Three Towns Forum
The Local => Genealogy & Research => Topic started by: Mrs Suckersby on March 22, 2023, 12:49:19 pm
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Anyone know where Almira, is or was on Lloyd Street please.
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Sorry but I can't help you with this, over the years the buildings have changed and possibly the names of the houses too. In the Conwy Archives they do have address books for Llandudno covering a number of years from 1911 to about 1963 and they list every house in Llandudno, perhaps they can give you the information you are looking for.
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As Hugo has said the house names changed so much over the years. I have looked on the 1881 1901 & 1911 Census but they only gave the house names no numbers & Almira didn't come up. On the 1939 Register it came up & either side was Madryn & Ashford, the Parry family lived there at that time. There are a few newspaper articles in the Archived North Wales Weekly News of the Parry family, but no house number.
A lot of the large houses on Lloyd Street were pulled down & flats built, so it could be that it doesn't exist anymore.
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Thank you Hugo and Meleri, your information has been very helpful, this can now give me a way forward. My Father lived at Cadnant, opposite Lloyd Street School in the 1930?s and it?s connected to this Almira query.
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That's a really good find Meleri and it pinpoints exactly where Almira was but unfortunately all three house names seem to have gone and been replaced with house numbers
The address books in Conwy Archives may give more details and from memory they have one for 1939 and one for about 1962 If you wish, I'll gladly go to the Archives and have a look for you as there is something else I need to see there
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Almira was probably 55 Lloyd Street but named "Penrhos" latterly. Demolished, as Meleri, said for a Housing Association development about 30 years ago.
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Thank you Cambrian for the information. Thank you too Hugo, I am interested in knowing who lived at Almira in the 1930?s, but don?t want you make a special trip, only if you?re there for something else.
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Almira was No 55 Lloyd Street, I have just found an article regarding the estate of Ellen Louise Parry that mentions the address. There is another article that mentions Penrhos Caravan Hire at 53 Lloyd Street.
On 29/9/1939 the 1939 Register was taken & living at Almira, Lloyd Street was Griffith D Parry a Master Joiner born 9/7/1881, his wife Clara born 4/12/1881 & Ella Hardy a School Teacher born 3/9/1884 she was a widow.
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Thank you for the information Meleri. I?m researching my Father, who was adopted and Almira is given as his place of birth in 1931.
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Have you thought of doing a DNA test through Ancestry.com they have a special offer on at the moment. I traced my husband's father through that & also I had a match that showed a 1st cousin. it transpired he had been adopted & was trying to find his birth family. It was a joy to welcome him into our family & he looked so like some of the men, it didn't take me long to discover who his father was.
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Thanks Meleri, I received your PM but when I try to reply to you it says I am not allowed to send PM. I would like to proceed with my research though.
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Narrowed it down a bit more. The Parry family were living at Almira Lloyd Street 11th December 1933, the son Richard Tudor Parry age 13 was charged with theft & his mother Clara Parry was in court with him.
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I may be able to add a little about Richard Tudor Parry (who I met many years ago when he returned to Llandudno for a visit). He served in WW2 and was one of the few survivors of the massacre near Wormhout in Northern France in May, 1940 - not to be confused with the ambush at Wormhout itself. He survived but had been badly wounded. Fortunately, he was found by some German army medics who took care of him. I think he spent at least two years as a PoW before being exchanged. After his release, he certainly made a formal statement about the atrocity. He died in 1979 at his home near Windermere.
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Meleri's comment of "doing a DNA test through Ancestry.com they have a special offer on at the moment" is a really good idea and worth having a go at.
I like watching the TV programme "Long lost families" and in particular the ones about foundling babies. These cases are where the babies have been left in places where they are likely to be found but with no details left about the baby, They have been able to trace the birth mother and father relying purely on DNA evidence so it really does help
Like Meleri I have also done a DNA test and the results are really interesting and it turns out that I have relatives all over the world
In your Father's case do you have a copy of his birth certificate?
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Yes, I have just received my Father?s birth certificate which sparked off my research as Almira came up as his place of birth. I have had my DNA results back.
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As I don't subscribe to any of the sites I couldn't get full access to the 1921 Census. The information I did get was as follows
Clara Parry b 1882 Denbighshire
Griffith D Parry b1881 Caernarfonshire
Trefor C Parry b1815 Washington USA
In addition there were two other people living there at the time of the Census. I wonder who those two people were?
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Hugo - one would probably have been Richard Tudor Parry as he was born 1st November 1920 - see my post above for his story.
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Cambrian, thanks for pointing that out and I should have picked that up with Meleri mentioning that he was 13 in 1933, I wonder who the fifth one was?
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In the 1922 and 1925 Directories, 55 Lloyd Street is named as The Rowans and occupied by Mrs R W Jones as apartments.
Around 1926, a Mr R W Jones appears at The Rowans in St Andrew's Place. This begs the question as to whether the Jones family moved virtually across the road and took the house name with them. Presumably the Parry family at some point before 1933 take over 55 and re-name it as Almira. A puzzle is that the 1929 Directory shows a W Neal at 55 The Rowans as apartments!
Trevor C. Parry was the eldest son of Griffith and Clara Parry, Almira, who died in 1946. He served in the RAF in WW2.
As an aside, Mr R W Jones (1887-1983) was clerk at Chamberlain, Johnson & Parke in Trinity Square (1900 - 1979. He was still working into his 90s and the last Llandudno man to wear a wing collar, which he did each day on his walk to work. Conwy Archives have a photo of him complete with wing collar - just put "The Rowans" in their search box.
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Cambrian, if you have access to the 1922 and 1925 Street Index do you know if Clara or Griffith D Parry are shown as living in Lloyd street in either of those two years?
It is possible that the street may have been renumbered at some time
Richard Tudor Parry is shown in the 1921 Census but strangely as Richard J Parry but that must be a mistake in copying from the original Census. In those days the capital letters J and T looked similar
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Bit of a mystery one, Hugo. They are not in Lloyd Street in the 22 or 25 Directories. What I can say is they spent some years in the USA as Griffith, Clara, Trevor and daughter Mair arrived in Liverpool from Philadelphia on 6/6/1919. The address given for them is Glanavon, Llanbedr.
I wonder if Griffith and Clara married over there and she may have been a US or Canadian citizen. He was a joiner/carpenter by trade and spent around 14 years in the US and Canada. He died in 1946 aged 64 and worked in his father's building firm - though I have not been able to trace this.
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The Parry family are living in Llandudno in 1921 according to the 1921 Census and Mair M Parry was born in Pittsburgh USA in 1918. I'll see if I can find out where tomorrow
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The Parry Family are living at 2 Curzon Road, Llandudno on the 1921 Census. The son Trevor was born Almira, Washington, USA so that's were they must have got the name from when they moved to Lloyd Street. Griffith D Parry was born Llanbedr, Caernarfonshire & Clara was born Llanelian, Denbighshire. Mair M Parry was born Pittsburg Pennsylvania 1918, they must have come back just after as Richard was born 1920 Caernarvonshire.
I don't think the Parry family have anything to do with the person we are looking for, other than to have given her a home while she had her baby boy, but it has been really good that we have all worked together to try & solve the puzzle ;D
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Yes, I have just received my Father?s birth certificate which sparked off my research as Almira came up as his place of birth. I have had my DNA results back.
The birth certificate may or may not show the name of the mother and father but that would help with our search. The only female living at Almira that we know about is Mair M Parry, but she would only have been 12 or 13 when Mrs S's father was born. Without the birth mother's name it's a guessing game and that is where DNA helps.
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I have discovered a Richard W Jones living at The Rowans, Solicitor?s Probate Clerk in 1939.
Meleri has the Mothers name.Thank you for all this information and your research, it has been very helpful. I am carrying on researching as it is addictive.
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I have just seen this having been laid up with an evil lurgy for about 10 days. There is an entry for an obituary on Ancestry for Richard Tudor Parry born c1921 who died age 58 in 1979. It states his death place to be Llandudno and residence place to be Almira, Lloyd St. The obituary date is 11/10/1979 which was in the North Wales Weekly News. His spouse is shown as Brenda.
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I have now found my Father?s birth mother, Annie from Llanrhyddlad. I just want to say thank you for your help and support, Meleri, Hugo, Helig and Cambrian.