled.  While we appreciate that not everyone owns a car to be able to access the Recycling Centre, a friend, neighbour or relative may be able to help.

As can be seen from our responses above, we do not have an answer for everything.  It would not be practical or economic for the Council to collect every type of waste, on demand, from every household.  What we will do is keep working to provide the most efficient and cost-effective collection service possible, with the maximum environmental benefit.

  
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on June 05, 2011, 12:47:45 PM
It all seems fairly reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 05, 2011, 01:16:04 PM
and me.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 05, 2011, 01:20:35 PM
Except that there are a lot of old people around who are unable to get to the recycling centres and who the Council seem to think should make use of neighbours, relations etc.   Many items that once were acceptable amongst the normal everyday waste are now not catered for such as old materials, small household items and small electrical goods.  This they admit!

Where are the bins and bags expected to be kept, especially if one lives in a small apartment?  Already one person on the Forum has stated his objections to the system.

To my mind it has been ill concieved and badly implemented.  The overall cost is likely to be a lot more than that which will be "saved".

No doubt some people will be happy with the arrangements, some will not - the proof will show in the medium and long term.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Barbiroli on June 05, 2011, 01:42:06 PM
We have been in this scheme for about 2 years now so have got it down to a fine art.

Somebody told me you can`t take your car into the Mochdre recycling place anymore you have to park outside and carry your waste in. Does anybody know if that is true?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 05, 2011, 02:02:55 PM
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We have been in this scheme for about 2 years now so have got it down to a fine art.

Somebody told me you can`t take your car into the Mochdre recycling place anymore you have to park outside and carry your waste in. Does anybody know if that is true?

The current scheme I have no problem with, its the new version with extra bags, boxes etc which is getting complicated, for a system to work it needs to be simple.

I've not been to the Mochdre site for around a month, we could drive in then ok, not sure about now, it would seem unworkable if you could not take your car in.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Barbiroli on June 05, 2011, 02:26:20 PM
That`s what i thought.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: JasonW on June 05, 2011, 03:46:55 PM
Been to Mochdre this afternoon, with rubbish from the  Prom Day. Cars are allowed inside, as before. They have more specific areas to put your recyclable waste, so it is an idea to segragate your waste before getting there.
Commercial Vehicles are not allowed, without first applying for permits from the Mochdre Council Offices. Even if you a hire a van/large trailer, you should still obtain a one-off permit before going to the site.

Things will improve with the new roleout of recycling later in the year. We have a new 3 stackable box system with access to each box when stacked. This will replace a lot of the various different bags and boxes we now have. Unfortuately this system will not be with us for a few months.

The scheme on the whole is a nescessary evil, we have to reduce what we send to landfill, if we don't the esculation in landfill tax will have a massive impact on the Council Tax. Finding solutions that require us to reach 70% recycling targets is not easy, and it does require residents to do a lot of the segration. The Council has invested in a new facility at its Gofer site, which will sort the Plastic and the different metal containers, this is already proving succesful as the sorted metal means we can get a better price for certain metals. The recycled paper goes to Shotton Paper Mill, by having this "clean" it again means we get a better price for the material. The sale of all the recyclets then pay for the service, and means the Council Tax implications are minimized.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Barbiroli on June 05, 2011, 05:48:28 PM
Thank you for that JasonW
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: norman08 on June 05, 2011, 05:54:30 PM
so jason are you saying we are having more boxes soon , after the ones that have just been delivered .
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: white rabbit on June 05, 2011, 06:35:08 PM
I hope we are not getting more boxes and bags after the first delivery - that's enough to cope with and I think it's a load of rubbish anyway!!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 05, 2011, 06:52:32 PM
So is that a third system later this year :o  why bother with this second system, why not just go straight to the stackable box system?

How much does this all cost?
How much plastic goes into making the boxes? 
If all this is due to this landfill tax (from the EU I think?) don't tell them how much rubbish goes in to landfill (avoid the tax :laugh:) alternatively just ignore the EU nonsense

And while we are on the subject I still believe that anyone including trade should be able to take their waste to the tip for free, otherwise we get flytipping and then the council (or the landowner)  have to pay to clear it  :rage:
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Jack on June 05, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
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Been to Mochdre this afternoon, with rubbish from the  Prom Day.


Isn't the tip for domestic waste only?  Is this not commercial waste?

The system regarding vans at the tip is ridiculous, I've got a sign written van which can not go to the tip under any circumstances.  It has my name, phone number and the fact I'm a plumber on the side.  Why can't I take a mattress to the tip then?  Its got nothing to do with my trade and is simply from my house.  If I had a non sign written van I could get a pass and take it.  No wonder fly tipping is on the increase.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on June 05, 2011, 09:14:28 PM
Haven't got ours yet, but an elderly friend and I were exploring her 'delivery' of bags, boxes and other junk.
How many people use enough batteries to fill a bag?
Can you imagine the state of the white bag after a few weeks with some people? Stinky  bits left in containers, local cats leaving their calling card, not to mention the birds splatting on everything. At least the green boxes were scrubbable.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 05, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
You are also likely to get the Seagulls at everything together with Mice, Rats, the Urban Fox and any other foraging animal once they discover what is being left out for them overnight!   Add to this what the community yobs are likely to get up to and it is a receipe for disaster.  A lid on a small bin won't keep some of them out and the bags will be torn apart in no time.    ££$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: TheMedz on June 05, 2011, 09:49:01 PM
I'm sure I'll get a load of comments back about this but hey ho!Sorry if this goes against the flow but I see the new measures as providing a weekly rather than fortnigthly collection of some items such as bottles. A means of recycling plastic bottles and cardboard items that we haven't got currently. If it doesn't improve things then surely they are not reducing the facilities just adding to them. I've talked to a few friends outside the area and they would love what what we are being offered.  If you don't like the food and other new items don't use them and keep doing what your doing now. Before kicking off let's see if it works !
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on June 05, 2011, 10:10:08 PM
Hmmm,  I'm looking at a plastic tub of sandwich-filler, gone past its sell-by date.... deliberating over whether it is food waste, or plastic waste.

I think I'll put it back in the fridge, its too stressful.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: JasonW on June 05, 2011, 10:14:04 PM
The new box system will not replace the food waste system
It will replace the white plastics bag, which can then be used for Garden Waste.
The green box we all ready have will no longer be required, and will probably be able to be returned or kept for another purpose.
CCBC have applied and received funding for the new system of boxes, and the costs have not been taken from the Council Tax.

Timings would have been better if the new boxes had come at the same time as the new vehicles, but this wasn't possible due to waiting for the funding, so the interim solution has been put forward starting later in June so that we can reduce the landfill tax earlier.

Trade Waste is not free, because it would costs CCBC and Council Tax payers to put this additional waste into landfill which has a price per ton plus the additional tax.

Jack: You CAN use a sign written van at the Mochdre (or other centre), The permit system was brought in last year to aid this scenario. You need to apply for a single use permit. Please see http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7865&doc=27092&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7865&doc=27092&Language=1) for more info on the permits being used.

I can stress how bad the EU imposed Landfill Tax esculation will have on Council Tax if we didn't put in these new measures. And as TheMedz has said this will be a Weekly collection of recycling material and FOOD waste.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: norman08 on June 05, 2011, 10:37:24 PM
i,m sure they closed denbgh mentlal hospital and moved  tyhe patients to run ccbc, more new bin wagons oh no we don,t need the bins now :P :P
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Blodyn on June 05, 2011, 11:59:14 PM
I agree with The Medz, I'm delighted to have more recycling collected.  We have virtually no kitchen waste that doesn't go on the compost heap, so that part's not likely to affect us (handy container, though), but plastics and cartons will be collected more frequently than I currently take them to Asda and I can now add cardboard and batteries, even if I put out only a couple of batteries once in a while. 
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Barbiroli on June 06, 2011, 12:58:24 AM
Hi Fester You just empty the food into the food box provided, wash the container and put that into the big white bag provided Easy peasy  :rage:
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Jas on June 06, 2011, 09:37:07 AM
I Totally agree with you, Having lived out the Country for 30+yrs I can't understand why we have to have so many containers for Household rubbish in Aus we had two wheelie bins one with a yellow lid for recycling, they collected every week, so we didn't have that very unsightly look of dozens of different bags a boxes floating around on windy days. Like you  have I very little waste. Which I dispose of in Bins that are provided at the nearest Super Market. But have a thought for my brother who lives in the Midlands they have nine bins to sort out (what a nightmare!!). No wonder the Council Taxes are so high in this country, it must be more costly collecting all this stuff!.     
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 07, 2011, 09:48:34 AM
Take a look at this  ;D

http://www.grumpyoldarchive.co.uk/recycling%20bollox.asp (http://www.grumpyoldarchive.co.uk/recycling%20bollox.asp)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 07, 2011, 09:54:51 AM
Today I finished a jar of coffee.   The jar is glass, the label is paper, the lid is plastic and the lid insert is cardboard.   Hey Ho!    L0L
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 07, 2011, 10:05:12 AM
no problem, you just spend an hour or so in the shed separating them, washing the jar and lid, place in the appropriate box / bag, job done! Then send the bill for your labour, hot water and washing up liquid to CCBC  WWW L0L
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dave on June 07, 2011, 10:40:15 AM
I am 100% in favour of recycling but I think we are tackling the problem at the wrong end. Surely we should be aiming to produce goods where less recycling is needed. Our household always takes reusable bags to the supermarket but it's a bit pointless when you look at the conveyor belt and realise most things are packed in plastic.Why are some products packaged in recyclable plastic and others not ? Those plastic trays in black plastic that are not suitable for example.
Why does fast food come with so much polystyrene and plastic (which also adds to our litter problem) ? What's wrong with paper and cardboard.
What's wrong with deposits on bottles ?
I was recently at a Tesco Extra store that has a recycling machine where they give you one clubcard point for every drinks can you return... but nothing for bottles.

Currently the amount of energy wasted in recycling is anything but "green" in my opinion !

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on June 07, 2011, 11:05:13 AM
Some very good points, Dave. Packaging could be reduced/eliminated in many cases and there should be just as much focus on this as the recycling aspect.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Pendragon on June 07, 2011, 11:05:48 AM
I'm all for recycling myself, but the problem is where to store all these bags and boxes? If you do line them up outside your house there will be a problem with rats and bloody seagulls and storing them in the house is not an option,  on a lighter note my Hubby says the plastic carrier box "would make a good picnic carrier" lol can you imagine turning up at Happy Valley and unpacking that?..................bless, he does make me laugh.  _))*
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 07, 2011, 12:12:28 PM
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I am 100% in favour of recycling but I think we are tackling the problem at the wrong end. Surely we should be aiming to produce goods where less recycling is needed. Our household always takes reusable bags to the supermarket but it's a bit pointless when you look at the conveyor belt and realise most things are packed in plastic.Why are some products packaged in recyclable plastic and others not ? Those plastic trays in black plastic that are not suitable for example.
Why does fast food come with so much polystyrene and plastic (which also adds to our litter problem) ? What's wrong with paper and cardboard.
What's wrong with deposits on bottles ?
I was recently at a Tesco Extra store that has a recycling machine where they give you one clubcard point for every drinks can you return... but nothing for bottles.

Currently the amount of energy wasted in recycling is anything but "green" in my opinion !


   
I agree 100% Why melt down bottles and then remake them into bottles it's barking, bring back the deposits on bottles!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 07, 2011, 12:34:07 PM
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I'm all for recycling myself, but the problem is where to store all these bags and boxes? If you do line them up outside your house there will be a problem with rats and bloody seagulls and storing them in the house is not an option,  on a lighter note my Hubby says the plastic carrier box "would make a good picnic carrier" lol can you imagine turning up at Happy Valley and unpacking that?..................bless, he does make me laugh.  _))*

Well our boxes and bags will be left outside and to hell with what happens to them!  Certainly not going to get houseroom.     :laugh:
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dwyforite on June 07, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
we as children were recycling 50 plus years ago,we started at night going around the building sites picking up the pop bottles,stowing them away till the following afternoon and then taking them to graham walkers on the council estate.we also went into the dump and dragged old bikes prams cookers to billy Simpson,there was allways a way of getting a bob or two if you were willing to work at it.i built my first bike from scrap,i learnt how to fix brakes change tyres fix punctures.then i got interested in radio and found out that the valve that had blown in one radio could be found in another radio and fitted it ,power up lights on radio luxembourg here i go.then i found a radio with short wave,got it working with a piece of wire to the outside metal gutter and one to a long piece of copper tube into the ground and i was listening to voice of america broadcasting to troops in germany.the fight of the week was a favourite from america, how different now the grandchildrens toys that cost a fortune at christmas are now getting skipped now,the washing machines seem to last only a few months longer than the guarantee, the estate where i live is littered with big old toshiba TVs s thrown out in favour of the new slimline  models,but am i fault ,i used to change the elements in kettles  toasters cookers  and such but the wife tells me a new kettle in asda is only £9, are things worth fixing? i can t get the idea of things being repaired  instead of thrownout  out of my mind.but if i could have one wish it would be that there should be a charge of at least a charge of 50% extra on bottled beer,refunded on return even if it only stopped youngsters from smashing them on the pavements of our estate and being a hazard to pets and children
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on June 07, 2011, 02:44:05 PM
I know exactly what you mean Dwyforite, my Dad had a chemists shop and sold soda water in returnable syphons, pop in returnable bottles and if you needed something for an invalid you hired it. We rented out bed-pans, bottles, bed rests, pneumonia jackets etc, etc and people wouldn't have dreamed of buying things new. The pop and syphons were in wooden crates with compartments and you had to return the pop bottles complete with stopper, or you didn't get your money back. It was a great find if you came across anything like that, as you could make a fair profit to spend on sweets ! ;D
Imagine health and safety these days with the hire of equipment like that-- they'd have a chicken fit !! :o
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on June 07, 2011, 06:48:30 PM
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Hi Fester You just empty the food into the food box provided, wash the container and put that into the big white bag provided Easy peasy  :rage:

Not doing that !!  It stinks !
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on June 08, 2011, 11:50:51 AM
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Hi Fester You just empty the food into the food box provided, wash the container and put that into the big white bag provided Easy peasy  :rage:

Not doing that !!  It stinks !

Agreed--- we'll all have an epidemic of something 'orrible
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Trojan on June 08, 2011, 08:16:26 PM
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Hi Fester You just empty the food into the food box provided, wash the container and put that into the big white bag provided Easy peasy  :rage:

Not doing that !!  It stinks !

That's no way to talk of your wife's cooking Fester.  :D
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on June 08, 2011, 09:40:13 PM
Anyway, I'm so pleased that all those YES voters in the referendum are getting full value for money now...

So, if we have a Heart Attack or Stroke we can travel 30  miles or more... or die on the way...
Roads are in a pitiful condition, ...(I could reel off quite a long list here)


But just as long as our packaging is all sorted into the right coloured bins, all is well !
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 21, 2011, 08:48:54 PM
Its bin day tomorrow and looking down the road in Penrhyn Bay, no one seems quite sure what to put out! Some have all the bags and bins out just in case!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: dwsi on June 21, 2011, 09:17:05 PM
you can find your bin and recycling days here

http://bit.ly/kTd9xc (http://bit.ly/kTd9xc)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 21, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
Ah yes I looked at that, for this street it just says 'refuse'. it's the new system of recycling that is causing confusion here, some think it starts this week and some next week?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: JasonW on June 21, 2011, 10:22:25 PM
The new weekly recycling system is being rolled out this week.

Due to the excessive amount of recycling materials such as cardboard and plastics being put out in the first week, extra collections have been put on to cope. This means that you may have separate vehicles collecting recycling materials and at different times during the day. This has been one of the advantages of the phased roll-out; to understand how residents have used the system. The extra collections will be in operation for the 1st week and may be next week. Once residents have disposed of their stock piles then the normal service will mean that the new vehicles will collect the recycling materials each week.

In addition to the WEEKLY collection of Food, Paper, Tin, Glass, Plastic; there will be a separate collection of Refuse Wheely Bins or Garden Waste/Textiles on alternate weeks.

So the Calenders just show whether it is a Refuse week or a Garden Waste/Textile week.

Early indications are very positive in terms of the amount of recyclable material collected, but it may take several weeks for most people to get used to the new system.

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 22, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
The Seagulls or urban fox has already learned how to open the flimsy lid on the food recycling box!    And by the look of it has also had a peek inside the other receptacles!    Unless, of course, we have nosey neighbours!     L0L
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bellringer on June 22, 2011, 10:35:09 AM
Yorkie, if you position the handle properly then the lid of the food recepticle will be fastened down.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 22, 2011, 01:23:48 PM
Thank you for the advice - maybe it should have been included in the Council's instructions!   Mind you animals and birds are clever creatures - my dog could open lever handled doors even after we put them on upside down!    _))*
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 22, 2011, 01:59:40 PM
Well, earlier we had the chap from the council walking round looking in the recycling bins / bags and putting leaflets through some doors (He left my flap up on the white bag, and the velcro seems crap, stuff will blow everywhere in the wind! $angry$ )

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P6220038.jpg)

then the lorry itself appeared with some stressed operatives being told by the driver to 'run and get a move on!' after they had finished, various unhappy looking householders asking them to empty missed bags and it's a good job it's not too windy as it's left like this  

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P6220041.jpg)

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P6220042.jpg)

Seems an utter shambles to me, I told a neighbour this morning that a third system of stackable boxes is on the way, their reaction was 'where are we meant to put them!'
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on June 22, 2011, 02:09:50 PM
I think the main issue lies with the disparate size and shapes we're having to organise. Five or so containers, all the same size and shape and all stackable wouldn't be that much of a problem, providing they were clearly colour coded.  This current variety is tricky to wedge, especially in strong winds.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on June 22, 2011, 02:15:15 PM
Organising a comprehensive system of recycling was never going to be easy....
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 22, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
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Organising a comprehensive system of recycling was never going to be easy....

especially by CCBC  L0L
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bellringer on June 22, 2011, 05:14:23 PM
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Thank you for the advice - maybe it should have been included in the Council's instructions!   Mind you animals and birds are clever creatures - my dog could open lever handled doors even after we put them on upside down!    _))*

The "locking" instruction is on the top of the box.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 22, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
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The "locking" instruction is on the top of the box.

Yes I see now, but as it is the same colour as the lid and as I have bad eyesight and don't read Braille it was missed.   I trust that you being so observant had yours properly secured?    L0L

Did not some Councillors and Officers of the Environmental department have very expensive trips to America and Europe a couple of years ago to look at recycling?  And was it not the same time that a certain B Bond spent over £250 on his mobile phone whilst in America and "forgot" to repay the Council!    He did in the end but only after someone bringing it to the Council's attention.   ZXZ

They are obviously emphasising the Mental part out of Environmental in Conwy.  Why the Hell doesn't the Acting Chief Executive do something about it rather than writing condescending letters to members of the community? You know who you are KF - start doing what your paid to do!   $angry$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SDQ on June 22, 2011, 06:52:19 PM
We had our first collection under the new scheme today. Our bins are normally emptied at 7:00am but today the first lorry arrived at 3:00pm and took glass & paper, a second lorry came about half an hour later for garden waste and a THIRD lorry came about an hour later for plastic & cans etc...
I thought the refuse collectors finished about 2:00pm or 3:00pm which makes you wonder if they're having to pay overtime to collect the extra amount of recyclables. If you take into account the cost of THREE vehicles plus the possibility of overtime payments this must be costing a fortune at just the time they're trying to make drastic cuts to save money!!!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: white rabbit on June 22, 2011, 07:22:55 PM
I put everything out and it was all emptied but not at the same time - not sure what to next week tho!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bellringer on June 22, 2011, 08:24:05 PM
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The "locking" instruction is on the top of the box.

Yes I see now, but as it is the same colour as the lid and as I have bad eyesight and don't read Braille it was missed.   I trust that you being so observant had yours properly secured?    L0L

I intended my comment to be helpful but from the tone of your comment above, you obviously thought differently.
I too have poor sight and wear spectacles.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on June 22, 2011, 09:00:43 PM
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The "locking" instruction is on the top of the box.

Yes I see now, but as it is the same colour as the lid and as I have bad eyesight and don't read Braille it was missed.   I trust that you being so observant had yours properly secured?    L0L

I intended my comment to be helpful but from the tone of your comment above, you obviously thought differently.
I too have poor sight and wear spectacles.

Not at all - just trying to inject a little humour into a rather unpleasant subject!  If you had been able to see my facial expression and body language you may have judged my comments differently.   Sorry if I have offended you Stan.    Z**

I wonder how people who are seriously visually impaired are able to cope?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on June 23, 2011, 01:49:47 PM
All well and good, but 5 of us have been missed here. None of us have any new receptacles and before some idiot starts on about commercial bins again, it has nothing to do with the matter, some of the missed places are private dwellings. The grey bin was emptied as usual this morning .Trade bins on Monday.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Trojan on June 24, 2011, 01:08:30 AM
Sorry for being a Grouch, but.......

Bring back the old metal dustbins I say.

Make the binmen walk to your back yard and hump the bin to the waiting dustcart idling in the street.

Bury the rubbish in a landfill just like the good old days.

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on June 24, 2011, 10:25:47 AM
You certainly have a point there. We used to set fire to ours, before smokeless areas were thought of, it both lowered the level and cleaned it !
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Jas on June 24, 2011, 01:40:42 PM
With you there, :D Tin Bins... the way to go
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Trojan on June 24, 2011, 04:47:40 PM
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You certainly have a point there. We used to set fire to ours, before smokeless areas were thought of, it both lowered the level and cleaned it !

There used to be an incinerator plant off Cwm Road, where household rubbish would be brought by wagons to be burned to produce.......electricity.  :votive: :votive: :votive:
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on June 24, 2011, 05:56:37 PM
Sound more sense than carting stuff all over the place--and much greener
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 24, 2011, 06:01:25 PM
the council speaks!

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/06/23/recycling-questions-answered-by-conwy-s-cllr-mike-priestley-55243-28923430/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/06/23/recycling-questions-answered-by-conwy-s-cllr-mike-priestley-55243-28923430/)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Trojan on June 24, 2011, 06:03:07 PM
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Sound more sense than carting stuff all over the place--and much greener

The tall chimney did belch out smoke all over south Llandudno.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on July 07, 2011, 01:02:25 PM
We have at last, after 4 phone calls been allotted our new system. WOW ! All those, bags, bins and bits, the men chuck the bin wherever it falls now, so goodness knows where the new lot will end up.------Watch this space !
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on July 07, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
The drive of my house is a shared access for about 6 other houses...
All of which need to leave their bins at the foot of my drive.

Up to now, its just been 6 bins once a week. (or once a fortnight)

But this morning, it looked like a mountain of disperate bins and bags all brimming over waiting to be collected.

After the various collection chappies had been, it was much worse, it looked like Hiroshima. 

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on July 08, 2011, 10:58:41 AM
I am walking round-- book in hand with an armful of rubbish-  Doh!

Had the drains cleaned and the road swept---on the back lane this morning WOW can't get over it, shall have to have a lie down !
Title: FYI: Recycling and Refuse Collections over Christmas and New Year
Post by: dwsi on December 27, 2011, 05:19:32 PM
Recycling and Refuse Collections over Christmas and New Year http://bit.ly/ucEwAv (http://bit.ly/ucEwAv)
Title: Re: FYI: Recycling and Refuse Collections over Christmas and New Year
Post by: Dave on December 27, 2011, 10:51:26 PM
Very useful, thanks very much ! Dave
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 29, 2011, 11:49:32 AM
We put the recycling box and bags out this morning along with two bricks to stop the wind blowing it away. When we arrived home we find the grey box and lid blown into next door's slate tip (recently landscaped front garden) the green plastic bag has been blown into oblivion and the two bricks are sat on the lawn with nothing but grass beneath them!!   $angry$ $angry$

How hard can it be to put a brick on top of something to stop it blowing away? I've always said it was a stupid system having these bags, from now on they can stick it until the council gives us proper boxes to use!

 :rage:

I've now phoned the council and I asked if it was council policy to not use the bricks and the lady said something about different staff over Xmas and it was an oversite, I'll get a new one in the post.  To me what a waste of council money!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on December 29, 2011, 12:55:16 PM
You can generally track the progress of the recycling lorry by the whirlwind of waste paper that gets blown down the road from it as the bins are emptied.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on December 29, 2011, 08:25:40 PM
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I've now phoned the council and I asked if it was council policy to not use the bricks and the lady said something about different staff over Xmas and it was an oversite, I'll get a new one in the post.  To me what a waste of council money!

I hope you like the new brick these silly idiots will probably send!    _))*
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 29, 2011, 08:44:58 PM
 _))*. Yes I did wonder what will arrive!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: bigbadhenry on December 30, 2011, 10:59:21 AM
 Recycling was done on the cheap in Conwy.

Other Welsh councils do a far better job.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 30, 2011, 11:37:34 AM
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Things will improve with the new roleout of recycling later in the year. We have a new 3 stackable box system with access to each box when stacked. This will replace a lot of the various different bags and boxes we now have. Unfortunately this system will not be with us for a few months.



So what happened with the 'new' system?  when will it happen?  will  it happen?  are any councillors reading this??  ???
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on December 30, 2011, 04:21:01 PM
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Recycling was done on the cheap in Conwy. Other Welsh councils do a far better job.

Indeed. But this is one significant argument against localisation.  Throughout the UK, it's likely that most people have a fairly typical waste output, which would suggest that a single, centralised system of collection and disposal could have been introduced.  Economy of scale in manufacturing both bins and vehicles, plus the obvious advantage of every council not having to reinvent the wheel from scratch might have been a wiser course of action.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 30, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
That sounds very logical to me  :)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on December 30, 2011, 07:56:40 PM
Couldn't agree more with Dave's comment.

As far as I am concerned I think there is much too much primary sorting of the rubbish.  It is possible to construct a sorting machine that will sort almost any substance from another.  Such machines could be built to benefit from economy of size and with a throughput that would make the local recycling centre look the size of a pimple on an elephant's backside.   This could only be done by a countrywide agreement to enter the system, so it must be a Central Government initiative.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 31, 2011, 04:26:04 PM
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I've now phoned the council and I asked if it was council policy to not use the bricks and the lady said something about different staff over Xmas and it was an oversite, I'll get a new one in the post.  To me what a waste of council money!

I hope you like the new brick these silly idiots will probably send!    _))*

This morning a new green bag arrived, postage cost of 65p
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on December 31, 2011, 06:09:03 PM
Congratulations,  the postage alone has cost me .0022p without the cost of the bag!   Please be more careful with your bag in future, I cannot afford this extravagance!      L0L   L0L   L0L

Have a Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 31, 2011, 07:31:09 PM
Yes plus the cost of the envelope, bag itself and a member of staff's time! The old bag is now possibly in Rhyl  :laugh:

Happpy new year!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: TheMedz on January 01, 2012, 03:56:04 AM
The recycling van(postponed from Thursday)that was due to arrive yesterday(Friday) actually turned up at something past six this morning(Saturday). No matter, all those incriminating wine bottles from holiday excesses are now dispatched. Sadly only to be replaced in the recycling box by this evening's supply.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 05, 2012, 08:59:33 AM
Just been down to get the Paper and the NWWN (why the latter I don't know) and the streets are strewn with bins, boxes and bags that have been blown into the road AFTER they have been emptied!   Seems that the refuse lads have difficulty in making them secure when empty!  Yet another flaw in the system!
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Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 05, 2012, 09:41:05 AM
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Just been down to get the Paper and the NWWN (why the latter I don't know) and the streets are strewn with bins, boxes and bags that have been blown into the road AFTER they have been emptied!   Seems that the refuse lads have difficulty in making them secure when empty!  Yet another flaw in the system!
 >>>

See the post I made a week ago, I've put it out again today with bricks again, we'll see what happens!

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We put the recycling box and bags out this morning along with two bricks to stop the wind blowing it away. When we arrived home we find the grey box and lid blown into next door's slate tip (recently landscaped front garden) the green plastic bag has been blown into oblivion and the two bricks are sat on the lawn with nothing but grass beneath them!!   $angry$ $angry$

How hard can it be to put a brick on top of something to stop it blowing away? I've always said it was a stupid system having these bags, from now on they can stick it until the council gives us proper boxes to use!

 :rage:

I've now phoned the council and I asked if it was council policy to not use the bricks and the lady said something about different staff over Xmas and it was an oversite, I'll get a new one in the post.  To me what a waste of council money!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 05, 2012, 01:51:32 PM
Recycling collected, bricks used, no problem, someone must have listened!  +}}{-- <:<:<:<


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Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: JasonW on January 06, 2012, 09:24:53 PM
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Couldn't agree more with Dave's comment.

As far as I am concerned I think there is much too much primary sorting of the rubbish.  It is possible to construct a sorting machine that will sort almost any substance from another.  Such machines could be built to benefit from economy of size and with a throughput that would make the local recycling centre look the size of a pimple on an elephant's backside.   This could only be done by a countrywide agreement to enter the system, so it must be a Central Government initiative.
The number of boxes and the issue of what happens in the wind is recognised as a problem and a weak link in the current solution.
There is a sorting machine at Gofer site to seperate the plastic and different metals.
By keeping the paper seperate, it means it is not contaminated and the Council acheives a better premium from Shotton Paper Mill.
Speaking with Cllr Mike Priestley yesterday, I understand that a trail of the new box system should be available in March. Later than expected due to finding funding (i.e. not from the Council Tax)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 06, 2012, 09:44:05 PM
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The number of boxes and the issue of what happens in the wind is recognised as a problem and a weak link in the current solution.

I would have thought that it was an obvious problem right from the start, to have the green plastic bag for paper, highly likely to blow away if the operative does not put the brick on it. It seems we need one wheelie bin for normal rubbish, one weighted box with hinged lid for paper and another similar box for the rest. But you need somewhere to store them and if you're out and it's windy and the bricks have not been used....
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 07, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
Why in this day and age should one need a bloody brick to satisfy the requirements of the Council's recycling programme?

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Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 07, 2012, 12:23:08 PM
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Why in this day and age should one need a bloody brick to satisfy the requirements of the Council's recycling programme?

 >>>

Due to the fact that the system is ludicrous!  And it's at least two bricks :rage:

Does anyone still have the small battery bag?  What a joke that was L0L
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 07, 2012, 01:49:05 PM
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Due to the fact that the system is ludicrous!  And it's at least two bricks :rage:

Does anyone still have the small battery bag?  What a joke that was L0L

I thought that two bricks were only neccessary when castrating camels!    L0L   
Just have to be careful to keep your thumbs out of the way!    :o

Yes, I still got the battery bag which is well used for disposing of all the used batteries from mice, remote controls, cameras and all the other impedimenta that seems to rely on battery power nowadays.  I even buy in bulk on the Internet!     ZXZ
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on January 07, 2012, 03:00:31 PM
Now that the building work on our house is at an end, we have dived in to the wonderful world of recycling this week.
Here is a quick list of the issues that I have encountered this week.
Bearing in mind there are only two of us, I cannot fathom how larger families are coping...(I suspect that many are not even attempting it)

1. Unable to fit all the cardboard and bottles into the same plastic box. (OK, its WAS xmas I suppose)
2, Tried to get that plastic box emptied, (forgot to leave it out the previous night) ... but got ignored by the hi-vis guys rapidly driving off down the road.   
3, The white bag for plastic was left out, and was weighted down... but it blew 30 yards down the road and emptied itself! I picked up as much as I could, but I reckon quite a bit escaped.
4, But it all balances up, because I then 'inherited' about 60 bottles and cans that had blown from someone elses bins into my patch!   So I picked those filthy items up, and put them in my bins.
5, Food waste.... thus far I cannot face having food waste hanging around the house, or outside where animals roam, so that is just a step too far for me at the moment.
6, I noticed that much of todays packaging, for food or Xmas gifts, is a mixture of cardboard and plastic (or acetate film)
In this respect I have tried to rip it up and seperate it.... but it is a balls-ache. 
7, I got the mother of all paper-cuts from outsorting some paper and acetate... and I hate the world at the moment.
8, I don't like the choice of having all these different bags / boxes littering my house..OR being left outside at the mercy of the elements and vermin.   But then again, at least I have the room for them.... I have no idea how other peopleare expected to manage.

Hopefully I will get my 'eye-in' with this re-cycling lark...and I will find better ways to manage it going forward.
I have to say that I am 100% in favour of recycling... it is completely logical and morally correct.
However, I just wish that the local authorites would get their best brains on the topic to make it easy for us to do.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on January 07, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
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I just wish that the local authorites would get their best brains on the topic
:laugh:
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on January 07, 2012, 03:19:10 PM
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Food waste.... thus far I cannot face having food waste hanging around the house, or outside where animals roam, so that is just a step too far for me at the moment.

I agree. Food waste in the winter is bad enough, but in the long, hot days of summer it's simply unhealthy. Far better to either feed the birds or, possibly better, plough it into gardens.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 07, 2012, 06:48:32 PM
A lot of food waste can be recycled at home.  Much of the stuff one throws away can be washed and made into delicious soups.  For example outer leaves of cauliflower, potato, carrot, parsnip, swede and other vegetable peelings can all be used with the introduction of some stock and seasonings.   Stock can be made from offcuts of meat, bones and clean leftovers such as chicken carcasses etc.  Marmalade can be made from orange, lemon and other citrus peels, chutney from surplus veg and fruit, it's just a matter of finding a use for all this stuff.

You can even brew your own alcoholic beverages!   That should appeal to some people!   L0L

Apart from the recycling aspect it is all good fun!   ££$

Try this one:  http://www.boldsky.com/cookery/soups-snacks-drinks/vegetarian-soup/vegetable-peel-soup-recipe-250211-aid0111.html (http://www.boldsky.com/cookery/soups-snacks-drinks/vegetarian-soup/vegetable-peel-soup-recipe-250211-aid0111.html)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: hollins on November 13, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
I remember reading with great sympathy about the problems you all had in the Three Towns when recycling was introduced. At the time we had a excellent fortnightly service. You could set your watch by them they were so reliable. This all changed three weeks ago when Conwy Council in their wisdom stopped that service. Recycling bins were delivered and a promise of a weekly collection. Three weeks later and still nothing has been collected so after a few phone calls to the council we find out that amongst the changes made to rural collections they are refusing to pick up rubbish from people on adopted roads. People in this situation are to take their rubbish to the nearest road - sometimes a mile or more away. The trouble is in their incompetence they have forgotten to tell people that.
On our lane we have two elderly widows one of whom cannot drive so for them it would be an impossible task.. Goodness knows how many people in the rural areas are still in the dark about this and waiting hopefully that their bins will soon be emptied.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on November 14, 2013, 11:35:30 PM
That's absolutely outrageous Hollins, and a flagrant abuse of your council tax payment.

The teething troubles which we had in Llandudno were as nothing compared to that fundamental problem.

My issue at the moment is that 8 houses from lower down my road put their recycle bins, and their normal bins on the drive that I walk down to my car.  So I have to walk through a 'gauntlet' of 16 bins to get out of my house!

When it is very windy, there is loads of rubbish blowing around the road, and milk cartons etc, trapped by the wheels of our cars.

If the Council Management don't act on the problem your neighbours face, I would immediately refer it to my MP, or AM.
After all, what do we pay them for?


Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on November 15, 2013, 08:05:58 AM
That's not all you pay for!   After the recycling people have thrown your green bag around a few times and virtually destroyed it, they charge you £1.50 for a new one, providing you go to Mochdre to collect it!   $angry$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 15, 2013, 08:15:02 AM
Yorkie, I am sure we bought our last one in Llandudno Library.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on November 15, 2013, 08:25:23 AM
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My issue at the moment is that 8 houses from lower down my road put their recycle bins, and their normal bins on the drive that I walk down to my car.  So I have to walk through a 'gauntlet' of 16 bins to get out of my house!
&shake&
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on November 15, 2013, 08:39:49 AM
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we find out that amongst the changes made to rural collections they are refusing to pick up rubbish from people on adopted roads

H;  do you by any chance mean 'unadopted roads?  If so, then there are a fair few in the area, and certainly where we live the council has never driven them to empty bins. Unadopted roads can be a nightmare, because the legislation covering them is so incredibly complicated.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: hollins on November 15, 2013, 09:10:50 AM
Yes, sorry. I should have said unadopted roads.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on November 15, 2013, 09:16:24 AM
There's a pdf on Unadopted roads, which I can attach, if you're interested.  It's pretty dull reading, as it's a lot of legislation and definitions (think I'll wait for the film:-), but the gist of it seems to be that if you live on an unadopted road you may never find out who the owner of the road is, you may not be able to park on it, and yet the council can carry out 'necessary repairs' to the road and then charge you for them, which I find quite worrying.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: hollins on November 15, 2013, 09:34:18 AM
Thanks Ian. This is all a bit beyond me but Mr Hollins would be interested in the pdf please.
In our case the ownership of the road is clear. It is partly us and partly a farmer.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on November 15, 2013, 10:26:17 AM
One pdf as promised...
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Minime on November 20, 2013, 08:19:58 PM
Theres a tree blocking the road on an unadopted road.  Who would be responsible for clearing it - its in the pwllychrochan woods.  Young lad said he was going to ring his dad but for future reference who would you contact?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on November 20, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
It depends if the road is a right of way. As you see from the pdf it's a tricky subject...
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on November 20, 2013, 08:55:38 PM
You could try CCBC Highways dept first:
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/section.asp?cat=10789&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/section.asp?cat=10789&Language=1)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Minime on November 20, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
Read that pdf Ian.  Who owns pwllychrochan woods as its one of their trees causing the actual obstruction.   Duty to make safe and that.  Id lean towards whoever owns the land the tree is on has the duty to clear it
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Minime on November 20, 2013, 09:24:20 PM
Have found wardens email.  Owned by council as its in public woods part at bottom so will email her in morning if its still there
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: nwpo on January 07, 2014, 04:58:30 PM
Just had an interesting conversation with the service manger at CCBC about the Troliblocs which I complained to Goronwy Edwards about. Ours have already started disintegrating and it seems that I'm not the only one. They've had over 100 complaints in the last 24 hours about them flying everywhere and breaking, but they were only tested to withstand a Force 5 wind.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on January 07, 2014, 05:50:03 PM
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they were only tested to withstand a Force 5 wind.

Did you ask him what that means?  As it stands, it doesn't say anything about how they were tested, or for what characteristics.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on January 08, 2014, 02:39:09 AM
I have lodged an email complaint about damage to my car from recycling bins flying around in the gales, but I am yet to receive a reply.
However, tonight whilst out in town I heard quite a number of people who have had damage or other issues emanating from these bins, and none of them have had a satisfactory outcome yet either.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: nwpo on January 08, 2014, 10:57:05 AM
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they were only tested to withstand a Force 5 wind.

Did you ask him what that means?  As it stands, it doesn't say anything about how they were tested, or for what characteristics.

Well the meeting I've had this morning, they were tested to the same British Standard as the normal wheelie bin (whatever that may be) and they have gone through 4 different revisions.

Each Trolibloc set costs £30.00 (less discount) and whilst they did experiment with a sand and mortar weight infill at the bottom to stop the set going flying, this would have meant changing the design incurring extra cost, but if any resident can come up with a cheap way of weighing it down, please forward it to the council.  Why they didn't think about this on Revision 2 is beyond me.

The council believe the Trolibloc system is the most cost effective way of meeting the Welsh Government targets, even if it means replacing boxes on a regular basis when they get broken.  Our top box lasted 6 weeks before the Kerbside Collection Team managed to break the handles off.  The answer - have a new top box.

(Where's the pissing money away smiley?)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on January 08, 2014, 11:47:18 AM
We're still on the old system and I have been waiting for 6 months for a new divider for my cardboard/glass box. As it is it all has to go in together.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on January 08, 2014, 11:59:37 AM
Having spent more than half an hour searching for the relevant BS testing criteria, I've now given up.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 08, 2014, 12:48:50 PM
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We're still on the old system and I have been waiting for 6 months for a new divider for my cardboard/glass box. As it is it all has to go in together.

We are also on the old system, I didn't know there should even be a divider! I'll stay happy without one!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on January 08, 2014, 02:36:09 PM
CCBC have come back to me, and as expected, they have NOT accepted liability for the damage to my car.

Therefore I have asked them to make immediate new arrangements to ensure that my drive will not have 12 other bins in close proximity to my car.
It will inconvenience them, and sadly also some of the neighbours from the houses below me, but I have no alternative if they refuse to accept their responsibilities.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Cambrian on January 08, 2014, 08:00:34 PM
I don't think dividers are given for the green cardboard/glass box as we have not had one for some time.  The stuff from the the green box seems to go into the same aperture in the freighter so presumably there is no need to divide it now.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 08, 2014, 09:37:27 PM
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CCBC have come back to me, and as expected, they have NOT accepted liability for the damage to my car.

A claim could possibly be made against the householders who had the bins, under a household policy.   Your car insurers, if you have comp cover, could also assist with the claim.  Better still if you have legal protection cover.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on January 08, 2014, 10:32:13 PM
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I don't think dividers are given for the green cardboard/glass box as we have not had one for some time.  The stuff from the the green box seems to go into the same aperture in the freighter so presumably there is no need to divide it now.

My divider blew away with the wind last week so I phoned CCBC up asking for a replacement.   They told me that they don't issue dividers anymore as both cardboard and bottles go into the same compartment in the bin lorry.   So bottles and cardboard don't need to be separated any more and both can be put into the green box together.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on January 08, 2014, 11:10:27 PM
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CCBC have come back to me, and as expected, they have NOT accepted liability for the damage to my car.

A claim could possibly be made against the householders who had the bins, under a household policy.   Your car insurers, if you have comp cover, could also assist with the claim.  Better still if you have legal protection cover.
 ZXZ

That's a non starter.
Would you appreciate me knocking on your door to say, 'cough up £300 please, as your wheelie bin has damaged my car'
I think I can imagine how far that would get me.

No, CCBC have produced the TrolleyBox, made of plastic and tubular metal,  they have just left the residents of oue street to figure our where best to place this DOUBLING of our bins.
I have tolerated them all on my drive, despite it looking terrible, until the point where it is costing me money.
Plus there is always loads of rubbish to pick up after a windy night, or after the recycling gang have been.

Remember also, in a conservation area. surely it is questionable whether all these different types of bins on display, together with the rubbish on the streets are appropriate? 
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on January 09, 2014, 07:07:21 AM
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Remember also, in a conservation area. surely it is questionable whether all these different types of bins on display, together with the rubbish on the streets are appropriate? 

I'm not sure how much of this is down to CCBC, though. I suspect they're being forced into doing the recycling through the agreement of the UK government to the Brussels edict, and recycling inevitably means different boxes or containers.   
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 09, 2014, 08:20:36 AM
It not necessary to have a multitude of bins for effective recycling.  If foodstuffs are kept separate, the rest can be automatically divided on a conveyor system using mechanical, air and other means, and finishing with a chemical method to extract precious metals and the like. 

Not cheap to set up but very effective.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on January 09, 2014, 08:50:21 AM
That's a good point. There's simply no need to have all these little boxes. A lot of Councils have one bin for all the recyclable materials.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 09, 2014, 09:18:12 AM
When we lived in Oxfordshire (until 2007) we just had the recycling in one bin, nice and simple!  $good$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: llewelyn on January 09, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
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That's a good point. There's simply no need to have all these little boxes. A lot of Councils have one bin for all the recyclable materials.


Conwy Town looks a mess with boxes and bins dumped everywhere, residents have very little space to store them, or put them ready for collection.  there must be a better option.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on January 09, 2014, 08:56:59 PM
CCBC have come back to me again, about two incidents of damage to my property.
1, Damage to my car from flying recycling trolleys, which belonged to neighbours.

2, Damage to my garden decking and fences caused by the local school building ramshackle structures.

When I spoke to them verbally, they accepted liability for both.... but now suddenly, the bureaucrats have become involved.
Now, they will neither fix the damage, not settle with me directly.

Instead, they have told me that I must wait to be contacted by CCBC insurers, (Zurich) and deal directly with them via their claims process.

As part of my protestations I said to CCBC that I will behave in a similar way when it comes to paying my Council Tax.
So, when they want their payment, I will direct them to go and see Joe Bloggs, who coincidentally owes me that exact same amount!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on January 09, 2014, 09:01:17 PM
If I were you i would get two quotations for the repair of all the damage and file a claim with their insurers giving them 21 days to pay.  If they don't cough up whip them into the County Court for the amount of your claim, plus interest, plus costs.
 ££$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: nwpo on January 10, 2014, 03:35:05 PM
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That's a good point. There's simply no need to have all these little boxes. A lot of Councils have one bin for all the recyclable materials.

I pointed out there are probably a few sites in North Wales where they could put a processing plant and that this would lead to an increase in jobs, but the Manager who came to see me stated that it is Welsh Government policy that all waste materials be sorted at source (i.e. by the unpaid Council Tax payer) and if Conwy did implement a system of no pre-sorting the waste would have to go to ENGLAND to be separated.

Realistically, it's a lack of forward thinking which has got us in this mess.  The whole of North Wales could easily use one waste processing site but that would have required thinking about years ago, however, joined up thinking and job creation are bottom of the list of priorities for CCBC.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on September 18, 2014, 10:59:35 AM
Mochdre clothing centre to be opened by Carwyn Jones today

Draig Tex, the first social enterprise led centre in Wales, collects unwanted clothing to sell in community shops, and it will be opened by the Mr Jones at the centre’s Glan y Wern site at 10am.

“We have created 13 new jobs locally and as at the end of August we have collected 280 tonnes of textiles. We are working with 11 charities and social enterprises across Wales, some of whom have multiple shops across our regions.”

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138316/mochdre-clothing-centre-to-be-opened-by-carwyn-jones-today.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138316/mochdre-clothing-centre-to-be-opened-by-carwyn-jones-today.aspx)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on October 07, 2014, 06:45:40 PM
Is it just me, or are there other more urgent priorities,... how much will this cost, and how many will use it in this area.? &shake&

New recycling app approved to help Conwy residents sort rubbish
A NEW recycling app to help Conwy residents sort their rubbish has been given the green light.
Conwy County Council has been given the go ahead by the Welsh Government to develop the smartphone and tablet app that will provide information on recycling and waste collection services.
A council spokesperson said: “The aim is to offer householders an opportunity to download a free bilingual app onto their smartphone/tablet.
“We have awarded the contract and the app is being built.”

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138617/new-recycling-app-approved-to-help-conwy-residents-sort-rubbish.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138617/new-recycling-app-approved-to-help-conwy-residents-sort-rubbish.aspx)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on October 08, 2014, 08:47:00 AM
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Is it just me, or are there other more urgent priorities,... how much will this cost, and how many will use it in this area.? &shake&
It's a ridiculous waste of money. All the information is already on the CCBC website and anyone with a smart phone or computer can access it there.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: norman08 on October 08, 2014, 09:40:18 AM
Another waste of our money ,could have been spent on something we need .
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Yorkie on October 08, 2014, 10:26:45 AM
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Is it just me, or are there other more urgent priorities,... how much will this cost, and how many will use it in this area.? &shake&
It's a ridiculous waste of money. All the information is already on the CCBC website and anyone with a smart phone or computer can access it there.

Except that some bright spark in Bodlondeb wants all those people without access to the Internet to benefit from a recycling app!  Of course he doesn't have a computer himself!   _))*  _))* 
He's just one of those essential people that all Councils have to employ to show they have no prejudice against numbskulls.    L0L L0L
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on October 08, 2014, 11:00:17 AM
"New recycling app approved to help Conwy residents sort rubbish"
I am led to believe that this could cost in excess of £10.000... $angry$

"Conwy County Council has been given the go ahead by the Welsh Government"

Don't know what's worse, CCBC thinking up the idea, or W.G. approving it?

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Mr Tunnock on December 17, 2014, 10:22:55 AM
This is our first week with the new trolley that has all the recycling in one place, provided by Conwy CBC, and we have found it very difficult to place all our paper, plastic and packaging in the  said contraption, we prefer the old bags for the purpose of recycling.
I wouldn't call this progress.
Hello by the way, a long time reader of this forum but a new member.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2014, 10:31:44 AM
Welcome to the Forum.

It does seem a complicated system; why CCBC couldn't have adopted the system in Denbighshire whereby all recycling goes into one wheelie bin, I don't know?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: bigbadhenry on December 17, 2014, 10:34:56 AM
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Welcome to the Forum.

It does seem a complicated system; why CCBC couldn't have adopted the system in Denbighshire whereby all recycling goes into one wheelie bin, I don't know?

Does it stop all the rubbish from getting blown all over the place????
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2014, 10:38:22 AM
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why CCBC couldn't have adopted the system in Denbighshire whereby all recycling goes into one wheelie bin, I don't know?

Wirral uses the same system.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2014, 10:47:23 AM
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Welcome to the Forum.

It does seem a complicated system; why CCBC couldn't have adopted the system in Denbighshire whereby all recycling goes into one wheelie bin, I don't know?

Does it stop all the rubbish from getting blown all over the place????
Yes, it works well. You have one wheelie bin for rubbish, one for all your recycling and one for garden waste.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on December 17, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
Mr Tunnock,  welcome to the Forum,
I particularly like your famous Tunnock's Tea Cakes,  which are in fact not Tea Cakes at all, but more of an addictive marshmallow and jam mixture, on a biscuit base... enrobed in chocolate!

The wrappers of said 'Tea Cakes' are not suitable for recycling either, as they are (or used to be) metal foil.

If pushed however, I also enjoy enjoy your Caramel Wafers, but you have resorted to making them somewhat smaller over the years!  &shake&
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: hollins on December 17, 2014, 03:08:07 PM
Welcome Mr Tunnock!

http://www.hunkydoryhome.co.uk/gillian-kyle/tunnocks-caramel-wafer-cushion-p-486.html (http://www.hunkydoryhome.co.uk/gillian-kyle/tunnocks-caramel-wafer-cushion-p-486.html)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Mr Tunnock on December 17, 2014, 04:16:47 PM
Thank you Hollins and indeed Fester!
It is the caramel wafers that I am addicted to and have been form many years now, before that it was the Marks and Spencer caramel wafers that were also wrapped in foil, gold at that!
I notice most of life's nicer things have all gone smaller over the years, if only my tummy were the same.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2014, 05:23:50 PM
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Mr Tunnock,  welcome to the Forum,
I particularly like your famous Tunnock's Tea Cakes,  which are in fact not Tea Cakes at all, but more of an addictive marshmallow and jam mixture, on a biscuit base... enrobed in chocolate!

The wrappers of said 'Tea Cakes' are not suitable for recycling either, as they are (or used to be) metal foil.

If pushed however, I also enjoy enjoy your Caramel Wafers, but you have resorted to making them somewhat smaller over the years!  &shake&
Tunnocks do make exceedingly good cakes...  $good$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on December 17, 2014, 09:35:01 PM
We await said' contraption', but have had to ask for measurements due to the fact that we have quite a narrow back gate as well as 2 lots of steps which it will have to be dragged up and through. They have been given (620mm) wide, but we have been told that if the 'contraption is not suitable for our premises it will be removed !
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on December 18, 2014, 02:02:28 PM
Well, if you take a look around the Great Orme area today, the Re-cycling effort by CCBC has come off the rails completely.

There are Trolley Boxes strewn everywhere, all separated from their trollies.
There are also many lids, broken off from the plastic boxes, all around the roads.
Those who use bags will have all on finding them ever again,  many of them are 30ft up in trees.

Worst of all though, there are glass bottles (broken mostly) all over the road sides.
Very dangerous for kids, animals and cars alike.

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SDQ on December 18, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
I drove through Mochdre earlier and it was the same.
Trollies lying on the floor and boxes all over the place!
Back to the drawing board methinks.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2014, 03:58:28 PM
Not Mike Priestley's finest hour...  &shake&
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on January 07, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
Interesting,  I heard on the news that Recycling totals has actually started to FALL in many parts of Wales.
Well, I think I know the main reasons why!

About 70% of what I recycled last week, (and similar amounts for all my neighbours) is strewn around the Great Orme's hedgerows, roadsides and gardens.  Due to high winds, and overloaded bins..... but why?

The fact is, in our area we were given a collection date of 2nd January, for the mountain of Xmas recycling.
But they NEVER TURNED UP to collect!   Thereby creating a massive overflow...... most of which has to be slammed into the general waste, and hence sent to landfill.  They never turned up for the whole of the next week either, and still have not.

We have kept our part of the bargain for too long.... outsorting all this stuff in all weathers.  However CCBC have not kept theirs, therefore my recycling efforts are being ''down scaled'' 
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: hollins on January 08, 2015, 08:53:50 AM
Our last collection was December 18th. Hope they come today!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: TheMedz on January 08, 2015, 09:16:19 AM
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The fact is, in our area we were given a collection date of 2nd January, for the mountain of Xmas recycling.
But they NEVER TURNED UP to collect!   

Fester, I went round to the recycling lorry depot on Builder street and asked why they had not been on the 2nd of Jan. Apparently they did the top half of our road but ran out of time to do the bottom half so they left them out. !!!!

Strangely they came at 8.30 this morning instead of their normal mid to late afternoon slot. By that time last night's  winds had emptied most of the boxes,put out last night, onto Black Gate.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DaveR on January 08, 2015, 09:18:24 AM
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Apparently they did the top half of our road but ran out of time to do the bottom half so they left them out. !!!!
That's sadly indicative of attitudes in parts of the public sector.  &shake&
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on January 08, 2015, 11:33:32 AM
I didn't put our bins out last night as it was blowing a gale but as the bins were so full I had to set the alarm clock for 7.30 am and get up and take the bins down ready for the bin men who normally call just after 8 o'clock.
When I got up the wind had died down and it was very calm, but that won't be for long as bad weather is forecast for later.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on January 08, 2015, 12:06:40 PM
New idea this morning ! All 3 of our garden waste bags were removed complete with contents first thing this morning !
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Meleri on January 08, 2015, 03:04:29 PM
Something similar happening here in Conwy Nemesis. My neighbour and I have put our garden waste out twice in December and it wasn't collected, at the third attempt last Friday they took bags and contents from both properties, left me two new bags but none for my neighbour.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: TheMedz on January 08, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
There's got to be something really ironic (or possibly stupid) in the fact that when we came back to the house this afternoon I spent a good while collecting a  number of Crest Recycling Bags blowing about on the tram tracks and up our road. This along with the advertising or "how to recycle" paper work that goes with them.

On a more positive note the Garden Recycling team did, this morning, take away the Christmas tree as advertised this morning.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 28, 2015, 03:56:17 PM
We had the new trolleybocs thing delivered on Wednesday, went out on Friday for collection, all fine so far, went out this afternoon, came back and it had blown over! Now the handle on the paper box is broken! Not a lot of use in the real world of winds!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on August 26, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
Conwy council to undertake one of the biggest ever recycling surveys in Wales
Following the rollout of the Trolibocs system and having achieved a recycling rate of 59 per cent, the council is seeking to continue its success by launching the ‘recycle more survey’.

The survey, which will be sent out to households across conwy over the next two weeks in the form of 50,000 questionnaires, is designed to find out how the council can help residents recycle more and waste less.

Dave Cowans, councillor responsible for environment and sustainability, said: “What the people of Conwy have done in getting to 59 per cent recycling has been fantastic.
“Our weekly recycling collection service has been hugely popular and now we want to find out how we can get even more out of the wheelie bin and into the food bin and Trolibocs.
"Everyone has a part to play and I would ask everyone to fill out the survey.”

Andrew Wilkinson, head of neighbourhood services, said: “It’s no secret that councils have less money to spend.
"Last year we could have saved a staggering £1.6 million if people had placed all of their recyclables into the recycling containers instead of the wheelie bin.

“That is literally throwing away money, which we can’t afford. We need residents to help us take the next step towards a better environment by wasting less and recycling more.”
The survey will also be available online on Conwy Council’s website.
Once the surveys have been collated and examined, the results will be made public
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/151944/conwy-council-to-undertake-one-of-the-biggest-ever-recycling-surveys-in-wales.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/151944/conwy-council-to-undertake-one-of-the-biggest-ever-recycling-surveys-in-wales.aspx)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DVT on August 27, 2015, 09:04:05 AM
Wonder how much notice will be taken of survey results!

Recycling target should be zero ... i.e. no waste ... not 50% or 60% or whatever figure someone comes up with.

But isn't the problem not that we all throw away so much, but the fact that we have so much we have to throw away ... is anyone addressing the fact that there is simply too much packaging on products ... tackle the problem at source.

... and conversely, how would we get cheap products made from re-cycled material if there was no re-cycled material in the first place!!!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area ( Beach Litter)
Post by: SteveH on March 23, 2016, 01:00:07 PM
UK beach litter rises by a third, report finds

The amount of rubbish found dumped on UK beaches rose by a third last year, according to a new report.

More than 8,000 plastic bottles were collected by the Marine Conservation Society’s annual beach clean-up at seaside locations from Orkney to the Channel Islands on one weekend last September.
On average, 99 bottles were picked up along every kilometrecleaned by volunteers. It is estimated that plastic bottles can take up to 500 years to break down once in the sea.

The charity’s report reveals a 34% rise in beach litter overall between 2014 and 2015, the largest ever amount of litter per kilometre (3,298 pieces) and a record-breaking number of volunteers, just over 6,000, taking part.

“The bottles we find on beaches are either dropped directly onto the beach, blown from land or sea, or end up there via rivers. The more we use as a nation, the more we’ll see ending up on our shores.”

All countries saw an increase in litter, except Wales, where litter levels dropped after a record rise last year . However, in the last decade, average litter levels on Welsh beaches have increased by 51%. England suffered record levels of litter across 189 beaches.
MORE..http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/23/uk-beach-litter-rises-by-a-third-report-finds (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/23/uk-beach-litter-rises-by-a-third-report-finds)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on May 27, 2016, 05:08:39 PM
I wonder if the new bin collections will increase recycling.?

The amount people in Wales are recycling is on the up.
Nationally we are now recycling 59% of our waste but there are still huge regional variations. The 59% rate is above the Welsh Government’s target of 58% and up on the previous year.
But huge variations are shown between the 22 Welsh local authorities, Conwy BC stands 9th with 59% recycled.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/amount-people-wales-recycling-up-11393950# (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/amount-people-wales-recycling-up-11393950#)

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: DVT on May 27, 2016, 08:55:28 PM
Surely the target figure should be 0% ... there should be nothing to recycle - no waste.

The source of the problem does not seem to be getting tackled - i.e. the huge amount of packaging on everything bought in the stops.

No waste = nothing to recycle = no problems with landfill, etc.

Those of a certain age will recall the time when the amount of household waste hardly filled half a bin each week.  Packaging and newspapers would have been used on the coal fires, food waste would have gone on  the compost heap.  The only things in the bin would be the odd tin that some of the foodstuff came in.

Yes, my wife and I do recycle everything we can - it's a pain trying to deal with all the boxes and bins, then sorting out which ones to put out each week.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 17, 2016, 05:32:03 PM
Put our recycling bins out last night as usual, garden waste collected this morning but by 4pm the recycling had not been collected from me and at least two other properties. Rang up to complain and mentioned  that I had seen two recycling trucks drive slowly past without stopping!  I was told it would be collected within two working days, must mean by Tuesday! Let's hope we do not get windy weather in the meantime!  &shake&
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: mull on June 18, 2016, 09:48:57 AM
Same here on Mull. Put waste paper bin out last Tuesday and not emptied until yesterday. Excuse due to the lorry breaking down.
Problem were I live in the village is en route from the top car park to Iona ferry and people start using it for general rubbish eg dog poo, dirty nappies.
No answer to this problem so far.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 20, 2016, 07:32:13 AM
They have just collected the recycling from us, we noticed that a nearby road had also been missed last Friday!  &shake&
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on June 20, 2016, 08:02:55 AM
One problems with recycling is the garden waste collection system. It makes sense to have a weekly collection between May and September, fortnightly for April and October then once every three or four weeks for the winter months. At this time of the year we're filling enough bags to fuel a power station by ourselves, yet during winter the bags barely go out. I'd have thought they could adapt to that.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 20, 2016, 08:48:57 AM
We had 6 bags of gardening waste out a couple of weeks ago, they only emptied 4, no idea why? Perhaps the truck was getting full?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on June 20, 2016, 09:11:25 AM
Possibly.  Everyone is producing a huge amount of garden waste at the moment, so I think they need to move to a more flexible model of collection.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 20, 2016, 10:22:31 AM
Not unexpected at this time ever of year, unless it involves forward  planning by CCBC!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on July 30, 2016, 11:02:36 AM
Call to ban polystyrene fast food containers following success of carrier bag charge......... $good$

England is today celebrating that six billion fewer plastic bags are set to be taken home this year after the country adopted a charge pioneered in Wales.
Single use carrier bags stopped being given away for free in Wales in 2011. Bag usage reduced by 71% between 2011 and 2014 and the 5p charge raised up to £22m for good causes during this time.

The UK Government reports today that the 5p charge in England has raised more than £29m for good causes.
More than seven billion carrier bags were issued by seven main retailers in England in 2014, but this has fallen to “just over half a billion in the first six months” of the 5p charge being in place.

Gill Bell of the Marine Conservation Society (MCS) now wants the Welsh Government to lead the way once more and supports a ban on polystyrene fast food packaging.
There is a key concern that polystyrene breaks down into tiny fragments which release toxic chemicals in the water – and also attract other toxic chemicals to their surface. The MCS points out that more than 100 North American and European cities have either banned polystyrene food packaging or are about to.

“Everyone has a responsibility to play their part in ensuring that we all have a more positive impact on the environment which we too often take for granted.”

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/call-ban-polystyrene-fast-food-11681553 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/call-ban-polystyrene-fast-food-11681553)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dave on September 29, 2016, 09:40:25 PM
Having had our recycling trolley bis emptied just the once in the last five weeks, and then by special arrangement after several complaints, I am at the point of opting out altogether.
It all started when the department responsible decided to re-organise our local collection. They decided to change our house from a trolley box to green wheelie bins, which we don't have and they won't give us as we are a 2 person household. If we put our trolley box out at the same point as next door who do have a green wheelie bin, ours is ignored whilst next door's bins are emptied. I'm told that's because trolley boxes have 5 different categories, bins only 3 and the combinations are different ( eh? Make sense of that if you will). The other houses along our road have trolley bins but if we put ours out they just drive past as we are not on the list for collection.
Frustrated? You bet !
It's 100m to our pick up point so the containers stay there until such a time as they are emptied. In the meantime rubbish backs up in the house.
Try phoning the refuse department in Mochdre and it's worse than phoning BT. You are usually hanging on for someone to answer for at least 15 minutes. After at least 6 or 7 calls trying to get someone to action our problem I have got fed up of complaining, fed up of sitting waiting in a phone queue waiting for them to answer. I took their automated voice advice and sent an email.An automated response told me they promised to look in to the content and respond within 10 working days....2 weeks. :rage:
I informed them that it doesn't take a genius just to add us to the correct list for scheduled collection. Their verbal responses of referring my problem to the supervisor shouldn't be needed, it doesn't take a genius to solve a simple problem. :rage:
However, the ultimatum is that if they don't collect the recycling tomorrow, the day everyone else's trolley boxes gets sorted (and the one we used to be on) I will simply throw everything in to my black wheelie bin, at least that gets emptied still, albeit every three weeks. :o
Oh, and I requested they deliver an extra black wheelie bin to make up for it. WWW

Tomorrow is going to be interesting.

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on September 29, 2016, 11:22:35 PM
It's an embarrassing shambles isn't it?
It's about EU recycling targets, (but we are leaving the EU allegedly), coupled with the desperate need to save money.  Yet they can still pay outrageous and undeserved salaries to endless layers of management and vast amounts to CCBC staff who have been off work sick with 'stress' for over a year!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dave on September 30, 2016, 06:15:14 AM
I'm a big fan of recycling so dumping all my rubbish in one container is not something I want to do.
I do wonder how the Recycling dept work if whoever answers the phone can arrange to deliver as many bins and bags as requested ( at no expense to the household) yet can't make a simple decision to change our collection day to fit in with what is the obvious emptying round.
Don't mention stress or you'll start me off. I had a married work colleague who took a year off with stress whilst starting up their own business. Nothing you could do about it, just had to cover for them. They resigned a week after coming back to work. When I look back now I think who was the mug? Everyone is at it now.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dave on September 30, 2016, 06:25:18 PM
I know you have all been anxiously waiting on my news, once again the collection lorry ignored our trolley boxes.. Black wheelie bin from now on and I'm considering leaving my trolley box outside the council offices to see how long they take to empty it there.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on October 01, 2016, 02:06:05 PM
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I know you have all been anxiously waiting on my news, once again the collection lorry ignored our trolley boxes.. Black wheelie bin from now on and I'm considering leaving my trolley box outside the council offices to see how long they take to empty it there.

You were left with little choice Dave.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Meleri on October 01, 2016, 02:54:25 PM
Dave,

Why don't you go to the top and e-mail Councillor Dave Cowans he is the Cabinet Member for Environmental Services which includes refuse collection etc.His e-mail is cllr.dave.cowans@conwy.gov.uk
I'm sure he would be very interested in what has been going on and you may if your lucky get a result  ££$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dave on October 01, 2016, 03:42:25 PM
Thanks Meleri, I have sent him an email as well as a link to this thread.
We'll see what happens next, indeed we'll see how long it takes to get a response of any kind.
cheers Dave
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dave on October 03, 2016, 12:12:33 PM
Received an apologetic phone call from someone on the council who's name and position I failed to grasp. He was phoning as a result of the email to Councillor Cowans being forwarded to him. He has assured me he will look in to it and make sure that the right person actions the necessary to ensure the recycling is collected this week.
Included in the conversation were multiple apologies, mentions of someone being off sick ( stress no doubt), and promises to look in to it and deal with the situation.
I told him I don't want apologies I just want my recycling collecting.

What should have happened is a phone call telling me that action has been taken. You are now back on your correct day for collection, but in the meantime can we send someone to collect your rubbish as it must be growing in volume considerably by now.

Going to the top so to speak makes a difference but it shouldn't be necessary.

Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on October 03, 2016, 01:30:54 PM
Very true Dave, it really shouldn't be necessary, it just illustrates that the layers of line management are unable to deal with a simple issue.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dave on October 03, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
Well someone got their backsides in gear and came and emptied our bins late this afternoon. Had we known that was going to happen we could have taken a whole load more down to the collection point but enough of that, we should be satisfied that at least half has gone now.
I wonder how much influence this forum has had on the outcome? Certainly the suggestion to email Cllr Cowans seemed to get thing moving, mind you he must be a busy man. He forwarded my email but didn't have time to CC me on who it had been passed to, nor the time to tell me he had done something about it. Left that to the minion.
I wonder if they are reading this? It would do them the world of good to do so, along with all our other representatives and employees who's wages we pay.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: born2run on October 27, 2016, 01:40:17 PM
More and more people are complaining about this now - I've seen three posts on my facebook just this morning. Isn't there a petition or demonstration or some action that can be done?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on April 28, 2017, 02:31:52 PM
Our black bin was due to be emptied 10 days ago. My wife 'phoned the Environment dept and was assured it would be done. She made three more calls over several days and I eventually filled in the form on the website.  All to no avail. Today, at 1220, I emailed Dave Cowans who has responsibility for the department. At 1410 it was emptied.

It shouldn't take having to 'phone the cllr in charge for a response. But many thanks and Kudos to Dave Cowans.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on April 28, 2017, 03:27:48 PM
I noticed on Thursday, the garden waste team in new Biffa overalls, is it just this team or is all waste services contracted out ?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: TheMedz on April 28, 2017, 04:45:20 PM
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I noticed on Thursday, the garden waste team in new Biffa overalls, is it just this team or is all waste services contracted out ?
Maybe that would explain why they didn't bother taking mine away this week and resulted in me having to take  it to Mochdre tip in the back of the car.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on May 19, 2017, 03:25:21 PM
Recycling body criticises Pringles and Lucozade packaging.

The Recycling Association named them in a list of products that pose the biggest challenges for reuse.

Informative article.....  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39953209 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39953209)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on May 19, 2017, 04:06:04 PM
I saw a guy on TV yesterday talking about those packages and some containers, for example Coffee Mate are as bad as the Pringles package.
They contain a number of different materials and I never know which stacker bin they should go in. 
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on May 20, 2017, 12:55:59 AM
I keep trying to weigh up cleaning fluid bottles and various types of food packaging....

My next door neighbour ( a CCBC Manager who was instrumental in bringing in the stacker bins scheme)  kept telling me I was wrong, ... so from that that point on, I gave up, they go to landfill... simple!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on October 27, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
With the news in the NWWN  this week that from next Wednesday there will be a charge for getting rid of non household waste at the Mochdre waste disposal site the place has been busier than usual
I was there twice yesterday and once this morning but I'll be there again this afternoon.

At least it has given me the incentive to get rid of some items and have a good clear out but from next Wednesday it will all have to be paid for.     It's economy measures by the CCBC but will it lead to an increase in fly tipping now that people have to pay for getting rid of unwanted non household items.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on October 27, 2017, 01:12:41 PM
I agree, I think it will be a false ecomomy, the costs mentioned by CCBC  for clearing fly tipping, is extremely high, also I suspect a greater use of the black bins, will cause further problems.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bosun on October 27, 2017, 01:43:04 PM
I have discussed this with my neighbours and we are all in agreement; that this is stupid and extremely short-sighted move that will without doubt be a huge blight the Conwy.

It is my intention in twelve months time to make a Freedom of Information demand for the costs of dealing with fly-tipping over the past five years.  We can now start placing bets now on the increase in the next twelve months over previous years. 500%? 1000%?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: squigglev2 on October 27, 2017, 01:50:32 PM
Perhaps they would be better trying what our local council does with what they call DIY waste?  I don't know how they monitor it but you are restricted to 1 large (eg. a bath or a door) item or an 80L bag per week free of charge at the recycling centres.

https://www.norfolk.gov.uk/rubbish-recycling-and-planning/rubbish-and-recycling/diy-waste (https://www.norfolk.gov.uk/rubbish-recycling-and-planning/rubbish-and-recycling/diy-waste)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: born2run on October 27, 2017, 01:54:23 PM
The council seem to take the Texan approach with a lot of things - this being a primer.
Instead of setting aside cost to make sure problems don't happen, they set aside cost to fix the problems.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on October 27, 2017, 04:27:30 PM
I've just come back from the Recycling place in Mochdre and the place was in gridlock.  I waited about 20 minutes before I moved in the queue but in all fairness to the staff it wasn't their fault at all.
The sheer volume of traffic trying to get rid of materials before Wednesday's charges was unprecedented and the staff were on the ball and helping everyone there.

More fly tipping and more non household stuff going in the black bin is inevitable in my opinion following these charges
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on October 27, 2017, 11:30:28 PM
But the vast majority of household waste will still be free to dispose of, what’s the panic here?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on October 30, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
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But the vast majority of household waste will still be free to dispose of, what’s the panic here?

I hope that I am wrong but you'll soon see what the problem is.     At the moment the tipping at the Mochdre site is free but fly tipping is still a big problem, so what is it going to be like when it's not free to tip there?

I've just come back from Mochdre after taking a car load of tiles down there and it was jam packed with others doing the same.  I'll be there again this afternoon and possibly tomorrow.   If I have any more on Wednesday then I'll have to pay for the privilege of doing it and would never consider fly tipping but not everyone can afford it and some are unscrupulous anyway.

Bri Roberts, hope that you have got that fence panel now, because if not it'll cost you at least another £4.00 on Wednesday to get rid of it      :o
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: squigglev2 on October 30, 2017, 04:19:00 PM
I suspect Hugo is right and that any charge will put some off using the facility.  I'd still be interested in his views regarding how what I see as a compromise position might work, ie. one where the amount of stuff you can dispose of in a week is restricted.  That way, Brian would still be able to dispose of his old fence panel for free but would either have to pay or dispose of more in stages.

I'm not aware of the state of fly tipping in this area which may simply mean i don't go where it happens.  An annoyance to me is a different dumping. Car drivers seem to use a road junction close by as a dumping ground for takeaway packaging, I guess throw out at this stopping point before going the last mile or two home.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Dave on October 31, 2017, 02:02:33 PM
I'm sure you can guarantee fly tipping will increase which will in turn prove expensive if the council then have to clear it up. A word of warning though, if someone dumps rubbish on your land it's your responsibility to get rid of it, it has to be on public land for the council to get involved. There are many who couldn't be bothered to drive an extra mile or two to dispose of their rubbish before charges came in, it's bound to increase now. It also encourages households to have bonfires to dispose of certain types of rubbish too, such as fence panels whereas I would have though they were of some use if they were recycled them.
What I find particularly annoying though is that if evidence is found linking the rubbish disposed of to an address it is of little use as the person who originally owned the rubbish can claim they paid someone to take it away and it was not of their doing. The tippers have to be caught in the act which makes it very, very difficult to prosecute the guilty parties.

As far as reducing council costs by implementing charges I would have thought that a successful recycling programme could be self funding, there is a lot of metal and reusable household items that have an obvious value to start with. I'm told glass is ground down and added to tar and stones to make road coverings, paper is recycled too. Building rubble becomes hard core etc etc.
If the council really want to reduce costs they could begin by looking inwardly at under employed staff, overpaid management and big spending on things like council offices and the likes. Certainly household rates have gone up beyond the level of inflation for several years and yet we seem to get less and less in the way of a return.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: llewelyn on October 31, 2017, 06:08:34 PM
I do know a couple of council staff and the stories they tell me make me angry, not with them but their bosses. To get a very good salary for very little effort. lots of sickness absence on full pay. No private employer would operate this way.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: squigglev2 on November 01, 2017, 06:53:12 PM
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I do know a couple of council staff and the stories they tell me make me angry, not with them but their bosses. To get a very good salary for very little effort. lots of sickness absence on full pay. No private employer would operate this way.

Not specificlly recycling but i reply to t he above comment,,,

Pretty well impoaiible to give a view there LL, without going beyond reasonableness for this forum but I do know my father who opted out after a spell ill  health and a chance to get back to Pydew was of a view, shall I say even above him when he worked at LL and later Bodlondeb would not have survived his once business world (managing a branch at the end in affluent Tundbridge wells and with the only promotions routes a London job or maybe a regional manager’’. For  a Three towns Reference, I think he opened or at least was early in CB, Abbey on Penhryn Road/??

Your comment isn’t clear but I’d doubt even he would see the privitisaion together with layers of profit fore shareholders as a solution.

He’s pretty old now and can have “bad times” but maybe I can try to ask him on experiences both in private and public if you like?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Meleri on November 02, 2017, 04:41:00 PM
Mr M went to the Recycling Centre at Mochdre this morning as we were unable to get there before the cut off date for charging was implemented. On arrival he was told the ticket machines were out of order so no charge  ;D
When will CCBC get it right  &shake&
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on November 02, 2017, 04:45:36 PM
You jammy person Meleri,     I've got some more stuff to go there and will probably have more after the plasterer and tiler have completed their work on my house.

I've taken about 8 car loads full this week but there's a lot more still to go     :'(
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on November 15, 2017, 05:59:18 PM
Monthly bin collections for ALL households look set to be rolled out by council.

Article and 23 comments....
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/monthly-bin-collections-households-look-13904296 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/monthly-bin-collections-households-look-13904296)


Just noticed this story from Flintshire,
Garden waste collection charges to be introduced by this North Wales council
The authority believes the changes could generate an additional £958,000 a year as it battles to balance the books

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/garden-waste-collection-charges-introduced-13905007 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/garden-waste-collection-charges-introduced-13905007)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on November 15, 2017, 06:14:53 PM
I wonder what the extra cost for fly tipping will now be for the Council now that charges are being introduced.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on November 16, 2017, 03:59:52 PM
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I wonder what the extra cost for fly tipping will now be for the Council now that charges are being introduced.

Hundreds of thousands of pounds in taxpayers’ money is being forked out to clear up after fly-tippers.

Between them local authorities in North Wales paid £305,660 to tidy up illegally dumped waste across the region in 2016/17.
Councils recorded a total of 5,975 incidents of fly-tipping - a 4.3 per cent rise compared with the previous year.

But just three people were prosecuted in North Wales in relation to offences of fly-tipping - two in Denbighshire and one in Conwy.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/fly-tippers-costing-taxpayers-hundreds-13911530 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/fly-tippers-costing-taxpayers-hundreds-13911530)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bosun on November 17, 2017, 09:17:27 AM
Local lady went to Mochre with an Asda carrier bag of bits of wood from her garden fence. She was told that it was DIY waste and it would cost her £3 for them to recieve it. She demurred, and they told her to take it home and put it in her black bin. Which she did.

A brilliant system.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on November 17, 2017, 10:03:20 AM
I've just come back from Mochdre after taking two large paint tins of rubble there ( equal to a bag of rubble)   and the cost was £3.00.
The place was deserted apart from the people who work there.   They are always polite and helpful when I've been there before but this time they took the tins to the skip for me.
It looked like I was the first person to call there today, which was completely different to my last visit when the cars were queuing back to Dinerth Road waiting to go in to the waste  disposal site before they started charging
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 17, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
I can see many people burning waste in the back garden, Bevans in the Bay View Centre have very good garden incinerators for just £10!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on November 17, 2017, 05:51:30 PM
I got a nice hand axe from B&M, (great shop that), and I’m going to chop up all my garden waste and fencing in the spring, and put it in the chimnea which has not been used in 10years.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on November 17, 2017, 07:51:18 PM
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I can see many people burning waste in the back garden, Bevans in the Bay View Centre have very good garden incinerators for just £10!

what!    I've recently paid them £15.00 for mine.       :'(               :rage:
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: SteveH on November 17, 2017, 09:05:17 PM
So on top of the expected rise in fly tipping, the air quality is going to suffer.....  WWW
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on November 18, 2017, 08:14:43 AM
And it seems fly tipping continues to get worse (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42025235)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bosun on November 21, 2017, 08:40:53 AM
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/monthly-bin-collections-households-rejected-13929979 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/monthly-bin-collections-households-rejected-13929979)

For a change, common sense.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on November 21, 2017, 10:49:27 AM
Common sense should prevail.     $good$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on November 22, 2017, 03:45:49 PM
My house roof has been leaking and this week we had a roofer there to fix it.   He did an excellent job and as a result I've got about 36 old concrete roof tiles to take back to the Mochdre Waste Disposal site.    He also filled 4 garden bags with moss but
they can be collected with the normal  household collection rubbish.
I took the 36 tiles back to Mochdre today and they were weighed and the cost was £18.00.   It was very quiet there with about 3 or 4 vehicles disposing of rubbish but the person I spoke to said that business has definitely slowed down since the charges were imposed.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: mull on November 22, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
Think I would have buried the roof tiles in the garden.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: mondie on November 22, 2017, 07:15:42 PM
yeah, that or have snuck a few in the bin each month  :P

Its weather like today that reminds me how silly our recycling system is. Our house is very open and we end up with a yard full or recycling getting blown around. On my lunchtime walk today and there are individual recycling bins blown all over the place with their trolleys laying on their side stripped of all containers. Why does CCBC recycle this way, is it due to a lack of sorting station as it makes no sense?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on November 22, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
I was disappointed to read in the NWWN that the fly tippers have been in action on the top of the Great Orme.   It's not surprising, but CCBC have got to do something about it before it gets out of hand and they should install CCTV cameras or covert cameras on the Orme.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on November 24, 2017, 12:36:57 PM
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My house roof has been leaking and this week we had a roofer there to fix it.   He did an excellent job and as a result I've got about 36 old concrete roof tiles to take back to the Mochdre Waste Disposal site.    He also filled 4 garden bags with moss but
they can be collected with the normal  household collection rubbish.
I took the 36 tiles back to Mochdre today and they were weighed and the cost was £18.00.   It was very quiet there with about 3 or 4 vehicles disposing of rubbish but the person I spoke to said that business has definitely slowed down since the charges were imposed.

Any chance you can recommend the roofer please Hugo?
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on November 24, 2017, 06:42:33 PM
His name is Gareth Williams and his mobile number is 07768004776 and I must say how pleased we were with his work.   He was recommended to me by a plasterer who has worked on my house recently and I've spoken to others since, who have been very pleased with his work also.
Our house needed scaffolding but his son is a scaffolder and it was all arranged for us.    Both prices were very reasonable    $good$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Fester on November 24, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Brilliant.. thanks. 
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 01, 2017, 10:32:07 AM
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I can see many people burning waste in the back garden, Bevans in the Bay View Centre have very good garden incinerators for just £10!

Works well! This was some woodworm infested plywood!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 01, 2017, 10:33:16 AM
It's the right way up on my phone!
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 01, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
Send a message to Ian and he will turn it for you.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on December 01, 2017, 02:52:27 PM
It looks good on its side just like a rocket.      I could do with that inside my house right now, that some serious burning ME.  $good$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Nemesis on December 01, 2017, 08:16:27 PM
Know what you men Hugo, we have just had a new boiler to replace ours which was well over 30 years old and spent almost 48 hours without heat or hot water whilst it was fitted. It was like going back 50 years to when all we had was a coal fire ! We now have clouds of steam shooting out into the back yard !
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 01, 2017, 10:24:05 PM
Thanks for correcting the image Ian!   $good$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Ian on December 02, 2017, 08:11:49 AM
 $thanx$
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on December 05, 2017, 06:06:34 PM
Conwy Council shelve plans for a 4 week black bin collection



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-42243420 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-42243420)
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on December 06, 2017, 10:30:02 PM
The wind is over 40 mph outside and it's bin day tomorrow, it'll be interesting to see if anyone has put their bin out tonight.
Mine's in the garage and staying there until the morning
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 06, 2017, 10:39:42 PM
No wind down here, Hugo.
Title: Re: Recycling across the area
Post by: Hugo on December 07, 2017, 09:34:42 AM
You're lucky then Bri,  I took my dog for a walk yesterday and didn't go on my normal walk as the tall trees were swaying like mad and I didn't fancy one landing on my bonce.
Those trees were near to this one that came down a while ago when I went out one morning with my dog