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Title: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 16, 2010, 08:53:54 PM
 :(  Now those of you that know me will realise i love Llandudno's xmas lights with a passion,with Alworths,Pandora, Smyths toys all showing faith in Llandudno it would have been nice for the town council to have made an extra effort this year too show all the Llandudno buisnesses they appreciate their loyalty too the town and prove they have our town's best interests.Why can the council show NO interest in the town center at xmas,they insist in being the very last town too turn on the few lights they have and refuse to have the parade before december.Don't get me wrong,xmas is in December but this is a tourist and shopping town and the idea is to bring people into town and the dinosaurs in the council have no idea.  
Title: Re: LLANDUDNO CHRISTMAS ILLUMINATIONS
Post by: DaveR on September 16, 2010, 09:00:09 PM
You're right, as always, Wrex. Those new LED lights they bought last year were so dim that they had very little impact:

Title: Re: LLANDUDNO CHRISTMAS ILLUMINATIONS
Post by: Trojan on September 16, 2010, 09:29:25 PM
The older type looked much better.
Title: Re: LLANDUDNO CHRISTMAS ILLUMINATIONS
Post by: Fester on September 16, 2010, 11:14:28 PM
But even then...they weren't THAT impressive were they?

The Queen of Welsh Resorts deserves a much better Xmas display than that....
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on September 17, 2010, 08:51:57 AM
Llandudno TC has always dragged its collective feet over the Xmas lights. Odd, considering Llandudno's status.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 17, 2010, 04:42:14 PM
 ;D Odd Ian,i thought more disgusting or pathetic or shear ignorant.Why do you think the whole town council could'nt give a damn what the town looks like at christmas,what also i cannot understand how all these shop owners and managers don't kick up a fuss,why is it left to people on a forum to disguss simple matters.Mostyn champneys and Parc Llandudno are just as bad,not a light or xmas tree between them[and Asda]. :'(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on September 17, 2010, 07:36:28 PM
I can help you on that last point, Rex.   In the early '90s, Alan C and a group of friends attempted to light the whole of Llandudno with the ex-Leeds lights, which Alan had managed to buy, at a bargain price. However, neither the council nor the shops were willing to cough up   for the actual hanging and connecting of the lights - which is actually what costs the money. The Vic Centre does a nice job, but getting the shops to contribute is a massive uphill battle - which it shouldn't be, since it's in their interests to do it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 18, 2010, 07:32:29 PM
 :-[To be fair Ian i think the shops pay their rates for the town council too provide christmas lights and so do we pay rates and look what we get,naff all. :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on September 19, 2010, 08:18:46 AM
I take your point, Rex;  but the biggest problem doesn't seem to be the actual lights as such, but rather the putting up of said illuminations. And I do agree totally that Llandudno should be ablaze from November onwards with festive brightness.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on September 19, 2010, 09:32:42 AM
A few years ago - or to be more precise the year it cost LTC a fortune in a failed attempt to produce the ALice Themed lights - the problem of hanging the lights wa a major cost.  For Health and Safety reasons, and due to the weight of the hangings, ALL anchor points had to be fully load tested by a qualified Testing company such as Lloyds Group Testing and a full appraisal made.  New anchorages would have had to be provided in some of the old building fronts and the cost was prohibitive.  D)

I do not know whether the testing etc was actually completed but the flimsy ropes of lights we had last year would tend to indicate otherwise.

I also believe that the anchorages are still subject to Statutory testing before new lights can be installed.  Unless, of course, someone knows otherwise.

No doubt the Town Clerk will have commissioned a "RISK ASSESSMENT".    )*)&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 19, 2010, 10:24:24 AM
 ;)These days there can be no weight in lights,the council could use it as an excuse for not bothering,if you pick up the lights you can buy in homebase and feel the weight it is not a issue now the issue is the council have NO DESIRE toimprove the town center whatsoever,i have bleated on for the last twelve years and acheived NOWT.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on September 19, 2010, 12:40:32 PM
Testing is a matter of safety and possible Public Liability.  No testing - no insurance cover!   D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on September 19, 2010, 02:52:23 PM
I believe that money was spent a year or two back on replacing the cables and their supports. If only they'd have a spent a bit more money to get some decent lights to hang on them!  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 21, 2010, 07:27:26 AM
 ;)  Wrex's xmas light plan .    Start with a tree on the Links roundabout the gateway too Llandudno,then lights down the lamposts as far as bogisland[like Conwy bridge], then we need Mostyn Champneys,Parc Llandudno and Asda tooput illuminations along their verandas and car parks.We then have bogisland what a lovely area too illuminate over xmas .Now all we need is ONE councillor too bring the subject up in chamber and convince CllEvans and co that xmas is for children and retail,tourism .It will not spoil going too church it will make it more of a pleasure.LLANDUDNO TOWN COUNCIL PLEASE TRY TOO OBLIGE. ))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 22, 2010, 12:06:24 PM
 ::)  Cll Bertola says he is pleased with the comitment of new shops opening lets hope he and his fellow councillors comitt to the xmas lights :P
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on September 23, 2010, 07:28:21 AM
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To be fair Ian i think the shops pay their rates for the town council too provide christmas lights and so do we pay rates and look what we get,naff all.

I asked (one who should know) about the lights last night and a few things emerged.  Firstly, the business rates don't go to Llandudno TC;  they're collected by Conwy CC and then sent on to Central Government, so effectively shops ain't paying towards the lights. Secondly, the lights this year are not going to be much at all.  One reason for this is that the five-yearly safety stress testing is taking place next year, but the cost has to be borne out of this year's budget.  Finally, whenever the lights get switched on, vast numbers of bulbs vanish within a day or so, particularly from NW Island.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on September 23, 2010, 08:45:22 AM
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I asked (one who should know) about the lights last night and a few things emerged.  Firstly, the business rates don't go to Llandudno TC;  they're collected by Conwy CC and then sent on to Central Government, so effectively shops ain't paying towards the lights. Secondly, the lights this year are not going to be much at all.  One reason for this is that the five-yearly safety stress testing is taking place next year, but the cost has to be borne out of this year's budget.  Finally, whenever the lights get switched on, vast numbers of bulbs vanish within a day or so, particularly from NW Island.
It's still an extremely poor situation, as the decorative lighting budget is probably the largest amount of money that the Town Council spend and the results are, frankly, mediocre at best.

All this stuff about bulbs being stolen is pretty much a diversion, in my view. 90% of the bulbs are out of reach and, anyway, how do other towns manage to have successful Christmas lighting?

Last couple of years, there have been problems with large parts of the Christmas lighting simply not being switched on, presumably due to faults. Why someone from the Town Council cant just walk up and down Mostyn Street, make a note of the problems, and then pass the list on to the maintenance people, I don't know?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on September 23, 2010, 09:59:34 AM
DaveR said : "Why someone from the Town Council cant just walk up and down Mostyn Street, make a note of the problems, and then pass the list on to the maintenance people, I don't know?"

Come, come Dave, of course you know, just as we all do!   ;)

They are just a load of inefficient, unconcerned, apathetic, indifferent, uninterested bunch of tossers, who get themselves elected on false promises and then do absolutely b****r all for the Community.   Many of them cannot even keep up a reasonable attendance record at Council Meetings.   Z**

And you expect them to make notes?  - Probably they are incapable of even stringing two words together on a piece of paper and will want fancy electronic memo recorders if we expect such from them.  )*)&

The whole bunch need sacking, a class of first year infants could do better!   D)


Though I would add a post script - I do belive there is one who deserves a pat on the back!   No names though!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 23, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
 :-* Yorkie this is a bit harsh,im sure they all do a little bit of good,but trying to get the bunch of them to organise xmas lights and they are not capable.Which ever councillor Ian spoke too and accepted all that bull from them i don't know but there is no desire too improve this town when it comes too xmas lights,no matter what utter rubbish they phobe you of with. Why shop owners and managers never highlight this as it is in their buissnesses interest to make the town welcoming is beyond me. Where is the LLANDUDNO REGENERATION COMMITTEE when we need them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on September 23, 2010, 02:03:11 PM
I think that most of the Town Councillors are decent people who mean well...but there is such a culture of gentle indifference at the Town Council that is difficult to get any real momentum going with any issue or problem.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on September 23, 2010, 04:00:27 PM
I think my promotion to Lieutenant must have got the better of me!   L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 23, 2010, 05:35:28 PM
 :( Dave you could'nt have put it any better,it onlt takes the godfather to speak and the whole subject is left to rot,its as if the rest of the councillors are scared to speak out after the godfather has spoken.The big problem we have is none of them are aware there is a problem in the begining,the lights ars PATHETIC. :-[
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on September 23, 2010, 06:24:45 PM
Well maybe it is time to get rid of the Godfather, or do you mean Philip Evans?   A Town Councillor for nearly 40 years and still presiding over one of the most deprived Wards in the whole of Wales.  He does not seem to have done any better as a Member of the County Council.  He has,of course, been Mayor twice - first of the old Aberconwy and then Llandudno Council.   ))*

Give him a Rail Rover ticket and he is in Heaven!!    L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 23, 2010, 10:52:33 PM
 :D  It would be nice for him to give us a nice new rail station,i think its taken eleven years and that is something closes too his heart so anything else has no chance. 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on September 23, 2010, 11:38:01 PM
There is a Godfather in charge of the Council eh?

Perhaps he is waiting for someone to 'kiss his ring' before he moves on any of these issues.

Feel free to move that comment to ''less clean jokes''   L0L :laugh: _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on September 24, 2010, 08:54:22 AM
This seems the right place for it  *&(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 24, 2010, 05:11:42 PM
 ;D  Please lets have some illuminated rings with tinsel on,anything to make town a bit more xmasey
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 01, 2010, 07:42:46 AM
 :rage: Crying ,nobody cares. :( :weeping: :weeping:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 01, 2010, 07:52:42 AM
Talking to an ex-mayor the other night, who seems to feel that the real problem is the culture al inertia that grips the council. There's a depressing acceptance that things 'can't be done', and it's that acceptance which the vast majority of the councillors simply accept and refuse to challenge.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on October 01, 2010, 10:21:48 AM
The lights seem to have been on by the Clarence quite regularly. Early for this year--- or late for last?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 02, 2010, 03:04:31 PM
 :rage: There is plenty they could do and not all of it would cost a fortune,yes it will cost to put more strings across the road down to bogisland,but this shower have'nt even got a PLAN,why just one of them can't show the slightest interest is beyond me. :weeping:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 02, 2010, 03:39:03 PM
No good moaning about it on all the local Forums and Blogs - get out and LOBBY your Councillors!   ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 02, 2010, 04:27:27 PM
 ;DYorkie,i have bought this subject up in the council chamber andthey don't give a stuff,they just shrugg their shoulders,but remember a lot of councillors look at this forum,they do nothing about what they read but at least they know we are p......d off.Like a lot of people i will not give up wether they listen or NOT. :P
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 02, 2010, 09:35:22 PM
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No good moaning about it on all the local Forums and Blogs - get out and LOBBY your Councillors!   ;D

Yorkie, may I ask ..how DO you actually go about lobbying a councillor? (or a raft of councillors)

Is there a formal process to go through?
Is heckling them during council chambers in order?
Would bombarding them with letters or petitions get their attention?
What about taking to the streets with lighted torches?

Its a serious question this, because I genuinely do not know how to make politicians do anything that I would have them do.



Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 03, 2010, 12:26:12 AM
 ))*  How too lobby your councillors,get Judith Phillips too put the xmas lights on the front page of the north Wales weekley news and all of a sudden thirty councillors want too talk about it,easy.  D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 03, 2010, 04:15:42 PM
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No good moaning about it on all the local Forums and Blogs - get out and LOBBY your Councillors!   ;D

Yorkie, may I ask ..how DO you actually go about lobbying a councillor? (or a raft of councillors)

Its a serious question this, because I genuinely do not know how to make politicians do anything that I would have them do.

First get along to the Council Meetings and see who is who.  Introduce yourself to them and tell them your thoughts on whatever subject you wish.    Write to them, e-mail them, phone them and get anyone else who supports your ideas, thoughts or whatever to do the same.

If you wish to take to the streets with banners etc, do so but make sure you get it organised properly.

Lobbying is a profession for those who are good at it.
 ££$  ££$  ££$

p.s.  I was a Councillor in my earlier life and have discussed Town Lighting, in fact during the fiasco with the Alice Themed lighting.  _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 05, 2010, 09:17:49 PM
 :'(   :weeping:   :rage:   ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 19, 2010, 08:14:25 PM
 ¢¢##  Any sign of this years xmas illuminations going up yet :twoface:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on October 19, 2010, 08:23:33 PM
I think they're already up, Wrex! No expense has been spared (or should that be spent?) to give Wales' largest seaside resort a third rate Christmas lights display.... 

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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on October 19, 2010, 09:00:03 PM
  VV <:<:<:< VV
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 20, 2010, 08:46:19 AM
Let me be the first to wish everyone

A HAPPY CHRISTMAS


Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 20, 2010, 06:32:11 PM
 ¢¢##  Now we know i like to winge,especially about the xmas lights and there is no chance of any involvement from the council because this town just accepts sub standard crap from the town council and CCBC.   :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on October 20, 2010, 06:40:29 PM
Be fair, Wrex, you know that the Town Council has more important issues to sort out, like looking at a report on whether to purchase a teapot or not and, most importantly of all, deciding how long their tea breaks are to be for:

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on October 20, 2010, 07:40:31 PM
I'm about to get slated,
The locals in Penmaenmawr got fed up with CCBC fobbing them off over the xmas lights and so they set up a fund, not just for the shopkeepers but everyone who lives there, they hold fares and open days and organise all manner of events they even opened the "Light up Pen" cafe in the main street. They now 10 years later have an impressive array of xmas lights. As far as I'm aware the fund also pays for the extra electricity used by the illuminations.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 20, 2010, 09:27:10 PM
Why slated?   Thats just a great example of people taking the issue into thier own hands, and taking it seriously.

I'm not sure if there is a Llandudno Chamber of Commerce, or similar association, but that could be the commitee appropriate to taking this idea forward?

Or, perhaps the next benevolent scheme emanating from the local Freemason lodges could feature the town's Xmas lights?
I'm not being flippant here,  its just that I often hear about the large amount of charitable work undertaken by the Lodges,  so perhaps something visible and tangible in the town, like this, could be in order?

 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on October 20, 2010, 09:54:03 PM
Some Town & County Councils absolutely hate it when the citizens try and do things themselves - they think us oiks should just pay the rates and do what we're told. I say...

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 21, 2010, 08:20:18 PM
 :(  What exactly is the LLandudno hospitality doing about the lack of xmas lights ,surely this is something their members should be telling them to pressure the town council to get their act together.If the town looks good for xmas people may stay in Llandudno and use the hotels and restaurants. )*)&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on October 21, 2010, 08:33:51 PM
That's a good point, Wrex. You would have thought that the Llandudno Hospitality Association would have been pushing very hard for decent Christmas lights but we haven't heard a peep out of them. What about the Access Focus Forum or whatever it's called - have they made any representations to the Town Council? It's common sense that the town has to look attractive in order for people to want to come here and spend their money.

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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 21, 2010, 09:23:04 PM
There are LOADS of organisations which could conceivably be brought in to this ... even as far as the North Wales Tourist Board (who visited me recently) ... 2 very pretty, well meaning but ineffective young ladies.  They semed to have a lot of dosh to spread around.
Marketing initiatives going on as far away as London and the South Coast apparently??
Why should tourism invstment only focus on the summer months?
This town is very dead and miserable in Jan and Feb ... and well into March.   Something needs to be done about that, and more indoor facilities (particularly for kids) is the key.


Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 21, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
 :(  Considering Mostyn estates are supposed to be proud of Llandudno and have its interests at heart, how do they just sit there looking out over bogisland,seeing the lack of xmas lights and say nothing,this may prove that money is their real interest. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 22, 2010, 09:32:43 AM
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more indoor facilities (particularly for kids) is the key.


Absolutely.  Often thought that a skating rink could be a real winner.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Sara on October 22, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
I was thinking that myself Ian only the other day. Was going past the old Halfords and thought that if it could be extended a bit would make a great ice rink. Parking wouldn't be a problem.
I lived in Streatham, London as a teenager and we had an ice rink there, I skated 5 nights a week. Pair of Bauer hockey skates, heaven.
Keeps you fit too.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 23, 2010, 08:33:54 AM
 8)  Still waiting for Ski Llandudno to build their small icerink.Fair do's to Colwyn Bay town council they do try ,their lights are far more superior to ours and they do try iceskating ,unfortunately it did not pay,yes we know they have to make the effort unlike our own town council who just laugth at us and decide we don't need xmas lights we don't need to make any effort with the xmas parade,i can tell you now there will be nothing spectacular it will be exactly the same as last year,there is no AMBITION on the town council to improve anything in this town. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 23, 2010, 08:34:50 AM
Thing is there's an increasing number of ice rink companies setting up seasonal rinks, so it's not a massively difficult thing to do, apparently.  I imagine the refrigeration might be expensive in June - September, but that's the very time the visitors would be happy to pay.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on October 23, 2010, 08:38:30 AM
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I was thinking that myself Ian only the other day. Was going past the old Halfords and thought that if it could be extended a bit would make a great ice rink. Parking wouldn't be a problem.
I lived in Streatham, London as a teenager and we had an ice rink there, I skated 5 nights a week. Pair of Bauer hockey skates, heaven.
Keeps you fit too.

Used to frequent an ice rink in my teens, a train ride away, but we didn't care, and it was always packed. Same even further back when an old dance hall was used as a roller skating rink--it had a wood floor and you hired skates with wooden wheels. Hellish noisy, but always busy. Perhaps it was because there wasn't any daytime telly then !!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Sara on October 23, 2010, 08:51:05 AM
My Mum had a pair of those roller skates with the wooden wheels, when she used to skate at the Arcadia. I used them when I was younger. Unfortunately the wheels didn't last long on concrete, oops. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on October 23, 2010, 09:55:24 AM
True !!! :weeping:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 23, 2010, 10:54:47 AM
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My Mum had a pair of those roller skates with the wooden wheels, when she used to skate at the Arcadia. I used them when I was younger. Unfortunately the wheels didn't last long on concrete, oops. 

I used to go to Forest Gate Rollers Skating Rink and also Streatham Ice Rink.  That was more than a few years ago!       ¢¢##  ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Quiggs on October 23, 2010, 12:04:42 PM
I spent most of my pocket money at the Arcadia Rink, if you got a dodgy pair of hire skates, with a small flat spot on the wheels, caused by a sideways skid, your feet would tingle for hours afterwards.   :'(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on October 26, 2010, 07:47:27 AM
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:(  Considering Mostyn estates are supposed to be proud of Llandudno and have its interests at heart, how do they just sit there looking out over bogisland,seeing the lack of xmas lights and say nothing,this may prove that money is their real interest. :rage:

 VV The Town Council have made great strides since 2008 with regards to Christmas lighting Wrex, and Bog Island was one of the areas they concentrated on  VV

http://www.llandudno.gov.uk/xmas-lighting (http://www.llandudno.gov.uk/xmas-lighting)

 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on October 26, 2010, 07:55:31 AM
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8)  Still waiting for Ski Llandudno to build their small icerink.Fair do's to Colwyn Bay town council they do try ,their lights are far more superior to ours and they do try iceskating ,unfortunately it did not pay,yes we know they have to make the effort unlike our own town council who just laugth at us and decide we don't need xmas lights we don't need to make any effort with the xmas parade,i can tell you now there will be nothing spectacular it will be exactly the same as last year,there is no AMBITION on the town council to improve anything in this town. :rage:

It looks as if it will be pretty spectacular Wrex  %0% and it's also billed as A traditional Christmas Spectacular

Bring the family and don't miss it!
 I*

http://www.llandudno.gov.uk/christmas-parade (http://www.llandudno.gov.uk/christmas-parade)

The Batala Bermo Samba Band are even making an appearance!  <:>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 26, 2010, 01:28:04 PM
Quote:  "MAGICAL"

I think we may be able to invoke the Trades Description Act!!!    _))*  L0L   _))*  L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on October 26, 2010, 05:37:47 PM
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Quote:  "MAGICAL"

I think we may be able to invoke the Trades Description Act!!!    _))*  L0L   _))*  L0L

"MAGICAL" - everyone disappeared.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 26, 2010, 10:15:18 PM
 8)  Trojan you are such a wind up merchant,the lights are a disgrace and the parade is excactly as last year and the year befor that and the year befor that,no ambition.  :P
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on October 26, 2010, 11:12:11 PM
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8)  Trojan you are such a wind up merchant,the lights are a disgrace and the parade is excactly as last year and the year befor that and the year befor that,no ambition.  :P

  8)  _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 28, 2010, 07:19:50 PM
   ))*  Having just read the town councils website about the xmas lights,i really don't know what planet their on,they claim too have made SIGNIFICANT improvements in the last two years,why oh why oh why can they not get in the real world.  :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 28, 2010, 07:33:18 PM
Yes, it depends how you define 'significant' ... its one of those ''management speak'' words that can mean anyhting and nothing...

CCBC might consider it significant to replace one faulty bulb!   
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 28, 2010, 08:12:55 PM
YOU GUESSED!!! L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 31, 2010, 05:21:51 PM
 ;)  Just been to London for the weekend and believe me you know xmas is round the corner,now i would be stupid to compare Llandudno to London,but there is no reason for the town council to ignore the fact. ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 02, 2010, 07:18:26 PM
 :-[   They should soon start putting up the xmas lights,the one in Mostyn st by the church,the two in Gloddaeth st the blue lights on bog island and the small trees,oh   ))* and the town hall....... _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 02, 2010, 08:37:45 PM
With all that lot they will have to buy at least one new 40 watt bulb and hope that none of the other 5 blow until after January 6th.!      D)  L0L  _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 02, 2010, 09:43:24 PM
 :P  Yorkie they are not turning them on until dec 26 and then all the strings across the road will not work together. :weeping:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 04, 2010, 04:34:13 PM
 :-X   Sorry to bore you all again,but no one else will so , Oxford St in London turns on its xmas lights tomorrow,so what i hear you say,not the attitude you are getting like our town council.Cll P Evans always said no talk of xmas until December,unfortunatly people are xmas shopping NOW,people are filling our hotels on their turkey and tinsel now,and all we have to offer is the Victoria center,as you all know the council does very little for the town at xmas considering we are a tourist and shopping magnet,nobody seems to care how poor the town looks over the festive season,not Mostyn estates,not LLandudno hospitality ,not LLandudno Regeneration gang,and especially the Town council who seem to think there is no need whatsoever to act as a responsible group and show they care for the town.Lets hope they have the strings on above the xmas fayre in Madoc street,all three of them. ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 04, 2010, 04:53:04 PM
The Town Council do f**k all for the Town let alone the lights.   
They are a useless bunchof tea swilling, publicity seeking, self engratiating, puffed up. pompous, swollen headed, high and mighty wanna be's with restricted intelligence and a seeming inability to do anything worthwhile for the Community or to justify their own position.
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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 04, 2010, 08:52:27 PM
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The Town Council are a useless bunch of tea swilling, publicity seeking, self engratiating, puffed up. pompous, swollen headed, high and mighty wanna be's with restricted intelligence and a seeming inability to do anything worthwhile for the Community or to justify their own position.

Okay.  Enough of their finer points.  What about the negative ones?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 04, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
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Okay.  Enough of their finer points.  What about the negative ones?

The Forum doesn't have sufficient space to accommodate such a tirade as myself and some others could fill it with.     As I have said before, and will no doubt say again, visit a Council Meeting or two and see what rubbish is discussed.  Also write in and get Councillors' attendance figures, they are certainly interesting (shocking!) reading.   $uk
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 04, 2010, 09:10:44 PM
One good thing about the impending spending cuts... Perhaps some of these pointless and petty council officials will be axed.
That applies to Town Councils and County too ...
They might have to see what the real world is like then, applying for minimum wage jobs, stacking shelves in Asda (if they are lucky, or even qualified!!)
  
It wouldn't help with the Xmas lights,  but perhaps things like the senseless complaint about the Fountains advertisement would never happen.
  
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 05, 2010, 09:33:58 PM
I see that Gwynedd Council are making all their car parks free from 13 - 28 December - I wonder if Conwy will follow their lead?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 07, 2010, 09:32:12 PM
 ;) As we get older we all realise how time flies,i cannot believe its twelve months since i moaned about the lack of xmas lights in the town and of course i did nothing about it and now here i am doing the same as the town council NOTHING.This time i will write to every town councillor and express my disgust at this major town looking dismal at xmas,i will also write to Mostyn estates and the hospitaliy association and find out why there is absolutly nobody in this town who seems the slightest bit concerned that every other town in North Wales seems to make an effort except US.It will be interesting to see the replies if i get any.Of course i will wait to see what is put up this year.whenever that is. :weeping:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 08, 2010, 11:09:47 AM
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I see that Gwynedd Council are making all their car parks free from 13 - 28 December - I wonder if Conwy will follow their lead?

It is fine doing what they have done, but on the reverse side of the coin it means that people will stay longer, you will not get the turn over of parking spaces as normal, and many people will have trouble getting a parking space.

Whilst Pay and Display is not very popular it does create a better and fairer use of the parking spaces available.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 08, 2010, 12:56:49 PM
I might be a lone voice here, but I don't really want to see xmas lights until December, usually by the end of November I'm sick of hearing about xmas, I love it all in December but these days it goes on so long the magics gone!

Bar Humbug L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 08, 2010, 03:58:33 PM
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I might be a lone voice here, but I don't really want to see xmas lights until December, usually by the end of November I'm sick of hearing about xmas, I love it all in December but these days it goes on so long the magics gone!

I've just finished putting up our 60th lighting set in the house.  Next week, I'll start on the outside sets.

Personally, I like xmas lighting from the moment the clocks go back. It's something which lifts the mood in the long, dark winter days.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 08, 2010, 04:03:01 PM
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I might be a lone voice here, but I don't really want to see xmas lights until December, usually by the end of November I'm sick of hearing about xmas, I love it all in December but these days it goes on so long the magics gone!

Bar Humbug L0L
No your not alone, Now don't get me wrong I love all the decs and holly but not in the first week of november. Its not xmas for weeks yet.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 08, 2010, 04:06:10 PM
Blackpool have had their Illuminations up since beginning of September.  It is a Tourist Attraction and could be the same for us.  They would pay for themselves in no time.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 08, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
I'm all in favour of 'tourist ' lights up, for instance an Alice in Wonderland theme, I just think Christmas should be in December and then I put all my lights, trees etc up around the 1st of December and then on Twelth night I hate taking them down!  L0L



Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 08, 2010, 05:31:21 PM
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I might be a lone voice here, but I don't really want to see xmas lights until December, usually by the end of November I'm sick of hearing about xmas, I love it all in December but these days it goes on so long the magics gone!

I've just finished putting up our 60th lighting set in the house.  Next week, I'll start on the outside sets.

Personally, I like xmas lighting from the moment the clocks go back. It's something which lifts the mood in the long, dark winter days.
An exclusive preview of Ian's house:

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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 08, 2010, 05:41:14 PM
 8)  Yes xmas belongs in December but not when it comes to xmas shopping and trying to compete with all other towns and cities in the North West,LLandudno has to be the last shopping town to put on its lights and their the worst,we all know xmas is a religious festival but with so many visitors to this town wether turkey and tinsel or xmas shopping this town council is letting all the buisnesses who have faith in the town down and should improve the xmas lights for all. :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 08, 2010, 06:37:06 PM
I think it's important to separate the Christian festival from the season;  notionally, and for convenience when the early Roman missionaries hijacked the Pagan winter festivals, Christmas is on the 25th December,  but the reality is that displaying lights and decorations throughout the darker months precedes the Christian concepts by many centuries and even today varies widely throughout the Western World in duration.  Why not light up our houses, streets and towns throughout the winter months?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 08, 2010, 06:40:49 PM
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I've just finished putting up our 60th lighting set in the house.  Next week, I'll start on the outside sets.

Personally, I like xmas lighting from the moment the clocks go back. It's something which lifts the mood in the long, dark winter days.
An exclusive preview of Ian's house:

 _))*

So thats  why we have the wind farm!  L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 08, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
..and that's only the dog's kennel...
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on November 08, 2010, 06:47:04 PM
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I might be a lone voice here, but I don't really want to see xmas lights until December, usually by the end of November I'm sick of hearing about xmas, I love it all in December but these days it goes on so long the magics gone!

Bar Humbug L0L
No your not alone, Now don't get me wrong I love all the decs and holly but not in the first week of november. Its not xmas for weeks yet.

You could always pop in here for a pint Merddyn.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on November 08, 2010, 06:48:58 PM
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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on November 08, 2010, 06:55:38 PM
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I might be a lone voice here, but I don't really want to see xmas lights until December, usually by the end of November I'm sick of hearing about xmas, I love it all in December but these days it goes on so long the magics gone!

I've just finished putting up our 60th lighting set in the house.  Next week, I'll start on the outside sets.

Personally, I like xmas lighting from the moment the clocks go back. It's something which lifts the mood in the long, dark winter days.

Have you tried a SAD lamp Ian?  8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 08, 2010, 07:04:15 PM
The new thing for SAD seems to be a move towards the Blue Lamp.       ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on November 08, 2010, 07:22:02 PM
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The new thing for SAD seems to be a move towards the Blue Lamp.       ¢¢##

I had to move to Southern California.  :-[
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 09, 2010, 02:53:10 PM
I've decided to go for the more enviromentally friendly look this year  D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 09, 2010, 05:05:55 PM
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Have you tried a SAD lamp Ian?

Y'know, it's not that rare a condition, being mildly depressed by long, dark nights and short, gloomy days. We don't need to concede to the pseudo-psychotherapists employed by the DFM to realise that it's not such a bad thing to have something to lighten the winter months.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 09, 2010, 05:14:40 PM
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Have you tried a SAD lamp Ian?

Y'know, it's not that rare a condition, being mildly depressed by long, dark nights and short, gloomy days. We don't need to concede to the pseudo-psychotherapists employed by the DFM to realise that it's not such a bad thing to have something to lighten the winter months.
There's that house in Junction covered in xmas lights. hats off to the owner, his house looks fantastic. My lads always loved to go up there over the xmas period. It must really take some effort not to mention finance. I bet he's a really nice guy.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on November 09, 2010, 05:25:25 PM
The owners of the house on the right made me laugh, by keeping up with the Jones' in their own festive way.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 09, 2010, 05:36:42 PM
Trojan that's wicked  _))* _))* L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 09, 2010, 05:47:07 PM
I've just finished putting up our 60th lighting set in the house.  Next week, I'll start on the outside sets.

Safety first Ian  ;D

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 10, 2010, 07:23:15 AM
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Safety first Ian

 :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 12, 2010, 05:55:57 PM
 :)   When you see Blackpools lights damaged by the wind and they claim to have had one million pounds worth of damage it puts the town councils one thousand pound  budget for supplying LLandudno with a wonderful xmas display into perspective.It has been said that the town council have no idea where their Alice in Wonderland  lights went too,well according to the news they were blown down again in Blackpool last night. On a serious note please take a look at how busy town is tomorrow and think WHY OH WHY does our town council put so little into the town over the xmas period.Any of you going to Chesire Oaks,Chester,Liverpool,Wrexham,Manchester  or Trafford center have a look around and see what the opposition have,lights ,trees you will notice they are all up and because people are xmas shopping.It may be a bit silly to compare with big cities but why do we have to be  IN THE DARK AGES. :-[
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 12, 2010, 07:58:45 PM
What could have been.....

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3485/3934728583_b629d8ff3e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geminiali/3934728583/)
Alice in Wonderland (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geminiali/3934728583/#) by Gemini Ali (http://www.flickr.com/people/geminiali/), on Flickr

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Mad Hatters Tea Party 01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geminiali/3935509330/#) by Gemini Ali (http://www.flickr.com/people/geminiali/), on Flickr

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Alice in Wonderland (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geminiali/3934723053/#) by Gemini Ali (http://www.flickr.com/people/geminiali/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 14, 2010, 05:35:54 PM
  8)   I was in Chester today,lights are all up ,large xmas tree outside their town hall and a large wheel and icerink,now that is what you do when you are in competition with all other towns. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on November 15, 2010, 06:22:08 AM
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  8)   I was in Chester today,lights are all up ,large xmas tree outside their town hall and a large wheel and icerink,now that is what you do when you are in competition with all other towns. :rage:

I'm surprised you didn't go to Wrexham.  :-X
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 15, 2010, 11:29:04 AM
saw these lights on BBC news this morning, :o  8) amazing, lets have some of these!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11755177 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11755177)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 16, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
 ??? I see the Celtic fair people putting xmas lights in the trees on Madoc St,i do hope the 3 strings across the st will be put on by our town council,lets wait and see. :weeping:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 17, 2010, 09:52:45 PM
 ZXZ  I hope the xmas celtic fayre leave the lights in the trees in Madoc st,they are blue and they look great,i new it did,nt take much and i hope the town council take note. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Llechwedd on November 19, 2010, 02:21:50 PM
I'm in London and if it's any consolation the lights in Oxford Street -parcels and parasols in gold and silver - are the same as last year and Selfridges has the same greenery and fairy lights round its windows as last year.
Just seen the best tree ever though.  It is on the piazza at Covent Garden and a mass of tiny red and silvery white lights with the occasional larger silvery light flashing, most effective in the dark.  I didn't see Regent Street last year but they have huge horizontal stars that you have to stand under and look up to get the effect.  Made of sort of mesh and appearing to float.  The effect is somewhat spoiled by every now and then an advert for Narnia but it must have cost a lot.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 19, 2010, 02:41:36 PM
Maybe sponsorship is the answer to our Xmas Lights problem!    We wouldn't want a Piccadilly Circus effect but subtle advertising would hardly be noticable - in fact would possibly act as almost subliminal!    *&(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 19, 2010, 06:01:37 PM
Sponsorship all lite up would be better than the crap we are given by the town council ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 19, 2010, 06:11:18 PM
 *&( If we could just get representatives from the council,Parc Llandudno,Mostyn Champneys,Llandudno Hospitality,CCBC and Mostyn Estates around a table and talk about the Queen of Welsh resorts abissmal xmas display,WHY it is so poor and why nobody gives a damn we may ,just may get a result.  ££$   ))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 19, 2010, 06:15:48 PM
All those outfits must already be aware of the abismal effort of themselves, what we need is a bright spark (pardon the pun) to put the idea to a decent advertising agency and let them do the rest.       ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 19, 2010, 06:28:45 PM
Could the forum be any help with advertising etc, a special page dediated to advertising local businesses, after all it's llandudno locals and business owners who use the forum. How handy and reassuring it would be to get locals to pass comments on those local builders, plumbers etc. Excellent advertising. Only a thought. Maybe the businesses involved could pay the admin and then they could pass on proceeds to the "Light up Town" campaign. Is that even legal ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 19, 2010, 06:40:07 PM
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Could the forum be any help with advertising etc, a special page dediated to advertising local businesses, after all it's llandudno locals and business owners who use the forum. How handy and reassuring it would be to get locals to pass comments on those local builders, plumbers etc. Excellent advertising. Only a thought. Maybe the businesses involved could pay the admin and then they could pass on proceeds to the "Light up Town" campaign. Is that even legal ?

we have got this thread, although its not trader's adverts, but member's recommendations

http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=38.0 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=38.0)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 20, 2010, 08:20:34 PM
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Could the forum be any help with advertising etc, a special page dediated to advertising local businesses, after all it's llandudno locals and business owners who use the forum. How handy and reassuring it would be to get locals to pass comments on those local builders, plumbers etc. Excellent advertising. Only a thought. Maybe the businesses involved could pay the admin and then they could pass on proceeds to the "Light up Town" campaign. Is that even legal ?
The problem would be the Town Council - they wouldn't be interested.  :rage:

Ian and I were actually thinking about letting local businesses advertise directly on the Forum, with all proceeds after running costs being donated to local charities.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 20, 2010, 08:54:38 PM
 :( We need to call a meeting ourselves and put these councillors on the spot,as i have said befor take a look at every other town and they put us to shame. ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 20, 2010, 09:13:24 PM
Why not form a self help group such as this one in South Africa - actually a little town called Llandudno!     *&(

http://www.llandudno.org.za/ (http://www.llandudno.org.za/)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 21, 2010, 01:21:29 PM
I do apologise for my ignorance but who elects your town council, while were on the subject how many different councils are there, I mean you have the town council, civic council etc. If they don't achieve their objectives whatever they may be? Why are they there?  I appreciate what Yorkie said about Town Councillors not being paid but they must surley cost Llandudno something if only in Xmas parties and the like. I'm probably wrong though.  )*)&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 21, 2010, 02:52:33 PM
The people elect the Town Council, the Civic Council are all volunteers.

The Town Councill receives a certain amount of money (precept) from the Couty Council to take care of rather mundane things such as Alice, Llandudno in Bloom,  Xmas Lights, Xmas Parade, Grants and such matters.   Their web site at www.llandudno.gov.uk (http://www.llandudno.gov.uk) will tell you more.

The precept is, I believe around £300,000 to £400,000.   Monthly Accounts can be found in the Public Libraries together with the Minutes of all FULL Council Meetings.      
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Bellringer on November 21, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
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The precept is, I believe around £300,000 to £400,000.   Monthly Accounts can be found in the Public Libraries together with the Minutes of all FULL Council Meetings.      

That's quite a substantial sum Yorkie. To save me going delving in the Library (I know I'm being lazy), do you know what the major items of expenditure are? ie you mention certain things like Alice and Llandudno in Bloom,  but how much goes on each? You mention "grants" but who or what get these grants?
I remember when we refurbished the bells at Holy Trinity in 2002 a sum of £1,000 was made to the Restoration Appeal from I think the Communities Grants Fund, and again in 2004/5 a sum of £2,000 for the Stained Glass Window Appeal, sums,  I might add we were very grateful for.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 21, 2010, 05:40:41 PM
All of that information should be available from the Town Council website...but it isn't. All Taxpayers should ask themselves why that should be?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 21, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
Available from Town Clerk with a FoI request.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 22, 2010, 08:28:48 PM
 ¢¢##  I think im starting too become obsessed with this subject,i will be lost in January unless we start our light up LLandudno at xmas campaign. Had a nice walk along the promenade Saturday then up Church Walks and i really wonder wether there is one councillor realizes how many people come to stay,even this time of year.Now we all know they don,t come to see the town council xmas lights,as they are not even up yet let alone switched on,and i know certain clls will say as they are already here there is no need to put any entertainment or xmas lights on for their benifit or the locals,but come on LLANDUDNO TOWN COUNCIL show all the tourists,locals,hoteliers,buisnesses who  who show faith in the town that next year you will join the LIGHT UP LLANDUDNO AT CHRISTMAS CAMPAIGN 2011 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 22, 2010, 08:44:47 PM
I don't think you are starting to become obsesses Wrex,.... it became a full-blown obsession for you some time ago!  L0L L0L

BUT...(and its a BIG BUT) ... it is a worthy and noble crusade that you are leading.
The official lights are rubbish, and if it wasn't for The Victoria Centre, and other private businesses, Mostyn St would look abysmal.

 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 22, 2010, 08:47:37 PM
Bad news, Wrex, the blue lights along the Madoc Street trees have already been removed!  :(

I remember when the two trees in front of the Library used to have strings of coloured lights on them - whatever happened to that?  ???
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Blongb on November 22, 2010, 09:52:41 PM
I was talking with my favourite Conservative ward Councillor in Upper Mostyn Street last week about the Christmas lights and he agreed they do need to be improved but then he showed me the damage that had been done to lights around the tree we were standing next to. Some mindless yob had climbed up and cut the wires. Trouble is you can’t just shinny up there and join the wires together, not these days. It has to be done by a qualified electrician, in accordance with the Health and Safety at Work Act and guess what, that costs money which the Council hasn’t got. Bottom line if you want Christmas lights, walk up and down Mostyn Street carrying a very big stick (especially at night when the local hostelries are chucking out)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 22, 2010, 10:04:20 PM
I wonder if that was the tree (by the Gimberts shop?) that the Town Council spent £2000 installing an electric supply to last year? That's not for any lights, you understand, just for an electric supply. They get ripped off, left, right and centre....
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 22, 2010, 11:48:01 PM
I can't really accept that from the Councillor BlongB,   you see there are infinitely more mindless yobs in Blackpool than there are in Llandudno, but the difference is that the council CHOOSE to invest in the illuminations there.
I'm not comparing Xmas lights with Autumn illuminations ... but just because some damage is done its not a reason to give up is it?

It sends the wrong message ... there are always reasons NOT to do something.

When the 7/7 bomb went off on the London Underground, London Transport didn't close down ... it bounced back!

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 23, 2010, 07:10:35 AM
We spent the weekend strolling up and down Regent and Oxford Streets and gazing at their lights.  Actually, not as wonderful as I'd expected, and the best were those provided by the shops themselves.

Being a lights lover, and having roamed the globe in search of the best lit places, I think I've settled on the Disney parks as having cornered the market. Disneyland Paris, in particular, has spent vast amounts of money preserving the sort of twinkling ambience that would have Wrex in several kinds of ecstasy.  But despite their having almost bottomless pockets, the problems with vandalism blight their efforts, also.

In the early days of the Paris park, there was (and still is) a walk-through attraction called the Alice's curious labryinth  (http://parks.disneylandparis.co.uk/disneyland-park/lands/fantasyland/attractions/alices-curious-labyrinth.xhtml), which features eight-foot-high hedges, framing a delightful maze with subtle lighting for the evenings.  The most stunning feature was the inclusion of myriad twinkling lights in the bushes themselves, which imbued the maze with a delightful and mysterious aura when you walked it in the dark.  Within twelve months, so severe had the damage been from the Parisian natives' interference, that the Park management not only gave up attempting to replace the lights in the bushes but actually closed the attraction in the evenings, thus losing one of the most stunningly envisaged designs in the Park.  

There are those it seems, whose main delight in life is to destroy that which others find beautiful.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 23, 2010, 04:34:38 PM
 ::)  Just look at the pathetic tree they put up on bog island,this is the main tree for town in an area that has NO lights and still they cannot put a bigger tree there and make a BIG feature as it is the start of Mostyn st.  ¢¢##  Blongb i would not listen to the feable claptrap that comes out of the chairman of the Llandudno illumination committees mouth because he has been in charge of the xmas lights for years and they never meet. ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 23, 2010, 04:44:00 PM
The Town Council put more effort into entertaining the folks from Wormhout and themselves with Town Twinning than they ever have done on Decorative Lighting.      >>>

In the Council's web site there is scant reference, if any, to Christmas Lighting.     )*)&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 23, 2010, 09:13:34 PM
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We spent the weekend strolling up and down Regent and Oxford Streets and gazing at their lights.  Actually, not as wonderful as I'd expected, and the best were those provided by the shops themselves.

Being a lights lover, and having roamed the globe in search of the best lit places, I think I've settled on the Disney parks as having cornered the market. Disneyland Paris, in particular, has spent vast amounts of money preserving the sort of twinkling ambience that would have Wrex in several kinds of ecstasy.  But despite their having almost bottomless pockets, the problems with vandalism blight their efforts, also.

In the early days of the Paris park, there was (and still is) a walk-through attraction called the Alice's curious labryinth  (http://parks.disneylandparis.co.uk/disneyland-park/lands/fantasyland/attractions/alices-curious-labyrinth.xhtml), which features eight-foot-high hedges, framing a delightful maze with subtle lighting for the evenings.  The most stunning feature was the inclusion of myriad twinkling lights in the bushes themselves, which imbued the maze with a delightful and mysterious aura when you walked it in the dark.  Within twelve months, so severe had the damage been from the Parisian natives' interference, that the Park management not only gave up attempting to replace the lights in the bushes but actually closed the attraction in the evenings, thus losing one of the most stunningly envisaged designs in the Park.  

There are those it seems, whose main delight in life is to destroy that which others find beautiful.
So, the attraction was being vandalised by locals breaking into the park when it was closed?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 23, 2010, 09:42:25 PM
    8)  Me needs to break into the town hall,pinch all their bulbs and light up Mostyn st.  WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 23, 2010, 10:03:28 PM
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    8)  Me needs to break into the town hall,pinch all their bulbs and light up Mostyn st.  WWW
ah ha.................... now that's what i'm talking about . I'm with you Mrs

 $hands$   :twoface:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Pendragon on November 23, 2010, 10:13:34 PM
Erm................. I've had a think Wrex and whilst I admire your gallantry, I have decided for purely selfish reasons and of course  to cover my own ass, to retract my prior post. However I will keep digs (be the look out) and push the wheelbarrow but please don't tell anyone.   :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 24, 2010, 08:53:27 AM
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So, the attraction was being vandalised by locals breaking into the park when it was closed?

No;  the local visitors were animal-like in their regard to carefully-crafted paths and cultivated bushes.  They simply shoved through them in the maze if they couldn't find the right way to get out.  There was a colossal amount of damage and theft in the first few months before the management of the park realised that what they were dealing with was quite different from your average tripper in Florida and changed the security arrangements.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 24, 2010, 11:30:14 AM
 :o   The town council have put up the xmas decoration on Mostyn st,i think they put two on Gloddaeth st and of course go mad outside the town hall oh and the LITTLE tree and blue lights,that is the whole extent of their efforts and god knows when they might lite them. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 24, 2010, 01:38:24 PM
Switch on is after the Xmas Parade on Saturday, 4 December.  So as the parade starts at 4.00 p.m. it will be at about 4.05 p.m.   The celebrity chosen at great expense is Councillor Ann Yates otherwise known as Mrs Mayor!  Should be an exciting afternoon for about 15 minutes anyway!     L0L   ZXZ   Z**   _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 24, 2010, 03:44:21 PM
With my touristy background, before I came to settle here....I still can't help LIKING the Xmas parade.... you don't get one of them in the vast majority of the towns, its nice for the pensioners, and its great for the kids to participate...   I've stood outside Waterstones clutching my Hot Chocolate and looking on for the last 5 or 6,  and the novelty hasn't worn off yet.    Do you think it will?

I still like the Extravaganza too though don't I ...!

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Barbiroli on November 24, 2010, 04:47:34 PM
I`m with you Fester I still enjoy the christmas parade and i`m one of your pensioners who take the grandchildren there. My favourite is the samba band it really lifts the spirit.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 24, 2010, 05:07:33 PM
I ain't got no Grandchildren - and I do think that for what the Council are paying out The Lions, Rotary, Round Table or even the Masons could put on a better show.   The parade travels all of 0.4 of a mile which could quite easily be extended to cover the Promenade and give more people a chance to witness this Annual Event.

I am all for it being removed from Council intervention and given back to those who originally did the orhanising.    >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 25, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
 ???  Getting a little concerned,NOT SUPRISED about the massive Llandudno town council xmas light switch on,with only eight days to go they have only put four xmas trees and one light up.As if being outdone by Penmaenmawr isn't bad enought our shower can't even manage a meeting too improve this town. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: TheMedz on November 25, 2010, 05:38:58 PM
I just had a look at the Town Council web site for more information on the Christmas Parade. This has probably been mentioned before but doesn't one of the "rotating pictures"  at the head of every page show a house (Penmorfa) that isn't actually there any more.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 25, 2010, 05:42:04 PM
Some pictures are "hystorical"  -  others are hysterical!   Should get some of DaveR's pictures on the headings.

 ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2010, 06:26:08 PM
...for a small fee.  ;D No, they could use any of my photos with pleasure if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on November 25, 2010, 07:25:31 PM
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We spent the weekend strolling up and down Regent and Oxford Streets and gazing at their lights.  Actually, not as wonderful as I'd expected, and the best were those provided by the shops themselves.

Being a lights lover, and having roamed the globe in search of the best lit places, I think I've settled on the Disney parks as having cornered the market. Disneyland Paris, in particular, has spent vast amounts of money preserving the sort of twinkling ambience that would have Wrex in several kinds of ecstasy.  But despite their having almost bottomless pockets, the problems with vandalism blight their efforts, also.

In the early days of the Paris park, there was (and still is) a walk-through attraction called the Alice's curious labryinth  (http://parks.disneylandparis.co.uk/disneyland-park/lands/fantasyland/attractions/alices-curious-labyrinth.xhtml), which features eight-foot-high hedges, framing a delightful maze with subtle lighting for the evenings.  The most stunning feature was the inclusion of myriad twinkling lights in the bushes themselves, which imbued the maze with a delightful and mysterious aura when you walked it in the dark.  Within twelve months, so severe had the damage been from the Parisian natives' interference, that the Park management not only gave up attempting to replace the lights in the bushes but actually closed the attraction in the evenings, thus losing one of the most stunningly envisaged designs in the Park.  

There are those it seems, whose main delight in life is to destroy that which others find beautiful.
So, the attraction was being vandalised by locals breaking into the park when it was closed?

What do you expect at such a Mickey Mouse attraction.

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Llechwedd on November 26, 2010, 01:49:40 PM
I do hope that Mrs Mayor doesn't wear that ridiculous and embarrassing outfit.... and salute!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 26, 2010, 02:02:34 PM
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I do hope that Mrs Mayor doesn't wear that ridiculous and embarrassing outfit.... and salute!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 26, 2010, 07:27:19 PM
 :'(I DON'T LIKE TO ADMIT IT ,BUT HEY,THE LIGHTS ON THE XMAS TREES ARE MUCH BETTER,NOT SURE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE LIGHTS ON THE TOWN HALL. ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 26, 2010, 07:59:15 PM
The Trees were well lit, and all of the lighting appeared to be working, apart from the Town Hall which was in darkness:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 26, 2010, 08:55:59 PM
 WWW Do you realise if you where a visitor coming into Llandudnopast the Links hotel you would have no idea xmas was approaching until you rounded the Tudno Castle,so what this tells us is Mostyn Champneys,Asda,and Parc LLandudnoare all at fault for making NO effort what soever to illuminate their premises and so this is why they all need to get round atable and make LLandudno a magical place to visit at xmas . L0L   
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 27, 2010, 04:36:21 PM
 ))* Colwyn Bay have brand new xmas lights ,can we swoop our councils. :P
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 27, 2010, 08:03:03 PM
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))* Colwyn Bay have brand new xmas lights ,can we swoop our councils. :P
Yes, they are pretty good, we should have this sort of thing on Mostyn Street:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 28, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
 :( Not sure but it looks like the council are not putting lights on the town hall this year,not too bothered because it seemed a bit stupid to me to waste those lights on the town hall when Mostyn St is left with no xmas symbol lights. ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 05:03:17 PM
Wrex, I also noticed that there are no lights on the palm trees at Carlton roundabout and no blue icicle lights on the toilets at Bog Island. Things seem to be going backwards from last year.  :(

I just read this comment about the Christmas lights on Oscar's blog:

"why dont Llandudno do what Penmaenmawr do? Approach Mostyn Estates to see if they will let a voluntary group take on one of the numerous empty shops at drastically reduced rates and open a "Light up Llandudno" cafe with all proceeds going directly to buying lights for the town each year.I am sure that there would be many willing volunteers to run the cafe.Penmaenmawr's opened for an initial period of a couple of months to raise money and is still open years later.What this town lacks is a real Commuity spirit.We dont need the council."
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 05:22:05 PM
Forgot to mention, when I was heading up the Orme on Sunday morning, I passed by the twin set of floodlights (that illuminate that part of the Orme) at the side of Happy Valley. They are still out of action after having been damaged by vandals over a year ago now (wouldn't a grille over the glass have been a good idea in such an isolated position?). I'm sure I remember someone saying that they had reported it to the Town Council back then, but it's still not been fixed....
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Micox on November 29, 2010, 05:31:29 PM
Anyone considered where on the priorities list christmas lights come when local authorities are brutally cutting services for sick and disabled people?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 05:38:20 PM
Someone raised this point over on Oscars blog, I noticed.

Christmas lights are the responsibility of the Town Council, not the County Council (who are responsible for social services) and, so, it's not a case of spending on one rather than the other.

One other point worth mentioning is that a lot of jobs depend on making Llandudno an attractive place for people to visit and spend money. All the workers employed by businesses in the town use their wages to pay council tax and businesses pay business rates, all of which then are used to pay for things such as social services.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Micox on November 29, 2010, 05:51:02 PM
My perspective is that of morality Dave. Anyway, district (town) councils are responsible for community wellbeing, inclusion and equality (viz, the Equality Act  2010) as well as other factors which holistically contribute to enablement and recovery. You could say christmas lights are part of that but in the context of severe financial restrictions they are proportionately unimportant (IMHO). >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 29, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
 ))* Unfortunatley the xmas lights have never been a priority too Llandudno town council Micox ,so that is why we are going to try and make it top of their list and leave politics too the cons and labour. :weeping:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 29, 2010, 08:45:53 PM
Dave, with regard to the lights in Happy Valley which illuminate the Orme..... I can see that ''something'' is illuminating the Orme on that side, and to a lesser degree on Ty Gwyn road...   Even tonight I can see the lights are on (or something is???)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 08:57:38 PM
Those are the lights on the roof of the Tollhouse, there's another set up towards the top of Happy Valley, which are the damaged ones.

Are the Little Orme ones on?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 29, 2010, 08:58:00 PM
The control box for the lights was next to the Toll Gate at the North Shore end of Marine Drive.  You could turn them on and off if you could get in the box!!!    ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 29, 2010, 09:19:58 PM
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Those are the lights on the roof of the Tollhouse, there's another set up towards the top of Happy Valley, which are the damaged ones.

Are the Little Orme ones on?

They are.... looks lovely as ever.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on November 29, 2010, 10:44:45 PM
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))* Colwyn Bay have brand new xmas lights ,can we swoop our councils. :P
Yes, they are pretty good, we should have this sort of thing on Mostyn Street:

The Mayor of Colwyn Bay is a Muslim too!  L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 30, 2010, 09:25:05 PM
 :P  Very glad to see Oscar  showing some interest in the xmas lights.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 02, 2010, 05:26:12 PM
The Town Hall lights have sprung into life after Oscar mentioned them on his blog:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 02, 2010, 07:48:07 PM
 ;) What has happened to the illuminations stuck on the town hall,some cll must have suggested making cuts. ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 02, 2010, 08:45:49 PM
I've noticed that a lot of the lights that were up last year are not up this year. Ones on the lamp posts by Palladium Taxi Rank, Town Hall lights, Bog Island toilets lights, Carlton roundabout palm tree lights....all missing.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 02, 2010, 08:48:43 PM
Can't leave anything lying about these days before it gets nicked!    _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 02, 2010, 08:54:15 PM
I believe they were all rented at extortionate rates, rather than purchased. I'm sure I published the rental costs of the individual lights on the old forum somewhere.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 02, 2010, 09:52:23 PM
oh well.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 03, 2010, 05:31:23 PM
Good news, Wrex! The Town Hall now has some decorations on it and the blue icicles have returned to Bog Island toilets! Perhaps our constant raising of the Christmas lights issue is having some effect....
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 03, 2010, 07:54:51 PM
 :weeping: Yes Dave i find myself apologising again to the council i jumped the gun,. Now as for 2011 some ideas that should not be too dear
1 two extra trees ,one in Holy Trinity and one in Ebenezer,upper Mostyn st
2 there are 5 lamp posts in Madoc st,lets have some sort of lights on them.
3 make more of a display on bog island
4 make sure Parc Llandudno,Mostyn Champneys and Asda try to get involved  [no cost]
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 03, 2010, 07:59:58 PM
Some good ideas, Wrex. I would like to add:

5) Strings of coloured lights on the two trees outside the Library.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Blongb on December 08, 2010, 12:52:25 AM
Do you think the lights should be a celebration to  Mithra? whom legend says, was incarnated into human form (as prophesized by Zarathustra) in 272 bc. Was born of a virgin, who was called the Mother of God. Mithra's birthday was celebrated December 25 and he was called “the light of the world.”  After teaching for 36 years, he ascended into heaven in 208 bc.

Ref. http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/romanempire.html (http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/romanempire.html)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 08, 2010, 08:07:36 AM
Walked through town last night, 2 out of the 3 strings of lights in Madoc Street were not working, and one in Upper Mostyn Street was off as well.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 08, 2010, 05:58:30 PM
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Walked through town last night, 2 out of the 3 strings of lights in Madoc Street were not working, and one in Upper Mostyn Street was off as well.
Good to see that the malfunctioning lights have been fixed today and the lights on the palm trees on the Carlton roundabout have finally been installed - better late than never!  :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 08, 2010, 08:57:59 PM
   ;D Went to Parc Llandudno tonight with my daughter and was in a xmas mood but walking between the shops i felt very sad that the owners of Parc Llandudno have not one light around the Parc ,absolutley nothing. ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 08, 2010, 09:16:30 PM
Speaking of Parc Llandudno, I was there the other day and was very impressed with how clean it all was (no chewing gum on the paths either). I began to wonder about the possibility of getting them to manage Llandudno's main streets, being as CCBC seem unable to do it properly.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 11, 2010, 06:53:01 PM
Any lights on in LLanndudno tonight. ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 11, 2010, 06:54:40 PM
Can't see any from my house!     :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 13, 2010, 06:16:59 PM
 8) Any one got any suggestions on how to persuade Parc Llandudno tomake an effort at xmas.They do run the Parc well as it has been mentioned and of course putting any lights up will cost them which is the obvious reason for their reluctance to do one single xmas light.Cheishire Oaks and Broughton have excellent displaysso there is no reason for the company who own Parc Llandudno to just not BOTHER. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 13, 2010, 06:28:56 PM
Try a "little something" in a plain brown envelope! ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 13, 2010, 06:51:37 PM
yorkie do you mean give them back the 200,000 they gave to CCBC for the TK MAKK shop and car park restrictions lifted. 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Llechwedd on December 14, 2010, 12:19:45 PM
Went to bangor on saturday.  There are three tiny but lit up rides by the town clock, music blasting out and a group of girls dancing for a large crowd.  Then I came back to Llandudno to be confronted by, well nothing much really except bag laden people trudging up and down, what a wasted opportunity.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 14, 2010, 03:10:35 PM
Llandudno is the only town that is dark in daylight!    ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 19, 2010, 04:56:15 PM
 :)Having just spent the weekend in Manchester to see a concert i feel i must once again winge about this councils pathetic display,i know we cannot compare the two for size but Manchester was magical, so much effort put in too the lights the winter wonderland,brilliant.We could easily have bog island transformed into a little winter wonderland without very little imagination but not ONE councillor has the time,imagination,will,to do anything for this town. ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on December 20, 2010, 08:26:14 PM
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:)Having just spent the weekend in Manchester to see a concert i feel i must once again winge about this councils pathetic display,i know we cannot compare the two for size but Manchester was magical, so much effort put in too the lights the winter wonderland,brilliant.We could easily have bog island transformed into a little winter wonderland without very little imagination but not ONE councillor has the time,imagination,will,to do anything for this town. ¢¢##

Wow, that was a long concert - a whole weekend!

Some of the Llandudno Councillors need their lights punching out I'm afraid.  VV
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 26, 2010, 03:37:47 PM
 :( Do most of you think it is worth trying too improve the chrirtmas illuminations or should i just let it lie until one councillor decides i have a point . There is obviously no pressure from anybody in the town,the towns buisnesses do not complain,the LLandudno regeneration partnership do not complain,hoteliers do not complain ,Mostyn estates must be happy so should i waste my time for the benefit of others. :'(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 26, 2010, 05:24:46 PM
I'm not the biggest fan of Christmas and  I would prefer the pavements to be gritted or cleared of ice as it was lethal today so if they can't afford to sort out the pavements where does the money for xmas lights come from? 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on December 27, 2010, 08:25:46 AM
Wrex:  I personally feel your efforts are commendable, but you're fighting what must be the greatest uphill battle of all time. And I can't really see anything changing for the better in the coming twelve months, since there's going to be significantly less money round for the council to spend.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 27, 2010, 09:58:17 AM
 ;) Merridin the town council sort out the lights and CCBC sort out the grit but i see your point,as for Ian point ,yes its their excuse before anybody even starts,we could cancel Major making and civic sunday and spend that money on lights so everybody benifits. :P
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 27, 2010, 10:09:15 AM
I'd get rid of all these different layers of local government, all of which seem to overlap on some things  :rage: we seem to have Welsh Assembly, County Council, Town council, Parish Council ?  all seems bonkers to me, I never know who does what  :rage:  So lets have just one layer, save loads of cash and spend it on Christmas lights (the only bit of Christmas that I like!) and grit the pavements and clear the roads D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Blongb on January 01, 2011, 11:34:59 AM
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I'd get rid of all these different layers of local government, all of which seem to overlap 


 $wales  So what we'll do Merddin is keep the Town Council and the European Parliament and scrap every thing in the middle  $eu

 ))* I forgot to say we had better hold new elections for places on the Town Council first  ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 01, 2011, 12:14:10 PM
No, I would most definitely get rid of the European Parliament its just one big money pit  :o 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on January 01, 2011, 01:12:24 PM
Lights outside Albufeira Town Hall (lit) and in the Town Square (unlit).
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on January 22, 2011, 07:37:03 PM
This one's for you, Wrex!

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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on January 24, 2011, 08:26:35 PM
 :( Nice one Dave,see it can be done. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 24, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
on the subject of Llandudno and xmas, there is still a Santa Claus halfway up one of the poles of the 'Llandudno Welcomes You' at the top of Penrhyn Hill. I don't know who owns him but it seems a shame to leave him out in all weathers
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on January 24, 2011, 09:51:34 PM
Yes we saw him and wondered why the poor soul was still clinging on for dear life !
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on January 25, 2011, 07:31:07 AM
Missed the return sleigh?


 WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on January 25, 2011, 08:58:56 AM
Probably practising pole dancing and got frozen to the pole ! _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on January 25, 2011, 07:37:34 PM
 :o  I have just left a e-mail with the town clark expressing my disgust at this years illuminations and asking the councillors  to see if they could encourage Parc Llandudno,Asda and Mostyn Champneys to get involved this year,we wait. *&( 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on January 25, 2011, 08:34:48 PM
If you start e-mailing and criticising the Council, Philip Evans, Terry Davies, their cronies, and others will get you banned from e-mailing them.  You may even receive a written communication from them to this effect!

They just do not like criticism and will do everything to avoid it.   Even public criticism or complaints from people in the Community are conveniently swept under the carpet.

The odd Councillor who wants to get things done is browbeaten and gets little or no support.  The "old guard" rules the roost and will continue to do so until they are knocked off their perches.

Guess who is the Town and County Councillor for one of the most deprived Wards in Wales?   He is also the longest serving Town Councillor, so it just shows that all those years have produced absolutely nothing.

 $uk
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on January 27, 2011, 09:33:53 PM
 :(  No reply today. ::)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on January 28, 2011, 01:38:48 AM
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Guess who is the Town and County Councillor for one of the most deprived Wards in Wales?   He is also the longest serving Town Councillor, so it just shows that all those years have produced absolutely nothing.

I'm not really sure where the statistics came from to label the Tudno, or South Ward as it was once known one of the most deprived wards in Wales





Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on January 28, 2011, 08:40:08 AM
Government Statistics - and we all know that they don't lie!      $wales
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on January 28, 2011, 09:38:54 AM
In Conwy County, the most deprived Wards are:

Ranking in Wales  ----- Location
No.46 - Glyn 2, Colwyn Bay
No. 107 - Tudno 2, Llandudno
No. 124 - Pensarn, Abergele
No. 141 - Rhiw 3, Colwyn Bay

Source: WAG

There are three Rhyl Wards in the Top 5, and if you take a walk around central Rhyl, you can well believe it.  :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on January 29, 2011, 03:38:08 AM
Five years ago, Tudno didn't reach the 'top 15', however, a Lower Layer Super Output Area (LLSOA) may have been spotted around Billy Simpsons' scrapyard (Arch Motors).

The removal of the the gasworks and the demolition of the brickworks chimney all under 'King Phillips' reign have made the area an exclusive and much sought after place to live.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_objectid=16196042&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=the-15-most-deprived-areas-of-wales-name_page.html (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_objectid=16196042&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=the-15-most-deprived-areas-of-wales-name_page.html)

 :cyclist40: Can't wait for the new "West Shore link path"

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on January 30, 2011, 10:33:27 AM
 Z** Lets talk about the wrotten lights ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on January 30, 2011, 11:44:49 AM
 Z** Let's PROTEST and MARCH on the Town Hall.  Let's INVADE the Council Chamber when there is a Full Council Meeting.   Let's all LOBBY our Ward Councillors.    Let's POST LEAFLETS through every letter box in Town.    Let's get a few more IDEAS on how to tackle the situation.   Let's STOP SITTING on our Arses and get up and DO SOMETHING!   ZXZ

Why bother - doubt that they will pay any attention!    ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on February 20, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
 :D I have just put a letter together for our town councillors telling them of my disgust at Llandudno's xmas illumination's,these will be sent to their home addresses so they all get the chance to reply with their own views. I will let you all know who bothers  to reply and what their views ars on the efforts they produce every year. :-[
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on February 21, 2011, 09:37:32 PM
 :( Very little support on this one,maybe it is all a waste of time and effort to try and improve anything in this town. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on February 21, 2011, 09:42:13 PM
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:( Very little support on this one,maybe it is all a waste of time and effort to try and improve anything in this town. :rage:

Perhaps you should start a Friends of the Illuminations group?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on February 21, 2011, 11:39:33 PM
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:( Very little support on this one,maybe it is all a waste of time and effort to try and improve anything in this town. :rage:

I think lots of people agree with you Wrex, but everyone is disillousioned at the inertia on many such subjects.

My main one being the Pier Pavilion site,   and I've all but given up mentioning it now.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on February 22, 2011, 02:09:13 PM
Are you dropping a hint Fester ? :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on February 24, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
 :o Bumped into CLL J Boyle last night and told him i had just sent a letter to all the councillors expressing my disgust at the xmas illuminations,oh there is no money this year was his reply,why do i bother ,and of he went. I hope that they at least try to get Parc Llandudno,Mostyn Champneys and Asda to make an effort,that would;nt cost a penny. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on February 24, 2011, 06:21:39 PM
J Boyle has been chair of the Xmas Lighting for as long as I can remember and he has NEVER seemed to do anything constructive.  He made a complete balls up of the Alice theme lights some years ago but still keeps his position.   More interested in running his business and being called Councillor than doing anything for us.     $uk

FFS why don't we all descend on the next Full Council Meeting and cause a bit of publicity for the NWWN to use.  It could be the paper's most interesting story for ages.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on February 24, 2011, 10:55:54 PM
We can't all descend on the meeting Yorkie,  because then it would be a confined and busy space... and you wouldn't like it?

I'll go on my own,  or with Wrex, after a few pints of Cider?   ZXZ ZXZ ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on February 25, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
Sometimes we have to overcome our fears!     $uk
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on February 25, 2011, 12:17:52 PM
   :-[  Do you mean the councillor sat at the end glaring at you,yorkie Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on February 25, 2011, 12:20:11 PM
Having sat in the Council Chamber I can assure you that the fear is more with them than I - and you should know that!     L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on February 25, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
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J Boyle has been chair of the Xmas Lighting for as long as I can remember and he has NEVER seemed to do anything constructive.  He made a complete balls up of the Alice theme lights some years ago but still keeps his position.   More interested in running his business and being called Councillor than doing anything for us.     $uk

FFS why don't we all descend on the next Full Council Meeting and cause a bit of publicity for the NWWN to use.  It could be the paper's most interesting story for ages.

Is John still in business?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on February 25, 2011, 04:42:33 PM
His name is still seen adorning vehicles, but maybe now only active just in name only.     )*)&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on February 25, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
He isn't in business.  That  - oddly - is another Boyle and his son also has a business.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on February 25, 2011, 08:54:15 PM
Andy Boyle is a very good electrician.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on February 28, 2011, 05:02:42 PM
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Andy Boyle is a very good electrician.

He is very good.

Took over his Father's business. John Boyle must be nearing 80 years of age.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on February 28, 2011, 05:18:41 PM
 8) Only had one response from my letter'having sent out 30 letters to 30 councillors ,up to now i have had one response and that was a text saying ouch.They have only had the letter since Friday so we will give them a little more time to digest the letter and see if any of our 30 councillors can put pen to paper and at least tell me why they think the lights are so poor. :-[
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on February 28, 2011, 06:14:55 PM
Good work, Wrex, keep up the pressure.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on February 28, 2011, 06:22:02 PM
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He isn't in business.  That  - oddly - is another Boyle and his son also has a business.

Thought as much, seeing as I know him quite well !
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 01, 2011, 08:23:03 AM
 ??? I have also sent the story to the north wales weekly,so it will be interesting to see if they think it worth a mention or NOT. D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 03, 2011, 05:31:44 PM
 :o After one week and three responses to my letter [each cll recieved one] the over feeling is the lights they provide are sufficient,so their mentality is so there,or is my mentality is wrong,anyway i think i need some suport from forum members or i will fail badly on this one.If you agree with my thoughts i would appreciate it if you could drop a line to the Chairman B Bertola decorative lighting committee at the town hall and air your views ,thanks.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Paddy on March 03, 2011, 07:35:38 PM
Wrex, I admire your tenacity but could you please explain what you would like to see and how you think it should be funded?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 03, 2011, 09:47:40 PM
 :roll: Cheers Paddy,start with talking to Parc Llandudno ,Mostyn champneys and Asda,trying to involve them in the xmas illuminations as all three put up no exterior lights not one[no cost to council to ask].A welcome at the Links  to xmas in Llandudno seen by all shoppers ,tourists and pantomine goers,a few lights then along Conwy rd towards Bog Island and then a bigger tree on the island ,what a statement.THAT WILL DO FOR STARTERS AND BUILD FROM THERE. ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on March 04, 2011, 08:23:27 AM
And put the new (in May) Mayor on top as a Giant Fairy!     L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on March 05, 2011, 05:19:21 AM
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And put the new (in May) Mayor on top as a Giant Fairy!     L0L

 L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 05, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
  8) I have now recieved six replys from councillors,and the chairman has replied,CLL Bertola.His answer to my request that the decorative lighting committee get around the table with the management of Parc Llandudno,Mostyn Champneys and Asda was this,Money is tightin all quartersof life,buti would ask in your interest and as a member of the public to bringyour concerns regarding Mostyn Champneys and Parc Llandudno directly to their attention.I wish you every success and would like to know your outcome.Bloody cheek,what that tells me is as chairman of xmas ljghts we cannot be bothered but you can .This committee has no ninterest in improving Llandudno whatsoever.Another point he tells me is we had a walk around and decided to put more in Madoc st this year.Surely you get the Main st sorted first then work your way from there,its frightning that these people are left in charge,but we put them there. )*)& :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on March 05, 2011, 04:18:07 PM
What more do you expect from this person?  Or any other person on the Council for that matter.  Just a bunch of self-opionated morons!

Ask Brother (mason) Bertola how much his precious Rugby Club has had from the Council over the years!
And also his other precious interest Town Twinning - where the subsidy from the Council has, over the years, helped to take him and his cronies on jollies to Wormhout!   

 ¢¢##   ¢¢##   ¢¢##  Play us another tune B B Bertola!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 05, 2011, 05:11:50 PM
I've never seen the point of town twinning, just seems an excuse for councillors to have holidays at our expense  :rage:  and we have to have all these silly signs saying 'twinned with some place you've never heard of'  :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: brumbob on March 05, 2011, 07:08:01 PM
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we have to have all these silly signs saying 'twinned with some place you've never heard of'  :rage:
You'd remember if you were in the WW2 but I agree with you
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on March 05, 2011, 07:23:06 PM
Nothing wrong with Town Twinning BB, it is just that we as tax payers have to cough up to pay for something not essential to the wellbeing of the community.

Many things such as Town Twinning could be easily run by a voluntary group at no expense to the Town.

Yes - I remember the last War having (fortunately) lived through it!    $uk
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 07, 2011, 05:23:01 PM
 :( I have now recieved about eight replys from councillors to my concerns about our lights,so i suppose that is a result,but as there seems to be little interest from others i think i should drop my one man campaign and leave the Decorative Lighting Committee to get on with ignoring the towns lack of CHRISTMAS lights..To be honest i think that considering no shop managers complain ,no hoteliors complain,no pub or restaurant complain i must be wrong and the LIGHTS perfectly acceptable. :'(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on March 07, 2011, 05:32:36 PM
I have put in a Freedom of Information request on a number of issues.  I will post details once I get the answers.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
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:( I have now recieved about eight replys from councillors to my concerns about our lights,so i suppose that is a result,but as there seems to be little interest from others i think i should drop my one man campaign and leave the Decorative Lighting Committee to get on with ignoring the towns lack of CHRISTMAS lights..To be honest i think that considering no shop managers complain ,no hoteliors complain,no pub or restaurant complain i must be wrong and the LIGHTS perfectly acceptable. :'(
That's a very good point, Wrex. If I owned a substantial business in the town, I would not be happy with the current state of the Christmas lighting. It's a token effort at best.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 10, 2011, 05:25:40 PM
 :rage: My one man crusade has now come to an end with very little support its time to leave the xmas lights to Colwyn Bay who seem to have a better idea what it is all about. Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Paddy on March 10, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
Wrex, if you had loads of support it wouldn't be a "one man" crusade.

A journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step. Keep plodding on matey.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on March 10, 2011, 06:49:34 PM
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:rage: My one man crusade has now come to an end with very little support its time to leave the xmas lights to Colwyn Bay who seem to have a better idea what it is all about. Z**

Now looky here Wrex,  you know that I am always available to add my voice to your cause, and if you are who I think you are, you know that I have been a pain in the A*** for the Council fo many a year!

To help I have made a FoI request for certain financial information which will show the balance of the Council's interest in the various enterprises (that's too strong a word) with which they are concerned.   One can then go to them with a positive arguement.  I know all about lack of support as I have had it in the past but just two of us could be a start towards an effective protest group.   It does not have to be a one man band.   
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 11, 2011, 02:36:02 PM
 :-[Okay i nearly threw in the towel,thanks to Paddy ,Yorkie and Dave R i will carry on with this one but please write to Cll Bertola ,Chair of the Decorative lighting committee at the Town Hall or contact your local ward councillors for me and try to get the council to take Llandudno and the town center buisnesses that are left seriously instead of the attitude THEY WILL DO  we are the elected goaway. :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Paddy on March 11, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
Wrex, please PM the relevant adresses to me and I promise I will write the letter.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 11, 2011, 10:48:40 PM
 ;)Paddy thanks for your support,all 30 councillors addresses are on the famous town council website,and im sure they will look forward to recieving more xmas light complaints.Out of the 30 i have had 10 replies. $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on March 12, 2011, 07:37:30 AM
Wrex, How about publishing the worst on the Forum?    It may engender some more support.

I have not yet had an acknowledegment of my FoI request yet!   Maybe they don't check their e-mail boxes that often.    ))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Paddy on March 12, 2011, 02:27:37 PM
Excellent idea Yorkie.

Wrex, name and shame.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 14, 2011, 08:29:11 PM
 :o I  have made it onto thoughs of oscar,he has put some of my comments on,so does that mean its a VICTORY. D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: brumbob on March 14, 2011, 11:38:43 PM
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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on March 14, 2011, 11:40:32 PM
I thought you were Oscar Wrex?  ???
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on March 14, 2011, 11:47:17 PM
Either Trojan or Wrex is Oscar!!!   Its an elaborate double bluff!  :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on March 15, 2011, 12:21:07 AM
What?  :o

That's ridiculous Fester - I'm too far away.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on March 15, 2011, 12:25:14 AM
Aaargghh... a triple bluff!    You could be anywhere...  OSCAR is omnipitent!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on March 15, 2011, 12:30:32 AM
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Aaargghh... a triple bluff!    You could be anywhere...  OSCAR is omnipitent!


What?  :o

Not so sure about that!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on March 15, 2011, 12:38:08 AM
You should be looking a little closer to home Fester.

You may even bump into Mrs Oscar.  :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 15, 2011, 07:24:08 PM
 :o Trojan do you really think i could come up with all that clap trap about Conservatives and landlords,really. ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on March 15, 2011, 07:29:49 PM
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:o Trojan do you really think i could come up with all that clap trap about Conservatives and landlords,really. ZXZ

Claptrap? How dare you!  >:( Time for me to make a few phone calls!  :>:>







 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on March 25, 2011, 06:00:10 PM
 ¢¢##The town council are looking for some money to give the poor children a xmas display they will remember ,the same as we do. ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on March 25, 2011, 06:44:09 PM
I am still waiting for a reply to my FOI request regarding monies spent or given to different enterprises.  The Council only have 6 days left to supply the information so it looks as though they may be in trouble with the Information Commissioner again.   C'est la vie!     $uk
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on April 13, 2011, 09:59:10 PM
 :o I was just noseing at Mostyn Champneys website to see if i could find out about DFS AND WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THEY ARE THE SAME FIRM THAT RUN bROUGHTON RETAIL PARK,unfortunatley my e-mail failed to send.In the e-mail i requested to know why Broughton looked superb at xmas but Llandudno had nowt.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on April 18, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
 >>> Jingle bells,jingle bells jingle all the way oh what fun it would be to see some xmas lights ow :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on April 19, 2011, 09:03:17 AM
I may have some information for you soon.  I am still waiting for some info requested under the FOI Act on 7 March.  The Llandudno Town Council seem to be oblivious to the Law as they are now well over the 20 days demanded by the Act.   By prevaricating it will only get them a further rebuke from the Commissioner.

They seem to want to hold on to the information no doubt assuming that if they hold back it won't be so important or the person will go away - I feel like repeating those words that I used 7 months ago, because they still hold true today!   WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on April 19, 2011, 10:24:51 PM
 ;) I was told tonight to keep an eye on Penrhyn hill and Madoc st by a councillor ,Okay they have been shamed into doing something,but surely you get the MAIN street sorted first then sort out the side streets. :rage: >>> $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on April 20, 2011, 08:12:51 AM
I suspect they think they HAVE sorted out the main street, Wrex, with the marvellous array of 1 watt led lighting that you have difficulty telling if it's switched on or not.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Paddy on April 20, 2011, 03:51:42 PM
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I suspect they think they HAVE sorted out the main street, Wrex, with the marvellous array of 1 watt led lighting that you have difficulty telling if it's switched on or not.  :(

I quite like those lights Dave. I think they look classy.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on May 08, 2011, 06:02:11 PM
 :) The lights on Mostyn st do not represent xmas they are the summer lights,now as i have said they are going to improve Madoc st and Penrhyn hill.I suggested they welcome visitors along Conwy rd[main route into town] and Mostyn st,so they decide two fingers to that and want to improve lesser areas,what can you do with their utter ignorance. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on May 08, 2011, 07:05:21 PM
At the next Council Election, canvass hard for people who will do something, or even stand for Council yourself - or have you had enough?    Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on May 26, 2011, 08:04:39 PM
 :) Right as you know i have written to the town council and they have come up with some plan for Madoc st and Penrhyn hill,ignoring the Main road into Llandudno and the main street[Mostyn St] ,so that is their response,i will e-mail the new Mayor and ask for his personal views.This evening i have e-mailed ,Parc Llandudno,Asda head office and Mostyn Champneys about their lack of xmas anything,so i will let you know their responses.Merry xmas. Z**.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on May 27, 2011, 12:59:43 AM
Good luck with Mr Robbins, the new encumbent Mayor.   Keep us posted Wrex.

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on June 08, 2011, 02:17:20 PM
At long last I have received the figures from Llandudno Town Council requested on 7 March and finally delivered a few days ago.   The 20 working days allowed by the Commissioner having been exceeded by more than enough!    The figures for Wrex and others if still interested are as follows:
Xmas Parade: 2003/4 to 2009/10.
2475 - 3033 - 2000 - 2384 - 2693 -3035 - 2904
Decorative Lighting: 2003/4 to 2009/10.
37945 - 19051 - 18045 - 18485 - 42223 - 29011 - 31653 - 26053
New Promenade Lighting:
2007 Phase 1 - 63088.......2008 Phase 2 - 59810
Grants to Rugby Club: 2004 to 2011
500 - 500 - 500 - 2000 - 2500 - 1000 - 1000 - 500
Town Twinning: 2006/7 to 2010/11
619 - 990 - 1323 - 872 - 632

It has not been made clear whether VAT is applicable to all items.  They were extremely poorly presented which would tend to indicate the Council's total dislike to providing such information.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on June 18, 2011, 07:50:04 AM
 :D Tesco;s to pay for town lights,read all about it. ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on June 26, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
 :D Can anyone suggest a way to get throught to Bertola and Boyle that it is Mostyn St they want to get right first not Madoc st and bloody Penrhyn Hill.They have told me to look out for those two this year,i just bang my head against a brick wall.I suggest they have a xmas welcome on the a470 so what do they do,the local road,idiots. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on June 26, 2011, 03:47:06 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on June 26, 2011, 03:51:34 PM
Be kind to your elders Wrex!   Remember they are the two oldest Members of the Town Council, and they last moved forward when sweets came off the ration.  Since then time has stood still and is unlikely to move forward again.    Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 17, 2011, 08:01:52 AM
In the minutes of the last meeting the Decorative lighting committee in July they disscussed letter i had sent them in march and the outcome was to invite me onto the committee [ i still have had no invitation], the fact that it has taken themat least 3 months to even disscuss it shows there is no interest in improving Mostyn St , as for joining the committee it is held in the afternoon and they think this will SILENCE me, no way. I have admited defeat on getting any improvements because they have no will to improve anything in Llandudno whatsoever. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on August 17, 2011, 08:04:10 AM
They are also having a special meeting to discuss a complete new strategy towards Christmas Lighting in the town.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 17, 2011, 08:11:18 AM
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In the minutes of the last meeting the Decorative lighting committee in July they disscussed letter i had sent them in march and the outcome was to invite me onto the committee [ i still have had no invitation], the fact that it has taken themat least 3 months to even disscuss it shows there is no interest in improving Mostyn St , as for joining the committee it is held in the afternoon and they think this will SILENCE me, no way. I have admited defeat on getting any improvements because they have no will to improve anything in Llandudno whatsoever. :rage:

Wrex, Tell them that you want to bring a friend and I'll come with you, that will frighten the living daylights out of them.  !    WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 17, 2011, 06:24:13 PM
That frightens me Yorkie never mind them as you know that council is run by a few councillors and it stinks. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 17, 2011, 06:47:37 PM
It is rathjer unfortunate for those who became new Members after the last election.  They are now probably sick of the way things are run by the "old" brigade.  And old is the operative word.

The next council election is next year so I am thinking of standing again but for the Town rather than the County, which was my mistake last time.   I would be standing against Terry Davies, Felicity Elphick, Jack Finch, Linda Groom, Myra Wigzell, Ann Yates,  all in all a real motley crew you must agree.   Care to mount a joint campaign?     >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 19, 2011, 07:31:59 AM
 ;D And they all speak so highly of you Yorkie, im shocked. WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2011, 09:27:19 AM
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;D And they all speak so highly of you Yorkie, im shocked. WWW

They only speak highly of me like they   :twoface:  would love to see me hanging from a gibbett.     :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Llechwedd on August 19, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Does the May  Extravaganza week end make any money?  If so could that pay for more Christmas decorations?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on August 19, 2011, 03:02:09 PM
Perhaps we should see some accounts !!!!! :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 19, 2011, 04:55:14 PM
 GREAT IDEA INSTEAD OF THE TOWN COUNCIL RUNNING LLANDUDNO THE vICTIORIAN EXTRAVAGANZA CAN RUN THE TOWN, AT LEAST IT WOULD HAVE THE TOWN AT HEART. :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Llechwedd on August 20, 2011, 11:26:43 AM
Well they couldn't do much worse.  Could they?  I'm assuming that someone audits the Extravaganza accounts so what happens to any profits and if there aren't any why are they doing it?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 20, 2011, 02:35:21 PM
 :) Yes there are audited accounts and why do they do it , well the people involved do it for the good of the town and they like the event , enjoy seeing the town busy and local kids having a ball. :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 07, 2011, 11:38:35 AM
wrex is my hero !!  $good$

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/105996/we-ll-brighten-up-christmas.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/105996/we-ll-brighten-up-christmas.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 07, 2011, 01:41:07 PM
 ;D Can;t say this sounds like too much of an improvement ,but lets just see how much better it looks.At least they have;nt left it till november to organise it. WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on September 08, 2011, 12:10:43 AM
The power of WREX, it knows no bounds..  D) I'll believe it when I see it though.

Wrex for Mayor I say, unless of course the venerable Mr Robbins does indeed sort out the Pier Pavilion Site as promised.

Not many months left to achieve this miracle!

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on September 08, 2011, 03:01:43 AM
Let's hope the illuminations are a dazzling spectacular sight.  VV

I will miss Wrex harping on about them though.  8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on September 08, 2011, 10:30:39 AM
A BETTER Christmas lights display is being promised for Llandudno.


At the moment it is just a promise, next wait for the excuses!    ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 08, 2011, 06:26:22 PM
 Trogan there is nothing promised for Mostyn Street [ the main shopping st] they did not contact Asda , Mostyn Champneys or Parc Llandudno to see if they would put any thing up on their parcs , and they have no welcome signs on the A470 at the Links [the main road into Llandudno] so believe me i aint finished harping on for a long time. >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2011, 11:16:10 AM
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Trogan there is nothing promised for Mostyn Street [ the main shopping st] they did not contact Asda , Mostyn Champneys or Parc Llandudno to see if they would put any thing up on their parcs , and they have no welcome signs on the A470 at the Links [the main road into Llandudno] so believe me i aint finished harping on for a long time. >>>

 VV  <:<:<:<  VV
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on September 09, 2011, 01:28:43 PM
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Trogan there is nothing promised for Mostyn Street [ the main shopping st] they did not contact Asda , Mostyn Champneys or Parc Llandudno to see if they would put any thing up on their parcs , and they have no welcome signs on the A470 at the Links [the main road into Llandudno] so believe me i aint finished harping on for a long time. >>>

Thank goodness for that re-assurance -   ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 09, 2011, 06:48:24 PM
 ;) The problem with the town council is they cocked up with the Alice lights and they have no idea were they are,so they are scared to try again so they add a couple of symbols on lamposts in Madoc st and think that will do ,unfortunately nobody complains to them[except me ] so they think they are doing a good job.When they visit other towns over the festive season not one of them thinks MY GOD WHY DOES OUR TOWN NOT LOOK LIKE THIS. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on September 09, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
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;) The problem with the town council is they cocked up with the Alice lights and they have no idea were they are,so they are scared to try again so they add a couple of symbols on lamposts in Madoc st and think that will do ,unfortunately nobody complains to them[except me ] so they think they are doing a good job.When they visit other towns over the festive season not one of them thinks MY GOD WHY DOES OUR TOWN NOT LOOK LIKE THIS. :rage:

Wrex you are totally wrong - you should see the file that the Council have in my name!    I am in contact with them almost on a daily basis, so much so that they will not allow me to send e-mails as a form of correspondence any more.  So I just write more letters!   Ask Councillor Terry Davies what he thinks.    :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 09, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
Yorkie, shouldn't you be using this one?

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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 19, 2011, 08:25:37 PM
 Soon be time for the big switch on of the new xmas lights, i wonder who they will get to switch on the NEW christmas spectacular. ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on September 19, 2011, 08:26:27 PM
Oscar?!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 19, 2011, 10:57:16 PM
 8) Does he do public appearances. :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on September 19, 2011, 11:47:54 PM
Hopefully he will be doing... very soon....  8) 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on September 20, 2011, 08:23:24 AM
Surely not......?  8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 05, 2011, 07:43:51 AM
 ;D Not long now. D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 14, 2011, 10:11:53 PM
 :( Spoke to Cll Bertola this morning, he said he hoped i would like the new lights on the lamposts in Madoc St and Lloyd St , i said ok you are doing a bit on the side streets but what about the high street which is in need of help [ we all know that] oh the buisnesses won;t give towards them, oh i thought rates go towards it, you know my feelings was his reply ,i just mentioned Colwyn Bay where paying their shops to light up ,off he walked. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 15, 2011, 07:44:58 AM
Just absolutely typical of Mr B.   If it was for the Rugby Club or the Swimming Club it would be a different story!   Pretents to be a friend whenever he meets you but avoids you like the plague when you need for a bit of help.  I know.
A Freemason of this Town who fails to follow the tenets of the organisation!  WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 03, 2011, 09:12:41 PM
 D) Having just come back from Las Vegas i think Llandudno Town council may never be able to please me now. We visited a choclate factory which strings up 20,000 lights in its grounds at xmas ,you would think the locals of Vegas would not be bothered with more lights,weird.Having seen neon lights for 7 days inside and out it will be quite a relief to see the councils none effort. Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 04, 2011, 02:39:47 PM
will the lights be on next thursday for the car rally and the thousands who will attend.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 06, 2011, 05:34:49 PM
Forty seven days to xmas,so the town council should be running around now like headless chickens making sure LLandudno;s main st isgoing to be the best in these hard times for the high st, i for one can;t wait to see what help they are going to give the town;s retailers in their battle to stay alive. WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 07, 2011, 06:12:44 PM
On myway home tonight driving through town i thought how dull the place looks, even the Victoria center was just a blob of white ,then going down the Broadway ,whopeeeeeeeee there in front of me was the Cafe on the coach park all lite up, congratulations to the project manager ,please get onto the town council and show them how it CAN be done.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 09, 2011, 09:10:21 PM
Xmas trees have been put up, shall i get excited or wot.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 14, 2011, 09:18:01 PM
Have you noticed the council have started putting the lights up early this year, i wonder if they plan to have them on for the Celtic CHRISTMAS Fayre. NO new ones in Madoc st yet. ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 14, 2011, 09:21:44 PM
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Xmas trees have been put up, shall i get excited or wot.

Go one Wrex, pretend something is happening and lets see you when you're really excited!    $bounce$
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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 19, 2011, 09:01:04 AM
 $angry$ Thank god Oscar has highlighted Mostyn st and the how black it is. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 20, 2011, 10:02:08 AM
When I went for my Sunday Paper to Penrhryn Bay at about 9.00 a.m. some Council men were installing a Xmas tree and lights on the Roundabout.  There were 3 men, one lorry and two cherry pickers so how much the whole thing is costing is anybody's guess with Sunday working at double time.

The tree itself look a rather poor specimen, very thin on top and will I suspect shed all its needles in the first strong wind.  The lights looked as though they were going to finish up as a dangling mess!   However, I shall reserve final judgement until the whole thing has been assembled and in working order.    >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 20, 2011, 05:54:51 PM
We need some Americans on the town council, they know how to celebrate and light up for xmas L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 20, 2011, 06:37:59 PM
No comment!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 20, 2011, 06:56:04 PM
OMG Yorkie im trying always to get the councillors who read this forum motivated into action for xmas and you put santa peeing in the wind,if the old coggers see that i have no chance(never did anyway. All this negativity stems from the cock up they made with the Alice lights and nobody knows where they are. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on November 20, 2011, 09:52:02 PM
The Alice Lights were sent back-- John Boyle knows the details.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 21, 2011, 07:37:50 AM
So do I and it would not make pleasant reading for the local taxpayers.   JB was Chair of the Decorative Lighting Committee and I believe he still is. even after that fiasco!.    :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 23, 2011, 08:37:26 AM
 :o Ok this is my last post on the subject,yes i have been obsessed with trying with LITTLE response on here as well as from the TC ,now i have been looking forward to seeing what they are putting on the lamposts in Lloyd st and Madoc st ,oh dear they are the smallest things you could get ( only done lloyd st up to now so if they are different in Madoc st i apologies now), having seen what they have put on the lamposts in Conwy and Rhos-on-Sea, Llandudno town council are taking the p---.Sorry but it a case of there you have six new lights now get off our case,ITS PATHETIC but i tried now its up to someone else if theres any interest. :-*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 23, 2011, 08:53:33 AM
I am trying to give you support but one can only put down the lack of support to the general apathetic attitude normally displayed by all but a few of the people of the UK.

Don't give up - next year is just around the corner and I did hear that the Town Council have ambitions to get one or two of the Olymic swimming events to be held in the town.     Sorry, hang on a minute, just heard that the pool will be closed to International Swimming teams in favour of the Llandudno Over 45's "Lets all jump in togather and make a big splash" Club.   It seems that everything the Council try to do is thwarted by some outside influence, or their own ineptitude.

Wrex for President!  Rah, Rah, Rah!!! :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 23, 2011, 07:08:58 PM
Here in Berlin the lights are little short of stunning, and a great deal better that London's rather weak display. It's actually astonishing what can be achieved with simple white lights.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 24, 2011, 08:38:20 AM
Llanfairfechan have already switched on their Xmas lights!!

Seems we are having to wait until the Mayor can perform the delicate operation at the same time as heading the Xmas parade, which apparently includes a Town Crier that the Council do not have!  That's Magic!

 >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 28, 2011, 08:53:01 PM
Looks like the Town Council have succumbed to the power that is OSCAR. I was having coffee with Mr & Mrs Fester in Cafe Culture earlier and we noticed that all the Christmas illuminations are now switched on.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 28, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
That will appease Wrex for a while then!

The lights are also switched on to the pathetic little Xmas tree at Penrhryn Bay!  Couldn't photograph it as even with Zoom on full I still couldn't get half a frame!
 >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: norman08 on November 28, 2011, 09:12:46 PM
better lights on the trees on the flyover rounabout than in llandudno
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 04, 2011, 09:16:17 AM
Mostyn Street last night:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 04, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
How bloody pathetic is that when you compare it with the Town Hall!   Selfish bastards!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 07, 2011, 05:42:44 PM
I must congratulate the owner of Cafe Culture on his illuminated Santa, Sleigh & Reindeers on the outside canopy - a very good effort.  $good$  ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 07, 2011, 06:51:09 PM
I think that many of the businesses would have made a bigger effort to show some Xmas spirit with decorations hsd they realised the apathetic approach the Town Council were to show.

One of the main problems with the Town Council is that after each Meeting the Town Clerk is left to turn the Councillors babblings into sense and then if anything needs arranging she has to do it all herself!    At times she has good reason to get very frustarted and there was rumour that she was "looking".   About he only time one Councillor picks up the phone is to book the annual holiday in Benalmadina!

 :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 07, 2011, 07:59:28 PM
A video by Glyn Hughes of the Christmas Parade, many local characters can be seen...

LLandudno Christmas Parade 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZH_VTFYxIQ#ws)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on December 09, 2011, 11:39:10 PM
A nice festive video...  the parade was very nice indeed.

But once again I witnessed those bloody annoying Star Wars stormtroopers mincing about... they are neither Victorian nor Christmassy, I wish they would b****r off in thier tatty old costumes.

Please someone reassure me that we don't pay for those Star Wars characters, via Counceil Tax or suchlike.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 10, 2011, 07:43:52 AM
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But once again I witnessed those bloody annoying Star Wars stormtroopers mincing about... they are neither Victorian nor Christmassy, I wish they would b****r off in thier tatty old costumes.
Please someone reassure me that we don't pay for those Star Wars characters, via Counceil Tax or suchlike.

I think you will find that they are an expense on the Xmas Parade as are many things that the Council are incapable of organising themselves.   -   I feel a Freedom of Information request coming on!!     _))*

It is a pity that one or two Councillors don't subscribe to local Forums and give us the benefit of their knowledge about such matters.  What a wonderful method of communication they have available - and totally FREE!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 10, 2011, 08:32:17 AM
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Please someone reassure me that we don't pay for those Star Wars characters, via Counceil Tax or suchlike.
I believe they are paid to attend.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on December 10, 2011, 10:22:50 AM
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Please someone reassure me that we don't pay for those Star Wars characters, via Counceil Tax or suchlike.
I believe they are paid to attend.

If that is the case, I shall invade the council chamber, with a dozen of my 'men at arms'
Can you tell I went to the Conwy medieval night last night?

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 10, 2011, 10:49:04 AM
Makes a change from you having 'men in your arms', I suppose.  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 10, 2011, 01:19:36 PM
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A nice festive video...  the parade was very nice indeed.

But once again I witnessed those bloody annoying Star Wars stormtroopers mincing about...

they were the best bit for me  WWW and of cause the Dalek   :>:>

mind you in the video, I did like the appearance of Captain Pugwash in the black hat and red cloak at about 00.46 into the video  :laugh:
Title: Christmas 2012
Post by: wrex on December 23, 2011, 09:11:59 AM
Here is my last gripe on the subject and lets see who else has an opinion. As you all know i think the xmas illuminations are pathetic for a tourist and main shopping town ,the town council do not help bring any xmas spirit to the center besides a 2 hour entertainment show and parade on the first Saturday of December.This years xmas fair in Madoc st brought a lot more coaches in this year than i have ever seen , o well done to their pr person,yet did the TC put the xmas lights on,no.No brass bands have i seen,no carol singers have i seen and of course Parc Llandudno seem just as bad, so there you have it when it comes to helping the town center there seems to be no will,effort, so i propose the Decorative lighting committee resign and force some of the younger councillors to take over and show some commitment and respect to those companys that are in Mostyn st,as for Parc Llandudno im just amazed they do NOTHING at xmas around their parc. Please have an opinion whether you agree or not. >>>
Title: Re: Christmas 2012
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 23, 2011, 10:25:46 AM
It's difficult for me to have much of an opinion on this as I'm not a big fan of christmas, for what it's worth it must come down to money and budgets, what available money is there to fund Xmas lights?
The shops can't have much left over after rent, rates etc. I don't want to pay higher council tax to pay for it either I just put our own lights up
Title: Re: Christmas 2012
Post by: Yorkie on December 23, 2011, 01:07:41 PM
I totally agree with Wrex, or mostly anyway.

The Town Council have a generous budget fo Decorative Lighting as I can testify as an ex-Town Councillor  as was demonstrated when the Alice themed lights were put up some years ago.   They disappeared almost as quickly for reasons that have not yet been made public, and probably never will be!   I had left the Council by then so am just as much in the dark as everyone else.  I don't suppose any Councillor reading this will be prepared to comment on the Forum so we shall be in the dark for a little longer.

The Decorative Lighting committee is Chaired by John Boyle (or was) and has been since Adam was a boy.   Wrex is right when he says the whole lot need changing.  The old brigade is certainly  past its sell by date with all those whose arses are almost moulded to their seats in the Chamber - such as Evans, Boyle, Bertola, Williams, Lyons, Websell, Pearce, Finch-Saunders, Ridler, Jones, Finch, Davies, and maybe a few others who have not been in residence for quite so long.

Nothing will be any different even if they are changed.   The Town Council is defunct, inessential and worthless and a total waste of taxpayers money.  The administrative cost alone swallows up most of the overall precept with Rent, Services and an expensive Town Clerk and her two sidekicks.

A few local enthusiasts could put on a better show of lights, parades, bloom and all the trivia with which the Council are involved.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on January 08, 2012, 07:17:11 PM
I hope you all enjoyed last years xmas illuminations in Llandudno and they made you all proud to be part of the Llandudno christmas spectacular.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: TheMedz on January 08, 2012, 08:01:44 PM
What's with the past tense Wrex. I drove through town this evening and the Town Hall Christmas Tree and other parts of town are all ready for next year already. I was expecting them all to come down today rather than 12th night to ensure Sunday rates for the workers taking them down but here we are 8th of January and they are all sill there.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on April 02, 2012, 07:11:17 PM
No its not a late april fool,let us remember the Alice in Wonderland lights that the town council put up,nice idea but the things where too heavey,as things have become lighter im sure the town council could once again think about Alice lights ,especially now CCBC have decided to spend money on this trail and Mr Mortlock has bought the Alice collection,surely this has to be a god idea, a common sense idea and good for the town on all fronts,a Alice in Wonderland xmas,what do you think.I will get xmas lights oneway or another. _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on April 02, 2012, 07:17:59 PM
It's a good idea. The present lights are very bland indeed, no imagination or creativity goes into them, just several boring strings of dim LED lights strung across Mostyn Street.

Here's an Alice Christmas display from Leicester:
http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/leicester/gallery,605016.html (http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/leicester/gallery,605016.html)

Did you ever get that invitation to join the Christmas Lighting committee, Wrex?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on April 02, 2012, 07:47:06 PM
Yes Dave but i think they just wanted to shut me up by having me there,i gave them all my ideas and they ignored them,most never even responded so thats what interest there is on the council,back to the Alice xmas theme its got to be a winner as CCBC are spending on the Alice idea why not the town council show willing.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on April 03, 2012, 08:00:25 AM
Well i can see you all have rushed to have your say,obviously this is not a subject anyone cares about and it really proves the town council right that Llandudno does not need to improve any lights or make the town become a place to visit at xmas to see their illuminations,i admit defeat.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on April 03, 2012, 08:54:59 AM
You will never admit defeat, Wrex!  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on April 03, 2012, 10:52:44 AM
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Well i can see you all have rushed to have your say,obviously this is not a subject anyone cares about and it really proves the town council right that Llandudno does not need to improve any lights or make the town become a place to visit at xmas to see their illuminations,i admit defeat.

I take it that you are putting yourself forward as a Candidate in the forthcoming Council Elections then? 

No?

I thought not!    L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on April 03, 2012, 11:08:12 AM
Wrex already does far more for the town than a lot of people, in my opinion.  $good$ Someone putting themselves forward as a candidate has achieved...what? Time to boast is when a candidate has been elected and actually achieved something, surely.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on April 03, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
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Wrex already does far more for the town than a lot of people, in my opinion.  $good$ . . . . . . . Time to boast is when a candidate has been elected and actually achieved something, surely.

I am sure that Wrex will have taken my comment in the spirit in which it was made!   Both Wrex and I have served on the Council together, at the same time, at the same meetings, on the same side, and I think we both enjoyed each others company and each others attitude towards the Town, its people and its needs.  I have also used his professional services and recommend him to others.

Maybe you were not aware of this.

Just goes to show that comments written from one to another on a Forum can be misinterpreted by other readers.   Or am I the one who has misunderstood?

I wish he would stand again.   $walesflag$

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on April 03, 2012, 10:19:07 PM
Unfortunatley being on the town council is a waste of time,just take the tram shelter on the West Shore,how long has this little saga been going on and all the town council do is blame CCBC AND YES IT IS THEIR FAULT but the town council should have kicked up a fuss and supported Mr Gorka instead of sitting back and letting CCBC drag this out.My xmas lights,no interest in the council what so ever,most are there for political gain not LLandudno.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on April 04, 2012, 08:40:56 AM
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Unfortunatley being on the town council is a waste of time,just take the tram shelter on the West Shore,how long has this little saga been going on and all the town council do is blame CCBC AND YES IT IS THEIR FAULT but the town council should have kicked up a fuss and supported Mr Gorka instead of sitting back and letting CCBC drag this out.My xmas lights,no interest in the council what so ever,most are there for political gain not LLandudno.

All of which is a good enough reason to get elected and fight them on their own territory  ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Alan Drwm on April 04, 2012, 12:05:46 PM
Some years ago I began a project called Llandudno Decorative lights, which, with a combination of funds from a local charity, the Town Council and local businesses, provided Christmas illuminations in Llandudno.  Beginning the first year in Madoc Street, and then expanding to the whole town we lit up Llandudno every year.  Later the mood of the Town Council changed and they withdrew their funding, suggesting that the businesses were the ones to benefit so they should bear the whole cost. This was a lot to ask, and as I was not prepared to fund Llandudno's Christmas lights from my own pocket, the scheme collapsed.  But, as luck would have it, Colwyn Bay Town Council found out that a town full of Christmas lights were sitting dormant in a Llandudno warehouse, and offered to adopt Llandudno's lights as their own.  The result was that, funded by Colwyn Bay Town Council, the lights seen in Colwyn Bay and other surrounding towns for most of the last 15 years came from those Llandudno rejected.  However, due to the refurbishment costs required to meet new EU guidelines, the expenses were too great for us to bear, so the business closed a couple of years ago and all the decorations have gone to that great Christmas tree in the sky.  But it was great while it lasted.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on April 04, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
You did a superb job too, Alan.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on April 04, 2012, 08:22:02 PM
It was Cll Bertola who used to bark on about M&S should pay for the lights and this is the whole problem ,nobody looks at the benefits of having a bit of pride in the town,when you think Llandudno is supposed to be a tourist and main shopping town and the display this council puts on is abissmal and yet there is not one complaint from the chamber of trade,hospitality assoc or the regeneration group so its no surprise thetown hall don;t give a monkeys.One day somebody will have a little imagination and pride for the town,but not until the dead and oldwood has gone from the council or enought people and groups show a little interest as well.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on April 04, 2012, 09:34:53 PM
And the same Town Councillor, the said Brian B Bertola, is the first one to start shouting long and loud, to make sure that his pet Rugby Club and Swimming Club are first in line when the Council are dishing out the Annual Grants!

It is just his priorities that are in the wrong order, or is it selfishness?   :rage:

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on April 04, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
A typical politician in my opinion.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on May 16, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
Well with only 5 months before the xmas illuminations should be turned on to enhance Llandudno at xmas im hoping all 11 new councillors are aware that the town lights are poor and need improving,i will right to all new and old councillors again and hope that more than ten reply this time.I do hope that they look at the Alice theme again as the town seems to be taking it forward at the moment(i mean CCBC) with Mr Mortlock now looking to reopen the museum somewhere in town.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on May 16, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
I noted in the last lot of Town Council minutes (to be found in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Leopard”*) that the Decorative Lighting Committee had agreed to bring the switch on date of the Christmas Lights forward in order that shops would benefit for a longer period and bring Llandudno into line with other towns in the area. However, when the decision came to be ratified by full Council, it was rejected and sent back to the committee for further discussion.

What can you say but...what a bunch of clowns! Not a single clue between them.


* - http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/THHGTTG/THHGTTGradio1.htm (http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/THHGTTG/THHGTTGradio1.htm)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 16, 2012, 10:44:44 PM
 ;D Hitch-hiker's Guide, a work of genius, I have the box set of cds from the original Radio 4 show. Coming to venue Cymru soon, I must get the tickets (and remember my towel!  ;D )
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on May 27, 2012, 10:52:31 AM
Happy Alice in Llandudno xmas,get the message Llandudno town council.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on May 27, 2012, 11:30:49 AM
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What can you say but...what a bunch of clowns! Not a single clue between them.


And you thought I might like to join them!!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on June 17, 2012, 07:24:20 AM
Dave can you send that link to the town council(Leicester Alice lights) just to let them know what can be done.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Paddy on June 17, 2012, 12:59:41 PM
Is it just me or is the Christmas lights debate starting earlier every year?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on June 17, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
Paddy,it takes 3 months just to get it on the agenda,then 3 months to make a decision,that takes us to December which of course is then too late to do anything ,so the answer is nooooooooooooo it never to early with this shower and of course getting them to think Llandudno deserves new lights is another matter all together,they run the Miss Alice comp what more do you expect,progress,come on. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on June 24, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
Once the flower buds have died and the grass has stopped growing i will be back on the New Alice in Wonderland xmas illuminations,ok it will be to late but hey the station has taken 12 years so no hurry.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 19, 2012, 09:24:06 AM
Nearly into September now and i wonder if the town council have given any thought too the xmas lights,i had a thought,if we ask for a illuminated Naddolig Llawen would this interest the Plaid councillors,we know the Conservatives don;t give a monkies even with a hotelier as a councillor,sorry two,labour only care about the council estates and as for the independants god knows what they looking to achieve .Any idea;s on how we could make the councillors proud of the town they represent,want to improve it,we know they give up 2 hours a week to discuss these matters but its time they delivered .
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2012, 10:51:53 AM
The simple answer Wrex is to invade the Council Chamber en mass at all Meetings of the Council and the Sub-committees.  Do what the Peasants did in the Middle Ages - revolt!

Here is another story:

In 2005, because I was being a pain in the ar-se to them, they saw fit to put a block on a family owned Domain Name, with their Hosting Service.  Due to some stupid act by the person concerned, probably the Town Clerk of the time, it effectively closed down the domain name over a broad section of the Internet.  The Domain name is paid for by my Son and used by a large number of friends and relatives.

The Council agreed to sort the matter out in March of this year, but despite a plethora of so-called IT "experts" attempting their "magic" it has still not been sorted.  My Son and I have pointed the Council in the right direction as to what needs doing but so far the problem still exists.  Unfortunately it can only be authorised by the Council as they were the instigators of the stupid crass action they took.   We do not know how much mail we may have lost due to the Council's stupidity, or indeed if there was anything important  To stop mail from me they could have just used a block on their own computer using mail rules, without completely disrupting the whole service.   It looks as if the only remedy now is for the Council to answer for their actions in Court, at even more expense on the community.

If you feel you can assist the Council I am sure a big fat fee could be demanded!    ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on August 19, 2012, 11:07:31 AM
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In 2005, because I was being a pain in the ar-se to them, they saw fit to put a block on a family owned Domain Name, with their Hosting Service.

That sounds illegal.  How exactly did that operate?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2012, 11:39:32 AM
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In 2005, because I was being a pain in the ar-se to them, they saw fit to put a block on a family owned Domain Name, with their Hosting Service.

That sounds illegal.  How exactly did that operate?

Don't ask me how they did it, I believe that a local company was looking after their IT services at the time and my Son understands the ins and outs more than I do.  I spoke to him today and he says that reinstatement should be done by the Council's Hosting Service, if they know what they are doing, that is!!   The name "seether" has come into the equation a few times, and this appears to have local connections.   :(

As far as legality is concerned there appears to be an offence in contravention of the Communications Act 2003 but we do not want to take on the heavy cost of an opinion until that  becomes the last resort.  It is quite a complicated read as is most legislation.   >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on August 19, 2012, 05:42:20 PM
Sounds a bit odd. The domain name used for your email has no connection with the ISP you use to access websites, so there is no correlation. What you can do is block an IP address or particular ISP from accessing a website by modifying the .htaccess file on the Server. I've used it to stop Russian bots from accessing the Forum.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
Thanks Dave, if it is as simple as that then why is it taking them so long to get it sorted. 

If the Town Council mail me at my normal email address (the one using the domain name) they get their mail bounced back with the following:

(my address)
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:(my  address): host rhea.easily.co.uk (212.53.64.83): 550 "Mail from Llandudno.gov.uk is denied from host 188.165.248.103 SPF

Then follows copy of the message.

If you know how to sort it for them, contact Tessa.    ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on August 19, 2012, 07:29:22 PM
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That error message is saying that mail from llandudno.gov.uk is denied, not from your own email address?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on August 19, 2012, 07:41:13 PM
It sounds as though the block is at your end, Yorkie.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2012, 07:50:14 PM
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It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That error message is saying that mail from llandudno.gov.uk is denied, not from your own email address?

We have been into it with our own Host and apparently (me not being technical) is something to do with email validation system (SPF) I think!   Our host cannot do anything about it and, in fact, advised us to get LTC to deal with it through theirs.  My lad knows exactly the problem and  I have passed on the message we received from our Host to LTC.  We think that LTC's original host was bought out by Talk Talk and everything has gone haywire since then.  If you look, you can see that they are barely able to keep their web site in reasonable order.  Also it seems that the person who put the Council's wishes into action is no longer in their employment or even interested. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2012, 07:56:22 PM
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It sounds as though the block is at your end, Yorkie.

I am assured that it is not!   Also no one consulted by the Council so far, has suggested that is the case.  Bear in mind I am not technical but all details of the problem including message sources, details, routes etc. have been passed on so they have as much information as we do.  Perhaps if you saw the documentation I have it would be clearer!
 $thanx$ for your interest.

Is this really about Xmas illuminations??   _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on August 19, 2012, 08:04:10 PM
It appears that , because LTC have not set up their email system properly, all email sent from them is regarded as Spam and bounced back, due to a failure with the Email validation.

http://www.authsmtp.com/faqs/faq-65.html (http://www.authsmtp.com/faqs/faq-65.html)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2012, 08:07:11 PM
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It appears that , because LTC have not set up their email system properly, all email sent from them is regarded as Spam and bounced back, due to a failure with the Email validation.

http://www.authsmtp.com/faqs/faq-65.html (http://www.authsmtp.com/faqs/faq-65.html)

I hope they read this!   There must be a kind way of getting it solved!    _))*

I think a local company were the last to try.   $thanx$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on August 20, 2012, 08:23:58 AM
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I am assured that it is not! 

Dave beat me to it:-)) It's not even that hard to resolve, but it will involve the LTC bods sorting it out.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: viv on August 21, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
I don't know where that story came from about Colwyn Bay having Llandudno's lights, but it is certainly not true! When Colwyn Bay Town Council started paying for the town's lights we went to the warehouse where the Council lights were supposed to be stored (which was actually in the St John's Ambulance HQ in Old Colwyn) and only found a tangled heap of old cables. We therefore decided to get new ones on a 3 year contract starting with the town centre with new on then the second year moving these out to Old Colwyn and having new ones again in the Town Centre, and the 3rd year extending to Rhos with new ones in the Town Centre, all on a rental Basis so we didn't have to store them. We have stayed with the same company following proper tendering and have just agreed on the new lighting programme for the next 3 years with new lights in a stunning theme.  We do not consider that local businesses should contribute -indeed we also offer small Xmas trees to be put on brackets and decorated by the traders to augment our lights. If we ask too much of the businesses they may go under, and that is no good for the town -the more businesses that we can promote by having attractive lights, the more money they will make and they will hopefully not close.  We are fortunate that we have a lot of small shops whose owners also take an interest and try their best.

I can assure you we wouldn't want Llandudno's cast offs thank you !
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 21, 2012, 10:18:33 PM
Viv please come to Llandudno,we need someone with your common sense to explain to our councillors why we need to light up the town at xmas.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: viv on August 22, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
Thanks Wrex! But I don't think I would be able to persuade them, after all it's their town! I can concur with the political analysis that you made in a previous post, and unfortunately when politics are so strongly voiced it is difficult to achieve a consensus that is best for the town. Last year we had problems in Colwyn Bay due to the condition of some of the lamp posts and we were unable to light up Abergele Road. This year we are turning this negative into a positive and taking the opportunity to try different options rather than the usual festoons and catenaries (spelling?) . In the Bay we have a problem in that the area sprawls out and we have tried a linear approach with similar lights, but we are now look the areas independently and giving them their own identity so there is a focus on those locations. After Xmas we will be consulting the traders in those locations to consider their own colour schemes and designs.  Our new Council from May has brought in some enthusiastic members who have joined to promote and improve Colwyn Bay, and even though some of the original political Councillors are still there the enthusiasm of the independents wins through. Discussion is frank, but controlled and unbiased and consensus reigns because we are there for the same reason - our town.

Closed and struggling shops do not attract footfall. We have no control over business rates. We have to focus on what we can control, and the shops and the public will respond positively and support us when we need them too if we have to challenge something. People power is very effective and by involving people in decisions  can help us to obtain extra funding other than through Council tax to do even more things for their benefit. But it all has to start with the will to do things that way, rather than us always thinking that we know what is best for them, and that can be a difficult barrier to break through! Good luck.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 09, 2012, 07:39:06 AM
Its coming.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 09, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
Its been 2 years since i first posted on the forum and 10 years since i brought the famous xmas light debate too the council chamber,and nothing has changed except for the lights on the town hall,i might not be here in another ten years so can we just have one xmas before i go with the whole of Mostyn st looking festive,goodbye.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on October 09, 2012, 09:52:33 PM
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Its been 2 years since i first posted on the forum and 10 years since i brought the famous xmas light debate too the council chamber,and nothing has changed except for the lights on the town hall,i might not be here in another ten years so can we just have one xmas before i go with the whole of Mostyn st looking festive,goodbye.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 14, 2012, 10:40:19 AM
Nearly missed this MASSIVE announment in the Pioneer,Cll Bertola said they have managed to scab 4,ooo pounds of local buisnesses to light up another tree in Trinity church and one outside the library,also some new motifs on the lamposts on Lloydd st,and more trees in Madoc st.Okay they seem to be doing a bit more this year butwe all know and i hope im wrong,all these lights will be bl--dy white and will not stand out one bit,i pray one day we get a pro-active council with some ba--s.Yes i will get accused of never being satisfied,but there is no plan to add any more strings across Mostyn St or replace the ones they took down in Madoc st,i can tell u know the tree on bog island,which should be a center piece will still be a small effort,baa humbug
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on October 14, 2012, 01:48:58 PM
Coloured lights are on many nights on Gloddaeth  and Mostyn when we go past with the dog. !! :-)  We shan't know the difference when Christmas comes.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 14, 2012, 03:35:06 PM
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Coloured lights are on many nights on Gloddaeth  and Mostyn when we go past with the dog. !! :-)  We shan't know the difference when Christmas comes.

Of course you will!   Surely you're eyesight is good enough to spot the one extra bulb?  I believe the Festive Lighting Committee are having a whip round from their loose change to buy it.   L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on October 14, 2012, 05:24:13 PM
I will keep both eyes peeled ready to spot it . :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Tosh on October 14, 2012, 05:30:06 PM
What are you doing in Mexico Nemesis???????
Mind if we saw the Isle of Man last week from the Great Orme, you never know.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Tosh on October 14, 2012, 05:31:54 PM
Sorry folks, NEW Mexico, it's not that far though is it?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Tosh on October 14, 2012, 05:44:41 PM
I hope you're watching this Merddin Emrys.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 14, 2012, 08:03:31 PM
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I hope you're watching this Merddin Emrys.

Yes, we saw the Isle of Man again yesterday!  <:<:<:<
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on October 15, 2012, 08:38:32 AM
Ohhh --- I get everywhere. _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 19, 2012, 06:18:29 PM
Cll Bertola has the xmas feeling,lets hope he has some coloured bulbs and not just those boring white,white,white.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 19, 2012, 06:45:40 PM
I see it as being his Swan Song - a last effort to get his name in "lights".    VV

Wrex has finally worn the old fella down!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 24, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
Has any forum member got any views on the lights,although the TC lights are bad,i still wonder WHY Parc Llandudno does nothing at all to make the Parc look festive,not one bulb,not one little tree,zilch,same with Mostyn Champneys same with Asda,its no wonder Bertola gets away with such a poor display.Of course it would be nice to get them all around a table to discuss it,but there is no interest whatsoever.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 25, 2012, 04:40:54 PM
Why don't you try and get them all round a table then?   WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 25, 2012, 07:02:06 PM
To be fair Yorkie don;t you think it should be Cll Bertola the Chairman of the decorative lighting committee who should be trying all ways to improve Llandudno at xmas,that was his answer to me 2 years ago ,you approach Parc Llandudno and let me know,i told him to get off his backside and do it himself.Just imagine if Parc Llandudno did put some lighting up,it would;nt cost the council a penny,but they cannot be bothered.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 25, 2012, 08:14:30 PM
To be fair Wrex, it should be the whole effin' council who should get off their ar ses and do something, not just BBB.  I'm still waiting for the Council to sort out an email problem that has been going on since March.  A few weeks ago they were going to get an EXPERT in to sort it.  The EXPERT arrived from Kindways I am told and was going to wave his magic wand.  Result is today the problem is worse than ever, yet my Son and others have suggested a solution which the Council and those they employed have totally ignored.

So you see I know how you feel.   

I feel sorry for those poor innocent Councillors who are not aware of what is going on but who will have to cough up out of their own pockets when action is taken and the damages are awarded   WWW

Unfortunately these so called innocents don't get involved in the Council business they just seem content to have the kudos (if any exists) by being seen as a Councillor.   And as you and I know you have to get involved or the old gang will ride rough shod over you.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 26, 2012, 08:36:28 AM
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Unfortunately these so called innocents don't get involved in the Council business they just seem content to have the kudos (if any exists) by being seen as a Councillor.

Local councils - like any locally-elected organisations - are inevitably constructs of Parkinsons' Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law) which works to ensure that, as the council grows, less and less is inevitably accomplished. On a pragmatic note, such is the disdain in which a local council is held by most people, few are willing to serve as councillors. This forum offers a way for local councillors to  communicate with at least the computer-savvy portion of the local electorate, yet - to the best of my knowledge - none has actually taken part.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 26, 2012, 09:06:26 AM
Should anyone wish to attend and see what actually goes on. The next Meeting of the Full Council will be at the Town Hall, Lloyd Street on 9th. November and should start about 7.00 p.m.   Then it will break at about 7.30 for tea and coffee and some idle chatter amongst Members, probably about me and the Three Towns Forum and Oscar.  Then the meeting will reconvene and minor discussions will be held.   At the end some Members may adjourn to the Mayor's Parlour for alcoholic refreshment (at the expense of the ratepayer).  This has included some rather exotic drinks that one would not generally find other than in an expensive cocktail bar,  in  the past including such as Glenmorangie and Drambuie.  Good taste these Councillors have, to be sure!   Z**

Still, when you're spending other peoples money it don't really matter, does it?   WWW   WWW   WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 29, 2012, 07:25:48 AM
I was in Manchester yesterday,all xmas lights are up ready to make Manchester a pleasant and festive place to go and do your xmas shopping,now i do not want to compare Llandudno to any of the big shopping cities but the concept is the same so why do our councillors insist on leaving the illuminations switched off until late November,surely the idea is the same as any other shopping center,help the buisnesses you have left ,not one councillor even gives the town center another thought and as for the so called xmas lights i will say nomore.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Llechwedd on October 29, 2012, 12:47:15 PM
Probably because we have to go through Halloween and Bonfire night yet.  The lights shouldn't go on until beginning of December it's ridiculouse that the Chitsmas season is stretched out.  Any minute niow the teddy bears will go up in the Victoria Centre.  Remind me again which Gospel are they in?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 29, 2012, 01:34:14 PM
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  Any minute now the teddy bears will go up in the Victoria Centre.  Remind me again which Gospel are they in?

A couple went into the Ark with old Noah and they just bred like teddy bears do! 
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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on October 29, 2012, 01:43:04 PM
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Probably because we have to go through Halloween and Bonfire night yet.  The lights shouldn't go on until beginning of December it's ridiculouse that the Chitsmas season is stretched out.  Any minute niow the teddy bears will go up in the Victoria Centre.  Remind me again which Gospel are they in?
I think a month before Christmas Day would a reasonable compromise, so a switch on around 25th November?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 29, 2012, 05:43:45 PM
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The lights shouldn't go on until beginning of December it's ridiculouse that the Chitsmas season is stretched out.  Any minute niow the teddy bears will go up in the Victoria Centre.  Remind me again which Gospel are they in?

Couple of points, here;  Christmas has virtually nothing to do with the Gospels or - for that matter - any religion. It's a derivation of dies solis invicti nati (“day of the birth of the unconquered sun”), a popular holiday in the Roman Empire that celebrated the winter solstice as a symbol of the resurgence of the sun, the casting away of winter and the heralding of the rebirth of spring and summer.

But the Christmas season itself - a largely secular occasion, despite what some die-hard church goers would have you believe - is essentially a brightening up of the long winter nights. Twinkling lights,  ornamented trees and decorative tinsel do a lot to lift the natural, light-deprived depression that afflicts many in the North hemisphere at this time of year. Christmas lighting should appear immediately after November 5th, IMHO.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 29, 2012, 10:05:46 PM
25th December, (Dec being the 10th month), was in Roman times the Feast of Saturnalia.

This continued into the 5th Century AD, when there became a need to celebrate the birth of Christ, and this date seemed to be the most acceptable all round.

To say that only a few die-hard church goers celebrate Christmas as a religious event is somewhat cynical, and wide of the mark.

In Schools, care-homes, families homes and elsewhere throughout the country you will find nice and decent people who will celebrate Christmas in a pleasant (and predominantly religious) way.
It may not be politically correct to do so these days, but I hope that the children of the UK will be encouraged to do just that.

Some things just need to stay special.  %0%
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 30, 2012, 08:12:39 AM
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To say that only a few die-hard church goers celebrate Christmas as a religious event is somewhat cynical, and wide of the mark

That's not quite what I said. But, since you raise the issue, let's examine the figures.

A report on "Churchgoing in the UK" published by Tearfund in April 2007 showed that 15% were attending a Church at least once a month. However, the non-affiliated NatCen social attitudes research institution reveals that  - by 2010 - the overall figure had dropped to 14% and that figures for those who purport to be C of E had halved between 1983 and 2010. Of those who do attend some church, Roman Catholics numbered 9%, Other non-conformist religions totalled 15% and the C of E had 20%.  However, broken down by age group,. the figure is even more alarming. More than two thirds of the 18 - 24 yr old age group do not belong to any religion, while among the over-65s the proportion reduces to  28%.

Thus, in a supposedly Christian country a relatively small minority actually attend church and believe in God. Now, what are the fastest growing religions?  According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year: "Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world. In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity".  This, however doesn't tell the whole story by a long way.

Christmas is an interesting issue. You may not be aware, Fester, that the majority of Christian sects don't celebrate Christmas, regarding it rather as a 'papist invention'. It took quite a while for the non-conformist religions to accept it at all (Easter has always occupied the most important date in the Christian Church calendar), so if you compare those who celebrate Christmas against those who actually believe in Christianity you reach a surprising conclusion: the majority of people in the UK celebrate Christmas as a secular event; a relatively small minority celebrate it as a religious event.

There are a number or reasons why this is so.  The fastest growing religions in the UK are Islam, Bahai, Sikhism, Jainism and Hinduism in that order. These are followed by Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology and several other small but fiercely proselytising minority sects, whose attendance figures in percentage terms outstrip those of the established church and - most importantly - who don't celebrate Christmas.  Jehovah's Witnesses ( or Witnesses, as they prefer to be known) don't allow any aspect of the festive season in their houses whatsoever. They will not allow their children to sing any Xmas songs, or even any songs which are not Christmas but have a seasonal slant - Jingle Bells, for instance.

If we look again at what I did say:  "But the Christmas season itself - a largely secular occasion, despite what some die-hard church goers would have you believe the figures confirm, the fact that it is - in fact - a largely secular occasion, which is - actually - all I was saying.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on October 30, 2012, 08:45:39 AM
Christmas is a consumerist celebration , rather than anything else. When I think of all the people I know, very few view it in any sort of religious context at all. You do get a few people who go to Church at Christmas, then ignore it the rest of the year.

What I do see is a lot of people with not much money getting themselves deeper into debt every Christmas in order to buy presents for people that they neither really want nor need, together with people getting angry and stressed in the run up to it all.

You can talk about how it's a time for families etc, but you don't need to be religious to do that.

 &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 30, 2012, 09:18:21 AM
I think Ian, you are looking at the whole Christmas thing a little too scientifically.
I would never dispute your figures, (what would be the point, you would only counter that with even more) ... but all I am saying is that  think many families and institutions keep a religious aspect to Christmas, without being actively religious themselves.

Dave, Christmas has become FAR too commercialised in recent times.. that saddens me too.
I have found myself wondering ''have I spent enough on so-and-so?'', had arguments with Mrs Fester over who we should buy for and who not... and yes, there is quite a degree of stress attached to Christmas.
Not least of which, who's family will we spend Xmas with!!   A perennial nightmare that.

However, I actually believe that it does society good to have a religious aspect to Christmas. It should be maintained and respected.
Only a curmudgeon would witness a kids nativity school play at Christmas and say that it was a wrong thing to do...
Religious or not!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 30, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
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all I am saying is that  think many families and institutions keep a religious aspect to Christmas, without being actively religious themselves.

They may well do, F, but it doesn't alter what I was saying.But when you say

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I actually believe that it does society good to have a religious aspect to Christmas.

I doubt majority of society agrees, particularly the Humanists, Jews, Hindus, Muslims. atheists, agnostics, etc. You have a warm, fuzzy memory of Christmas, F, which is delightful;  but I fear it bears little relation to reality. And I'm curious which religion you mean?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on October 30, 2012, 01:01:10 PM
Knowing Fester, I imagine its a religion that involves lots of eating and drinking...  $lol$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 30, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
I am of course referring to the Christian religion.... in any of its guises.

(Yes, lots of eating and drinking is very compatible with that I think!)  Z** VV $dins$

A warm and fuzzy memory of Christmas?  Yes I have... and I still enjoy it immensely.

What is wrong with the next generation of kids growing up believing in Jesus, Santa Claus or even the Tooth Fairy?

There is a big scary world out there, lets keep it at bay as long as we can, thats what I say!


Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 30, 2012, 06:20:40 PM
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What is wrong with the next generation of kids growing up believing in Jesus, Santa Claus or even the Tooth Fairy?

Interesting... So you feel that those three are all in the same category? Superstitions, with no basis in fact?  WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 30, 2012, 06:49:58 PM
This has gone a bit beyond me,all i want is the council to support our traders by putting some lights up and putting them ons the opposition.As for scary thinge go dowwn to the town hall there are a very scarey bunch down there.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Blongb on October 30, 2012, 09:20:55 PM
Technically we shouldn’t have a Christian celebration on the 25th of December this year because on the 21st December we experience the Precession of the Equinoxes (http://www.crystalinks.com/precession.html).  .This happens once every 2147 years.  In the past with possible exception of the start of Islam, has usually heralded a fundamental change in peoples religious beliefs, ending up with a new mass religion being created out of the remnants of the old beliefs, with Christianity being no exception. Then the fun starts, all the good intentions of the early converts to the new religion are swept away when the State decides to adopt, take over and control the new religion, for its own ends.  Believe in what you will, that’s your free choice, but please be under no illusion of where your religion comes from and where the men who control it are trying to take you.
P.S. I hope they adopt the tradition of putting up colourful lights to brighten up the celebration of the Mid-Winter Festival. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 31, 2012, 12:24:04 AM
 *&(  BlongB .... very  *&(  indeed!

I shall make it a point to start my own religion on that very day.  Assuming I can be bothered to get out of bed that is.
I am usually hibernating at that point.

Now, what graven image can I call upon you all to worship? ...... let me see....   ?{}?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 31, 2012, 08:33:04 AM
Reading Blongb's post (I've corrected your link to make it work, Blongb) was amusing, and reminded me that we're due a whole host of world-threatening, life-changing eschatologically-inspired (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology) events this December... Depending on whom you choose to believe, there's Timewave zero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon#Timewave_zero_and_the_I_Ching), an interaction between Earth and the black hole at the center of the galaxy[, or Earth's collision with an object such as an asteroid, or a planet called "Nibiru".  December 2012 is also regarded as the end-date of a 5,125-year-long cycle in the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. Various astronomical alignments and numerological formulae have been proposed as pertaining to this date, though none have been accepted by mainstream scholarship. All in all, a great time to start your own religion, Fester.  Perhaps 'Festeranity' or 'Seventh Day Festerings', 'Fester's Witnesses', with their friendly magazine, the WatchFest, or even Festerism.  Whatever, don't forget to issue Festive proclamations about street decorations at Festermas...

I* VV %0% VV I*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 31, 2012, 09:48:28 AM
Festermas  _))* very good!  We keep Xmas very cheap, same trees and decorations up every year, same lights, we put the same cards to each other up, send very few cards and just buy a few simple presents for each other. I've never understood the need to spend a fortune at Xmas and then spend months paying for it, keep it simple and stress free!  ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Llechwedd on October 31, 2012, 11:54:17 AM
I agree Merddyn.  Humbug everyone shouts.  Incidentally we all know the origin of Christ's Mass and of course the stories of the nativity come from the gospels.  It's just that those b***** teddy bears in the Victoria Centyre always bring me out in hives.  As to other religions they celebate Eid; Dirwali and Hanhukah in the autumn/winter months so why is a Christian festival so awful? 
 By the way I'm an atheist it's just those bears.  $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 31, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
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the stories of the nativity come from the gospels.

If you want to be accurate, however, it only comes from one.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 31, 2012, 12:11:03 PM
Hmm, it would seem that December 2012 would be a very bad time to start my own religion, seeing as there seems to be a lot of evidence that the world is coming to an end so soon.

It would also seem that a Teddy Bear would not be a good icon for me to adopt as the symbol of my faith.
If I did, I would immediately lose Llechwedd as a follower.  I can't risk such heresy!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on October 31, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
It's a wonder no one has yet blamed the Freemasons!  _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Blongb on October 31, 2012, 02:51:01 PM
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Hmm, it would seem that December 2012 would be a very bad time to start my own religion, seeing as there seems to be a lot of evidence that the world is coming to an end so soon.

Well Fester you can always start it in January after the end of the world.   Y^^Y
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 31, 2012, 03:24:59 PM
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I can't risk such heresy!

I think you mean 'betrayal'.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 31, 2012, 04:19:03 PM
Nope, I'm afraid I mean heresy.

In my new religion, anyone who doesn't agree with me will be deemed a heretic.

Got to start as I mean to go on.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 31, 2012, 06:25:04 PM
Festers religon would be called Aftact.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: snowcap on October 31, 2012, 08:50:35 PM
how about afnotactatall, just a thought
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Dwyforite on October 31, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
i was at the last end of the world ,if i remember it was on a sunday in mid summer in 1986,nostradamus had predicted that the world would end at 2pm,so some people must have stayed in with their familys,others went to their churches,i decided the pub was the place for me ,at 1-55pm i was all set ,i had my last pint in my hand and ready to go,at 2pm whilst i was expecting  the crack of doom,i heard a loud shout ,TIME GENTLEMEN PLEASE i was so relieved i celebrated by returning to the LINKS at 7pm     HAPPY DAYS
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 31, 2012, 11:13:36 PM
Nice one Dwyforite...  Z**

I remember that day well, and the pub was certainly the most logical place to spend the last hours on Earth.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Llechwedd on November 01, 2012, 12:22:04 PM
Oh Fester you know I'd follow you to oooh um................................... the end of the pier D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 02, 2012, 07:04:04 PM
So it seems that most people on the forum agree with the town council and there should be no xmas lights switched on until December,althought every other major shopping place will be on by now when shoppers are at their buisiest,althought we have a xmas market in town towards the end of November,its no surprise the council could;nt give a damn about making Llandudno a special place to visit at xmas when we locals let them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 05, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
Christmas lights are on along Mostyn Street.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 06, 2012, 09:17:15 PM
DaveR what you saw was the summer lights,the council have not put their xmas lights up yet,they decorate the town hall,they put up 3 trees in town and a couple of white star things on a few lamposts and that is it,so you just saw the summer lights,nice try.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 06, 2012, 09:32:54 PM
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DaveR what you saw was the summer lights,the council have not put their xmas lights up yet,they decorate the town hall,they put up 3 trees in town and a couple of white star things on a few lamposts and that is it,so you just saw the summer lights,nice try.
I didn't realise there was a much of a difference?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 06, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
In Mosty st the MAIN shopping area they make no effort at all,in the side st ,Lloyd st they go mad on the town hall,all for half an hour in Dec when santa comes along,its a waste of time trying to get them to do anything in Mostyn st because they just don;t get it or care.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 13, 2012, 07:35:20 PM
Things might seem to be sinking in with some of the councillors at last,some xmas lights have appeared on Madoc St for the Xmas fayre and are actually switched on,the light on the trees outside the libary are coloured,very small improvements BUT in the right direction,not sure if Mostyn St or Bog Island are getting any or if the town council has tried to involve Parc Llandudno in their scheme but a small glimmer of light.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 13, 2012, 11:52:18 PM
Coloured lights are up and switched on in Vaughan St, outside the Oriel Mostyn.

However, Ic an't for the life of me remember if they have been there all year?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 14, 2012, 07:36:02 AM
They are the same lights as they have in Craig y Don Fester,they are there all year round but i will forgive you as you live at the other end of town.The town council has a special agenda which says they will not help Mostyn St till all the shops have closed down and everybody goesv to Bangor shopping.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 14, 2012, 08:06:28 AM
Some illuminated motifs have appeared on the street lamps outside the Town Hall.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on November 14, 2012, 10:49:35 AM
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Coloured lights are up and switched on in Vaughan St, outside the Oriel Mostyn.

However, Ic an't for the life of me remember if they have been there all year?
Don't know about Vaughan St, buit they have been lit all year on Gloddaeth !
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 14, 2012, 08:47:01 PM
What is the difference between the Victoria Center and Parc Llandudno besides the obvious one is indoor the other out yet when it comes to xmas the Victoria center goes mad and Parc Llandudno does NOTHING.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on November 17, 2012, 10:26:27 AM
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2012/11/17/huddersfield-s-christmas-tree-put-up-then-cut-down-and-shredded-next-one-due-in-three-weeks-after-lights-switch-on-86081-32250135/ (http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2012/11/17/huddersfield-s-christmas-tree-put-up-then-cut-down-and-shredded-next-one-due-in-three-weeks-after-lights-switch-on-86081-32250135/)

You think we have trouble Wrex?--- Try this !!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 21, 2012, 09:26:24 PM
Not sure if the council have finished with their xmas lights or not,nothing on the town hall,nothing on thr Carlton roundabout.It seems as though thre Victoria center is not bothering to lght up this year either,
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 23, 2012, 09:35:02 PM
Saw this, and thought of you, Wrex:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-20471162 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-20471162)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 24, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
DaveR why do you whind me up,i had decided to give up moaning about them.Next Saturday is the BIG switch on so that still gives the town council a whole week to put the rest of the lights up,they seem to have left the town hall out,the palm trees on Carlton roundabout out,one string has been out all week (the one conected too Game) so we will have to wait and see.The big problem the town has is Cll Bertola is in charge so there is NOWAY they will improve with this man in charge,not a chance in hell.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 24, 2012, 08:55:39 AM
No problem, the Christmas tree was going up yesterday on the roundabout in Penrhyn Bay  D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 24, 2012, 10:59:52 AM
The Christmas Tree at Bog Island was being wired up yesterday morning. Is it just me or does the top of the tree appear to be missing?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 24, 2012, 11:07:11 AM
Perhaps the top is being used indoors somewhere!  VV
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 24, 2012, 12:16:43 PM
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The Christmas Tree at Bog Island was being wired up yesterday morning. Is it just me or does the top of the tree appear to be missing?

Knowing this Council, it probably exceeded the approved height for Xmas trees, or it's Jewish.   :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 24, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
There is no interest in improving the xmas lights from hoteliers,Mostyn Estates,Llandudno regeneration group and of course the town council so i have got it wrong big style,Llandudno does not need to attract any shoppers or tourists to the town over Christmas.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 24, 2012, 01:29:15 PM
I'm sorry to say Wrex, that apart from the County and Town Council, the shopkeepers, business people and even the shoppers themselves must walk round with their eyes closed to fail to notice the absolutely disgusting state of this Town.  The Main Street is degenerating into nothing better than a third rate open market with our pavements crowded with lots of cheap shoddy goods. (There are obviously some exceptions).  The secondary shopping streets are little better.

The overall situation is further compounded by the number of empty shops, fly posters, unkempt and poorly maintained shop frontages and overflowing waste bins and rubbish strewn pavements.  No one it seems has any pride in the Town anymore.

Unless something is done, very soon, the place will fall apart at the seams.   Sorry to say Wrex, but I think your words are just falling on dead ears, however, don't give up up, miracles sometimes do happen!   
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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
Xmas Lights in Bangor this afternoon:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 25, 2012, 06:49:22 PM
Maybe councillor Bertola can go on another jolly to see how other towns do xmas,although he has a free bus pass so it will not cost the council a penny,he can start with Colwyn Bay,even Abergele looks better than us ,Rhyl then of to Bangor and Caernarfon i bet they all look the part at xmas.DaveR you know how to whind me up,ive just been to see my daughter in Manchester and been around the markets and looking at their display of lights makes me cry,bless.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2012, 07:18:37 PM
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DaveR you know how to whind me up
$good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2012, 07:25:05 PM
Does this really need to be done on a Sunday?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 25, 2012, 07:40:52 PM
They are just trying to keep Wrex happy!  :laugh:  VV
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 25, 2012, 08:15:25 PM
Why put them on in normal working hours when CCBC charge the town council double time,it seems CCBC have put up all Llandudno;s lights this year( all 6 lights on the lamposts) so they (the town council) must have got rid of the firm that put up the lights on the Carlton roundabout and on the town hall ,saving themselves a few quid in the process,im sure they are chuffed with the savings to the taxpayers of Llandudno,as for those of us who would like to see improvements and pride in Llandudno,tougth,go live somewhere else we are the elected and we will tell you if the people of this town deserve lights or not.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2012, 08:33:06 PM
That firm used to rent the xmas decorations to the Town Council, they weren't cheap either!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 26, 2012, 07:25:05 AM
Sorry i have got it wrong,it is still a private firm putting up the lights and they have not finished putting them up,so we have to wait for the big switch on next month.With less than a month to go to xmas most people have done their xmas shopping,so is it to late or are people happy that Llandudno is the last shopping center in Britain too switch on?. :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 27, 2012, 06:40:16 PM
Will somebody tell me what they think of the xmas tree outside the Esplanade hotel,is it me or do they really think its the bees nees,i do wonder who is running that place.Has the owner never been into Homebase and seen what you can buy for exterior trees.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 27, 2012, 06:57:33 PM
Xmas tree outside Clarence is lit up, as is Carlton roundabout and the blue icicle lights on Bog Island toilets. Bog island Xmas tree wasn't on though.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 28, 2012, 07:27:16 AM
It baffles me ,why did the Esplanade bother buying a xmas tree then put two small strings of lights on it,one coloured and one white
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Paulakelsall on November 28, 2012, 09:09:56 PM
Maybe we should have campaigned for the Coca-cola Christmas Truck to visit Llandudno (or would the Council object???)

http://blog.cokezone.co.uk/christmas/truck-tour/ (http://blog.cokezone.co.uk/christmas/truck-tour/)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 28, 2012, 11:13:25 PM
That truck rolled into the car park of Morrisons Supermarket in Bradford one year when I was there.

I was taken aback, it is an awesome sight.  What a great job to drive that thing!  VV <:<:<:< ^^^^
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: snowcap on November 28, 2012, 11:48:54 PM
your right fester it is an awesome sight, i was lucky enough to see it in Liverpool last Xmas, they were giving out free samples of cola
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 29, 2012, 12:06:10 PM
Frreebies,now that is music to the councillors ears,they LOVE freebies,i never thought of useing frreebies as a incentive to get the council to put some decent lights up,i have 10 months to work on it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on November 29, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
What are you going to offer as freebies Wrex?
I see that the kids are getting sweeties on Saturday from the daffodil folk !!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 29, 2012, 04:30:23 PM
With the success of the Daffodil people maybe we can get them to help with xmas lights,not qute the same bulbs but how can we all go mad over this but just IGNORE Christmas,
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 29, 2012, 11:49:43 PM
Gloddaeth St looked very festive tonight, the lights strung along the street were plentiful. and the tree outside the Clarence was beautifully lit.

However, other than that little area, one has to agree with Wrex, Llandudno's Xmas lights are in general very poor indeed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on November 30, 2012, 08:36:56 AM
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With the success of the Daffodil people maybe we can get them to help with xmas lights,not qute the same bulbs but how can we all go mad over this but just IGNORE Christmas,

Is this a new version of " A dog is for life, not just for Christmas"--- Think about it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on December 01, 2012, 08:55:22 AM
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/12/01/festive-row-over-christmas-lights-in-llangefni-55578-32341125/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/12/01/festive-row-over-christmas-lights-in-llangefni-55578-32341125/)

Oops !
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on December 06, 2012, 11:29:24 AM
Just a small part of the Queensgate market in Huddersfield's offering for Christmas.
Sadly Santa was having his lunch, but the family had a word with the reindeer.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 07, 2012, 10:44:26 PM
Walk down Mostyn st and count the redundant blue lamposts,i think you will find around 15,now if each of those had a illumination hanging from them as in Madoc st ,what a difference that would make to Mostyn st,especially the the part frrom bog island too Marks which only has some white lightsin the church,but dont tell the council i suggested it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 08, 2012, 07:26:10 AM
Every other town in the area puts Llandudno to shame!   WWW   :rage:    $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 17, 2012, 08:59:20 AM
On the first day of xmas the town council gave to me anew big xmas tree(for bog island),on the seconnd day of xmac TC gave to me a real plan for the pier pavilion,on the third day of xmas they actually delivered a new sparkling station,on the fourth day of xmas the TCgave to me a xmas parade to be proud of,on the fifth day of xmas the TC gave to me,5 xmas lights(for Mostyn st),on the sixth day of xmas the TC gave to me aTramshelter starting date,on the seventh day of Xmas the TC gave to me a full working waterfall(happy valley),on the eight day of xmas the TC gave to me the planning cosent to continue the Clarence hotel,on the ninth day of xmas the TC gave to me a town full of Daffodils ,on the tenth day of xmas the TC gave to me Tudno Castle clean up whoppeee,on the eleventh day of xmas the TC gave to me two new wooden jetties and on the twelth day of xmas the TC gave to me and Yorkie a massive two fingers salute.MERRY XMAS,NADDOLIG LLAWEN.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2012, 09:12:26 AM
 :laugh:

 $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 20, 2012, 11:56:23 AM
Today's NWWN.

Times Past

"Paula and Jane at the switching on of the Christmas lights in Llandudno in 1967."

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: white rabbit on December 20, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
That's more as it should be! :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 24, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
We visited Chester last Friday for the Christmas Fair outside the Town Hall. Have to say that the Christmas lights were every disappointing there in my view, just row after row of plain white 'curtains' and all a bit dull. Chester, itself, was very busy though.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on November 25, 2013, 08:07:36 AM
Very similar to Regent Street's, in style. I suspect bulk-buying and the ubiquitous LEDs are prime causes of less interesting displays.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 02, 2013, 08:29:02 AM
I don;t know if Llandudno council have been asked to do Colwyn bays lights this year because they are EVEN worse than our effort,no colour just white twiggs on a lampost,bizarr.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on December 02, 2013, 08:43:37 AM
Drove through Deganwy, Conwy and Gyffin yesterday. New looking lights on the lamp posts, but some were on, some were off and some were feebly flashing  (!) on and off--- and this was mid morning.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 03, 2013, 05:17:51 PM
Well all the lights are on now,shame they were;nt on Saturday,they must have caved into the pressure from facebook,this forum and Oscar,nice one.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 04, 2013, 09:01:56 AM
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Well all the lights are on now,shame they were;nt on Saturday,they must have caved into the pressure from facebook,this forum and Oscar,nice one.

It must seem as though Xmas has come early for you this year, Wrex! $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 04, 2013, 08:10:26 PM
They do it every year now Yorkie,as soon as all the local facebook and forums start then they cave in,but not until.Crazy situation,why can;t they do common sense.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 12, 2013, 06:05:59 PM
Two of the few xmas illuminations that the town council put up have been out for a week now,one outside the town hall and the only one they put up in Mostyn st outside Holy Trinity,u will not have noticed it because it is white and in between lots of white lights iiin the church trees,anyway their out lets see how much longer they stay OUT.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Tosh on December 12, 2013, 06:58:33 PM
In 2005 we put up about  200 coloured bulbs outside the Chatsworth House, there were equal amounts of blue, white, red etc.
When we switched on none of the pesky blue ones worked and we had to take them all down again to replace them.

  $angry$ $angry$ $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 13, 2013, 09:21:41 AM
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Two of the few xmas illuminations that the town council put up have been out for a week now,one outside the town hall and the only one they put up in Mostyn st outside Holy Trinity,u will not have noticed it because it is white and in between lots of white lights iiin the church trees,anyway their out lets see how much longer they stay OUT.

There is a place going for a co-opted Member to sit on the Decorative Lighting Committee. Why don't you grab the chance and air your grievances in the centre of power?     ;D
I am sure you will be welcomed with open arms. ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 13, 2013, 04:24:11 PM
I was invited last year Yorkie,if i did no good while i was on the council and after putting my views to every cll by letter and still no good,the thought of them trying to shut me up by joining them,no thanks,anyway 4 in the afternoon is no time to have a meeting.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 30, 2013, 06:44:32 PM
Looks like CCBC ARE STOPPING THE TOWN COUNCIL FROM PUTTING LIGHTS IN Mostyn st.All the lights that have been put up in Madoc st are paid for by the local buisnesses,but they where stopped from putting them on the victorian lamposts by CCBC officer for conservation,apparently the xmas light motiffs might damage the lamposts,time our county clls stood up and supported the town council for once.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 30, 2013, 07:35:00 PM
Are those the same victorian lamp posts that have been abandoned by the Council for the last 30 years?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 30, 2013, 11:31:19 PM
They did paint them blue,but too put a xmas motiff on them may damage them,this is according too Cll Bertola, so it might need clarification.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 31, 2013, 08:49:09 AM
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They did paint them blue,but too put a xmas motiff on them may damage them,this is according too Cll Bertola, so it might need clarification.

You would get more sense out of a lamp post!    _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 31, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
Great news,Cll Bertola can get every lampost sponsored from the Links Hotel too the Tudno Castle hotel,if CCBC won;t allow lights for xmas in Mostyn st then lets make the approach magnificent,he has at least 35 buisnesses on Parc Llandudno ,Asda and Mostyn Champneys to try,lets not be defeated by CCBC and the tight ass landlords of Parc Llandudno and Mostyn Champneys,im sure Debenhams would love to sponsor 1 or 2 of the lanmposts on Conwy Road,sorted.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on January 04, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
No support ,no point.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on January 04, 2014, 01:35:02 PM
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No support ,no point.

How dramatically things change in just 80 short hours!  We haven't even got to twelfth night yet!

Don't give up hope yet, Wrex.  There are plenty of folk out there in the Town who will lend their support.   Maybe a petition started now, whilst the memory of the Xmas 2013 lights are still in their memory, will generate sufficient support to make the effort worthwhile.  With a decent number of signatories both Councils will have to take notice.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on January 04, 2014, 05:13:08 PM
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No support ,no point.

Hey Wrex, I think we all support the cause, but I for one don't really know what we can do about it.

You see I know that cash is short, and some basic council services are under pressure at the moment.
I would like to see much more effort on the Xmas lights and Xmas celebrations, and I would also like to see the recycling and street cleaning improved.
Am I confusing the responsibilities of the Town Council and the County council?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 24, 2014, 06:14:35 PM
Iwatched a programme the other night about a little village in Cornwall that lights up it beach and small harbour every xmas and attracts thousands,with a little imagination we too could pull this off,but there lies the problem.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: SteveH on August 24, 2014, 06:28:43 PM
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Iwatched a programme the other night about a little village in Cornwall that lights up it beach and small harbour every xmas and attracts thousands,with a little imagination we too could pull this off,but there lies the problem.

You said it     " a little imagination"    Ref. CCBC     $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 24, 2014, 08:47:58 PM
Don;t be suprised if CCBC don;t spend thousands on Colwyns lights
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 25, 2014, 06:33:00 AM
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Don;t be suprised if CCBC don;t spend thousands on Colwyns lights

Our old chestnut has started roasting, cummon Wrex, GO,GO,GO!    We're with you all the way.    ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on August 25, 2014, 07:52:22 AM
Quote
Iwatched a programme the other night about a little village in Cornwall that lights up it beach and small harbour every xmas and attracts thousands,with a little imagination we too could pull this off,but there lies the problem.


It's called Mousehole and they do some very nice lights at Xmas. Curiously, they're also extremely simple and wouldn't cost that much to implement.

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Just takes a little imagination...

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Wonder if the shopkeepers might be persuaded to contribute? And I'm sure Rotary, Lions or Round Table would provide volunteers to help put them up.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on August 25, 2014, 10:11:34 AM
Trouble is that the lights on Gloddaeth Street have been lit all year, so no one notices the difference-- apart from the odd spray of stars !
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on August 25, 2014, 10:56:27 AM
Like we vsay Nem no imagination and no will to bother.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 25, 2014, 11:38:09 AM
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Wonder if the shopkeepers might be persuaded to contribute? And I'm sure Rotary, Lions or Round Table would provide volunteers to help put them up.

What?  And take jobsaway from the highly qualified Council employees?   :D

What about, Risk Assessment and Insurance and. . . And . . . And. . .it is CCBC we are having to deal with!   WWW  WWW  WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: SteveH on August 25, 2014, 11:58:53 AM
I was thinking in these council cash strapped times, it will be the shops and hotels who would benefit the most, so they should get together and work it out.
The possabilities for Llandudno are endless, if done right, the increase in visitors, not only improves the towns Xmas income, but acts like advertising for future visits.
check these out, I was looking to see how other towns dealt with this problem, after seeing Ians and Wrex's Mousehole post.

http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2013/nov/29/best-christmas-lights-around-uk (http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2013/nov/29/best-christmas-lights-around-uk)

http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Yuletide-illuminations-light-way-huge-dividends/story-13862550-detail/story.html (http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Yuletide-illuminations-light-way-huge-dividends/story-13862550-detail/story.html)

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 25, 2014, 03:27:25 PM
There are plenty of examples all over the Country as to what can be done.  It is just the utter reluctance of the Town and County Council to do it! WWW

A fe years ago we had an excellent range of different display sets but for some unknown reason they disappeared.  Then the Town Council made a complete cock up of an Alice based theme which cost us thousands and again the sets disappeared.  That's the effectiveness of the Town's Special Lighting Committee.  Not a spark amongst any of them.   WWW  :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on August 25, 2014, 04:04:28 PM
The really interesting thing is the MouseHole lights aren't even that expensive to do.  They take time, of course, but there are many would would gladly give their time. Under qualified supervision, there should be no problem with H & S but what is needed is ambition, a bit of planning to get an overall concept in place and some enthusiasm from the councillors.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on August 25, 2014, 04:21:10 PM
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. . . . .  but what is needed is ambition, a bit of planning to get an overall concept in place and some enthusiasm from the councillors.

Your last line says it all!  There is some enthusiasm in the Town Hall as Wrex and I know, but very little grey matter with the capacity to carry it out.   Too many old timers on the Town Council.  Old bodies with old fashioned and outdated ideas, an an incapacity to allow the youngsters a chance to demonstrate their worth.
 WWW  WWW  WWW  WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: SteveH on August 25, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
I have posted a link on the " Extravaganza " which I will duplicate here again, please read in conjunction with the above links.

http://www.enjoytruro.co.uk/about (http://www.enjoytruro.co.uk/about)

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on September 12, 2014, 11:11:15 AM
Taken last weekend in Bracknall. Wrex where are you ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on September 15, 2014, 02:55:28 AM
I have been to Victoria ,Vancouver Island and what a nice display of flowers they have,in the harbour there is a nice welcome to Victoria same ar the happy Valley,unlike CCBC THEY STILL FILL IT WITH FLOWERS,JUST REMEMBER ccbc MADE A BIG FUSS ABOUT THE WINDFARM MONEY THEY HAVE SPENT ON THE END OF THE PIER to attract NEW arrivals,they showed no thoughts to our flower displays and the one and only boat could,nt dock anyway.Flowers or Christmas decks until we get somebody on the town council who has one bit of enthusiaem for Llandudno and is a good speaker this town has no chance to progress ,just plod on.Just remember Llandudno is still busy we all see it and that is the problem ,Lloyd st see;s that to and there is no drive to improve,filling our hotels should be priority to keep the local economy going.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: SteveH on September 15, 2014, 10:51:05 AM
Sorry, just a reminder.  ;)

http://www.truro.gov.uk/The-Council/Business-Improvement-District.aspx (http://www.truro.gov.uk/The-Council/Business-Improvement-District.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on September 15, 2014, 10:52:58 AM
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I have been to Victoria ,Vancouver Island and what a nice display of flowers they have,in the harbour there is a nice welcome to Victoria same ar the happy Valley,unlike CCBC THEY STILL FILL IT WITH FLOWERS,JUST REMEMBER ccbc MADE A BIG FUSS ABOUT THE WINDFARM MONEY THEY HAVE SPENT ON THE END OF THE PIER to attract NEW arrivals,they showed no thoughts to our flower displays and the one and only boat could,nt dock anyway.Flowers or Christmas decks until we get somebody on the town council who has one bit of enthusiaem for Llandudno and is a good speaker this town has no chance to progress ,just plod on.Just remember Llandudno is still busy we all see it and that is the problem ,Lloyd st see;s that to and there is no drive to improve,filling our hotels should be priority to keep the local economy going.
You're right, Wrex. Part of the problem I think stems from people who haven't travelled outside of the area very much, and don't realise how other resorts in both UK and abroad etc can do things so much better than we do.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: SteveH on September 15, 2014, 01:40:47 PM
I looked on Google, "funding Xmas lights" a lot of councils are cutting back or withdrawing funds all together, and it looks like it is down to the business community to take up the reins, but it has to be of benefit to them, Eastbourne came up with an interesting incentive package

"For most towns, raising funding for Christmas Lights is a perennial problem. The usual scenario is that the few fund for the many and with growing pressures on budgets it is becoming increasingly difficult to persuade businesses to give cash for Christmas Lights."

 https://www.atcm.org/policy_practice/places_dir/funding_christmas_lights_eastbourne (https://www.atcm.org/policy_practice/places_dir/funding_christmas_lights_eastbourne)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: SteveH on September 15, 2014, 02:21:19 PM
You will never guess what I did next, (think I'll go buy an anorak) I looked on Google "Funding town gardens" what a surprise.
Maybe we are not in the same position, but it does bring up "funding" and I don't think we (council) are aware of the possibilities available to the area.

"Spring heralds a transformation for the Town Centre Gardens in Stevenage with today’s announcement of £1.7million in Lottery funding."


To many to link, just Google "funding town gardens"
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on September 17, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
"Llandudno prepares to switch on this years illuminations. A windmill made of lights has been erected on the roundabout of Mostyn Street and North Parade, Clwyd. 16th September 1975"

http://vintagephotosonline.co.uk/product/art-prints/82318/llandudno-illuminations-1975 (http://vintagephotosonline.co.uk/product/art-prints/82318/llandudno-illuminations-1975)
Title: Christmas lights in Llandudno
Post by: garth on October 11, 2014, 04:03:05 PM
Can anyone tell me when the Christmas lights in the town are erected/switched on.Thanks.
Title: Re: Christmas lights in Llandudno
Post by: Yorkie on October 11, 2014, 05:25:37 PM
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Can anyone tell me when the Christmas lights in the town are erected/switched on.Thanks.

The biggest guessing game in the whole of Wales!   _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: snowcap on October 11, 2014, 09:40:23 PM
someone trying to get Wrex started?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 12, 2014, 07:44:09 AM
omg im on one now,it might be december,it might be november,as far as i know Mr Robbins has promised something new and of course we have lost the hospice tree on bogisland so they are looking for a new site,suggestions welcome.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on October 12, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
Hmmm,  Wrex, Mr Robbins also promised that he would sort out the Pier Pavilion issue during his tenure as Mayor.

So, I won't get over excited about what might emerge in terms of Xmas lights.   &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 13, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
out of them all,Greg does seem to be interested,as for the p p know one has ever been able to show any interest.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 17, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
Apparently the lights might go up this week,so they may be on for xmas.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 17, 2014, 06:13:41 PM
Ithink they r waiting for the xmas fair to end before switching them on and everybody has done their xmas shopping.Not sure if we have a new light this year,i can;t wait to see
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 18, 2014, 10:01:09 AM
The Christmas lights in Craig Y Don are on already, well the ones that are working are anyway.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on November 18, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
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Apparently the lights might go up this week,so they may be on for xmas.

Are they going to light BOTH BULBS this year?    _))* _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 18, 2014, 05:06:43 PM
I hold my hands up,they have put Madoc ST on for the fair,as for DaveR trying to makeout the summer lights are xmas lights,nice try or wind me up
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: SteveH on November 18, 2014, 05:36:58 PM
On December 6 there will be a Christmas Parade in Llandudno with the light switch on outside the Town Hall.

Events starts at 2.45pm and Father Christmas will arrive by train with the parade leaving the station at 4pm.


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/christmas-lights-switch-events-conwy-8119951 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/christmas-lights-switch-events-conwy-8119951) 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 21, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
 WWW Bog Island xmas tree has not appeared yet,could it be cut backs
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 21, 2014, 06:04:01 PM
The town council claim they are not allowed to put xmas decorations on the defunked lamps in Moatyn st because CCBC WILL NOT ALLOW,GET SOME BALLS AND TELL CCBC TO DO ONE.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 25, 2014, 08:28:32 PM
Lights look good on Carlton roundabout
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2014, 08:44:33 PM
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The town council claim they are not allowed to put xmas decorations on the defunked lamps in Moatyn st because CCBC WILL NOT ALLOW,GET SOME BALLS AND TELL CCBC TO DO ONE.
That;s right, the Victorian street lamps are not considered strong enough to bear the weight. How about CCBC refurbish them and bring them back into use instead of the ancient 1970s floodlights now used to light Mostyn Street?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on November 25, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
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Lights look good on Carlton roundabout

They were busy fitting them last night at about 10.15 p.m. They look lovely.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 25, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
DavR those lights on the lamposts in Lloyd st can;t be that heavy for the victorian one;s,just an excuse
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 26, 2014, 09:25:26 AM
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DavR those lights on the lamposts in Lloyd st can;t be that heavy for the victorian one;s,just an excuse
That's a good point. Personally, I'd like to see all the cantenaries that require so much maintenance/testing removed and instead have displays on every lamp post, tree etc along Mostyn Street.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 26, 2014, 05:28:06 PM
omg please don;t go on the council
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 29, 2014, 05:51:13 PM
This is my very last post on this subject,i have moaned,written and spoken to council over the last 15 years and still this town is a disgrace for a major shopping destination,i have just been to watch Llandudno fc playing in Denbigh and that small town puts ours to shame,even St Asaph looked good,i realise that Llandudno will still be here when i  am dead and buried i just pray my grandchildren get a better deal,i am too tired to waste my time anymore with the ignorant town council . 
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on November 29, 2014, 07:54:19 PM
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,i realise that Llandudno will still be here when i  am dead and buried

... any idea when that is going to be Wrex?   It's just that I've been saving up to have our main bedroom decorated!
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 30, 2014, 05:11:51 PM
Just been through town and I see that the two Christmas trees are in darkness. Why is this, the ones in Conwy and Deganwy were all lit  and looked great.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on November 30, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
Are they waiting for the big 'turn on' next Saturday.?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 08, 2014, 05:16:28 PM
Saw these giant baubles at Covent Garden, looked wonderful.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Jonty Hammers on December 08, 2014, 05:38:31 PM
Ought to ask (and it is completely out of ignorance on my part) what more can the Town Council's Christmas Lights Committee do?

Please note - I don't ask that to defend them - I'm genuinely interested. Prior to my actually logging in and setting up an account on the forum, I noted wrex's frustration with the illuminations (or lack thereof) for some time, and it seems to be a hell of a recurring problem.

What annoys me even moreso is that for all the allegations that the case is thus, the members of the Town Council aren't idiots. They live in the town, or at the very least would visit it on a regular basis. They're probably aware of the poor showing in terms of lights, but for whatever reason (maybe they've just come to accept what they get), things don't improve massively.

Do they rely on being able to pass off the all-year-round illuminations as contributing towards the Christmas offering? Do they think they can put in some, while traders and businesses will then fill up whatever gaps are left? After all, Victoria Center looks good and that (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't hit the Town Council purse.

I appreciate the importance of this - after all, as many people have pointed out, Llandudno is an important trading town AND a tourist attraction; one which is increasingly painting itself as not just the place for summery seaside fun, but a place which offers attractions throughout the year. And given the fact that coastal weather is hardly pleasing from about October to April, it needs to have another feather in its cap to draw people in - a good load of Christmas lights would help go towards that.

By that same token, I appreciate that Llandudno is not a city and does not have access to the same set of public funds as a city; nor is it having to punch in the same retail "weight category" as places such as Chester or Manchester. AND maybe the town councillors just rely on the knowledge that given that Llandudno has so many shops, in some way, lights be damned - people will come in anyway as they will want to spend at the major high-street chains such as HMV, Waterstones etc; the major offerings at places like Parc Llandudno, Mostyn Champneys and Asda AND the gamut of independent stores. As such, might they be thinking "No need to bother - we'll get footfall either way"?

Do they also pour some cash (or organise) the Christmas parade as well? Is that thought of as being a draw, which ought to be prioritised over and above the lights where spending is concerned?

Quite happy to have this explained to me as though I were a six-year-old - as always, I guess there's more going on than what's immediately on the surface.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 08, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
 What more could they do.,if the desire too improve was there they could call a meeting between Mostyn estates,Parc Llandudno, Asda ,Development lot and Mostyn Champneys too see if they could come up with a plan especially for that end of town which is defuncted of any xmas items whatsoever.A few motifs on lamposts a bigger tree on bog island visable from Conwy rd,lights on the trees on bog island like the Junction roundabout,all these things are viable,but it takes a bit of effort,time and devotion which none have.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 08, 2014, 09:17:44 PM
Sorry i promised too not post again,damn _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 09, 2014, 09:20:50 AM
Jonty, I think it's maybe a case of people remember how great the Xmas lights were back in the 70s and would like to see those days back again. What frustrates Wrex is the seeming lack of enthusiasm from the TC to really up their game with regards to the Xmas lights. Even if they didn't have the money to hand, they could at least show some ambition and try to get the townspeople involved more.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Fester on December 09, 2014, 05:07:54 PM
The Town Council have LOTS of meetings, and often have SPECIAL meetings, outside the regular schedule.

I know this because a Town Councillor is on my darts team, but usually has ''important council business'' which prevents him playing most weeks.     It all sounds very high-brow and hush-hush.   But nothing ever seems to emerge from it.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Jonty Hammers on December 09, 2014, 05:37:16 PM
To Wrex - sorry to bring you back in the fold over this! But you're right that public and business feeling on this could be harnessed a little better.

To DaveR - Unfortunately, such illuminations were before my time! Llandudno seems to have had something of a heyday which I missed by a smidgen, but under such circumstances, I can understand why those who remember would be miffed. Do you think there's any visible reason to which said decline might be attributed? What was it which kicked off that decline in ambition and drive on the part of Town Councillors? Naturally, a lot has happened in Llandudno before I came in to the world (late 80s) and given that much of it would have gone on quietly or behind the scenes, I feel a bit ignorant as to what the prevailing mood or consensus is, having only really wised up to goings-on in the town in the past ten years or so.

To Fester - off-the-books "special" meetings can be quite the enigma. Luckily, I don't think town councils are as susceptible to it as the county councils; after all, the bigger authorities have the machinations of officers and departmental cabinet members/"lead members" to deal with, while (to the best of my knowledge) the administration of town councils consists only of small groups of clerks, rather than technocrats with situations to "maintain" or huge spending briefs to tackle.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on December 10, 2014, 09:57:44 AM
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What was it which kicked off that decline in ambition and drive on the part of Town Councillors?

Thinking about that the easy (and glib) answer is because they've aged.  Many have been on the TC for years, but inertia in Llandudno ensures there's never a huge number of prospective candidates putting their names forward so those in what can loosely be described as 'power' simply fall asleep at the wheel. More especially, to most of them 'it's all been done before' so they reject novel concepts out of hand and things continue in their largely comfortable and generally unfulfilling rut.

We've been saying for years that we want a younger TC (by 'younger' I'm resisting the temptation to say 'still breathing unaided') but you'd need a concerted effort to mount a credible assault on the incumbents. Once they're on, of course, the younger members realise there's no real power in the TC so go for the CBC. Then, often disillusioned, they move on.

Jonty's point is well taken, though; they're not idiots - well, not all of them, anyway - but they are generally older (which reflects the population demographic) and many have become...accustomed to the job and don't want to do anything which might be construed as 'rocking the boat'. In fact, I think Jonty hammered the nail firmly home when he said "maybe they've just come to accept what they get".

Viewing the list of TCs on the Llandudno website it's quite striking how many have been on the TC since before the internet was invented. Some were even born before indoor toilets became the norm.  And that age imbalance might help to explain why younger members find it very difficult to change things. Margaret Lyon, for instance, started the Extravaganza in 1987 - some 27 years ago - and that was a great initiative, which still resonates with the town today. But the TC are often  blocked at every turn by the delightful CCBC. There have been numerous occasions on which the LTC have proposed or given their backing to things, only to have CCBC turn the whole idea into a Victorian melodrama.  The saga of the tram shelter at West shore is merely the latest in a string of such proposals.

 

Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 10, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
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To DaveR - Unfortunately, such illuminations were before my time! Llandudno seems to have had something of a heyday which I missed by a smidgen, but under such circumstances, I can understand why those who remember would be miffed. Do you think there's any visible reason to which said decline might be attributed? What was it which kicked off that decline in ambition and drive on the part of Town Councillors? Naturally, a lot has happened in Llandudno before I came in to the world (late 80s) and given that much of it would have gone on quietly or behind the scenes, I feel a bit ignorant as to what the prevailing mood or consensus is, having only really wised up to goings-on in the town in the past ten years or so.

As with so many things in Llandudno, it was the demise of Aberconwy Borough Council that was the problem. Its replacement by Conwy County Council meant that the focus on Llandudno was completely lost, with a revived Llandudno Town Council being passed responsibility for things like Christmas Lights, but sadly the TC has little money or power to do anything other than a token effort.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 10, 2014, 04:21:58 PM
Here is a big token get every one around the table and disscuss the whole town from the Links to the Empire,cost nothing,may achieve may not.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 12, 2014, 05:17:39 PM
BLACK BOG ISLAND ,MERRY BLACK XMAS
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on December 13, 2014, 08:54:43 AM
The tree outside Wetherspoons has gone----------it was leaning at a strange angle on Weds, but had disappeared last night.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 14, 2014, 06:42:57 PM
It will be interesting to see if the town council replace it or think stuff it and leave it vacant,watch that space.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on December 15, 2014, 07:50:10 AM
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It will be interesting to see if the town council replace it or think stuff it

A stuffed tree, eh? Dead, inanimate and propped up, merely looking as though it were still alive. While we're talking about the council...
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Nemesis on December 15, 2014, 08:40:32 AM
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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 15, 2014, 08:41:59 AM
 L0L L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on December 15, 2014, 09:08:53 AM
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It will be interesting to see if the town council replace it or think stuff it and leave it vacant,watch that space.
I don't think I've ever seen the Council plant any new trees on roadsides in the County; a shame as they add so much to the streetscape.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: SDQ on December 15, 2014, 10:47:33 AM
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It will be interesting to see if the town council replace it or think stuff it and leave it vacant,watch that space.
I don't think I've ever seen the Council plant any new trees on roadsides in the County; a shame as they add so much to the streetscape.


I think it's so they don't have the problems of maintainance and upkeep of them once they've grown, thus saving money for other resources.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on December 15, 2014, 05:18:38 PM
I wonder if they're better at large scale projects?

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Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Cambrian on December 15, 2014, 06:31:13 PM
They planted two on the grass plot by Queen Elizabeth Court and have also planted some down the drive to the Civic Offices in Colwyn Bay which probably replaced some which had been vandalised or died.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 15, 2014, 10:12:45 PM
 The town council must be struggling to get another tree as there is still a big gap on Gloddaeth st
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on December 16, 2014, 07:18:07 AM
Surely they have a branch which deals with trees? If not, I imagine a quick trunk call to Denbigh could procure one.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 16, 2014, 07:59:12 AM
Not worth pining and getting the needle about it, just have to get to the root of the problem!    _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Barney Baker on December 16, 2014, 08:27:15 AM
haven't any you twigged yet the council are barking mad :o L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on December 18, 2014, 04:26:23 PM
Are there not two trees outside the town hall,as bone has broken in Gloddaeth st should they not put one there as it looks like they have NO intension of replacing the damaged tree.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Yorkie on December 26, 2014, 06:52:26 PM
Well, Wrex, you cannot complain about the Council now!  There are 364 days until next Xmas and already they have the lights up!

Happy Christmas!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on October 25, 2015, 07:33:21 PM
I wonder if the town council have any plans for this years xmas spectacular light show,you know if a little effort was put in it would bring people in,
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Ian on October 25, 2015, 07:53:13 PM
We can only hope...
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Barney Baker on October 25, 2015, 11:28:27 PM
they have been on Madoc Street this last week sorting the lights, but no doubt we will still be stuck will the old lights on mostyn street and all the councillors can still pat themselves on the back for doing F*@K ALL only saying
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 01, 2015, 12:34:36 PM
I wonder if there will be a massive tree on bog island this year a big tree should be supplied by Mostyn estates then the council only need find a few lights,ha dream on
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 03, 2015, 07:06:54 AM
To all forum members enjoy your xmas shopping trips to England,i was in liverpool last week and they where getting everything ready,i think Manchester is gearing up too,i don;t think Llandudno has even book a brass band let alone lights and well done Colwyn Bay for securing the Coca cola juggernaut,omg i just thought,maybe CCBC did that for Colwyn,i wonder.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: FatAndy on November 03, 2015, 06:16:34 PM
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omg i just thought,maybe CCBC did that for Colwyn,i wonder.

I assume they must have to be consulted if only to organise the logistics.  If they were instrumental in convincing Coca Cola to come then congratulations to them.  Between the rally this weekend and the Coca Cola truck in a couple of weeks a lot of local businesses are likely to get a bit of a boost out of season which no-one can complain about  D).
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 05, 2015, 05:05:43 PM
Whopeeee i was right it is CCBC events team who have paid for it,lucky Colwyn
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: FatAndy on November 05, 2015, 05:57:11 PM
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Whopeeee i was right it is CCBC events team who have paid for it,lucky Colwyn

I'm surprised there's any money left in the pot after they'd paid to bring the rally to Llandudno but well done on them spreading the cheer around the county.  Let's hope there's a few crumbs left for places like Penmaenmawr, Llanfairfechan, Llanrwst and Towyn that always seem to get overlooked in favour of one town in particular.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 10, 2015, 07:02:27 AM
Do you think Fatandy means the parking meters on the prom or the elactric parking signs they are putting up around town,opps sorry they scrapped that,um Colwyn has had a theater re -vamp,a pool make-over and god knows how many times Station rd has been dug up and re-modelled,im confused at who has had all the attention,can  anyone help.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 10, 2015, 07:26:17 AM
Hi Wrex, i don;t think there are any crumbs left for anybody after spending on Colwyn prom and Parc Erias and thats where the electric signs have gone,omg i not sure which one town Andy is on about but Bryn Williams has;nt got a restaurant in my town.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: Daihardwelshman on November 10, 2015, 08:31:15 AM
Why all the jealousy on where the money is being spent???? I live in Rhos on sea and work in Llandudno, i dont care where the money is spent as long as the Borough council are spending it for the good of the borough.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: DaveR on November 10, 2015, 08:42:17 AM
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I'm surprised there's any money left in the pot after they'd paid to bring the rally to Llandudno
How much did CCBC pay to bring the Rally to Llandudno?
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 11, 2015, 05:04:48 PM
It was in erias last year,i don;t know what went wrong.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 13, 2015, 07:16:24 AM
Jealous guy only wants the best for Llandudno unlike our town council,i don;t think they have put ONE extra light up this year,but who gives a flip.Now what we  need next year is a massive xmas tree on bogisland like Norman said,we need to get it in aid of St Davids to make sure it gets done then im sure it could be paid for by Mostyn estates and of course sponsor a light.
Title: Re: Llandudno Christmas Illuminations
Post by: wrex on November 17, 2015, 07:02:05 AM
Can;t believe the mayor had the cheek to turn up to the big switch on at the Carlton considering the rubbish he and hie fellow councillors give us,hope they had some champagne for them.