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DaveR:
(7199, '
--- Quote ---CHIP SHOP TALK: HARRY\\''S CHIPPY\r\n\r\nShare your memories on local chippy\\''s here in Llandudno, and Britains best known traditional takeout!\r\n\r\n
--- Quote ---Do any of you remember the chip shop that used to be in Bodafon st in the late 50s I think it was called Harrys. In those days my father used to have a job on the prom in the evenings, putting out, &amp; bringing in the  deckchairs, when the band where playing, &amp; we used to go &amp; meet him,then call straight to harrys for chips to eat out of newspaper on the way home to West shore, Great times. :D
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\r\n\r\nI had forgot about harrys chippy we used to get chips from there as a kid and eat them whilst walking home from town on a saturday strange how they seemed to taste better then than they do now must have been the newsprint.\r\nHarrys and Greasy lils Had too be the two best chipies this town have seen.
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\r\n\r\nOnly went to Harrys once or twice, and yes it was on a par with Greasy Lils.....lol'),
(2873, '
--- Quote ---Don\\''t forget the IOM ferries were 30 years ago and the Landing Stage has not really received any maintenance since the regular sailings ended.
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\r\n\r\nThe only maintenance they should require is to the  green hart fenders the landing stages themselves would last a lot longer than 30 years.\r\nThe only other things that would need looking at are the entry gangways which are not the best that is why i wonder if the problem lies in the cost of insurance.'),
(2875, '
--- Quote ---Don\\''t forget the IOM ferries were 30 years ago and the Landing Stage has not really received any maintenance since the regular sailings ended.\r\n\r\nThe only maintenance they should require is to the  green hart fenders the landing stages themselves would last a lot longer than 30 years.\r\nThe only other things that would need looking at are the entry gangways which are not the best that is why i wonder if the problem lies in the cost of insurance.
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\r\n\r\nIt\\''s possible. During my time on the pier, I never saw the lower section of the landing stage being used, as the ship would lower its own gangway straight onto the main section of the stage. Maybe the main gangway from stage to pier is unsafe? I\\''ve also just seen a post on a fishing forum that mentions repair work being carried out on a gangway on the landing stage a few days ago? I know MP Marine are carrying out repairs to the pier at the moment - I still think its possible that they\\''ve discovered some problem.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(7204, 'When I was in Llandudno a few weeks ago I took my kids up to the summit of the Orme. While they were in the play area, I was admiring the usual stunning views (no, not the single mums....the scenery :) ) and I saw a car making it\\''s way out of the car park down the road next to the tramline with a kid sitting on the roof with his legs dangling through the sunroof. What a totally irresponsible family............or am I just turning into a Victor Meldrew character! :roll: \r\n\r\n\r\n2nd August 2007 - How NOT to enjoy views on the Great Orme!\r\nPosted by Chris'),
(2877, 'Article about the history of Punch &amp; Judy in Llandudno here:\r\nhttp://www.punchandjudy.com/codmancutting.htm\r\n\r\nSC'),
(10989, '
--- Quote ---Brenda (and Les) Butterworth live in Jubillee Street and her elderly mother was still living independently a few doors away a few years ago.\r\n\r\nBrenda\\''s mother was probably living in Jubille Street during the mid-forties and may well remember Edna Millin.\r\n\r\nAnother option maybe !!
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\r\n\r\nAny chance of popping down there and helping with the investigation Bri?'),
(7200, '
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--- Quote ---\r\nDo you remember Derek Hearne \\''Hearnie?\\'' He was another South Walian character alongside \\''Musso\\''.\r\nThen there was \\''Mel\\'' the old Football teacher with white hair.\r\n\\''Tecky Evans\\'' was a star, and was our form teacher one year. Some others were Vaughn Parry with the ginger hair, Ma Lloyd, and \\''Curly Bill\\''.
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\r\n\r\nDerek Hearne was a really nice guy, sadly died around 1991-92 or so - he was one of my teachers when he became ill a few months before.
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\r\n\r\nYes I remember hearing he had died, I never liked his subjects, but you are right, he was a real gentleman too. Also Des Jones who taught Physics died too, he too was strict but fair, a very good teacher.'),
(7203, 'Does anyone have any photos of Ysgol John Bright? Either Oxford Rd or Trinity Avenue, or both - also Lloyd St?\r\nI\\''ll never forget visiting my mum in Llandudno a couple of years back and finding out that my old school field had turned into Asda!!! :x \r\nI was going to try to get some photos of YJB and Lloyd St from the archives at Lloyd St, only to find that it had closed on the Thursday not reopening until the following Tuesday, and I was heading back to Herts on Sunday......bad timing.....story of my life!'),
(2886, '\r\n1978 - Lorreto School, Llandudno\r\n\r\n
--- Quote ---Back Row L-R / Paul Davies, Joey Neary, Robert Jones, Joseph Lynch, Tim Boote, Eric Roberts, Ian Riley, John Burns.\r\n\r\nFront Row L-R / Martin Canning, Stephen Roberts, Anthony Williams, Roy Hughes, Gerald Lane, Peter Rowlands, Carl Jones.\r\n\r\n Teacher: Mr John Owen.
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\r\n\r\nTO SHARE MEMORIES OF THIS PHOTO OR YOUR OLD SCHOOL CLICK THE FOLLOWING WEB LINK:\r\nhttp://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=176&amp;sid=94082fbe6a623e4263848da035119931'),
(6495, 'Just been speaking to my auntie and she said that she has seen one or two snake on and around the orme and also late in the evening a family of owls last time she was down any one else seen owls and if so do you know where the best place to spot them is? also what about bats is there any where that you could go to spot bats in the evening?\r\nSarah  :shock:'),
(2890, '
--- Quote ---Having visited the place a couple of times or three to do with a planning issue and fought with the heirarchy for the last 18 months, there is alot of what my late Mother in Law would have termed&quot; Dirty Work at the Crossroads&quot; goes on within those hallowed walls !
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\r\n\r\nIf you really think so, or indeed if you have any proof or circumstance that gave cause for your interpretation, let me know and i will take it up.  You can send details to theferret@supanet.com - All remains confidential and no names will be divulged, at least not without approval.'),
(7201, 'Remember it well, extremely sad day.'),
(2892, '
--- Quote ---\r\n&quot;Craigside Inn was originally a house known as Simdda Hir, its most famous resident being Hugh Mulleneux Walmsley, who described himself as a Colonel in the Imperial Ottoman Army. In 1864 he wrote Llandudno As It Is (having earlier written books about soldiering in Algeria. Simdda Hir became St. Mary\\''s Convent in 1969 but the nuns left in 1984, after which it was converted into the Craigside Manor Hotel, until sold to its present owners&quot;\r\n\r\nI also found out a little more about the Roman coins that were found across the road:\r\n\r\n&quot;In 1907, a metal strapped wooden box was found 30 inches down in scree across the road from Shimdda Hir. In it were 500 Roman coins, dating  from 287-293, a period when Mausaeus Carausius was Emperor of Britain."\r\n\r\nThat\\''s got to be a worth a complimentary pint next time I\\''m in the Craigside Inn?  :lol: \r\n\r\nJust been doing some more digging about this Hugh Mulleneux Walmsley chap. He appears to have been quite a prolific author, with these being a few of the titles he has written:\r\n\r\nBranksome Dene: A Sea Tale (1872)\r\nThe ruined cities of Zululand (1869)\r\nRuined cities of Zululand: Volume 2 (1869)\r\nZulu land;: Its wild sports and savage life (1879)\r\nThe Chasseur D\\''Afrique (1864)\r\nJournal Of A Bashi Bazouk (1857)\r\nThe Life Guardsman (1871)\r\nLife Of Sir Joshua Walmsley (1879)\r\n\r\nHis best known work is probably:\r\nSketches of Algeria during the Kabyle War (1858)\r\nwhich, somewhat amazingly, is still in print today:\r\nhttp://www.amazon.com/Sketches-Algeria-during-Kabyle-War/dp/1402187548/\r\n\r\nThere\\''s also a suggestion that his work formed the inspiration for a more famous novel, namely King Solomon\\''s Mines by Rider Haggard.\r\n\r\nSC
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\r\n\r\nThank you.  Yes, that\\''s the fella!! I wonder when the house was built and if it was built for him. As far as I\\''m aware the Holden family lived there for more than one generation, up until the nuns had it I think.  I\\''d like to be able to find out more about them, the Holdens. It\\''s an intriguing building.  I never knew about the Roman coins though.  Berenice.\r\n\r\nPs:  A complimentary pint hey  :roll:'),
(2893, 'As mentioned a while back I remember a toffee factory called Cabin Confectionery at the back of Clifton road,in the late 1960\\''s and early 70\\''s. just a small workshop type building. The doors would always be wide open in the summer, and I would stand outside watching the workers feed a huge mound of golden toffee into a machine that would drop out wrapped toffees at the other end! There was a lovely smell of toffee in the air. There was also a leather factory further down (not such a nice smell there!) It was called Le-peds and they made leather goods, bags, belts etc. i got a job there but only lasted a few days as I had to feed strips of leather through a folding machine. The trouble was the machine would yank the leather so fast it would cause me to jump and let go, so the belts often came  out wonky! They let me go before I  bankrupted the place I think!'),
(2894, 'Just found this on Youtube\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2utvj9b7ylk'),
(2895, '\r\nc1973/74 - Class 8, Stella Maris, Llandudno\r\n\r\n
--- Quote ---Back Row L-R / Sheila Davies, Caroline Kemp, Christine Jones, Karen Kavanagh, Martine Horton-Jones, Sheila Roberts, Susan King, Julia Spencer, Sonia Richardson.\r\n\r\nMiddle Row L-R / Robert Jones, Timothy Boote, Tommy Lyness, Roy Hughes, Paul Davies, Eric Roberts, Eddie Clarke (mulligan), Stephen Roberts, Anthony Williams, Martin Canning.\r\n\r\nFront Row L-R / Jackie Hunt, Debbie Clegg, Julie Cotton, Carri Parisella, Alison Donavon, Anna Parisella, Janet Welsh, Susan Jones, Lindsey Priddle, Sian Grindley.
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\r\n\r\nTO SHARE MEMORIES OF THIS PHOTO OR YOUR OLD SCHOOL CLICK THE FOLLOWING WEB LINK:\r\nhttp://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=176&amp;sid=94082fbe6a623e4263848da035119931'),
(2900, '
--- Quote ---Just found this on Youtube\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2utvj9b7ylk
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\r\n\r\nSIMPLY    S T U N N I N G!\r\nCraig - don\\''t know how you go about it - but this is one for the Llandudno Archive!!\r\n\r\nActually if you search amongst the Youtube links (and dross) associated with the above - there\\''s a video diary of the history of West Shore gun site; and you can also take a tram ride up to the Summit.\r\nAll good stuff!'),
(2901, '
--- Quote ---SIMPLY    S T U N N I N G!\r\nCraig - don\\''t know how you go about it - but this is one for the Llandudno Archive!!
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\r\n\r\nWhen you say for the Llandudno Archive? I take it your referring to the one in Lloyd Street, if you give them something like that, it\\''d never see the light of day again, we will be hosting our own online archives and live exhibitions in the near future.\r\n\r\nSee our \\''Bringing History Alive Statement\\''\r\n\r\nLINK: http://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=378&amp;sid=b4ad5ed742c9606a6360f3db18fdd96b'),
(2902, 'We\\''ve not much in our video section yet, its down to time mainly which I have little of. But we have two videos for you to watch if you wish. The one on Alex Munro is very interesting!\r\n\r\nLINK: http://www.olle.co.uk/vids.htm'),
(14085, 'R.I.P richie, llandudno legend , will be sadly missed by everyone who new him. :cry:'),
(14054, 'Heard on the grape tonight that local character, and all round good guy, Ritchie Taff  has passed on.\r\nAny one else heard this?'),
(2904, 'Hi all,\r\n\r\nThat\\''s a great clip on u-tube. There\\''s even a shot of the dodgem boats. There are more clips on there too. Someone has done the toboggan run with the theme to Casino Royale over it, not bad.\r\n\r\nJust checked out the OLLE video clips. Excellent. Had to laugh in the Yanks clip. Venessa Redgrave has no idea where England or Ireland is and just points in any old direction. Craig; must get that clip of Hindle Wakes on there too.'),
(6425, 'i have to say spiders arent my idea of wildlife i hate the bloody things but not everyone does  :lol:  There has been a previous post about dolphins seen round the great orme has anyone else seen them and if so where abouts is a good spot to get a close look i love dolphins but my mum does even more then me and im bringing her back to llandudno soon so it would be great to show here this amazing site\r\nThanks\r\nSarah  :D'),
(2906, 'When I was 16/17 we always went to the Winter Gardens with live music.  You couldn\\''t beat it. No alcohol.  My mum told me to leave before the end because there were fights sometimes.  Like many others I met my husband there, he was doing his National Service and 51 years later we\\''re still here.  Both local born and love the place.'),
(6252, 'Although the Alex was a bit rough you got some real characters in there, Martin Leary who did the karaoke used to compare it to the bar in Star Wars with all the weird creatures and half humans wandering around. I remember Big Glyn or &quot;Satch&quot; always in the same spot by the bar every night, Tony &quot;Elvis&quot;  plus various others.\r\nCheers\r\nDerek'),
(2908, 'Charles Payne also owned the Esplanade Hotel. I ran the bar there for him for many years. He was an incredible character. I\\''d often have to keep the bar open until the very early hours of the morning. He\\''d always be there in some corner, supposedly asleep, but could tell you everyone that came and went (and what they said!) the next day. He never missed a thing. He always arranged accomodation for any acts on at the Arcadia, so I met many famous faces through him. He was one in a million.'),
(14074, 'Very sad to hear about Ritchie :( what a nice guy and always had time for a chat :cry:  saw him a couple of weeks ago and had quite a shock to see how much weight he\\''d lost and how ill he looked, always had time for his Mum to who is still going strong, but will be devestated (bless her) the Nev and the Alex won\\''t seem the same again :( R.I.P Richie taff)'),
(2910, 'I have to admit that I haven\\''t visited this one yet but I can honestly say that most of the libraries in the area are excellent - I rarely use the main one in Llandudno but find the libraries here in Wales excellent for folklore, history etc. and often they actually let you take them home(yippee!). It is a shame that society is becoming less book orientated and more computer so. I suppose that\\''s why there\\''s an increase in tapping noises whenever I visit a library! :D'),
(10506, 'This is sad news. I didn\\''t know him but always enjoyed reading his posts on the forum.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(13601, 'Click this link to find out whats playing and when -\r\n\r\n :arrow: http://www.cineworld.co.uk/reservation/ChoixResa.jgi?CINEMA=23'),
(13602, 'North Wales Police are no longer treating the incident as suspicious, and are no longer looking for anyone in relation to this sad event. The Police file in connection with Suzanne\\''s death will be submitted to the Coroner in due course.'),
(2913, 'I\\''ve never been in favour of pedestrianising Mostyn Street, if for no other reason we would lose 150 or so car parking spaces every hour, and with no where else to put those cars there would be mayhem.\r\n\r\nApart from that, I don\\''t agree with continuing to make Llandudno just like every other town. I want our town to be special and individual. Bring back the old red telephone Boxes too.\r\n\r\nI have no wish for our wonderful town to experience problems in the centre of town that other resorts get that have their main street free of cars. Anti social behaviour would increase, surely we don\\''t want that?\r\n\r\nBut, hey, who am I, what I say won\\''t make any difference, for the powers that be will just do what they want anyway.'),
(14072, 'By the look of it he is coming to llandudno on the 2nd of december.'),
(14073, 'This is a polite notice, could members of the forum refrain from offering their \\''technical\\'' help in this section. Kindways have been given an exclusive right under our main sponsorship agreement and it is they who have the experience and expertise to offer the correct help and guidance whether it be free online help or the offering of their paid for services when appropriately recommended. They will endeavour to give a response to any question asked usually within 24 hours.'),
(2917, '
--- Quote ---As mentioned a while back I remember a toffee factory called Cabin Confectionery at the back of Clifton road,in the late 1960\\''s and early 70\\''s. just a small workshop type building. The doors would always be wide open in the summer, and I would stand outside watching the workers feed a huge mound of golden toffee into a machine that would drop out wrapped toffees at the other end! There was a lovely smell of toffee in the air. There was also a leather factory further down (not such a nice smell there!) It was called Le-peds and they made leather goods, bags, belts etc. i got a job there but only lasted a few days as I had to feed strips of leather through a folding machine. The trouble was the machine would yank the leather so fast it would cause me to jump and let go, so the belts often came  out wonky! They let me go before I  bankrupted the place I think!
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\r\n\r\nIve heard the name &quot;Cabin Confectionary&quot; before, was there a shop called that in town somewhere?'),
(2918, 'great job craig i showed the vid to my gran as she used to love watching punch and judy when she came to llandudno and she said it has taken her back to when they she was younger so thanks for that it really made my grans day.\r\nThey used to do punch and judy in blackpool in the summer but it stopped a while ago shame really because while i was watching it with you during the extravaganza and it made me laugh and im 21 so i would say its for people of all ages. Bring back punch and judy all around britain thats what i say lol'),
(11151, 'Bang on the money Trojan. \r\n\r\nI must admit to being a little aprehensive about using the &quot;bins&quot; name. I said it once in all innocence in The Cavern. She heard me and held a pint over my head.\r\nApparently her father died &quot;on the bins&quot;. How escapes me.\r\nI last saw Linda in the main bar of the Neville in the 90\\''s.\r\nIs she still around?\r\nI do have some shocking stories but that would be a PM  :twisted:'),
(2921, '
--- Quote ---great job craig i showed the vid to my gran as she used to love watching punch and judy when she came to llandudno and she said it has taken her back to when they she was younger so thanks for that it really made my grans day.\r\nThey used to do punch and judy in blackpool in the summer but it stopped a while ago shame really because while i was watching it with you during the extravaganza and it made me laugh and im 21 so i would say its for people of all ages. Bring back punch and judy all around britain thats what i say lol
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\r\n\r\nI was on the prom at 2pm on saturday, there was a massive crowd waiting for the Show to start, I have seen smaller crowds in the cineworld at a major film.....lol'),
(2922, 'I don\\''t know how all of you can condone all that violence!!!!  :D  :D  :D'),
(2923, '
--- Quote ---\r\nThank you.  Yes, that\\''s the fella!! I wonder when the house was built and if it was built for him. As far as I\\''m aware the Holden family lived there for more than one generation, up until the nuns had it I think.  I\\''d like to be able to find out more about them, the Holdens. It\\''s an intriguing building.  I never knew about the Roman coins though.  Berenice.\r\n\r\nPs:  A complimentary pint hey  :roll:
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\r\n\r\nOK, you sure owe me more than a pint for all this :lol: but... in no particular order:\r\n\r\nCraigside Inn is currently owned by Chiswell Properties Ltd, a subsidiary of Whitbread. No surprises there.\r\n\r\nThe nuns were \\''The Congregation of the Sisters of St.Mary of Namur\\''.\r\n\r\n19th March 1970 - The original Shimdda Hir estate is broken up, when the main house &amp; stable block is sold by Enid Margaret Holden to \\''Ursula Furlong and others\\'' (the nuns) but Mrs(?) Holden retains ownership of  Nos 1 and 2 Shimdda Hir Cottages. \r\n\r\n4th September 1984 - The nuns sell the main house &amp; stable block to Peter Raymond Smith, who opens the main house as a hotel/restaurant(?) named \\''Le Manoir\\''.\r\n\r\n25 November 1986 - Peter Raymond Smith sells the main house to Donald Ward Limited but retains the stable block and also retains the right to use the Craigside Inn entrance for access (hence the present day gates in the corner of the overflow car park).\r\n\r\n29th April 1988 - The Stable Block is sold by Peter Raymond Smith to Dunton Leisure.\r\n\r\nThe bit of the jigsaw I\\''m currently missing is the date when Whitbread bought the main house from Donald Ward Limited and converted it into the Craigside Inn...but I\\''m working on that one!\r\n\r\nTo (sort of) answer your question, I would say its very likely that it was built for Hugh Mulleneux Walmsley, being as he wrote Llandudno As It Is there in 1864 and the architectural style places it firmly around that time period.\r\n\r\nI also noted that his last book was published in 1879 and therefore  it\\''s likely that he died somewhere between then and 1900. It was then probably that the Holden family bought the estate and owned it up until the 1970 sale to the nuns.\r\n\r\nThere you go...two hours worth of research to find all that out!\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2924, 'I\\''ve been in contact with Chris Somerville, of the Harlequin Puppet Theatre in Rhos On Sea and he has very kindly provided me with some info:\r\n\r\n&quot;My understanding is that the original Egyptian Hall was in London, the home of the magic shows of Maskelyne and Devant. There was a reproduction situated somewhere under the Pavilion on Llandudno pier as you say and I also understand that it was used for magic shows - possibly under the auspices of Maskelyne and Devant.\r\n \r\nI do not remember there being shows there - but I was shown the room as a child. I do not remember the exact location but I think you are right about there being a path to the left of the pier entrance and I remember Jack Codman told me he used to park the Punch and Judy booth there overnight. I always understood this lead to the Egyptian Hall entrance.\r\n \r\nI think I was originally told about it by Mr Wagstaff. He used to have a music shop in Llandudno - what is now the art gallery by the General Post Office - he used to supply the grand pianos for the pavilion shows - but in earlier days had been a pianist in theatre orchestras. He was a fund of information."\r\n\r\nA big thank you to Chris Sommerville for providing some more pieces of the jigsaw! In addition to running the Puppet Theatre, he also runs both the www.puppetmagic.co.uk and www.punchandjudy.com websites.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2925, 'To add to Chris Somerville\\''s info, the original Egyptian Hall was in Piccadilly, London and \\''was so named from its being in the Egyptian style of architecture and ornament, the inclined pilasters and sides being covered with hieroglyphics; and the hall is now used principally for popular entertainments, lectures, and exhibitions\\''. \r\n\r\nIt was built in 1812 as a museum of natural history but descended in following years into something more resembling a freak show.  An example exhibit was: The living skeleton - a Frenchman from the Champagne district of France. He was five feet seven and a half inches in height, but weighed only seventy seven and three-quarter pounds. He consisted literally of nothing else but skin and bone.\r\n\r\nhttp://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/EgyptianHallPiccadilly.htm\r\n\r\nSC'),
(6494, 'Thanks i will certainly let my mother know, she has in fact been wale watching which is something i would like to do but if i could take her to see dolphins that would be even better. i can remember taking her up the great orm and watching as she looked on in amazement at the views that you get. she really loved the cheeky goats especially as they got really close i will upload different wildlife pic after my next visit especially as i have been given some great tips on where to spot the wildlife\r\nThanks to all the members who have given me places that i should go take pictures from\r\nSarah  :D'),
(14071, '
--- Quote ---He cannot have been PROVEN to be a complete fake otherwise he would not be allowed to perform.\r\n\r\nSome believe in what he does, some don\\''t, and they all pay their money to be &quot;entertained&quot; if that is what one can call it!\r\n\r\nUnfortunately we live in a society where people believe in all sorts of things, horoscopes, fortune tellers, gypsies at their door, and even different religions and Deities.\r\n\r\nApart from being sceptical about this gentleman one can also question many of the &quot;miracles&quot; and other happenings in the various religious doctrines.  \r\n\r\nWe all have our own ideas and it is up to us individually to believe or not.
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\r\nI believe his show is billed as entertainment rather than mediumship, so gets around that problem. He\\''s been caught out many times.\r\n\r\nRegardless of what people believe in, I find the idea of a man profiting from peoples\\'' grief at the loss of loved ones sick. Truly sick. I resent my taxes going to subsidise a theatre that puts on such \\''shows\\''.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2929, 'hi, there was the Cabin Cafe remember that somewhere near where Next is now, yes heard of Cabin Confectionary , we are trying to rack brains where that was, get back on that one!'),
(2930, 'If the volume of cars that now use Mostyn Street were to be diverted onto the prom and/or Madoc Street no one would shift anywhere. It is bad enough on the prom when coaches double park despite the \\''drop off\\'' bays, imagine the chaos with the extra volume of vehicles from Mostyn Street. I have often said that it takes me longer to get to and from Asda than it does to do a week\\''s shopping for a house full of people.'),
(2933, 'I am sure it still comes under Happy Valley Road.\r\n\r\nAt least it does on council maintenance notices.\r\n\r\nOr maybe it just &quot;The collonade&quot;  I am sure there used to be a road sign at the bottom of it.'),
(2934, 'I\\''m not in favour of complete pedestrianisation either. Smaller areas of pedestrianisation have worked well, i.e the bog island area, but that\\''s as far as it should go on Mostyn Street. I say one or both of the Gloddaeth Street car parks should be sold off and maybe a multistorey built on the town hall car park site.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2935, '
--- Quote ---If the volume of cars that now use Mostyn Street were to be diverted onto the prom and/or Madoc Street no one would shift anywhere. It is bad enough on the prom when coaches double park despite the \\''drop off\\'' bays, imagine the chaos with the extra volume of vehicles from Mostyn Street. I have often said that it takes me longer to get to and from Asda than it does to do a week\\''s shopping for a house full of people.
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\r\n\r\nBut if it was pedestrianised, cars would not come up there, they would stop short of it, ie car parks, say in Gloddaeth avenue.'),
(2937, 'Yeah but what about all the idle beggars who won\\''t walk ten yards? These are the ones who double park, or sit on corners, on double yellow lines, whilst they, or their passengers \\''pop\\'' for a paper. Wish they\\''d all get booked !'),
(2938, '
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--- Quote ---SIMPLY    S T U N N I N G!\r\nCraig - don\\''t know how you go about it - but this is one for the Llandudno Archive!!
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\r\n\r\nWhen you say for the Llandudno Archive? I take it your referring to the one in Lloyd Street, if you give them something like that, it\\''d never see the light of day again, we will be hosting our own online archives and live exhibitions in the near future.\r\n
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\r\n\r\nHi Craig\r\n\r\nNO - I assumed that this Llandudno Enthusiasts forum was THE only \\''Llandudno Archive\\'' that mattered! :D  \\''cos it\\''s made up of real peoples memorie\\''s!! :D \r\nThat\\''s what a \\''living archive\\'' is about isn\\''t it? :D \r\nNot rather cold detached dusty cob web ridden artifacts! :D \r\n\r\nThe RNLI clip - together with the Dodgem Boats clip, are priceless as memorabilia - aren\\''t they? :D \r\n\r\nMy mention of \\''how do you go about it?\\'' was more related to possible copyright issues in hosting/posting it in this forum; but perhaps because it\\''s already in the \\''Public Domain\\'' (i.e. Youtube) then maybe the probs disappear .............?'),
(7198, 'The shops on the Fordd Las Estate, many have come and gone, but I grew up with Vernons Butchers, then Williams Grocers, Fittons News Agent/Sweet Shop, Hughes Green Grocers the The Hair Dressers, Allison was one of the main ladies in there, may be a bit confused about the name, but I think it was &quot;Flair Hair&quot; but that may have been the one by Mostyn House Surgery. People will remember the Legendry Mrs Bronson serving in Fittons. She always had a fag hanging out her mouth. Very Strict, always off loaded her coppers on to you as change. Very nice lady though, went on to work on th ecigarette counter in Asda. My uncle Hefin used to run Vernons before him.'),
(2940, '
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--- Quote ---Just found this on Youtube\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2utvj9b7ylk
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\r\n\r\nActually if you search amongst the Youtube links (and dross) associated with the above - there\\''s a video diary of the history of West Shore gun site; and you can also take a tram ride up to the Summit.\r\nAll good stuff!
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\r\n\r\nThe West Shore gun site video was entitled &quot;The War History of the Great Orme&quot; - or similar.\r\nThe Tram ride was under a link \\''Llandudno\\'' and \\''Tram ride\\'', or \\''tramway\\'' - was surfing at the time and can\\''t remember for sure what the exact link was.\r\nGo surfing \\''Youtube\\''  :wink:'),
(2942, '
--- Quote ---Yeah but what about all the idle beggars who won\\''t walk ten yards? These are the ones who double park, or sit on corners, on double yellow lines, whilst they, or their passengers \\''pop\\'' for a paper. Wish they\\''d all get booked !
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\r\n\r\nYeah I know what you mean, but its not just the police that do that.....lol');
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(2943, 'Oh wow!!!!  Wherever did you find all that ??  Many many many thanks!!! Fragments of it (but not dates) I knew and a lot I didn\\''t.  Now then, somewhere I have a folder of bits and bobs which have a little more info - research I did a few years ago.  There is a story behind that, but it will keep for now  :lol:   Not sure how long it will take me to locate this folder as my filing system is of the &quot;slingitinacupboardsomewhere&quot; variety  :roll:   Also I work some incredibly long hours (one guess where) and have nowhere near enough free time for my liking!!  But I\\''ll do my best to dig it out when I can and will post what little more I know.  Berenice.'),
(2945, 'Okay, many boxes - piles of dust - and cries of &quot;wow I\\''ve not seen that for a long time&quot; later I have found my stashed away info. A lot easier than I\\''d thought.  I have a handfull of notes and two copies of ordenance survey maps (1889 &amp; 1890) to hand.  I can\\''t reproduce tha maps sadly as I don\\''t have the permission to do so, I had to sign for them from the local archives as it is. I can post my notes here though.\r\n\r\nHowever the hour is late and my brain is not cooperating so it will have to wait for now.  Post from notes to follow in the next few days hopefully.........\r\n\r\nBerenice.\r\n\r\nPS:  I\\''m guessing that the date for Whitbread may be around 1991/2/3ish.  I moved to the area February 1992 and sometime in my first year here I noticed a sign for Charlie Chalks appear.....I remember thinking how that looked interesting.'),
(8324, 'I have two special places. One is the Sunshine Cafe, Haulfre Gardens which I have been visiting for the last 40 years.  It is relatively unchanged in that period of time and is still a haven of peace, beauty and wonderful views.\r\n\r\nMy second favourite place is on West Shore, where there is a sheltered spot at the rear of the rocks, just below the wall on the approach to Marine Drive. Here I used to play as a child whilst on family holidays at Bodlondeb Castle Methodist Hotel.\r\n\r\nDoes anyone else have memories of staying there in the mid-60\\''s?'),
(14002, '
--- Quote ---Has anyone mentioned the old market in masonic street which is about to be demolished :( formerly the stables and old kwiksaves,end of an era  :!:
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\r\n\r\nIs the site going to be developed?'),
(14003, '
--- Quote ---Try Mr Brian David of Ruscoes Newsagents in Craig-y-Don.
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\r\n\r\nYes, I was thinking the same Brian, he runs a good home news delivery service.'),
(14068, 'He cannot have been PROVEN to be a complete fake otherwise he would not be allowed to perform.\r\n\r\nSome believe in what he does, some don\\''t, and they all pay their money to be &quot;entertained&quot; if that is what one can call it!\r\n\r\nUnfortunately we live in a society where people believe in all sorts of things, horoscopes, fortune tellers, gypsies at their door, and even different religions and Deities.\r\n\r\nApart from being sceptical about this gentleman one can also question many of the &quot;miracles&quot; and other happenings in the various religious doctrines.  \r\n\r\nWe all have our own ideas and it is up to us individually to believe or not.'),
(14069, 'Does that mean we all have to call you Mo from now on?   :D \r\n.'),
(14070, 'Many thanks for the info'),
(2949, 'I would have to say a resounding YES! Putting aside the parking issues( Park and ride anyone?), environmentally speaaking it would be a blessing. Plus more pedestrian friendly. I see Llandudno as a nice, ambling paced sort ot town- the amount of cars destroy that for me and I\\''m fed up with nearly being splattered when I cross some streets.(especially side ones with no crossings!).'),
(2950, 'Sounds fine but any change must be for the benefit of the Community as a whole.  \r\n\r\nWe are just seeing the start of the silly season and apart from all the car parks being filled to capacity, including the remote Dale Road Car Park at West Shore, Gloddaeth Avenue is full, as is Mostyn Champneys, the Theatre park, Parc Llandudndo, ASDA,  The Promenade and every main Road, side road and double yellow line in the town.  Even Marine Drive from the Toll gate on becomes a car park at week-ends!  Once the full impact of Parc Llandudno is felt, tourists who cannot park anywhere will decide to start using more friendly places to stay where they can take their cars and not have a major problem.  The vehicle queue down Conwy Road to The Links is a sight to behold!\r\n\r\nPedestrianisation and the removal of parking spaces, whilst being user friendly, is just not on at present.  Even a couple or three multi story car parks would be insufficient to cure the problem.  And as  mentioned elsewhere in the Forum, the cost is astronomical.\r\n\r\nOne major cause of all this, is that the Big Store Shopping complex was made &quot;IN TOWN&quot; rather than &quot;OUT OF TOWN&quot; where ample provision could have been made to cater for the shopping public and left the town in Victorian peace, and probably better for the smaller retailers who flank the town streets.'),
(2951, 'We are just about to set off on our first cycle trip of the year. From Craig-y-Don we will head off towards Colwyn Bay. It\\''s much safer using the cycle track.Heading down towards Penrhyn Bay, where the track actually shares space with the pavement we will reach the dizzying speeds of at least 5 MPH. \r\nLast week when we took our grandsons on North Shore  promenade we were amazed how fast and how close to a shelter, a council refuse lorry hurtled past. The driver had no way of seeing us sat on the bench and if one of the little ones had dashed out, there was no way the lorry could have stopped. The other vehicle using the prom was the van, which I presume &quot;police\\''s&quot; the prom. That was going at a fair speed too.\r\nThe reason these vehicles feel it is appropriate to use these speeds is the lack of PEOPLE on the prom. So let\\''s get real. Can you actually see hundreds of bicycles hurtling down the prom. Not really, the odd few probably, and they will probably give more consideration to pedestrians than the motorists using the prom do when approaching &quot;Zebra Crossings&quot;.\r\nSurely an happy balance might be to let cycles use the majority of the prom but maybe direct them on to the road at the busiest ( Pedestrian that is) end by the pier at certain times of the year.\r\nIncidentally, I have never heard of any pedestrians complain about bicycles when they walk on the cycle specific track from Llandulas to Pensarn'),
(2952, 'Well we made it back in one piece, all the way to Kinmel Bay and back. There was a notable absence of injured people lying about the place and it was pleasant to be greeted with cheery &quot;hello\\''s&quot; by both passing cyclists and pedestrians. The only dodgy bit is Rhos Point to the bandstand, so we got off and walked on the way back. \r\nWhat\\''s the problem with doing something similar in Llandudno.\r\nSome people just like saying no for the sake of it.'),
(2969, 'I don\\''t know Frank well enough or know the details of his contributions over the 50 years so am not totally qualified to submit a recommendation.  However I hope someone will pick up their pen and do the neccessary.'),
(2970, 'Hi all,\r\n\r\nHere\\''s a good piece of footage on u-tube for anyone feeling home sick.\r\n\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ_4DrMl0QE&amp;mode=related&amp;search='),
(2971, '
--- Quote ---I presume that track is for mountain bikes only!   :D
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\r\n\r\nLooks that way! A large part of the cycle path is poorly designed in that area, gets covered in stones on a regular basis in the winter and floods as well.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2954, 'Forgive me if this has been mentioned before,but while driving along \r\nGloddaeth lane today, reminded me of when i was young lad (a long time ago).in the woods off Gloddaeth lane ,there used to be a statue of a naked man,though someone had broken off, shall we say,his redeeming feature.\r\n\r\nWe could never find out anything about this statue,whether it was something to do with St. Davids College or not,as to be fair we may have been trespassing at the time.\r\nDoes anyone else remember this or have any knowledge about it,?as it just seemed odd to have it all on its own, in the middle of a wood.\r\n\r\n\r\ni`m also proud to be a west shore arab.!'),
(2955, '
--- Quote ---Okay, many boxes - piles of dust - and cries of &quot;wow I\\''ve not seen that for a long time&quot; later I have found my stashed away info. A lot easier than I\\''d thought.  I have a handfull of notes and two copies of ordenance survey maps (1889 &amp; 1890) to hand.  I can\\''t reproduce tha maps sadly as I don\\''t have the permission to do so, I had to sign for them from the local archives as it is. I can post my notes here though.\r\n\r\nHowever the hour is late and my brain is not cooperating so it will have to wait for now.  Post from notes to follow in the next few days hopefully.........\r\n\r\nBerenice.\r\n\r\nPS:  I\\''m guessing that the date for Whitbread may be around 1991/2/3ish.  I moved to the area February 1992 and sometime in my first year here I noticed a sign for Charlie Chalks appear.....I remember thinking how that looked interesting.
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\r\n\r\nThe info I posted is from the Land Registry. I look forward to seeing your notes. Maybe a few more pieces of the jigsaw are in there...\r\n\r\nDo the maps show anything of particular interest? I\\''ve seen a couple of old maps of the area but there was nothing thrilling that I could see, apart from that the driveway used to carry on through to the stable block. \r\n\r\nThere\\''s also a mention on the Coflein website of a Formal Garden:\r\n\r\n&quot;This garden is depicted on the Second Edition Ordnance Survey 25-inch map of Caernarvonshire II, sheet 14 (1900). The main element shown on that map is a formal garden there is also a possible second formal garden. C.H. Nicholas, RCAHMW, 10th August 2006."\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2956, 'It\\''s a statue of Hercules, made by early 18th century sculptor John Van Nost. The statue used to stand in a clearing where three paths cross in a wood, south-east of the formal gardens at Gloddaeth Hall. His, er, disfigurement dates back to 1837. He was moved to the lawn before the house in the 1990s.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2957, '
--- Quote ---\r\nIncidentally, I have never heard of any pedestrians complain about bicycles when they walk on the cycle specific track from Llandulas to Pensarn
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\r\n\r\nThat\\''s probably because it\\''s not cycle specific, it\\''s actually a joint path for use by both cyclists and pedestrians. I walked along there a month or two back and the signs indicate that it is dual use:\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2958, 'Popped up to the end of the pier yesterday. There\\''s a lot of repair work going on:\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe Landing Stage has had its entrance gangway repaired and resurfaced:\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe Landing Stage itself, whilst looking a little tatty, doesn\\''t show any obvious signs of new problems:\r\n\r\n\r\nPanoramic shot, hence the curve in the photo!\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2960, 'Can anybody else remember the rumours of Devil Worshippers on the Little Orme?\r\n\r\nI think that it goes back to before Penrhyn Beach estate was built and the area was still full of World War 2 bunkers.'),
(2962, '&quot;A witchcraft altar was found at the top of White Chapel Bay in January 1972. It had been recently used, perhaps the night before, because the fine ash of a wood fire had not had a chance to blow away and a discarded pair of knickers had not been affected by the weather. Satanic symbols and letters had been painted on an upright stone (still visible today - SC). "\r\n\r\nInfo from Llandudno: Queen of the Welsh Resorts.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(2963, 'I have heard that the young Ladies from Gloddaeth Hall (when it was a female education establishment) would stroke the Statue\\''s &quot;private&quot; parts - maybe something to do with a fertility rite of some kind!!!  :D  :D \r\n\r\nThe shiny appearance and gradually eroding size obviously belies other myths regarding the male parts!    :D  :D'),
(2965, 'hi, hubby remembers something in the News of the World about this years ago but nothing else ever came of it.'),
(2966, 'hi, it was on Council Street West'),
(2968, 'I presume that track is for mountain bikes only!   :D'),
(2967, 'One shop I am sorry is no longer there is Baxter\\''s Bon.  It was  a great Man\\''s Shop where, apart from good quality clothes, you could buy almost any acoutrement from white gloves to a top hat and tails.   It really was an Aladdin\\''s cave of menswear.\r\n\r\nSadly it changed a few years ago and is now a Ponden Mill outlet.\r\n\r\nThe similar style men\\''s shop in Conwy has also, sadly, closed its doors.\r\n\r\nThe nearest alternative is now the Menswear shop in Station Road, Colwyn Bay.'),
(2972, 'The path was built with the cyclist in mind but not for their exclusive use.'),
(2973, 'Ive heard of devil worshippers on both ormes, mainly though because of  hidden coves, easy access to a lamb and a goat. Whether or not they are serious people or not I couldn`t tell you.'),
(2974, 'I would have expected a nomination to come first from someone like a District Commissioner of St. John\\''s Ambulance.'),
(2975, 'Must give Bryant &amp; Hocknell a mention, the furniture shop on the corner of Deganwy Avenue. It\\''s been there for years.'),
(2976, '
--- Quote ---Hi all,\r\n\r\nHere\\''s a good piece of footage on u-tube for anyone feeling home sick.\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ_4DrMl0QE&amp;mode=related&amp;search=\r\n\r\n
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\r\n\r\nFor an ex-pat Llandudnian - It\\''s a tearjerker!  :(  :D\r\n\r\n(Pity the wind noise destroyed the musical accompaniment to the 2nd part - but otherwise brill!)'),
(2977, 'There\\''s also Baxter\\''s Photography in Vaughan Street. There must also be quite a few Solicitors who\\''ve been in Llandudno a long time. Forte\\''s in Mostyn Street (soon to undergo another refurbishment - January 08 I think - last refurb was 15 years ago). The leather/luggage/tack shop in Upper Mostyn Street (on the right as you go up, by the alley near the sauna). Several long standing Family run hotels in town too. Isn\\''t there a pawn/jewellers shop in Vaughan Street by the Imperial Hotel next to the Off Licence?'),
(2978, 'Let\\''s not forget Bernard\\''s Gallery in Craig-Y-Don, also Lillian at John Hills Florist, also in Craig-Y-Don. Bob Butch the Butcher in Market Street within the Weatherspoons building (rear of). Bob\\''s been there forever. Tom Owen &amp; Son\\''s the Funeral Directors near the Market in Bodhyfryd Street.\r\n\r\nMy brains gone into overdrive. Sorry for the three postings.'),
(2979, 'I remember being in the Council Chamber in Llandudno Town Hall back in the early 1990s. I had gone to hear a presentation from a particular company who wanted the council to allow them to run the entertainment at the soon to be opened North Wales Theatre.\r\n\r\nDuring the guy\\''s presentation he emphasised his companies total committment to providing good quality entertainment in North Wales. We can do this, we can do that, we\\''ll do this, you know the sort of thing.\r\n\r\nAt the end of his presentation he invited questions. So I stood up and firstly asked him to confirm his companies total committment to providing good quality  entertainment in North Wales, he said \\''yes\\''.\r\n\r\nI then said, hold on, didn\\''t your company own the Astra Theatre and Winter Gardens Ballroom, he said \\''yes\\''. I replied \\''you closed that down didn\\''t you\\'' he replied \\''yes\\''. I said, \\''didn\\''t your company own the Astra Cinema and Bingo Hall in Colwyn Bay\\'', he said \\''yes\\''. I said \\''you closed that down as well didnt you\\''? he replied \\''yes\\''.\r\n\r\nI then said, \\''didn\\''t your company own the Savoy Cinema in Mostyn Street\\'' (by now his face was ashen), he replied in a shakey type of voice \\''yes\\'', and I replied \\''and you closed that down as well\\'' - then I sat down.\r\n\r\nThat company never did get the franchise at the theatre.'),
(2980, 'Hi all,\r\n\r\nI don\\''t live in Llandudno (yet !), but I want to ask all those of you who do:\r\nWhere do you think the towns future lies ? What is Llandudno and how is it supposed to sustain itself. Answer that and the way forward will be obvious.'),
(2981, 'Hi all\r\n\r\nAnyone remember the comics Robin (for 6 to 10 year olds), Swift (for 10 to 13 year olds, and Girl or Eagle (for 13 to 15/16 year olds).\r\n\r\nMe? Was an avid Eagle fan (Dan Dare &amp; the Mekon, et al).  Couldn\\''t wait for publication day each week (a Thursday - I think? :?: ); used to dash to (Jack) Leonards in Madoc Street each week before school to get the latest installments.\r\n\r\nCan\\''t remember the publisher\\''s name - but each summer in the late 50\\''s/early 60\\''s they used to organise beach games (sand castle building, races, novelty games, etc.) in a roped off area of beach in select resorts around the UK.\r\nLlandudno was one of those.\r\n\r\nOne year circa 1959/60 I was an \\''unofficail helper\\'' during the summer hols.\r\nEvents used to be 3 or 4 times a week - dependent on tide conditions of the North Shore.\r\nPrizes used to be things like logo\\''ed Duffle Bags - a souvenir I treasured for many a year afterwards.\r\nI think it was run by a local - whose name also escapes me.\r\nKit was kept in a single room down the side of the old Town Hall - in George Street - right next door to what were Public Loos backing on to the old market.'),
(2982, 'Have you seen this one?  :lol: \r\n\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdTQdaxzyU'),
(2983, 'One might think that because so many hotels and guesthouses have closed and been turned into flats, and that over the years many major retail outlets have come into town, that the future of the town will rely on retail rather than the tourisim trade.\r\n\r\nLlandudno has gone up in the retail rankings over the last few years. It used to be Chester, Wrexham then Llandudno that people chose to visit to shop, now it\\''s Chester, Llandudno then Wrexham. So that in itself is a plus.\r\n\r\nSadly though, the decline of bed space has been quite dramatic, and it wouldn\\''t surprise me if over the next few years it\\''ll be flats only from the Washington right to Bodafon Fields.\r\n\r\nA few years ago Llandudno had 20% of the bed space in Wales, with holiday makers coming to stay in the town, then during the day take the coach to Snowdonia, Conwy Valley or Anglesey, thus using the bed space available in Llandudno as the centre of the spider\\''s web to attract people to this part of North Wales.\r\n\r\nI remember well, a former tourisim chief being late for a Tourism Forum meeting in the Aberconwy Centre. He apologised for being late saying &quot;I\\''ve just spent the last two hours trying to convince 17 councillors that Tourisim was our main industry in this area, and I\\''ve come away believing it isn\\''t&quot; (he was only trying to make a point - he did still believe it).\r\n\r\nRetail does seem to be taking over from Tourisim in Llandudno, and in many ways you can see why, what with us now having to compete heaviliy with Europe and beyond. The world is a small place these days, and Llandudno can\\''t guarantee the sun and cheap booze like the continent.\r\n\r\nVision and foresight is what\\''s needed here, and the courage to make the correct decisions at the right time. But if we knew where Llandudno\\''s Future lay now, we could all do very nicely thank you, but we don\\''t, though some may think they do.'),
(2985, 'Hi Mike,\r\n I\\''m sorry I don\\''t remember the comics but there are plenty that do !!!!\r\nTry this link :\r\n\r\nhttp://www.comicsuk.co.uk/ComicInformationPages/Eagle1Pages/Eagle1HomePage.asp'),
(2986, 'In my opinion,\r\n\r\nI see Llandudno already having established itself as a key as North Wales\\''s No.1 regional shopping centre and this can only continue to boom. Within the retail trade there will be a major shakeup over the next 24 months, the centre of town has shifted upwards toward the \\''out of town\\'' shopping parks which are situated practically next door to a very long main street. This shift has created a gap which needs to be filled, otherwise the upper end of town will suffer indefinately, or are already suffering, leaving them to pay rents or leases based on existing trading trends rendering the businesses unprofitable and susceptible to close. There are ideas in the pipeline such as pedestrianisation which I believe could compromise much of the towns heritage, parking spaces and consequently damaging trade itself, however I propose that pedestrianising just upper Mostyn St would close this gap, and the introduction of an outdoor market on certain week days along the pedestrianised street would be the perfect compliment to those trading along there. To sit back and do nothing, we will see trade on Upper Mostyn St suffer, upper Mostyn St would then become the town\\''s entertainment and night life hub. The fate of Upper Mostyn St lays within the powers to be. The town could be further complimented with better parking, the rear of the Town Hall would be ideal for a multi-storey car park, hidden from view with several access routes to that vacinity. The Pier Pavilion site may also offer underground parking close to the promenade and many of the neighbouring hotels, with a building on top to compliment the resort.\r\n\r\nFor Tourism, Waffagolf rightly states, the town has lost its accommodation buffer, and would be unable to cope should its golden years return. Many small hotels, guest houses, holiday flats are gone and have transformed mainly into residential properties. Llandudno now offers a good selection of larger and medium hotels still catering for those who plan a lengthy stay, but sadly most our visitors come for weekend breaks or day trips, the days of seeing holiday brochures filled with hotel adverts to the brim are long gone, so have the tourists, much of the towns heritage, and attractions, from live entertainments, to steamer excursions, whether it is attributed to changing times or not is debateble, but on the tourist front, the town has made little progress in the last 50 years and concentrated all its efforts in retail.\r\n\r\nWhat cant be taken away from this town is its outstanding beauty, this is something either a day shopper or a holiday maker can appreciate, but has the town got the balance right? I think not, the scales are tipping, in favour of one, but not the other.'),
(2987, '
--- Quote ---Hi Mike,\r\n I\\''m sorry I don\\''t remember the comics but there are plenty that do !!!!\r\n
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\r\n\r\nThanx for the link :D \r\n\r\nAhh! The days of innocence!!\r\nIt\\''s a bit trite to remark &quot;It was all different back then&quot;; or &quot;Kids of today are exposed to all sorts of adult material far too soon, they don\\''t have time for that \\''Age of Innocence\\''; and grow up on a diet of tabloid pap&quot; - but somehow it that\\''s the way it seems to me!!\r\n\r\nI write as a father to a 29 year old - and a 6 year old!!'),
(2988, 'You know what scares me, and ok I\\''m a newbie to Llandudno but even so I love this town and its surrounding areas... \r\nIts the fact that so much of Llandudno\\''s heritage and history is disappearing faster and faster and it appears that the powers that be are happy to sit back and let this happen.\r\nBuildings and structures that played important parts in our towns history are being torn down and replaced with apartments, those that do remain are struggling to be maintained and yes the pier is included in this statement.\r\nSo much is being destroyed and the powers that be say they have the towns best interest at heart, are behind it all. Backing money making projects for themselves, that provide profits soley for their companies and ignoring the many who want to preserve and keep the soul of Llandudno alive.\r\n\r\nI can invision that in a short period of time, little will be left of the original Llandudno, the attractions that made the town what it was, the architecture, the landscape and the natural beauty that surrounds us.\r\n\r\nToo many people say " Oh well, but what can i do ?" If everyone says that and NEVER try to make a stand, no matter how small, and believe that  no matter what they say nothing will EVER be done, nothing will EVER change, then the powers that be will always get away with what they have been doing in past and recent years, well into the future.'),
(2989, '
--- Quote ---Have you seen this one?  :lol: \r\n\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdTQdaxzyU
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\r\n\r\nThanx Craig :) \r\n\r\nBut somehow this one didn\\''t do it for me :( \r\n\r\nSteam Traction Engines, and Organs seem in context of Llandudno\\''s heydey - but Star Wars Stormtroopers :?:   Didn\\''t quite get that one :!:'),
(2990, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---Have you seen this one?  :lol: \r\n\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdTQdaxzyU
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\r\n\r\nThanx Craig :) \r\n\r\nBut somehow this one didn\\''t do it for me :( \r\n\r\nSteam Traction Engines, and Organs seem in context of Llandudno\\''s heydey - but Star Wars Stormtroopers :?:   Didn\\''t quite get that one :!:
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\r\n\r\nYes but ladies and gentleman in victorian dress dont appeal to children, a little bit of something for everyone Mike, it\\''s only fair! :D\r\n\r\nI hear what your saying but, you cant turn someone down on the day who travels a hundred mile from down south spending a couple of hundred on accommodation, meals and gifts etc who then wants to play their part in the parade, then tell them to turn around and go home or, kindly leave the parade?\r\n\r\nPersonally, I enjoy the variety, seeing a few discrepencies during the Extravaganza gives it something different and something to look forward to each year.\r\n\r\nI wont distort the picture of this town or try tailor it to how people perceive the event. It\\''s just part of the mix.'),
(2991, 'I write as a 36 year old  :lol:  and I agree with you totally, children today have to grow up so fast, both mentallly and physically that they barely have time to be children.\r\nI can remember belting around the countryside when I was way,way younger, not turning up at home til it was dark ( mind you still do that now  :lol: ) I used to cycle for miles on my tod, and that included getting to work at a Riding School that was about 20 odd miles away, boy i was fit and healthy then !!!\r\nIts just not possible now, it would\\''nt be safe to do it. Although I have to admit Llandudno is much, much safer that where I used to live in Birmingham.\r\n\r\n( Lord I\\''ve just read that again and I sound so OLD  :shock:  I always swore I\\''d never say stuff like that ho humm never mind  :lol: )'),
(2992, 'I was up on the West Shore today, the statue is still in the same state if not worse.\r\n\r\nhttp://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/images/nrpAH/AHCONWY01515.jpg\r\n\r\nFull details here :\r\n\r\nhttp://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/AH/CONWY015.htm'),
(2993, '
--- Quote ---\r\n( Lord I\\''ve just read that again and I sound so OLD  :shock:  I always swore I\\''d never say stuff like that ho humm never mind  :lol: )
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\r\n\r\nDitto :!:  Ditto :!:  Ditto :!: \r\n\r\nBut U should worry - am 61 :!:  with a 6 year old :roll:  (Natural father to both kids mentioned above :shock: !!)\r\n\r\nBut you\\''re also right - I too used to take off on bicycle all around Llandudno - doing the Bryn Pydew, Mochdre, Rhos-on-Sea, Penrhyn Hill, Craigside loop on my own as a 12/13 year old.\r\nUsed to go Cross Country running (was on the JBGS team) up Conway Road and all around Gloddaeth Woods for training - back to JBGS, get changed, go home for tea.\r\nDoubt whether parents of today would allow their kids to do that in today\\''s (rather paranoid) climate.'),
(2994, '
--- Quote ---Hi Mike,\r\n I\\''m sorry I don\\''t remember the comics but there are plenty that do !!!!\r\nTry this link :\r\n\r\nhttp://www.comicsuk.co.uk/ComicInformationPages/Eagle1Pages/Eagle1HomePage.asp
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\r\n\r\nHi Kate\r\n\r\nThe real point of the post was to have recorded in this excellent forum - the fact that Llandudno was one of \\''the chosen resorts\\'' for those beach game venues. :D'),
(2995, '
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--- Quote ---Have you seen this one?  :lol: \r\n\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com
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DaveR:
(3009, 'Well i\\''ve been \\''out and about\\'' over the past few days, I had the pleasure of boarding the Balmoral Steamer at Menai Bridge (coach pickup at Llandudno) and thoroughly enjoyed myself as did many hundreds more who boarded her. Sailing down the Menai Straits enjoying splendid views as we past beneath both the Britannia &amp; Menai Bridges, docking at Caernarfon to pickup some more passengers and then continued to sail around Anglesey island, the weather held up throughout the trip. Anyone who has not had the pleasure before of enjoying an excursion like such, should definately do so, you wont be disappointed.'),
(3010, 'Nothing surprises me about the poor condition of this memorial, its a sign of how the town council approach has deteriorated over the last decade, even further than the previous decade!\r\n\r\nThe rates to the council keep escalating and the lovely look of the town that attracted so many tourists over the years continues to go in the opposite direction, less flowers, less lights, more sand, more potholes and more troublesome pavements.\r\n\r\nI used the link and became even more shocked when I saw how much has been lost to vandalism.  Lloyd George must be turning in hs grave!\r\n\r\nI would say LOL but its the council who should face eviction this week.\r\nEx-resident who visits the town less and less.'),
(3012, 'I\\''ve always maintained that Llandudno can keep it\\''s facade, but behind it, it can move with the times.\r\n\r\nI remember years ago when McDonalds wanted to open in Mostyn Street and councillors went mad trying to stop it (they did by the way), saying it was not the sort of premesis we wanted in our main street and would be out of character with the rest of the buildings.\r\n\r\nSo, I took along to a Planning Meeting a picture (which I will forward to Craig) showing McDonalds in York, and how it was in keeping with what York\\''s architecture is all about. Proving that these big companies can and will work in with the architecture of a town or city.\r\n\r\nCouncillors looked at the picture and asked where McDonalds was, and they were looking at it. I thought I\\''d made the point, but obviously not. See what you think when it\\''s up.'),
(3013, '
--- Quote ---Me and my tangents... sorry Mike  :oops: \r\n\r\nI wonder if it was The Reverend Marcus Morris that organised these events or Hulton Press who originally took on the comic ? Maybe of a combination of the two ?
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\r\n\r\nNow\\''t wrong with thi\\'' tangents, lass :) \r\n\r\nRe. local organiser - Dunno :!: :?:'),
(3014, 'Well guys it is great to see that there is a fair bit of interest in UBM.\r\n\r\nUnited Beach Missions started somewhere around 1950 when a group of students where asked by &quot;The Tin Tabernacle&quot; to come and help them with running &quot;something for the children&quot;. The Tin Tabernacle was an old corrugated iron church situated where the coach station now is, but which later moved to Queens Road church in Craig-y-Don. Incidently, they have just celebrated their 200th anniversary!\r\n\r\nThe Students where connected with a group called &quot;National Young Life Campaign&quot;. In the 1st year, headed up by Lance Pibworth and Verna Wright, who brought with them their friends at the Bedford NYLC branch.\r\n\r\nVerna and Lance had previously been on beach missions operated by another organisation, however they had wanted to share the message of the Bible not just with children, but with adults too. When They recieved the invitation to come to Llandudno from Horace Jones and Mrs Lloyd at&quot;The Tin Tab&quot;, it was the ideal opportunity to begin an outreach to the whole familly.\r\n\r\nCertainly by 1954 the name &quot;United Beach Missions&quot; had been adopted and the first red uniform shirts were being worn.\r\n\r\nWell UBM has grown since those first days in Llandudno, so that we now operate around 100 missions, with 1000 volunteers in 8 countries: England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, Belgium Spain and Italy.  Our message is still the same, that we can find peace with God through Jesus Christ and all our sins can be forgiven by trusting Him, but we have updated ourselves and our presentation a little. The uniforms have modernised, we have stopped using &quot;Auntie&quot; and &quot;Uncle&quot; in front of our names and we now call ourselves &quot;The Beach Team&quot;\r\n\r\nin 2007 we start the season at Llandudno on 23rd June and run for 10 weeks right the way through the summer. The community hymn singinging on the prom every night at 7.30 is still a unique feature of Llandudno, as is a daily Audio Visual presentation, &quot;Storys from Wales&quot; at 63 Church walks, next to the tram station. It is a fascinating insight in to how the Welsh language and culture have been preserved by the Bible. As ever, it is all free! Feel  free to pop in any time from 25th June onwards\r\n\r\nWe now operate under the name &quot;The Beach Team&quot; but our trade mark tug of war still happens every day at 2.30 followed by the same lively Holiday Special for the children, with families gathered around sitting on the steps of the prom.'),
(3015, 'Yes!  I certainly remember The Girl comic - used to get it every week :roll:'),
(3016, 'I can confirm that the statue in Gloddaeth Woods was damaged in a particular area, but I am happy to tell you that I have it on good authority he has now been restored to his former glory.  :P'),
(3017, 'Sunny Stories????\r\nBunty?\r\nBoyfriend?\r\nI remember these 3 best, but like Mike I am nearly 60, so it\\''s a long time ago !!'),
(13805, 'No, I\\''m not referring to Trojan\\''s aftershave :lol: but the smell that you\\''ll find in the road at the side of Wetherspoons (between Vollams and Wetherspoons). I walked past this afternoon and the smell of rotting food was overpowering, right the way along the road. Yuk!\r\n\r\nSC'),
(13806, 'There was also another cinder track that ran alongside the BT depot and ended up in Queens Road'),
(13807, 'Brilliant photos of the crossing and bridge nettle.'),
(3019, 'I remember Health and Efficiency!   :lol: \r\n\r\nThat would be really mild stuff today but was plenty then to give a young boy a thrill!    :shock: \r\n\r\nYabba, Dabba, Doo!   :P'),
(3021, '
--- Quote ---Well i\\''ve been \\''out and about\\'' over the past few days, I had the pleasure of boarding the Balmoral Steamer at Menai Bridge (coach pickup at Llandudno) and thoroughly enjoyed myself as did many hundreds more who boarded her. Sailing down the Menai Straits enjoying splendid views as we past beneath both the Britannia &amp; Menai Bridges, docking at Caernarfon to pickup some more passengers and then continued to sail around Anglesey island, the weather held up throughout the trip. Anyone who has not had the pleasure before of enjoying an excursion like such, should definately do so, you wont be disappointed.
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\r\n\r\nI knew you would enjoy it in the end!\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3022, '
--- Quote ---Nothing surprises me about the poor condition of this memorial, its a sign of how the town council approach has deteriorated over the last decade, even further than the previous decade!\r\n\r\nThe rates to the council keep escalating and the lovely look of the town that attracted so many tourists over the years continues to go in the opposite direction, less flowers, less lights, more sand, more potholes and more troublesome pavements.\r\n\r\nI used the link and became even more shocked when I saw how much has been lost to vandalism.  Lloyd George must be turning in hs grave!\r\n\r\nI would say LOL but its the council who should face eviction this week.\r\nEx-resident who visits the town less and less.
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\r\n\r\nMaybe we need to return to the idea of having a Llandudno Urban District Council to handle all local matters?\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3023, '
--- Quote ---Proving that these big companies can and will work in with the architecture of a town or city.\r\n
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\r\n\r\nOnly if they\\''re forced to, sadly, and maybe that\\''s the key. The McDonalds on the Mostyn Champneys retail park is a cheap and nasty looking place...but then again, so is the whole retail park!\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3024, '
--- Quote ---I can confirm that the statue in Gloddaeth Woods was damaged in a particular area, but I am happy to tell you that I have it on good authority he has now been restored to his former glory.  :P
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\r\n\r\nBet he\\''s relieved about that!  :shock: \r\n\r\nSC'),
(3025, 'Just read the Pioneer article online. Nice quote from you, Craig!\r\n\r\nAnyway, I still find it all a bit puzzling. Why did the cancellations take place so late - surely they must have been aware of the problem for some time? Are the repairs needed really so minor that they could have been done in a day or so if the council had agreed to foot the bill?\r\n\r\nSince it was such a lovely day again, I extended my afternoon stroll up to the end of the pier once more. There\\''s a lot of work going on there - the gangway down to the landing stage has now been recovered in a green non-slip material and there\\''s lots of men in high-vis vests wandering about. So why spend the money repairing the gangway when the landing stage can\\''t be used?\r\n\r\nMore questions that need answers...\r\n\r\nSC'),
(10985, 'Thank you for your help, everyone. Elizabeth'),
(10987, 'Great, sounds like a lot of you can make it so myself and craig look forward to meeting you all and for those who are unable to make it there will be plenty more opportunitys in the future.\r\nAs i have now moved to llandudno on a permanent basis i will now be able to assist craig in organizing these events more often so everybody can at least get to meet some other members at some stage. If there are any particular dates that people can think of especially those who dont live locally then contact either myself or craig and we will try to arrange something. There may even be a chance to get together at some point during the extravaganza festivities but this is still being discussed. \r\nThank You\r\nSarah'),
(10798, 'ahhhhhhhhhh.....\r\nit happened again!\r\nIm gonna spray LLANDUDNO on the road on the right hand lane when it goes dark lol'),
(10858, 'David Kyffin Rugby Union, Welsh schools &amp; Llanelli'),
(10800, 'Hi Karen n Derick  na you got the wrong lorraine i wish i could sing like lorraine evs but ime afraid the pub would empty if i tempted the theme from the titanic my voice is to deep but i do a mean Elton John so ive been told though i think there just trying to humour me :) I remember you from school Karen my sir name was then King.'),
(10697, '
--- Quote ---yep they were there alright even at 5 to 12 on friday night, the son started to serve after a while, chased me down the road one night, he wrapped my fish in his maths  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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\r\n\r\n :lol:'),
(3031, 'Not wishing to stir things but - I remember the time when every shopkeeper or resident of the town where I was brought up, cleaned the piece of land and pavement outside  of their property.    Not such a bad idea - or what do you think?'),
(3032, 'All we see are complaints about the Council and our Councillors.  Does anyone do anything about it?\r\n\r\nRecently I e-mailed every County Councillor about the proposed Library closures.  I was also pleased that out of the 59 I received about 10 supportive replies.  \r\n\r\nIf everyone who reads this Forum (or any other Forum) did the same, the Councillors would soon realise that there are people out here who care  and who are prepared to be counted.\r\n\r\nComplain here, but get double the impact by copying to every Councillor and also the Town Council at towncouncil@llandudno.gov.uk'),
(10698, 'An up-date.\r\n\r\nThe book is for sale in Lewis\\''s Book Shop, Madoc Street.  (Better known as Dafydd Hughes\\'') Its £7.99 and has a good introduction.\r\n\r\nThe author was a schoolboy during the war in Llandudno.  His parents had come with the Inland Revenue.  It is a cross between autobiog and a novel and deals with the emotions of young people growing up in a &quot;provincial town&quot; (their words) during the war. Spotted a few local references.\r\n\r\nI bought a copy and will read on hols.'),
(12346, 'I don\\''t know if anyones wandered around the grounds by B&amp;Q and Halfords, but the place is a right mess, it\\''s about time they clear up their act. The area was cleared several month back, but again its been neglected, i\\''d hate to think what visitors to the town think of this eyesore. As I understand it Savilles maintain the bulk of Mostyn Champneys, but Halfords and B&amp;Q run their own show.'),
(3038, 'Hi S.C.\r\nWas the last pic of the landing stage the one with the fishermen on taken at the same time as the other`s.'),
(3039, '
--- Quote ---  Used to go Cross Country running (was on the JBGS team) up Conway Road and all around Gloddaeth Woods for training - back to JBGS, get changed, go home for tea.
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\r\nJBGS Cross Country Team !!\r\n\r\nI knew that route very well indeed.  '),
(3044, 'Name - Names!!!!!!! :D'),
(3045, 'I agree we should return to a LLandudno Urban Council');
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(3040, 'The Tin Tabernacle it was where the cafe is now on the broadway  coach park.\r\nwe used to go to the holiday club  back in the 60s during the summer holidays always remember everyone throwing a shoe into a pile and then last one to retrive theres was out of the game,simple but it was great fun run by the most enthusiastic people who made sure you had a good time.'),
(3041, 'I remember coming back from an evening of fishing in angel bay in the 70s as we crossed the old quarry on way back there was a group of people al holding hand round a bonfire in various states of undress was quite funny watching them try to hide there faces still see one or two of them now when i come to town.'),
(3042, 'Its not like you `to stir things Adrian!! :roll:  but you do have some good points.\r\nI also remember shopkeepers doing that as well,but i also remember ,roadsweepers with carts,west shore boating pond being clean. craig -y-don paddling pool being open on all holidays.also prospective councilors , knocking on your door to discuss matters.\r\n\r\nBut sadly i think its going to be a long time (if ever) when these things happen again.\r\nHave you noticed ? the latest in words, are `no funds available` or `its not up to us `'),
(12347, 'any pics of it yet?'),
(12348, '\r\nSent in by Forum Member \\''Rosa\\'''),
(3047, 'Hi, Maureen, what an interesting story im fasinated by them now, please keep us posted'),
(3048, '
--- Quote ---Hi S.C.\r\nWas the last pic of the landing stage the one with the fishermen on taken at the same time as the other`s.
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\r\n\r\nYes, about a minute after the first ones. Why do you ask?\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3050, 'Yes, about a minute after the first ones. Why do you ask?\r\n\r\nWell i as just thinking if the problem was the landing stage then surely it would be closed to anyone for health and safety reasons at least.'),
(3051, '
--- Quote ---Yes, about a minute after the first ones. Why do you ask?\r\n\r\nWell i as just thinking if the problem was the landing stage then surely it would be closed to anyone for health and safety reasons at least.
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\r\n\r\nOh, I see. No, when I took the photos on Monday it was open for anyone to walk down onto it. Today, there were still a few people fishing off it but the entrance to the landing stage gangway was fenced off and a contractor was standing guard. Lots more materials and equipment have also appeared.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3053, 'On page 87 of Ivor Wynne Jones book \\''Llandudno - Queen Of Welsh Resorts\\'' the following appears:\r\n\r\n&quot;By 1891 the popularity of Llandudno was such that the land at the rear of the Tudno Castle Hotel was surveyed as the terminal site for a new line the Midland Railway Company proposed to tunnel through the Little Orme......"\r\n\r\nNow the Midland didn\\''t get into north Wales although it was a part owner of the Cheshire Lines Committee which got to Chester; this point being the nearest.\r\n\r\nI\\''ve asked about this on various railway enthusiast news groups with no success at all.\r\n\r\nDoes anyone know anymore about this scheme and what the planned route was?'),
(13804, 'Alphaline, I called at the  the Heritage Centre on Saturday and saw an article that you referred to. It was a report from the Liverpool Echo with a photo of the vehicle &amp; train. The article was dated 17/10/53 and said that James Williams was driving a Barlows Austin 12 coming from the Hospital to Dobinson\\''s Funeral Parlour when it collided with the train. It also said that the Liverpool Echo was the only paper covering the story.\r\nA friend told me that the incident happened when the train was coming out from between the tin sheeted buildings into Builder Street when it hit the vehicle. Apparently the vehicle was a hearse and the whole matter was hushed up because it was not certain whether a body was on board the hearse. Perhaps this was the reason why it was only the Liverpool Echo that reported the story.'),
(10988, 'That\\''s right, the old brickworks was were the scrapyard is today, although I only remember one chimney there. I believe they obtained the clay for the bricks from the old dump. I remember an old brickworks in the Junction too, which also became a scrapyard. I remember my Dad taking me there when I was young, to buy used spare parts for his cars.'),
(11152, 'Not sure where she is nowadays Egg. Sad about her Father though - it was a tough job on the bins before the plastic \\''wheel-yer-bin to the pavement or we don\\''t pick em up\\'' ones.\r\n\r\nSome shocking stories would be interesting - I\\''m a conniseur of shocking stories  :lol:'),
(11153, 'it might be mike paddock now but in the day he was dudley and people still know him that way lammy'),
(3058, 'Lol! These people think that the only way to get spiritual is to get naked! Adrianeagle, do I KNOW you??? Are you trying to out me? :wink:'),
(3059, 'I first visited N.Wales 12 years ago with a friend who I married in 1998, We had a second ceremony in the grounds of Padarn Country park in Llanberis. We suffered the Hiraeth for 12 long years, spending every holiday and spare weekend in the area. We felt that coming to the area was home and returing home to Northampton was a bad package holiday! So early last year we decided to take the plunge- we jacked our jobs in, sold the house and came up here. We chose Llandudno because of the potential job situation and it was a good move. We both found jobs within a few months, and despite having changed jobs at least 3 times each since then, we have finally settled. I am the manager of Llandudno\\''s Julian Graves store in the Victoria Centre- please feel free to pop in and say&quot;Hi!".\r\nI love this town- not because of the Victorian charm, the tourists etc. but because of the actual physical land. The Little Orme has become quite sacred to me and I visit nearly every week to spend a few hours on the slopes. I collect berries and flowers there too to make wine with (Gorse wine, BTW is great!) I like the fact that I can sit on the slopes and experience near silence- it is so awe inspiring! Llandudno is a friendly town, quiet in the winter, busy in the summer but you can always find a spot away from the madding crowds( a remote spot on the West shore side of the Gt Orme!).\r\nA little about myself- 35(although 18 on the inside and out), married 9 years, vegetarian, Pagan, singer/songwriter in local pagan folk band. I\\''m bubbly, yet passionate about my ethics and beliefs, intelligent(when I feel like it!),have a wicked sense of humour and comic timing and am considered to be mad by my staff at work. Life is for LIVING!\r\n\r\nHobbies- making Mediaeval/Renaissance/New Age clothes for myself, writing songs/poetry, walking the land and learning from it, arts and crafts, wine making, researching folklore and customs of the past, esp. in Wales.\r\n\r\nI hope this gives a little info.'),
(3062, 'DONATION RECEIPT BOOK No. 00002\r\nUSER: BERNARDETTE MUNRO\r\nAMOUNT: £28.95\r\nMETHOD: PAYPAL\r\nDATE RECEIVED: 06/07/07\r\n\r\nMany thanks, for your kind donation. If anyone would like to make a donation toward the Llandudno Enthusiast Group, please visit: http://www.olle.co.uk/donations.htm\r\n\r\n
--- Quote ---Hi Craig, I have just contributed to your fund  for Llandudno Enthusiasts which I think is just great considering you are all so young!!\r\n\r\nI am married to Alex Munro jnr, and have exceptional memories of the time I spent in Llandudno. We met when I was appearing at the Grand Theatre, then run by Mr. John Crese-Parsons, and Alex was working with his dad at the Happy valley theatre. In those days we were doing weekly rep and Alex and his dad were doing great business on the hill!! I\\''m sure they did better than we did with our Agatha Christies!!!\r\n\r\nWe emigrated to Australia in 1969 and this is our home now. I worked as an actress here and Alex did the clubs  and then joined Qantas from which he has recently retired. He has always been in touch with his sister Anna- Marie Munro and  as I write this is in the u.k. at the moment and will be visiting Llandudno in July..\r\n\r\nI have so many wonderful memories of Llandudno, Colwyn Bay, Betswy- coed, ( I\\''m sure I\\''ve spelt that wrong ) where we went to a bar to dance to Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band and thought we were really something else!!!\r\n\r\nThe 60\\''s have certainly gone but I wish you and your colleagues all the very best with your website, and the thought that younger people want to preserve some of the past is really uplifting.\r\n\r\nBest wishes to you all, Bernadette Hughson/ Munro
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(3064, '
--- Quote ---Hi Craig, I have just contributed to your fund for Llandudno Enthusiasts which I think is just great considering you are all so young!! \r\n\r\nI am married to Alex Munro jnr, and have exceptional memories of the time I spent in Llandudno. We met when I was appearing at the Grand Theatre, then run by Mr. John Crese-Parsons, and Alex was working with his dad at the Happy valley theatre. In those days we were doing weekly rep and Alex and his dad were doing great business on the hill!! I\\''m sure they did better than we did with our Agatha Christies!!! \r\n\r\nWe emigrated to Australia in 1969 and this is our home now. I worked as an actress here and Alex did the clubs and then joined Qantas from which he has recently retired. He has always been in touch with his sister Anna- Marie Munro and as I write this is in the u.k. at the moment and will be visiting Llandudno in July.. \r\n\r\nI have so many wonderful memories of Llandudno, Colwyn Bay, Betswy- coed, ( I\\''m sure I\\''ve spelt that wrong ) where we went to a bar to dance to Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band and thought we were really something else!!! \r\n\r\nThe 60\\''s have certainly gone but I wish you and your colleagues all the very best with your website, and the thought that younger people want to preserve some of the past is really uplifting. \r\n\r\nBest wishes to you all, Bernadette Hughson/Munro
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(13800, 'the railway siding in the gasworks ran from outside the dulux decorator center(boases cement shed) into a curve around the back of boases timber yard and the llandudno electric laundry,it did run under a tin roofed shed for a short distance,possibly to save soot blowing into the laundry.it then went across the cinder road through a yard belonging to the post office,this contained telegraph poles(jewsons yard),it then went straight along cwm road into the gas works past the ramp which led into the incinerator,it did have a small turntable  about a hundred yards  from the bend in cwm road now the rear  entrance to the new school.these small trains carried coal in and town gas by products out.one of these was tar oil which would leak out from the tap on the tanker if not closed properly,this would  be on the track on cwm road ,and as kids we would delight in getting on our shoes and then stamping footprints on the road.i remember the turntable because as children we played in the gasworks/incinerator plant mainly at  weekends and holidays and on one time a tragedy happended,a friend of mine fell in the pit that was under the table ,it was full of water and he drowned'),
(13802, 'Thanks for your help, Trojan.\r\n\r\nIt\\''s interesting to note the old road went past the old Schweppes building and the stone cottage is the same cottage that still stands on the site today.'),
(13803, 'Thanks for the update on the gasworks sidings Dwyforite, I was starting to think that I was just imagining what I had seen. There is no way that you could confuse that turntable with the Alexandra Road one as the Alexandra Road one was massive in comparrison. Sorry to hear about your friend though, it is a wonder that there weren\\''t more accidents there as we played in the Gasworks all the time.I was in the Heritage Centre in the Tabernacle on Saturday and saw an ariel photo of the Gasworks Siding Terminus taken in the 1950\\''s. You can see it in the Gwynedd Archives in Lloyd Street.'),
(3066, 'Can I just thank Graham Kneale for kindly joining the forum and sharing this insight with us, I will be popping along to see the Beach Team this year myself. If anyone has any questions they would like to ask Graham, i\\''m sure he\\''ll be more than happy to answer them.'),
(3068, '
--- Quote ---On page 87 of Ivor Wynne Jones book \\''Llandudno - Queen Of Welsh Resorts\\'' the following appears:\r\n\r\n&quot;By 1891 the popularity of Llandudno was such that the land at the rear of the Tudno Castle Hotel was surveyed as the terminal site for a new line the Midland Railway Company proposed to tunnel through the Little Orme......"\r\n\r\nNow the Midland didn\\''t get into north Wales although it was a part owner of the Cheshire Lines Committee which got to Chester; this point being the nearest.\r\n\r\nI\\''ve asked about this on various railway enthusiast news groups with no success at all.\r\n\r\nDoes anyone know anymore about this scheme and what the planned route was?
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\r\n\r\nYes, that is a bit odd. After all, Llandudno Station had opened in 1858, so you would have thought another railway into Llandudno would not have been viable?\r\n\r\nSC'),
(6497, '
--- Quote ---Just been speaking to my auntie and she said that she has seen one or two snake on and around the orme and also late in the evening a family of owls last time she was down any one else seen owls and if so do you know where the best place to spot them is? also what about bats is there any where that you could go to spot bats in the evening?\r\nSarah  :shock:
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\r\n\r\nBats Bats Bats , ah yes, well the Little Ormes is very good for bat spotting. Also a very good spot is Haulfre Gardens just after sunset, Elephants Cave or just behind it. Best I have seen though is a small cave behind a house at the junction of Tan y Bryn Road and Nant y Gamar Road. Only thing is, its not really a place to sit around and rest etc.'),
(3073, 'hi wortmistress, where is your shop in the Victoria Centre, cant place it, is it called Julian Graves and what does it sell?'),
(14322, '
--- Quote ---Probably it is being replaced by British Rail or today\\''s eqivalent.  Council will only be involved with Police in road closures and diversions.  Maybe if you contact the Highways or Legal Departments they could help.   :?
--- End quote ---
\r\nIf it\\''s a railway bridge over a road, then its Network Rail\\''s responsibility. As it\\''s a road bridge over a railway, then it is the Council\\''s.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(14323, 'Thank you for putting me on the correct track!   :lol:'),
(13798, 'Even though I was born in bangor I consider Llandudno my home town as its a great place, a lot of my family history is here and its just a part of me.'),
(13799, 'Here at the shop we use alcohol (not the drinking kind ) and a large cotton cloth we ball up to avoid pressure on the screen.\r\nMost screen wipes have some alcohol content but we found them too small (and expensive) to continue using.\r\nFor the Kim and Aggie cleaning types read\r\nhttp://www.wikihow.com/Clean-a-Laptop-Screen-With-Household-Products\r\n\r\nthe trick is to ball the cloth to avoid smears.'),
(3074, 'Julian Graves is opposite Peers Jewellers and flogs herbs and spice and all things nice.  A fascinating place to go. It also sells nuts and nibbles, spicy sauces and my favourite Pontefract cakes!   :D'),
(3075, 'Some extra info that I\\''ve just found in Christopher Draper\\''s Walks From Llandudno book:\r\n\r\n&quot;Shimdda Hir Estate. Before the main house was built in 1880, there was a farmhouse on the site. It appears that the farmhouse was remodelled to give the appearance of a \\''Gentleman\\''s Residence\\''. \r\n\r\nOver the years, the estate has varied in size from 10 to 30 acres but all of the land and buildings are now in separate ownership.The Shimdda Hir cottages were originally built in 1880 as staff accommodation, for the coachman and gardener respectively. \r\n\r\nWhitbread PLC purchased the main house in the late 1980s."\r\n\r\nI\\''d have said that the original farmhouse was demolished and rebuilt completely - unless you know of any older looking bits of the building that are out of public view?\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3076, '
--- Quote ---  Yes, that is a bit odd. After all, Llandudno Station had opened in 1858, so you would have thought another railway into Llandudno would not have been viable?\r\n\r\nSC
--- End quote ---
\r\nAm i right in believing the first train ran from Conwy to Llandudno because Llandudno Junction was not open at the time?'),
(3077, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---  Yes, that is a bit odd. After all, Llandudno Station had opened in 1858, so you would have thought another railway into Llandudno would not have been viable?\r\n\r\nSC
--- End quote ---
\r\nAm i right in believing the first train ran from Conwy to Llandudno because Llandudno Junction was not open at the time?
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nI didn\\''t know that and, according to Wikipedia, you\\''re absolutely right:\r\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llandudno_Junction_railway_station\r\n\r\nI always thought the Junction station was older than Llandudno but the present Junction station wasn\\''t opened until 1897.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3078, 'I understand from today\\''s Weekly News that the application for lottery funding was unsuccessful.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(11154, 'so thats where your red jacket came from trojan  :lol:'),
(11155, ':) I remember them having a teachers v pupils netball match at one time, Mrs Davies, Mrs Butterworth and then this young looking skinny girl came running down the drive who no- one recognised at first.  It turned out to be Sister Imelda without her habit she looked so different and must have been a very young teacher.  Cant remember who won though!'),
(11156, 'He will always be Dudley to me :wink:'),
(11157, 'Don\\''t forget Eddie Nzxyckzqxzi (or something like that) from Conway - played for Chelsea and who is still I think on their coaching staff (we wont hold it against him) at the time he and Neville were the top young keepers in North Wales (although I still say I was better than both of them put together)!!!!!!!!!\r\nCheers\r\nDerek'),
(11158, 'Just checked up on Eddie, he\\''s now at Blackburn as first team coach.\r\nCheers\r\nDerek'),
(11161, 'Does any one agree that we need a crossing between currys and venue cymru, swimming pool. It is dangerous with parked cars, bus stops and cars pulling out of Mostyn Champneys.'),
(13794, '
--- Quote ---Just out of interest, which members of the forum here collect postcards as a hobby?
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nI collect postcards of Old Colwyn, some tram ones - and those of areas relating to my family history.'),
(13795, 'It was in the news a week or so ago. 25,000 people are to be sent a letter about illegal downloads that have been detected on their computers. Court action and unlimited fines are the potential risk.\r\n\r\nIf you have a son, daughter or a computer &quot;expert&quot; chances are they have at one time or another dabbled with downloading software or entertainment items for free. \r\n\r\nIf you see a programme called Limewire on your computer or Bittorrent or anything else with &quot;torrent&quot; in the name, be worried.\r\n\r\nWe see so many computers with viri/spyware on them thanks to such software. You are in effect leaving a back door to your computer wide open when you use such software. If you use your computer to buy things online using your bank details or a card, you are very open to fraud.\r\n\r\nBring your computer in if you are unsure and we can help!'),
(13796, 'Hi K-Team,\r\n\r\nNow I was wondering if there was an art to cleaning laptop computer screens? Yes you can buy those wipes etc but they just seem to leave smears, how can you keep your screen looking like as new as when you first took that plastic wrapper off?'),
(14324, 'I would be cuffed too by my Dad if he had  known, cuffed around the ear because he worked there.       :oops:'),
(13793, 'We understand, we really do! Software is expensive and its really tempting to let that friend of yours with that dodgy disk loose on your computer.\r\n\r\nConsider this though, we all know deep down its illegal and wrong. Its theft pure and simple! However, many people do not realise that genuine software benefits from updates that improve your multimedia experience and enjoyment of your computer. Microsoft in particular have an item of software called Genuine Advantage Tool and it will check if you have a genuine copy of Windows before installing updates and improvements.\r\n\r\nRun it here\r\n\r\nhttp://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=f89b6508-bf26-4a5e-84eb-11c35a249d7a&amp;displaylang=en\r\n\r\nIts well worth running for your peace of mind! It typically takes no more than five mins to do.\r\n\r\nOf course it will come as no surprise that Microsoft software is the one people want to use. Its the most popular for a good reason!\r\n\r\nSo, the best thing to do is use alternative, legal software rather than Microsoft Office if you are unable to buy the genuine item. We recommend Open Office as an alternative. We also do genuine Microsoft products at reasonable prices and make sure you get all your licenses with the purchase.\r\n\r\nWe are able to advise and assist with such issues.\r\n\r\nIn short going the dodgy route is going to prevent you getting the full use of your software as well as being theft. Its just not worth it. These companies are not stupid and people are getting caught!'),
(3084, '\r\n09/06/07 - Royal Sovereign at Llandudno Station\r\nCopyright © Craig Ollerton - Llandudno Enthusiasts\r\n\r\nAnyone else spot it?'),
(3085, 'The very first station at Llandudno was a very small affair, probably just one platform.  In 1863 it had the first of many enlargements. between 1869 and 1872 the platform (note still not plural) was further extended and a run round loop put in.\r\n\r\nIn 1873 the branch from the junction became part of the LNWR and the track was doubled by 1876.\r\n\r\nAround 1860 the physical junction at the Junction was remodelled so that trains from the Colwyn Bay direction could run to Llandudno without reversing.  Prior to this the junction faced Conwy and travelling from Colwyn Bay to Llandudno involved changing at Conwy.  \r\n\r\nThe Junction station seems to have been rebuilt at least twice. The first (opened 1860) was actually at the junction of the tracks (and adjacent to the Conwy road level crossing that some may remember) and the second (opened 1897) is the one that exists today further east.\r\n\r\nIn the latter part of the nineteenth century there was almost continual development of the tracks both at the Junction and Llandudno itself reflecting the rapid growth of the town for tourism.\r\n\r\nIn 1890 Llandudno station was completely rebuilt on a much larger scale.  This had five platforms and was opened in 1892.  Much the same station that we can remember.'),
(3087, 'Thanks for that SC and John.\r\n\r\nMy interest on this railway line stems from my great, great grandparents living in the cottage by Maesdu Bridge on the 1861 census and staying there for quite some time.\r\n\r\nIt seems they had the task of opening and closing the railway gates there to allow the steam trains through.\r\n\r\nAs a result, members of our family developed the nickname CROSSING which successive generations manage to inherit.'),
(10983, 'There were workmen inside the old Glynns Quality Foods shop today. Quite what they were doing, I\\''m not sure.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(10984, 'SC, they have been there since Wednesday.'),
(3089, 'Where was the royal though?'),
(3094, '
--- Quote ---Where was the royal though?
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nI only spotted it as I was going for the train back home, apparently Prince Charles and Lady Camilla were somewhere around.'),
(3091, 'I wonder if it had anything to do with this.\r\nVirgin Trains leads Europe with biodiesel train\r\nSir Richard Branson and Gordon Brown are today launching Europe’s first biodiesel blend train in scheduled passenger service – the 11:27 from London Euston to Llandudno, North Wales.\r\n\r\nIn advance of the launch the Chancellor of the Exchequer said: “I want Britain to be a world leader in the development and use of environmentally-friendly fuels, and I believe they will play a fundamental part in our efforts to reduce emissions and tackle climate change. I wish Virgin every success with these pilot schemes and I look forward to hearing the results.”\r\n\r\nThe train is the first in Europe to use a practicable blended fuel which can significantly reduce CO2 emissions. The Virgin Trains trial is a major step in a national biodiesel programme, conducted by Virgin Trains, the Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC) and the Rail Safety &amp; Standards Board (RSSB), to pioneer a sustainable fuel breakthrough for the rail industry.\r\n\r\nAs part of a national trial, Virgin Trains will run one of its Voyagers on a 20 percent biodiesel blend. Sir Richard explained how this can help reduce emissions: “This is a pioneering step we’re taking. If the trial is a success – and we believe it will be – and we can convert our Voyager fleet to run on B20 biodiesel we could cut our CO2 emissions by up to 14 percent*. This means 34,500 tonnes less CO2 being emitted into the atmosphere each year, and is equivalent to taking 23,000 cars off the road. Government wants to see a reduction in transport’s carbon dioxide emissions, and Virgin and the rail industry are at the forefront. We’re starting with 20 percent biodiesel and hope to increase this amount to 100 percent in the future which would potentially see 100,000 cars off the road.”'),
(3093, 'I would be interested to ask how the attendance figures have fared over the years, especially with the kids - is it still as popular today as it was ten years ago.  I think it\\''s a fantastic show they put on down at the beach and I\\''d just like to say thanks for the refreshingly positive work they\\''ve been doing all this time.  I\\''d also like to make a quick confession:  when i was 9 and sitting there, the boy next to me did something good that prompted the team to throw a sweet at him.  I stuck my hand out in front of the boy and caught the sweet.  I\\''m really really sorry (i was a terror)'),
(6480, '&#9679; Llandudno\\''s first Grammar school was located in Cwlach street. Origionally the building was a Welsh chapel, having been built in 1837, and is now a residence. Australian Prime Minister (1915-1923) William Morris Hughes was educated at the Grammar school.\r\n\r\nSHARE YOUR FACTOIDS AND SNIPPETS HERE!'),
(3097, '
--- Quote ---Julian Graves is opposite Peers Jewellers and flogs herbs and spice and all things nice.  A fascinating place to go. It also sells nuts and nibbles, spicy sauces and my favourite Pontefract cakes!   :D
--- End quote ---
Pop in love and have a chat!'),
(3098, 'Yeah, they were on Anglesey apparently. As an environmental bunny, I was eager to see this train but was selling pontefract cakes instead!(LOL)'),
(13791, 'Creating hot air?'),
(13792, 'Win Antivirus 2008 and 2009 are not what they appear to be!\r\n\r\nIt is NOT there to help you.\r\n\r\nIt is NOT free.\r\n\r\nIt is NOT safe to use.\r\n\r\nIts a malicious programe that has caused a great deal of stress and concern for our customers. We have seen dozens of computers infected with this software.\r\n\r\nMany people have seen the software and have either tried to remove it using downloadable software or have decided to pay the monies requested by Win Antivirus out of desperation. This is a real mistake.\r\n\r\nWe have looked at most of the tools for removing Win Antivirus and have found them to be links to software that you need to pay for. Its a catch 22 situation. If it does work, it will in itself become a hassle to have on your computer and most often will make your computer slow.\r\n\r\nWhat we recommend is if you have become infected with this software, the best and most economical thing to do is to have a reload of Windows. This will dramatically speed up your computer as well as fixing untold annoying niggles caused by Windows needed a reload. We offer a backup service to protect your valuable data, pictures, documents or what ever you need backing up. \r\n\r\nOnce done we will provide free antivirus and antispyware software (that will not charge you, hassle you nor make your computer really slow) on the computer that will go a long way to prevent re-infection. Though we must stress that the rule of common sense does apply! Do not click or accept dubious offers! :wink:'),
(3100, 'Hi \r\nI\\''m new to this forum, I was wondering if anyone had any info/pics on the old synagogue, particularly the interior. \r\nThanks\r\nNattydread'),
(13790, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---Thought I had seen some droppings yesterday, ..........as it comes colder at night they will be wandering along Abbey Road and Church Walks eating everything in sight. They can be an absolute pain during the winter if you are trying to grow any sort of hedging except Rosemary...... they hate the taste of that !
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nWhere does Rosemary live?  :|
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\n\r\nNext door to Primrose and across the road from Violet !! :D'),
(6990, 'Most roundabouts have mains electricity anyway, to supply the illuminated signs, so solar power is not really needed in most cases. In addition, the cost of the batteries to store the generated electricity would be prohibitive.\r\n\r\nLED illumination is highly efficient, with a typical diode generally having a life of 50,000 hours+ and having a 90%+ saving on electricity consumption when compared with a conventional bulb. The only drawback is the very high purchase cost when compared with conventional lighting but this will come down as LEDs become more of a mass market product.\r\n\r\nI don\\''t know if anyone\\''s noticed but a lot of traffic lights now use LED clusters instead of bulbs.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3104, '&#9679; &amp; SHUS (SHOES) - www.andshus.com\r\n&#9679; ALPINE TRAVEL - www.alpine-travel.co.uk\r\n&#9679; ARCH MOTORS - www.arch-motors.com\r\n&#9679; ATHLETES FOOT - www.theathletesfootshop.co.uk\r\n&#9679; ARCH MOTORS - www.arch-motors.com\r\n&#9679; BERNARDS GALLERY - www.benards-gallery.co.uk\r\n&#9679; BRIAN DAVIES ESTATE AGENT - www.bdahomesales.co.uk\r\n&#9679; CAMBRIAN PHOTOGRAPHY www.cambrianphoto.co.uk\r\n&#9679; COLLECTORS CORNER LLANDUDNO - www.collectorscornerllandudno.co.uk\r\n&#9679; CLARE\\''S DEPARTMENT STORE - www.ustores.com/clares.aspx\r\n&#9679; DAFYDD HARDY ESTATE AGENTS - www.dafyddhardy.co.uk\r\n&#9679; DESIGN-2-PRINT - www.design2print.co.uk\r\n&#9679; FISHING TACKLE - www.llandudnotackle.com\r\n&#9679; GOTT &amp; WYNN INSURANCE BROKERS - www.gottandwynne.co.uk\r\n&#9679; GREAT ORME BREWERY - www.greatormebrewery.co.uk\r\n&#9679; JAMES PAYNE - www.jamespayne.co.uk\r\n&#9679; KINDWAYS COMPUTERS - www.kindways.co.uk\r\n&#9679; KLEAN &amp; GLEAM DOMESTIC - www.ovenklean.co.uk\r\n&#9679; LLANDUDNO MUSIC - www.llandudnomusic.co.uk\r\n&#9679; LLANDUDNO SMOKERY - www.llandudnosmokery.co.uk\r\n&#9679; LLANDUDNO WHOLESALE - www.llandudnowholesale.co.uk\r\n&#9679; M HUGHES &amp; SON - www.m-hughes.co.uk\r\n&#9679; MERRYMOON GIFTS - www.merrymoon.co.uk\r\n&#9679; NIGEL ROBERTS NEWS - www.nigelroberts.co.uk\r\n&#9679; NORTH MENSWEAR - www.northmenswear.co.uk\r\n&#9679; PADDY\\''S BAIT &amp; TACKLE - www.paddysbaitandtackle.i12.com/shop.html\r\n&#9679; SILVER GEM JEWELLERY - www.jumalajewellery.co.uk\r\n&#9679; SMITH &amp; WYPLER ESTATE AGENTS - www.smithandwypler.co.uk\r\n&#9679; SNOWDONIA CYCLE HIRE - www.snowdoniacyclehire.co.uk\r\n&#9679; STERLING ESTATE AGENTS - www.sterlingestateagents.co.uk\r\n&#9679; SUSAN POOK PHOTOGRAPHY - www.susannepook.co.uk\r\n&#9679; THE BEAR CENTRE - www.sewingandhandicraft.co.uk\r\n&#9679; THE CUSHION SHOP - www.thecushionshop.com\r\n&#9679; THE GIFT COMPANY - www.giftcompany.net\r\n&#9679; X-POSE CLOTHING - www.x-pose.biz\r\n&#9679; QUICKPRINT - www.quickprintdigital.co.uk\r\n&#9679; ROBBIE HOWARTH - www.robbie-howarth.co.uk\r\n&#9679; VICTORIA CENTRE - www.victoriacentre.net\r\n&#9679; VOLLAMS NEWSAGENTS (JIGSAW SHOPPING) - www.jigsawshopping.co.uk'),
(3106, 'Hi - I am in Llandudno every weekend and I\\''d love to live there, just need to get a job that pays something like what I get now, and I don\\''t need to speak Welsh for, not likely!!! It\\''s a lovely area to be that\\''s for sure. Helps me escape the rat race of Liverpool that I have to endure Monday - Friday  :lol: \r\nI also ride at Aberconwy Equestrian Centre every weekend too.'),
(3107, 'I saw the article in either the Weekly News or the Pioneer'),
(13603, 'What\\''s your favourite alcoholic beverage?\r\n\r\nHas your drinking habits changed over the years?\r\n\r\nWas your\\''s a Babycham, or did Double Diamond work wonders for you?\r\n\r\nA pint or a half, a single or a double, share your boozing habits here - but don\\''t get into trouble!\r\n\r\n'),
(3109, 'I believe Prince Charles was with his Mum the day before down at the National Assembly in Cardiff and probably stayed over.\r\n\r\nMy guess is he flew up to RAF Valley and the Royal Train arrived in Llandudno to simply take him and his missus back home !!'),

DaveR:
(3111, 'Does anyone remember the cafe that was at the back of the Palladium? which is now Witherspoon\\''s, used to go there on Sat mornings for a brekkie to clear my head.  :oops:'),
(3112, 'I remember the cafe well. I used to work in the old market hall in those days, when the Fire Station was there too. I think the cafe was owned by a guy named Tony, but I can\\''t be certain.'),
(3113, '\r\n\r\nWatch out everyone, it\\''s that time of year again!!!'),
(3114, 'I bought something from you on ebay  :D'),
(3115, 'I saw in the paper that he\\''s been doing a mini-tour of Wales. \r\n\r\nSC'),
(3116, 'As far as I can tell, the gate in the centre of the pic was once the original way into the Egyptian Hall:\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nSC'),
(14026, 'Funny place to build flats!but I;m sure they\\''l b snapped up at some ridiculous price  even next door but two to a funeral directors :!:  :roll: I currently work at the designer warehouse round the back of the market so have visited there many a time and have picked up a bargain or two :!: quite sad its going :cry: even when the rest of the market had closed up the lady from the cafe was sat outside refusing to go til she got what she was owed in compensation,hope she got what she deserved :)'),
(14027, 'Being close to Tom Owen\\''s could be useful for some of the more aged population of the town!   Would save transport costs and be eco friendly as far as emissions are concerned!    :lol: \r\n\r\nScot free so to speak!   :D \r\n.'),
(3119, '
--- Quote ---Yeah, they were on Anglesey apparently. As an environmental bunny, I was eager to see this train but was selling pontefract cakes instead!(LOL)
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nAnd it was me wo was probably buying them.\r\n\r\nNot too interested in Charles and Camilla - they cost us too much money!   Nothing against Royals just wished they weren\\''t so extravagent.  :lol:'),
(3121, '\r\nc1990 - Robins Cafe, Lower Mostyn Street\r\nCopyright © Waffgolf - OLLE Forum Member / \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts'),
(3122, 'Seems strange to see it with the road right outside - how quickly we forget how things were.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3124, 'I have some guests who are curious as to the origin of the other churchlike building in St Tudno\\''s or more correctly the Great Orme Cemetary. Having been nosy in the past and peered through the crack in the door it appears to be used to store bits and pieces like old wheel barrows etc. It seems rather ornate  to have been built just to store old bits in, so does anyone know it\\''s original use?\r\nThanks'),
(3125, 'I\\''ll add my congratulations for Frank. I\\''m surprised there\\''s no mention of his drumming achievements too.'),
(3126, 'I do not know the answer but will put forward a possible solution.\r\n\r\nIn the Middle Ages when St Tudno\\''s was first built and then later repaired, the Master Masons and their Craftsmen would have had a Rest room or &quot;Lodge&quot; where they would keep their tools and plans.  This &quot;Lodge&quot; would also be used for rest, taking meals and teaching the apprentices the Craft of Masonry.\r\n\r\nThe Lodge would also be used for the various ceremonies associated with the granting of their various qualifications or &quot;degrees&quot;.  There were no paper certificates in those days as very few could even read or write.  Consequently the craftsmen would &quot;prove&quot; their qualifications by using special &quot;signs&quot;, &quot;tokens&quot; and &quot;words&quot;.\r\n\r\nThis is very similar to the symbolic Masonry of modern Freemasons who take &quot;degrees&quot; and demonstrate their &quot;qualifications&quot; by using (possibly) the original signs, tokens and words of these ancient free masons.\r\n\r\nI may not be correct as far as the building is concerned but I hope I have put forward an acceptable theory!!'),
(6344, '
--- Quote ---Wasn\\''t the Pied Piper routine from the Peggy Wood school of dancing? My sister was a rat! We would practice in the Esplanade hotel twice a week and once a year there was a big &quot;Dancing Display&quot; at the Arcadia. The dance teachers were Peggy Wood, Joyce Rooshe (sp?) and Mrs Dwyer on the piano. On the big night in the Arcadia we also had a man on the drums who would play with a ciggie in his mouth for the whole show
--- End quote ---
Your exactly right, it was Peggy Woods, i went to both dancing schools, my memory isn\\''t as good as yours, great fun being a rat though!'),
(3128, 'Interestingly enough, in my younger years I got a job as a Sexton at St Tudno Church, now before you all start giggling it isnt a naughty word, it\\''s basically a church officer in charge of maintenance of the church buildings and/or the surrounding graveyard, or to put it bluntly a \\''gravedigger\\''  :D \r\n\r\nI only ever lasted a day, but blimey some of the things I saw! I wont go into detail. :? \r\n\r\nI dont remember the Church being used in my time, unless I surpassed it.\r\n\r\nKeep digging everyone!  :lol:'),
(3129, 'Back in February Life\\''s a Trip posted about the Lazar family and a 1966 advert for their store. She wrote:\r\n\r\n&quot;Lazars was the `in\\'' store in those days, and I knew Terry and Marcia Lazar quite well."\r\n\r\nMr Joseph Lazar was well known to my Dad; they were both in Round Table together. Sadly, Dad died in 1986 and I think Mr Lazar did not long afterwards. As children in the early 1960s, my sisters and I used to visit the Lazars, but I don\\''t remember Terry and Marcia, except their names, and Mr Lazar only dimly. \r\n\r\nJust wondered if they are still around, and what happened to the store?\r\n\r\nT'),
(3130, 'I recall Sumners having two cafes - one in Rhos-on-Sea that was transferred to new ownership and name not too long ago. Much earlier (early 1970s, I recall it) there was a cafe not far from the present Billy Lal\\''s, which had a rather quaint eating area in the basement. A lot of older people seemed to make use of it, and even as a callow youth then it did not seem that it would last too long. \r\n\r\nDoes anyone recall this, and what happened to it?'),
(3131, 'hi, it was the Bluebell cafe.'),
(6235, 'Thanks again Welsh1.  :D  Sorry to hear that Karen  :cry:'),
(6236, 'hi, that is so true LOL'),
(3133, 'The store in Madoc Street is now a catalogue shop and has been for many years.\r\n\r\nI believe Joe Lazar’s widow, Vicky, now lives in London.\r\n\r\nVicky Lazar is a former Mayor of either Llandudno or Aberconwy and Joe was a Past Captain of Llandudno Maesdu Golf Club.\r\n\r\nAmazingly, I received an e-mail in 2004 from one of the son’s Mike Lazar, who I think also lives down in London and I have just found that e-mail for you.\r\n\r\nI would probably think Mike is now around 55 or 56 years of age.\r\n\r\nIf you are keen to make contact with Mike Lazar and possibly his mother, please send me a pm and I shall gladly send you Mike’s e-mail address and you don’t know it may still be operational.   \r\n\r\nP.S. - Like your late father, I am a former member of Llandudno Round Table but I didn\\''t join until the early eighties. :D  '),
(3134, 'Hi Nattydread\r\ni`ve got some photos of the outside of the synagogue, but i dont think i`ve ever seen any pics of the inside.\r\nI was the caretaker of the place for approx 14yrs,so i know a bit about it.\r\n\r\nThe one before that ,was in upper Mostyn st, Llandudno.'),
(3135, '
--- Quote ---Hi Nattydread\r\nThe one before that ,was in upper Mostyn st, Llandudno.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nWas that the doorway just to the right of the old Kavern Records shop?\r\n\r\nSC'),
(13788, 'One good thing it will never be sold and turned into a wine bar or a bistro, you can still have a game of pool and a game of darts unlike a lot of the pubs in the town now. It might not be everyone\\''s place to go but it\\''s still goin and the locals that go there have for years. Each to their own say I :D'),
(13789, '
--- Quote ---There are also concern\\''s by swimmers over the pool\\''s \\''unisex\\'' changing rooms, with regard they could be misused by paedophiles or perverts.\r\n\r\nApparently, the unisex changing facilities have been designed to include seperate female &amp; male changing areas and also some individual private shower areas, so swimmers can choose where to get changed - the unisex or the same-sex area.
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\r\nDont agree with this at all, my daughter her friend and mother went swimming for the first time and said she was very scared when getting changed, dont really see the point in it, male and female changing rooms only you need.'),
(3137, 'I worked at Lazars for approx 15yrs, until he sold it to the catalogue co.\r\nJoe Lazar sold the company so that he could retire &amp; have more time to help his son Michael,who is now in a wheelchair &amp; lives in London.\r\n\r\nI remember when he told us that he had sold up.he was very upset about it,but thought that the time had come to retire,but he had arranged for the new company to keep on as many of his staff as possible.\r\nThe irony of this, is that the night before he was due to sign over the company, he gave us a party in the Imperial hotel, A chance to celebrate with him &amp; to meet our new bosses,\r\nEarly the next morning i had a call from Mrs Lazar to go up to the Annexe as Joe had had a stroke.\r\nUnfortunately he died.\r\n\r\nI must add that the Lazars, where the best people i`ve ever worked for.'),
(3138, 'Yea i`de forgotten about that one.as well as the tables by the counter, It used to have a little place inside ,down about 3 steps ,like a small cellar, with a couple of tables in.I also forget the owners name.\r\nWhen i used to work in Brierleys, we used to go in there for ham &amp; cheese  rolls for our break, &amp; he would be behind the counter with a fag in his mouth making them up,&amp; we used to watch the ash getting longer &amp; hoping it woudn`t drop onto our rolls,he would also be scratching his head or poking his ear.\r\nWe still used to go there every day though.'),
(3139, 'Just to add, the 12 acres of limestone grassland across the road from the Craigside Inn was also owned by the Holden family and was donated to the North Wales Wildlife Trust in 1994 upon the death of Miss Holden.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(13786, 'Ive seen loads of them running down Abbey Road towards St Davids Hospice and in front was the biggest male goat ive ever seen im sure he will be a regimental mascot one day..'),
(6988, 'Not really a Tramspotter, but would like to know more about why they stopped since people are wishing them back.'),
(6989, 'The Tramway company had no money and couldn\\''t compete against the rival bus service. Obviously, the bus service had far lower costs, as it had no tracks to maintain. The cost of continually repairing the sea wall at Penrhyn Bay was also a factor.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3143, 'he would also be scratching his head or poking his ear. \r\n\r\nOk if you had egg sandwiches !!!!!!!!!!! :D  :o  :roll:'),
(3144, 'Lazars was great, you could buy all the latest fashions there like Wrangler jeans and pay weekly'),
(3145, '
--- Quote ---I wander what happened to the car.......lol
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nLooks like Peugeot 205 GLD - in fact it could be my late Mother in Law\\''s\r\n\r\nbut I could be wrong.'),
(3146, 'Thanks everyone :) \r\n\r\nI\\''ve just been talking to my Mum on the phone about the Lazars, and she told me the sad story that Mr Lazar died just as the business was about to be transferred - a major shock. Dave, she thinks this was before 1986 - do you recall the date? What happened to the shop when the new owners took over?\r\n\r\nGosh, I\\''ve opened a seam of memory!\r\n\r\nTL'),
(3150, 'Yes it was up by Kavern. I you stand by the `London pub` &amp; look across the road, you can see the windows with `the star of David on them`.\r\n\r\nIT may be the `Masonic hall ` now ,but i dont know.\r\nThere is a plaque in the Synagogue in Church Walks saying when it moved up there,but i forget the date.'),
(3151, 'IT may be the `Masonic hall ` now ,but i dont know.\r\nThere is a plaque in the Synagogue in Church Walks saying when it moved up there,but i forget the date. \r\n\r\nIt was in the masonic hall.\r\n\r\nLlandudno &amp; Colwyn Bay Hebrew Congregation\r\nLlandudno, Conwy, North Wales \r\n\r\nUpdated 10 May 2006\r\nCongregation Data\r\n\r\nName: Llandudno and Colwyn Bay Hebrew Congregation\r\n(formerly the Llandudno Hebrew Congregation until the merger of the two congregations) \r\nAddress: 28 Chalk Ways, Llandudno LL30 2HL \r\nFormer Address: Masonic Hall, Mostyn Street, Llandudno \r\nTown Location: Llandudno is a seaside resort, with a population of about 20,000, on the coast of North Wales.  \r\nLocal Government: From 1996 - the county borough of Conwy - a unitary authority\r\n1974 to 1996 - the district of Aberconwy in the county of Gwynedd\r\nUntil 1974 - the urban district of Llandudno in the county of Caernarvonshire \r\nCurrent Status: Active \r\nDate Founded: 1905 \r\nRitual: Ashkenazi Orthodox \r\n\r\n\r\n.'),
(3152, 'SnakeCorp&quot;]As far as I can tell, the gate in the centre of the pic was once the original way into the Egyptian Hall:\r\n\r\nYou could enter the old amusments that way.'),
(3153, 'Hi i`m sorry i cant remember the exact date,but the `Kays` the catalogue company took it over.\r\nThey used to buy established places like `lazars` because they had old loyal customers. \r\n\r\nWhat they did ,was to fill them with the returns from the catalogue`s &amp; unsoled items or end of lines, &amp; sell them cheaply.Imust say it worked very well, \r\nWhat amazed me, was that if they could make a profit ,selling for half the price,how much do they make on the full price ?\r\n\r\nLazars wasn`t a shop, it was an institution.'),
(10504, 'thanks for the list. very interesting :)'),
(3156, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote --- Charles Payne was well acquainted with TV stars such as Jess Yates and Hughie Green.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nAnd that is yet another story to be told!
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nCould this be it? - Or just part of it?\r\n\r\nThis is copied from another post under another thread (Beatles at the Odeon) - but seems relevant on this thread (hope you don\\''t mind Craig) \r\n\r\n&quot;My parents bought \\''Mayfair\\'' (11, Deganwy Avenue) from Jess Yates in 1946. Jess Yates was for many years the supposed father of Paula Yates - who went onto marry Bob Geldorf; then leave him for Michael Hutchinson (Australian heavy metal rock star she met whilst hostng \\''The Tube\\'' TV show); he dying by misadventure type suicide strapped by his neck to the back of a hotel bedroom door in his native Oz; she of drugs OD in London; she left one child as an orphan, and at least two other, rather strangely named, girls as motherless; Bob Geldorf has yet to change the world in Africa\\''s favour. It later came out (after DNA tests?) that her natural father was in fact Hughie Green. \r\nI understand that subsequent owners of \\''Mayfair\\'' have had a (rather naff) blue plaque put up by the front door!! (Talk about trying squeeze the last acid drop out of a lemon!!)"'),
(3157, '
--- Quote ---Blimey, thats a shame, I wouldnt know where the original sargents was located, i\\''m not old enough to remember &lt;chuckles&gt; :D\r\n\r\nCraig.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nThey where by the traffic lights in the 50\\''s. Our first tele came from Sergents.'),
(3162, 'I searched for a Llandudno related place on net.');
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(3163, 'A friend of mine lives on top of N-Y-G and she said about 15 year ago a book was written about the landscape, inc. archeological finds. I believe it was written by a Mr Dibble/Dibbell/Dibbel- anyone heard anything?'),
(3159, 'When I had a summer job working for Paynes they had two bake houses in Masonic Street.'),
(3160, '
--- Quote ---hi, it was on Council Street West
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nCabin Confectionary started of in Bretton Street.'),
(3161, '
--- Quote ---I can certainly remember taking my daughter along.  :lol:
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nYep I went, Llandudno lost out when they  started holding them in Colwyn Bay and Rhyl.'),
(3164, 'Last year I bought a nice sarnie from M&amp;S, celebrating my new job, when I was trounced by a seagull. Now only did it half inch my yummy sarnie, it took off with my glasses! After frantically searching for them, I fumbloed my way home, popped in my contacts and stomped to Asda, muttering revenge all the way, to purchase another pair. The experience left me shaken as I thought I was being attacked(well I was!).\r\nAlso we have a pair of seagulls outside our apartment- the male we call&quot;Gammy&quot; because his foot is deformed. We think that last year and this year their egg hatching/laying attempts have been futile as we haven\\''t seen the result, they desert the nest and Gammy keens outside in the afternoon and 4 am. Needless to say, a jumbo sized water pistol is looking very tempting right now....'),
(3165, 'Yeah! It must be a catch 22 situation being royal, being forced to contribute to carbon footprint, world hunger etc, yet wanting/trying  to be an eco-bunny..'),
(3166, 'hi yes  I think thats what Suepp meant when she said the back of Clifton Road then it moved to Council Street West.'),
(3167, 'Yeah, Ben Shermans too!'),
(3168, 'hey, wasnt it Officer Dibble? lol sorry coundnt resist!!'),
(3169, 'I thought that was the way into the old amusements too (down lots of steps)'),
(13785, 'I heard she\\''s been training to work part-time at the Trident Nuclear Warhead Laboratory.  :lol: \r\n\r\n'),
(3171, 'Just to put the record straight, Frank Ash IS the District Commissioner.'),
(3172, 'Hi all,\r\n\r\nMy book and the e-book concept are being featured on BBC Radio Wales this Sunday. It was recorded during my visit to Ysgol Gwynedd in Flint last month. All the details are on my website.\r\n\r\nBBC Radio Wales &quot;mousemat&quot; programme, Sunday 10th June 5.00pm.\r\n\r\nHere\\''s a link to the BBC about it. Don\\''t forget the book is available in CD form from Llandudno Tourist information.\r\n\r\nhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/radiowales/sites/mousemat/updates/20070610.shtml'),
(3173, 'The Synagogue was definitely not in the Masonic Hall.  The Masonic Hall was purpose built as such and certain carving in the building would certainly not be conducive to the Jewish Faith.\r\n\r\nI think you will have to search back in the old records to find the location of any old Synagogue in Upper Mostyn Street.'),
(3174, '
--- Quote ---I thought that was the way into the old amusements too (down lots of steps)
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nIt was certainly the entrance to the old amusements but the Egyptian Hall was in existence around 1910, a long time before the amusements opened.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3175, 'NANT-Y-GAMAR Historical and Social Survey by Kenneth Dibble\r\n\r\nHe also wrote:\r\n\r\nRHIWLEDYN AND LITTLE ORME Historical and Social Survey \r\nBODAFON AND PANT-Y-WENNOL Historical and Social Survey \r\n\r\nSC'),
(3176, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---  Was that the doorway just to the right of the old Kavern Records shop?\r\nSC
--- End quote ---
\r\nSC, you are not getting confused with the Masonic Hall, are you?
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nYes, quite possibly! So where could the synagogue have been then?\r\n\r\nSC
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nWas it not above barclays bank before it moved to Upper Mostyn Street.'),
(3177, 'And me - 1938 to 1949 - when I became a Cwm Place tribesman. :twisted:'),
(3178, 'There was, I dont know if still is, a synagogue I think in Knowles road in west shore.\r\n\r\n(edited)\r\n Its the Jehovah witness place I was thinking of.'),
(3197, 'That is more than likely there has been a lot of diferent uses in the basement.\r\n may have been the old entrance to the baths.'),
(3198, '
--- Quote ---Very slightly off-topic but what was the Kavern Records shop (underneath the Masonic Hall, I think) used for originally?\r\n\r\nSC
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nIt was a garage at one time with petrol pumps outside think it belonged to kellys'),
(6621, 'They were probably Tony Elliott\\''s teeth  :lol:'),
(3179, '
--- Quote ---NANT-Y-GAMAR Historical and Social Survey by Kenneth Dibble\r\n\r\nHe also wrote:\r\n\r\nRHIWLEDYN AND LITTLE ORME Historical and Social Survey \r\nBODAFON AND PANT-Y-WENNOL Historical and Social Survey \r\n\r\nSC
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nSounds interesting, anybody found it for sale anywhere?'),
(6987, '
--- Quote ---Do you know exactly why the Trams stopped? Did it stop in one town before the other? Was it expense? or maybe a decision of car over tram? Just wonder why we should bring it back, when somebody decided to get rid of it, was it really a bad move?
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nWell I watched the documentary on the trams, there was a combination of factors really, crosville came in with their buses which proved more popular at the time, and the lack of investment caused all kinds of problems, the track was in exceptionally poor condition in parts. Theres a lot of exhibitions going on at the moment on the trams, I think theres on in the museum on the 8th &amp; 9th September if you want to learn more about them.'),
(3181, 'The only place I\\''ve seen them so far is online at www.abebooks.com\n\r\nIf you do an authors name search on Kenneth Dibble, they all come up.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3182, '\r\n2007 - Pant-y-Wennol Cave &amp; Cottage\r\nCopyright © Craig Ollerton, Llandudno Enthusiasts'),
(3183, 'Hello Sue.\r\n\r\nI\\''ve found Ancestry to be the most complete of the on-line family history sites but I use it sparingly on the pay as you search basis.\r\n\r\nWhat I\\''ve found most effective is to buy the CD copies of the relevant censuses. I get mine from https://www.genealogysupplies.com/ mostly around £15 - £16 per set. Good value when you consider that each set is 4CDs upwards. Once you\\''ve got them you can browse at your leisure and they\\''re always to hand. Another site worth trying too is www.northwales bmd.org.uk\r\n\r\nThe era I\\''m currently looking at is that covered by the 1841/51 censuses. And although the first full census in 1841 is sparse on information, it is still fascinating to look at the make-up of families and the occupations of the time. It is history not exclusively focussing on the elite as academics usually do.\r\n\r\nLooking at Welshpool at that time one entry unashamedly and straightforwardly puts her occupation down as \\''prostitute\\''. But reading a new book review today(Decency and Disorder, The Age of Cant 1789-1837, Ben Wilson) there is a suggestion that because \\''fallen women\\'' were afforded special care to reform them, many youngsters claimed they were \\''prostitutes\\'' to gain social attention and welfare.\r\n\r\nAdditionally, I found the on line \\''old maps\\'' sites indistinct so I bought a couple of Cassini historic maps and wonderfully, there are all the obscure township names from the censuses (absent from modern maps) in clear detail - delineating exacly where the addresses I\\''ve logged as possibilities are. Next step is a trip to seek out local information on the spot.\r\n\r\nI\\''ve also joined two family history societies, Worcestershire (for Stallard origins), and Mongomeryshire where the Joneses came from - Llanwyddelen and Llanfair Caereinion. They have been immensely useful and supportive. Well worth doing.\r\n\r\nIt\\''s gratifying too, how a picture of the times gradually emerges from fragmented snatches of information. I\\''m faced with what seems at first to be a completely daunting task - that of tracing a Jones who married a Jones in Wales. However, in two small village communities in rural mid-Wales in 1841 and 51 I\\''ve been surprised at a majority of English names      \r\nand relatively few Joneses. Searching the marriage indexes too becomes simpler because the incidence of Jones marrying Jones is rare.\r\n\r\nWhile I\\''m on this saga, it would be interesting to see how many subscribers to the OLLE forums are part of my extended family. I\\''ve said elsewhere that my Great Nain and Taid moved from Welshpool to live in Llandudno in the 1870s. They quickly found a home in Back Madoc Street and their children were (all Joneses): Evan; Jack, Sarah Jane, Anne, Lucy, Rose (my Nain), Mary, Maggie, and Elizabeth (Betty).\r\n\r\nThey all had families of their own, some, like my Nain, Rose Jones (Stallard), huge families who had huge families themselves. One of the well known Joneses from this vast tribe married Miriam, who became Miriam yr Ogo (because they lived in cave on the Orme) and founded the \\''Rogo dynasty, including Ted and Johnny, well known fishermen (Ted has a plaque to his memory on the Prom). I\\''ve been trying to persuade my older cousin Davy, who has a comprehensive knowledge of Miriam and a lot of material, to join OLLE and write Miriam\\''s story here.\r\n\r\nEnough, enough - I\\''m off to buy an angle grinder before I get nagged daft!\r\n\r\nMike.'),
(3185, 'I would like to share this pic with you of Alex making a presentation in LLandudno Youth Centre to winners of the local Subuteo Tournament that was played there. Brothers Paul and Brian Lane proudly receiving their trophies.\r\n\r\n'),
(3186, 'See PANT-Y-WENNOL topic in the ASK A LOCAL section, i\\''ve put some recent pictures up taken only the other day whilst out with Kate.\r\n\r\nLINK: http://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewforum.php?f=1&amp;sid=e54a675656631016310fabdd29357201'),
(3187, 'Im not sure if that gateway and the surrounding fence were the origanal as most were removed in the 40s for the war effort.\r\nPlus i still remember the entrance was by the old ice cream kiosk the kiosk was built on the top step with the rest running down below into the bowels of the grand theatre.'),
(6645, 'You mean you actually lost an eye Dave?'),
(6646, '&#9679; There have been alot of famous visitors to the town some none of us no matter how old or young we are will remember these include...\r\nCharles Darwin and his close friend John Price. \r\n\r\n&#9679; Napoleon III, his empress Eugene, Bismarck, Disraeli, Gladstone, Churchill, Lloyd George and John Bright, who all stayed at the St George\\''s Hotel at various times\r\n\r\n&#9679; Lewis Carroll (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) in 1862 and arguably when visiting Dean Liddell at Penmorfa.\r\n\r\n&#9679; Matthew Arnold in 1864, who found that all interests are here - Celts, Romans, Saxons, Druidism, Middle Age, Caer, Castle, Cromlech, Abbey, - and this glorious sea and mountains with it all.\r\n\r\n&#9679; Queen Elisabeth of Romania (Carmen Sylva) in 1890, who gave us the town coat of arms inscription\\'' Hardd, Hafan, Hedd\\'', \\''Beautiful Haven Of Peace\\''.\r\n\r\n&#9679; Queen Rambai Barni of Siam in 1940, exiled from her country\r\n\r\n&#9679; Randolph Turpin, who took over the Great Orme Summit Complex in 1952.\r\n\r\n&#9679; The Duchess of Kent in 1960 visiting Llandudno hospital.\r\n\r\n&#9679; The Queen in 1963, the first reigning monarch to visit the town on the Occasion of the National Eisteddfod.\r\n\r\n&#9679; We must not forget  The Beatles in 1964, as a relatively unknown pop group when they played at the then Odeon.\r\n\r\n&#9679; The Prince of Wales and Princess Anne, when the Royal Yacht \\''Britannia\\'' anchored in the bay in 1969.\r\n\r\n&#9679; The Duchess of Kents daughter, Princess Alexandra, in 1970, visiting Llandudno hospital.\r\n\r\n\r\nSHARE YOUR FACTOIDS AND SNIPPETS HERE!'),
(3189, 'There was, I dont know if still is, a synagogue I think in Knowles road in west shore[/quote]\r\n\r\nIsn\\''t that The Kingdom Hall? (Jehovah\\''s Witness)'),
(3191, 'The Star refers to the Masonic tradition of the masons that built King Solomon’s tomb and the founding of the differing degrees in freemasonry. The Street behind the Masonic lodge in above the old Kaven Records is Masonic Street I believe suggesting it’s been there a while, although the Capri in Church Walks was also a lodge at one time.\r\nThe only Jewish religious building that I am aware of is on Church Walk net to St. Georges Church although I believe it is more than just a synagogue.\r\nHope it helps'),
(3192, 'Where shall we keep digging ? books or grave Richard? :lol:'),
(3193, 'I\\''ve seen some old postcards that show that pathway in use for something since the very early days of the Pavilion. Maybe the simple answer is that there were two entrances into the Egyptian Hall?\r\n\r\nThe railings and gate you see in the photo date from the 1990s when that path was widened to allow for demolition equipment to access the Pavilion site. But, if you look in the bushes just to the right of the photo, you\\''ll see the original ornate cast iron railings, dating back to 1884.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3194, '
--- Quote ---Intersting to note in Olli\\''es interesting piece on cinema\\''s in Llandudno which mentioned St. George\\''s Hall, Mostyn Street, but where was it exactly?\r\n\r\nThen we have the St. George\\''s Hotel and 2nd Llandudno St. George\\''s cub pack and scout troop, so what\\''s the connection with Llandudno and why?  Was it purely patriotic?  I know we always went on parade on St. George\\''s day when I was in the cubs, perhaps they still do?\r\n\r\nWas the deal to establish the town by Edward Mostyn and Owen Williams perhaps signed on St. George\\''s day?  If not when was that date and shoud it be celebrated as Llandudno Formation Day?\r\nGareth\r\n\r\nPerhaps it has something to do with the Welsh Dragon!\r\nGareth
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nJust found out the answer to the St. George question! It was going to be the name of the town, had the plans to establish the railway terminus/harbour in the bay gone ahead.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(6986, 'Do you know exactly why the Trams stopped? Did it stop in one town before the other? Was it expense? or maybe a decision of car over tram? Just wonder why we should bring it back, when somebody decided to get rid of it, was it really a bad move?'),
(3200, '
--- Quote ---I\\''ve just found these great photos of the interior of the Grand Theatre, taken in 1986, just as work was beginning to convert it into the Grand Revivals Nightclub:\r\n\r\nSC
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nGreat photo`s there, keep them safe. :-)'),
(6619, 'Sadly Stan Anton passed away. He was in bad health for many years. His son David did/does provide a Toastmaster service to functions. David worked on the refurbishment of the Grand Theatre when Jeff Duckenfield had it.\r\n\r\nStan was a B.E.M. and a \\''Charter Member\\'' of the Lions Club of Llandudno. If I remember rightly the formation of the club in our town was his idea.\r\n\r\nStan lived in Alexandra Road by the bridge. I worked with him on many occasions. He was a great guy and a wonderful Toastmaster with a great sense of humor.'),
(3205, '
--- Quote ---Interestingly enough, in my younger years I got a job as a Sexton at St Tudno Church, now before you all start giggling it isnt a naughty word, it\\''s basically a church officer in charge of maintenance of the church buildings and/or the surrounding graveyard, or to put it bluntly a \\''gravedigger\\''  :D \r\n\r\nI only ever lasted a day, but blimey some of the things I saw! I wont go into detail. Anyway I only lasted the day!  :? \r\n\r\nI dont remember the Church being used in my time, unless I surpassed it.\r\n\r\nKeep digging everyone!  :lol:
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nThey still have open air services there, I know that much.'),
(3206, 'HI Mike, i might be related to you, my taids mother was called Maggie Jones and came from Glanwydden (read you earlier post about a Maggie who settled there) do you know if the farmer she married was called Hughes? , i know my family is somewhere down the line related to the Stallard distantly?'),
(3207, '
--- Quote --- Just to put the record straight, Frank Ash IS the District Commissioner.
--- End quote ---
\r\n In that case, then first contact must be with the CEO of St. John Cymru. '),
(6249, 'They may have been Harbour Porpoises which look similar to Dolphins and are common in the Northern Hemisphere. It\\''s hard to tell the difference unless you get a close look.'),
(3209, 'Hi Mike, thanks for that advice, at the moment I\\''m finding Ancestry the best source as my searches are worldwide. I\\''ve also had a few hits on A2A.org.uk  the National Archives website.\r\n\r\n
--- Quote ---And although the first full census in 1841 is sparse on information, it is still fascinating to look at the make-up of families and the occupations of the time. It is history not exclusively focussing on the elite as academics usually do.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\ntotally agree!'),
(3210, 'Back in the 60\\''s Seagull nesting in town was becoming a problem - not just the pinching of food, but their droppings were a continual nuisance to all and sundry.\r\n\r\nIn an attempt to drive them out of town and back to their more natural nesting sites on the Ormes I believe one year LL.U.D.C. (as was) hired in a firm of air rifle \\''specialist\\''s\\'' to shoot out the eggs of nests sited on buildings.\r\n\r\nDon\\''t recall it being particularly successful.\r\n\r\nOther advice of the time, if my memory serves me, was if you were able to gain access to a nest on a building - then. whilst parent birds were away, to prick all eggs with a needle.\r\nEggs wouldn\\''t hatch; parents would never use that site again.'),
(3212, 'Latest news on our Newsletter...'),
(13362, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---Beachnut or Beachmint I think ????
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nBeech-nut!
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\r\n\r\n\r\nYes thats right,well done i remember the colour of the wrapping now.\r\n\r\nta ..mike'),
(13363, 'I remember in the 50\\''s a gang of us from Cwm Place would sometimes go &amp; play on the dump. There was a large pond on the tip &amp; we would make a raft and paddle around in the water. I can never remember anyone falling off the raft into the water, thank goodness.  In the wintertime we would go to skate on the ice on the pond and try &amp; avoid the bodies of dead animals that had been frozen in the ice.'),
(13364, 'Somebody on Flickr told me about a website which had a few old photos of Llandudno in 1961 on it. Here\\''s one example:\r\n\r\nhttp://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/results/detail.do?query=llandudno&amp;page=1&amp;pagesize=20&amp;display=thumbcap&amp;action=search&amp;pnum=P12149\r\n\r\nIf you click on the \\''llandudno\\'' tag on the page, it will show you the rest. Nothing too thrilling but a nice record of a period which we don\\''t see that many photos from\r\n\r\nSC'),
(13365, 'I lived in Cwm Place before Tre Creuddyn was built and remember the shops getting built as I lived immediately behind them. The shops I remember were Vernons Butchers, Mrs Thomas Grocers, Mr L Fitton newsagent &amp; sweet shop,  Hughes the Green Grocers and Mr De Koning who had a fish &amp; chip shop.  I have a vague memory of a fir in  the fish &amp; chip shop  &amp; the fire engine arriving.'),
(13366, 'They\\''re good quality too, considering they were taken 47 years ago.'),
(4714, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---Well, I know what you mean, but I think people are more safety conscious these days, certainly less tolerant and more wary about accountability. Back then it was taken for granted that children would roam the streets, and you could do so fairly anonomously. \r\n\r\n I do think that the volume and speed of today\\''s traffic poses the worst threat to children out and about.
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\r\n\r\nTotally agree,  children have lost out big time, we used to scan the back alleys and fly-tipping areas for pram wheels, a plank of wood, rope and nails and we had a formula one go kart, the races we use to have, dont know why I am still alive.
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\r\n\r\nCut out half a plastic drum, drill two holes either side and a piece of rope, and slide down cwm mountain on the steepest slops. Thats what we used to do. GREAT FUN! :D\r\n\r\nAnother one, put a carrier bag underneath you and ski down Nant-y-Gamar in the snow! :D'),
(4713, '
--- Quote ---I also worked for Aunty Olwen with the donkeys, we brought them down from the farm on the orme every morning and traipsed al the way back at the end of the day, no wonder Olwen stayed so fit and healthy. I also worked in a cafe/posh chipshop next door to the library with my friend jill Parry, what a laugh we had every day, but for the life of me I cannot remember what it was called.Can anyone help me out
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\r\n\r\nI used to walk them up to cwm mountain that was bad enough at end of the day.\r\nWas it cabin cafe near the library is that the  Jill Parry from maesdu rd.'),
(3215, 'Trams in Gloddaeth Street in the early 50\\''s.'),
(3216, 'They would\\''nt of had so many people booking the boat trip if the public had known in advance, it was\\''nt going from Llandudno Pier but from Menai Bridge.\r\n\r\nPerhaps that\\''s just me being a suspicious ole bag but I have a sneaky feeling that that is the truth.'),
(3220, '
--- Quote ---They would\\''nt of had so many people booking the boat trip if the public had known in advance, it was\\''nt going from Llandudno Pier but from Menai Bridge.\r\n\r\nPerhaps that\\''s just me being a suspicious ole bag but I have a sneaky feeling that that is the truth.
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\r\n\r\nI think you could well be right, Kate. Let\\''s hope it all gets sorted out for next year\\''s sailings.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(4812, 'Do you remember the door to door sales people? The local veg man? Pop man, even the video man. I use to love the corona man who came around, It was Mr wharfe I found out years later, we certainly did our bit to keep him in business, there were several fruit and veg men about, I know them by sight only, a smallish man with a big blue van, you would get some quality stuff from him. We had several video men. God we watched loads.'),
(3228, 'Thanks AE your reply could have some truth in it-- said guests have now departed, but were very interested in your theory.\r\nThere is a service every week out doors at this time of year by the main church(-- not the building in question, )using the outdoor pulpit. Indoors if wet !\r\nI will do a bit more research and post any further info.'),
(6466, 'I have just received consent to use some video footage belonging to John Lawson-Reay of the floods, i\\''ll be making this available here soon. Can I thank John for his kind permissions to let us use this on our site. I\\''m sure many memories will come flooding back when you watch it!'),
(3229, 'Looking for LLANDUDNO BOOKS? we now have a comprehensive selection of rated books via our website. Please note books are subject to availability. For every book you purchase we will receive a small donation from the seller which will go toward our fund.\r\n\r\n                         \r\n\r\nCLICK HERE FOR LLANDUDNO BOOKS:\r\nhttp://www.olle.co.uk/books.htm\r\n\r\nIf a book is unavailable, simply check back again soon.'),
(3224, '
--- Quote ---They would\\''nt of had so many people booking the boat trip if the public had known in advance, it was\\''nt going from Llandudno Pier but from Menai Bridge.\r\n\r\nPerhaps that\\''s just me being a suspicious ole bag but I have a sneaky feeling that that is the truth.
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\r\n\r\nIts quite true, the pier didn`t have the problem overnight, and the steamer made no effort to change the ad in the papers.'),
(4609, '
--- Quote ---My information is that his older sister married Martin Edwards, former Chairman of Man Utd, and that is their home immediately is below the shelter built in his memory.\r\nI shall be very interested to learn how much truth exists in that story!!!
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\r\n\r\n
--- Quote --- have heard that Martin Edwards has a home on Llys Helig Drive, so that part is certainly true, I think.
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'),
(3230, 'Hello NWCPL.\r\n\r\nAlways good to find a new relative.\r\n\r\nAs a child I very dimly remember visiting &quot;Auntie Maggie Pentre&quot; (as she was known to us) in Glanwydden. A lovely woman peers through the mists and I think I\\''ve actually got a photo of her somewhere. I don\\''t know anything more about her family - her husband was hidden away somewhere! I already have a huge family tree recorded and would welcome more info for it (the intention is to eventually set up a website).\r\n\r\nMy cousin Joe Stallard (Davy\\''s younger brother) married Maggie\\''s granddaughter Jean. I\\''m a Stallard, my Mam was Madge.\r\n\r\nMike.\r\n\r\n :D'),
(3226, '
--- Quote ---Today is the fourteenth anniversary !!
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\r\n\r\n\r\n
--- Quote ---bri roberts\r\nToday is the fourteenth anniversary .\r\n\r\nExtract from the trams for that dayJune 10th 1993 brought exceedingly heavy rain that caused major flooding over a wide area. Flooding on the Orme was extensive and much of the flood water was channelled down the tramway, down Old Road and through the Victoria Station.  W. Hocking &amp; Co. Ltd of Cardiff returned to help reinstate the damaged track and the tramway was able to re-open on July 2nd..\r\n\r\nExtract from my diary for that day.\r\nFlooded out again twice in 3 years.\r\n\r\nNo one seems to remember that in craig y don we were flooded out in 1990 only then it was not rain it was sewarage water that hit cae clydd we had about 18&quot; in our house still not as high as the 3 foot in 93.
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--- Quote ---Official Welsh Water Board figures at the time, estimated that between 4pm and 7pm on June 10th 1993, around 500,000 million gallons of rain water fell over Llandudno and the surrounding area, half of which came in my house.
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--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---Today is the fourteenth anniversary !!
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\r\n\r\nI take it, it is the flood that your referring to?  God time sure does fly. To think that with all this lovely hot weather, the forecast has been thunderstorms, though I think we will escape it again. This is where people should upload their flood photos on the site.
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'),
(8927, 'I\\''ll see what I can find when I put the Christmas trimmings away this weekend! Which thread should I post them in?\r\n\r\nGareth  :)'),
(13783, '
--- Quote ---Thought I had seen some droppings yesterday, ..........as it comes colder at night they will be wandering along Abbey Road and Church Walks eating everything in sight. They can be an absolute pain during the winter if you are trying to grow any sort of hedging except Rosemary...... they hate the taste of that !
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\r\n\r\nWhere does Rosemary live?  :|'),
(3236, 'hi Mike, can u remember did she have a shop?'),
(8304, '
--- Quote ---Is it where NFU is now? Augusta st in the background? building in the middle the Albert?
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nYou\\''ve got it! The small island with the horse trough would be to the left just out of sight. Looks like a post-box on the pavement in Augusta St which isn\\''t there anymore. There was a N.A.F.F.I. where the R.O.A.B. Club is situated now.'),
(8303, '
--- Quote ---Is it where NFU is now?
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\r\nApologies for changing the subject but the NFU moved out of Llandudno and over to Abergele a while ago.\r\n\r\nThe building is now occupied by a local hearing aid company who have since gone national.\r\n\r\nDoes anyone remember where the NFU Mutual used to be in Llandudno before they moved into Trinity Square during the sixties.'),
(8306, '
--- Quote ---Another memory reminiscent of the WWII eira may be that of another topic already in our forum, that of the Tre-Cwm prefabs.\r\n\r\n\r\nc1950 - Tre-Cwm Prefabs\r\n\r\nOur historian Richard Sutton tells us of the prefabs, they were built because of the overflow of people from Manchester and Liverpool during the second world war, because they were being bombed, and they moved the women and children over to places which were not being bombed such as places like Llandudno. To house them, some people were put into hotels, or with family relatives, for those who had neither of these, were put into prefabs (pre fabricated homes) which were designed to last about 5 years maximum. When the war ended the government were broke, people that were in the prefabs stayed in their and they become a permanent residents. The prefabs outlived their short lives and stayed with Llandudno for another 20 years. There was such a pressure to get rid of them, they were eventually knocked down and 4 blocks of flats were built over them.
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\r\n\r\nDuring WWII, many of the prefabs had Anderson bomb shelters outside. They were made from galvanised corrugated steel panels and housed six people. They were issued free to all householders who earned less than 250 pounds a year. When the war ended people used them as garden sheds or coal houses. Most residents of the prefabs burned coke to heat their homes which they obtained from the electricity generating station a short distance away down Maes-du-road. You can see the station and it\\''s chimney to the left of the prefabs in the photograph. When the new flats (now demolished) were built the old prefabs were used as storage buildings for the builder\\''s materials until they were demolished in the mid 1960\\''s.'),
(8301, '??'),
(6984, 'I just did a price comparison:\r\n\r\nNormal GLS bulb: 22p\r\nGLS LED Equivalent: £12\r\n\r\nMight explain why the council hasn\\''t switched the promenade strings of lights over yet!\r\n\r\nSC'),
(6985, '
--- Quote ---I just did a price comparison:\r\n\r\nNormal GLS bulb: 22p\r\nGLS LED Equivalent: £12\r\n\r\nMight explain why the council hasn\\''t switched the promenade strings of lights over yet!\r\n\r\nSC
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\r\n\r\nThere are some features that could incorporate solar powered lighting, say for instance if there were some solar panels on a few of the roundabouts, I am sure I seen some recently, it was either on a roundabout near the rhyl seafront, between woolies and the sun centre, or maybe on some of the garden bits by Colwyn Bay Railway station, I think it was rhyl though. As for white lights, you only have to look at the junction flyover roundabout at xmas, looks way cool with all the white lights on the trees.'),
(8302, '??'),
(8305, 'Taken from Marcus Toyne\\''s memoirs. Marcus moved to different locations as a child during the war. His father was in the Home Guard in Morcambe before they moved to Llandudno.\r\n\r\n&quot;In 1943 we moved to another seaside resort, Llandudno this time. The authorities having decided in their wisdom that my father could have a crack at Death Duties for a change. It was while we were in North Wales that the Americans started to arrive and we kids learnt to approach these exotic giants with the time-honoured greeting of, \\''Any gum, chum?\\'' As a seasoned aficionado of Saturday morning pictures, I couldn\\''t get enough of listening to those marvellous honeyed accents. So they really did speak like that over there! I was intrigued, if mystified, by their antics with local girls amongst the sand dunes, but my parents seemed reluctant to let me look too closely. No such embargo was placed on watching a ship sail by Great Orme\\''s Head towing a peculiar load, a load which later turned out to be a section of Mulberry Harbour&quot;.'),
(8300, '??'),
(8297, 'Is it where NFU is now? Augusta st in the background? building in the middle the Albert?'),
(8298, 'I\\''ve heard through the grapevine that Rhyl could be getting a pier? Can anyone shed any light on this, any snippets/gossip?'),

DaveR:
(3246, 'Well I don`t know if I was lucky or unlucky, I had just come out of Hospital, was housebound for a while, and was left holding the baby while my wife went to work cleaning in the hospital annexe. My mum phoned frightened as the rain water wa reaching the top of the front step, she lived in Ffordd Morfa, just behind Craig. My wife only just managed to get home, the wate was like a rapid river on maes du. However I lived in Maes Y Cwm, an end house so I was lucky that the water ran down the side of the house. Across the way water was coming down from the fields infront of cwm mountain and straight through the houses. My mum ended up being lifted in to a boat by my brother who was going from house to house on the estate. She ended up living with me for several months. We lost a lot of stuff in th efamily house, specially photo`s. Very sad for loads of people in Llandudno. I remember it never stopped a load of people fleeceing insurance companies though.'),
(10849, 'thanks for continuing the topic , would welcome female sportwomen also and any children too'),
(4616, 'They would be better off cutting down on expenses. There are no need for lavish dinners etc.'),
(3249, '
--- Quote ---Do you remember your old school, which school did you go to? Who were your favourite teachers, which ones didnt you like? Who did you hang around with? What about school dinners or Donkey Pie?\r\n\r\nLlandudno Enthusiasts.
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\r\n\r\nCraig, on the school photo`s page, is there any chance you could prompt people for names to go with the pic or the contributer. There was one 1966 pic of stella maris which had my sister on it, It was a shame there was no names to go with the photo. The forum subject itself was locked.'),
(4711, 'The Town Council can ask for as much as they like but what they actually get is decided on a reasonable budget.\r\n\r\nThere is one item that is a fixed sum for each resident and that is a discretionary amount of a few pounds per person which is generally used to fund the Grants.\r\n\r\nI am not sure of current budget but 4 years ago it was something like £350,000 so do a bit of mental jiggery pokery and it will probably be something like half a million.  Actually not an awfully big amount which probably accounts for it being spent a bit like pocket money!   :D \r\n\r\n.'),
(3253, 'I remember helping to co-ordinate aid to those affected. We were originally situated within the Aberconwy Centre, then later moved into what we called the \\''Flood Advice Centre\\'' that the council set up in the Victoria Centre.\r\n\r\nWhilst in the Victoria Centre I was amazed at how many local councillors walked past the door without calling in to ask if they could help. I remember the Chief Exective of the County Council doing the same. I found it unbelievable.\r\n\r\nWith the help of Cemlyn who used to work for the Borough Council computer dept, we set up a computer system to help us ensure aid got to the right people. But the lack of assistance from certain groups within the town made this job almost impossible. It was truly amazing that some people and groups wouldn\\''t share information that could help everyone get what they needed in time of crisis.\r\n\r\nThe result being that whilst some people got 2 or 3 fridges or cookers, or sofa\\''s, some people got nothing, and all because information wasn\\''t shared. Even the local DHSS in Colwyn Bay ran out of money they paid out so much, only to find out later that some claims were bogus.\r\n\r\nI remember going out with the T.A.s one night round a council estate making sure all was OK, but whilst in the back of the lorry we were ordered to return to base. No reason was given. I protested that we shouldn\\''t leave as we were leaving the looters to it (the police didn\\''t like to admit there were looters - there was), but my protests fell on deaf ears, mind you, I wasn\\''t in the T.A.s so why would they listen to me?\r\n\r\nWhilst involved with the flood relief effort both in the Aberconwy &amp; Victoria Centre, we comforted a great many very distressed people, many were OAPs who had lost everything, it was tragic. Whilst doing this many councillors were conspicuous by their absence. Buy hey, when Prince Phillip paid a visit to the Aberconwy Centre they came out of the woodwork. No surprise there then.\r\n\r\nAlthough my home was flooded, I spent my time volunteering at both centres, and, although the Borough Council provided food and drink for those who were affected, the volunteers providing help for people were given nothing. \r\n\r\nThe police, who had their own catering facilities at the rear rear of the Aberconwy Centre were so incensed at this lack of care for volunteers, that they invited us to eat with them in their mobile facility at their expense. Thank you NWP.\r\n\r\nWhilst many people were evacuated from their homes, many decided to stay put. So along with Constable Ifan Hughes, who was just great, we delivered food to people\\''s door in a white police range rover 4 x 4.\r\n\r\nI remember doing an emergency dash with Ifan driving, myself in the front passenger seat, with Doctor Bell and Dermot from the British Red Cross in the back. A lady in the flats by the Old People\\''s Centre (Trinity Centre now) had been taken seriously ill, but by the time we had made it though the flood water the ambulance had arrived. So whilst there we helped evacuate the elderley residents into inflatables that would take them to dry land and shelter.\r\n\r\nOver nine weeks I learned a great deal about people and life, about what\\''s important and what isn\\''t. We were all on a very short, sharp learning curve, for nothing of this magnitude had been experienced before in our town. People were always quick to knock those trying to do their best to help them, whilst not realising none of us had been in that situation before,ever. But we took it on the chin and got on with it, it\\''s all we could do.\r\n\r\nI must just mention the great job of work carried out by Sgt. Dan Moss of the North Wales Police at that time. What a great guy. I hear he has been promoted since, quite right too.\r\n\r\nHe was in charge at the Aberconwy Centre from the night it rained, and I had the greatest pleasure in working alongside him. Watching him make informed decisions based on listening to people at the sharp end was amazing. I learned a lot from him.\r\n\r\nSilly though it may sound to some, but the impact of the floods only really hit home to me about a month after the event, when, whilst trying to get my home into some livable condition, I realised that I had lost my first ever teddy bear to the flood water. That moment of realisation hit me like a sledgehammer.\r\n\r\nIt was the loss of meaningful, personal effects that many couldn\\''t come to terms with, and who, in the fullness of time, found it difficult to go on, and died.'),
(3254, '
--- Quote ---Craig, on the school photo`s page, is there any chance you could prompt people for names to go with the pic or the contributer. There was one 1966 pic of stella maris which had my sister on it, It was a shame there was no names to go with the photo. The forum subject itself was locked.
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\r\n\r\nHi Gerald, yes the photo section is locked as I like to maintain a degree of etiquette here in the forum, rather than post a pic, several messages, post another pic, several messages, i\\''d rather just have everything nice and neat. I do take note of the messages in here, all I ask is state exactly which photo and provide details as in row and position, I will update the narrative with the photos accordingly.'),
(3255, 'Llandudno didn\\''t lose out because they started holding the Radio One Roadshow in Rhyl &amp; Colwyn Bay.  Those two towns were on the regular shedule year after year. Llandudno were always stand offish about having them here, and it took a great deal of work by the CCBC Tourism Dept to get them here and onto the West Shore.\r\n\r\nRadio One wanted to go onto the North Shore Promenade, but as it was taboo to have any such thing on the North Shore, the BBC were pursueded to go to the West Shore - big mistake - they hated it, so never came back.\r\n\r\nBut in later years we did see a huge BBC exhibition on the North Shore Prom (I must dig the pictures out).\r\n\r\nBoth the towns of Rhyl &amp; Colwyn Bay really knew how to take care of the BBC Radio One Roadshow team and it\\''s organisers, and always moved mountains to accommodate them and reaped the huge benefits of the national publicity as a result. Sadly we let the side down here and put them just where they didn\\''t want to go.'),
(3256, '2006 saw Llandudno win a Silver Gilt award in the prestigious Wales in Bloom Awards. Councillors attended a special award ceremony in Criccieth to receive the accolade of category winner (town) on behalf of the Town Council. There have been numerous complaints surrounding this subject with some people saying standards have slipped in recent years. What are your thoughts, is Llandudno in Bloom? or Llandudno in Gloom?\r\n\r\nHave YOUR SAY at Llandudno Enthusiasts!'),
(3257, '\r\nThey certainly did seem to make an effort back then!\r\nCopyright © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nInteresting feature on entrance to Llandudno by the Little Orme\r\nCopyright © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nOnce a spectacular sign at Happy Valley, now filled in with Concrete!\r\nCopyright © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts'),
(4489, '&#9679; Did you know there was a HMS Llandudno, a 656-ton Bangor-class minesweeper. It was built in 1941 by William Hamilton &amp; Co. Capable of 16 knots and carried a crew of 60 men. The ship lived a relatively short life serving most the war in Iceland and the south coast of England before being sold by the Navy in 1947.\r\n\r\nSHARE YOUR FACTOIDS AND SNIPPETS HERE!'),
(10825, '
--- Quote ---Calm down boys, \r\nput ur handbags down!\r\ni didnt want 2 start an argument lol\r\nMe n Craig r right lol
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\r\n\r\nI\\''m glad this episode of the \\''Magic Roundabout\\'' is over.  :lol: \r\n\r\nZebidee says &quot;It\\''s time for bed&quot;.'),
(4488, '&#9679; Llandudno\\''s Great Orme Lighthouse stands the heighest in the UK at 370ft. Once powered by an 18,500 candlepower lamp which in the right conditions could be viewed from Snaefell on the Isle of Man. Today it serves as a hotel.\r\n\r\nSHARE YOUR FACTOIDS AND SNIPPETS HERE!'),
(3262, '\r\nc1905 - Childrens Service on the Beach\r\nNo Unauthorised Copying © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts\r\n\r\nChildrens Services have always been very popular at Llandudno as seen here at the beginning of the 19th Century and perhaps much earlier? This photo was taken opposite Prince Edward Square near the lifeboat slipway.'),
(3263, '\r\nMay Day Celebration Photos &amp; Postcard\r\nNo Unauthorised Copying © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts\r\n\r\n\\''MAY DAY\\'' CELEBRATIONS seem to have been somewhat a tradition in Llandudno, going back in time parades were held through the town, a nominated \\''May King &amp; Queen\\'' were chosen, nowadays we host an Extravaganza of events celebrating our victorian heritage. Does anyone have anything to share on earlier May Day celebrations, perhaps you was the May Queen (or King)?!?'),
(3264, 'Looking at an old illustrative map from the Llandudno &amp; Colwyn Bay Tramway c1905, it says somewhere near Maesdu Road there was the \\''UDC Power Station\\'' i\\''m guessing UDC is Urban Disctrict Council. I know also the old gas works was there. Can anyone widen my knowledge base on this interesting subject. When was electricity first installed in Llandudno, was the power station as stated on Maesdu Road? would love to know anything people can tell me or any other snippets. Which hotel first had electricity installed etc? It must have been such a marvel when introduced to the town and played an important role in the economic boom thereafter, from light bulbs, to telephony, to powering the tramway system.'),
(4811, '
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--- Quote ---  I believe you have to go to Chester for treatment now.
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\r\nOr perhaps an evening appointment over in Wrexham !!  :roll: 
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\r\n\r\nThere is a place in Abergele or there about that some consultants use for private patients. Or you could just support your NHS. It would be sad to see this lovely building go to waste though.'),
(3266, 'Thanks guys, really appreciate it!'),
(6351, 'hi, its now been taken over by the people who run the Kings Arms'),
(6352, 'The Ambassador was formerly five seperate Hotels: The Brinkburn, situated on the corner of the promenade and St Georges place, The Tegwell, situated on the sea front promenade, The Bodnod, situated on St Georges Place, Baldwin House situated on St Georges Place, and Glyn Isa also on St Georges Place.\r\n\r\nIn 1850 plots of land on the promenade were auctioned at the castle Hotel in Conwy. All five hotels were built soon after this date. Records show visitors in August 1867 from Allerton, Liverpool, Edinburgh, Smethwick, Hamstead, Northwich and Mr &amp; Mrs William Shakespeare from Birmingham.\r\n\r\nIn the 1920\\''s The Glyn Isa was purchased by a Mr &amp; Mrs Richmond, who renamed the hotel as The Richmond. In 1929 they had saved up enough money to purchase Baldwin House next door, which was merged with The Richmond Hotel. In 1940 The Richmond housed civil servants during WWII from the Ministry of Defense. The Richmond became the H.Q. for the Coastal Battery School which moved to Llandudno from the south of England.\r\n\r\nFrom 1910 Mr Underwood ran Brinkburn as a private Hotel. In 1918 they purchased The Bodnod Hotel and merged it with The Brinkburn. In 1940 H.M. Government leased The Brinkburn as a hostel for female staff of the Civil Service during WWII. In 1947 it was purchased whilst still under Government lease by the Birchall family and in July 1948 it was again re-opened for business. In 1969 the Birchall family purchased The Tegwell Hotel next-door, and merged it with The Brinkburn.\r\n\r\nOn 30th November 1986 The Williams family bought The Brinkburn Hotel and merged it with The Richmond Hotel, and was renamed as The Ambassador Hotel. Today, the former Hotel names are commemorated by inclusion within today\\''s Ambassador Hotel. The Bodnod and Tegwell are the names of the Hotel\\''s lounges and ground floor function rooms respectively. The Glyn Isa, Richmond, Baldwin and Brinkburn are names used in the Hotel\\''s spa rooms.'),
(3990, 'Has anyone noticed, what a bad state some of our tourist/information signs are getting into,   e.g.  dirty, faded. broken, etc.\r\n\r\nI particulary refer to the large roadside sign. situated just before the 30 mph sign on the Deganwy side of Maesdu bridge, advertising the  Ski slope ,cable car, etc.\r\nThis sign is gradualy fading more &amp; more. Surely the councillors must pass this daily, yet they just get left to deteriorate.\r\nI am sure that any sign pointing towards our `garden of eden`new shopping area, :|  would be replaced straight away.\r\n\r\nCome on council, we are supposed to be a holiday resort! as well. !! :roll:'),
(3273, 'The other day, the missus and I had a wander around the pier and Happy Valley, what really intrigued me were the oak wooden carvings dotted around so I decided to dig a little deeper and this is what I found....\r\n\r\nThe carvings were done by Reece Ingram, an artist from Truro Cornwall in 2002 as part of the Llandudno Open Space Project.\r\nMore info here:\r\nhttp://www.cywaithcymru.org/eng/archive_detail.php?projectsID=120\r\n\r\nHe carved 8 sculptures, they are :\r\nDown The Rabbit Hole\r\nA Mad Tea Party\r\nKing &amp; Queen of Hearts\r\nRabbit’s Gloves and Fan\r\nThe 15th Door\r\nThe Cheshire Cat\r\nEat Me Cake\r\nThe Rabbit sends on a Little Bill \r\n\r\nSadly, alot of these carvings that are not in full public view look as if they have been vandalised with bits snapped or broken off here and there.\r\nI wondered if anyone had original photos of when these sculptures were done ? I have a few that i took the other day and will post them shortly.'),
(3274, 'My first post here  :D \r\n\r\n\r\nI remember BUSBY? the BT mascot coming to open a closed/refurbished tram line along Church Walks??');
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(3275, 'Anyone remember the name of small school in Church Walks??'),
(3276, 'St.  Georges School.  I had the Ashby Hotel next door until 1989.'),
(3277, 'Sorry for my sketchy posts, my memories are just coming back to me\r\n\r\n\r\nI remember visiting Barnado\\''s i\\''m guessing late 70\\''s, i remember a fire breaking out. Also the outbuildings may have been for older children??\r\n\r\nOne of the windows had a skeleton, and my eldest brother seemed to take great delight in teasing me about being left in that room! :oops:'),
(3278, '
--- Quote ---St.  Georges School.  I had the Ashby Hotel next door until 1989.
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\r\n\r\nIs it still standing? I visited in 2000 and it was in a sorry state back then'),
(3279, 'Don\\''t know why it should be Llandudno in Gloom as the Council have paid up to £5,000 in one season just to water the hanging baskets in Mostyn Street.  What gauls me however, is that the baskets are owned by the shops!  Why should the Ratepayer pay for privately owned hanging baskets to be watered?\r\n\r\nOne must also remember that the majority of work (or is it all) is done by the County Council and private individuals with their garden and other displays.  The Town Council just spend a lot of time talking about it.\r\n\r\nWho takes the credit if their is an award?  The Town Council of course!  Hypocritical I call it!'),
(6350, 'Hi, Sydney carpets went years ago its now a charity shop and Butterworths is been empty for a while - going to be Peers jewellers l think.'),
(6348, 'O\\''h you curious lot you. \r\n\r\nAs for the question regarding my identity, Alfred Hitchcock once said &quot;A surprise is gone in a second, suspense you can make last forever&quot;.\r\n\r\nMaybe nothing is ever as it seems.\r\n\r\nI remember Chris, Derek &amp; Karen, and it\\''s great to see pics of you all. \r\n\r\nMy very best wishes to you.\r\n\r\nWaffagolf'),
(6349, 'Hi Shaz, do you mean the Ambassador?'),
(3282, 'I had a friend in school who used to live there - Nicholas Fuller. Yes, it was Dr Barnardo\\''s. His family used to run it. One of the outbuildings he used for his model soldier wargaming - it was a HUGE setup. His mum used to pick me up and take me back home again in what I thought was a fantastically huge car. I\\''ve realised since that it was a minibus for all the kids that used to stay there! Well.....I was only about 8 or 9! :oops:'),
(3283, 'Righty-Ho !\r\nIF I\\''ve done this right ( stop sniggering you lot  :lol: ) Then this link should take you to my piccie album.\r\nIf I haven\\''t, then it won\\''t and you\\''ll have to look for it  :D \r\n\r\nhttp://olle.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=27'),
(3284, 'Nice images, looking forward to taking my son around these parts someday.\r\n\r\nWhat is it with vandals in the area :evil:'),
(3285, 'Hi Faile,\r\nWelcome to OLLE !!!!\r\nI have no idea what is wrong with people, why they have to go round destroying things is beyond me  :( \r\n\r\nGlad you liked the pics !! It is beautiful up there, if a little sparse and the Laburnam Arch is just about to come into full bloom if you\\''re a flower fanatic.'),
(3286, 'I\\''ve got a feeling she had. But I\\''ll ask Davy (by e mail) and get back to you.\r\n\r\nMike.'),
(8295, 'A local group in Craig-y-Don has formed, \\''Friends of Queens Park\\''. It has a massive regeneration project in the pipeline of rejuvenating Queens Park to its former glory, known locally as \\''Craig-y-Don Park\\''. \\''FOQP\\'' Group member PC Mike Smith has approached Llandudno Enthusiasts for help with any old photos or information we have of the park so they can be discussed at their next meeting.\r\n\r\nI think it would also be a great idea for our group to collectively offer any positive thoughts and ideas on this project, I will relay this over to them.\r\n\r\nPlease e-mail any photos to craig@olle.co.uk'),
(3289, '
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--- Quote ---St.  Georges School.  I had the Ashby Hotel next door until 1989.
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\r\n\r\nIs it still standing? I visited in 2000 and it was in a sorry state back then
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\r\n\r\nThe St Georges building was restored fortunately, I have a book which commemorated the history and new life of the St Georges School. See link below, its on the third row.\r\n\r\nLINK http://www.olle.co.uk/books.htm'),
(3290, 'The old Udc had a huge incinarator plant on cwm road there were other buildings around this one of these may have been the electricity plant they were all the old fasioned red brick type building.\r\nThere also was a huge cokeing plant off this by maesdu road i recall a big chute were the wagons pulled up to collect the coke there was a house atached for years we thought it was haunted.'),
(3291, 'Anyone remember the old alice lights in happy valley were later to be taken  awayand used as the christmas lights around the town.'),
(3292, 'I have asked a member of the Ashkenazi Orthodox centre and they remember the  being in synagogue  upper mostyn street in the masonic halls they will try to find me the date of the move to church walks.'),
(3294, '
--- Quote ---My first post here  :D \r\n\r\n\r\nI remember BUSBY? the BT mascot coming to open a closed/refurbished tram line along Church Walks??
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\r\n\r\nI remember BT once had a special exhibition train, yellow in colour, that visited Llandudno in the late 1970s/early 1980s? I visited it and it was great. I think Buzby was around then?\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3295, 'It was one of the oldest buildings in Llandudno apparently, dating from 1853. Following restoration work it now serves as a Early Years Learning Centre. More info here &amp; some pics:\r\nhttp://www.claw.gov.uk/index.php?id=92\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3296, 'My favourite is the Cheshire Cat sculpture. The King &amp; Queen\\''s thrones at the end of the little path are a great place to sit and admire the view, too.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3297, 'The idea to put concrete in the letters of the LLANDUDNO flowerbed in Happy Valley has always seemed crazy to me. How much do a few bedding plants cost? After all that Lottery money was spent on refurbishing the area too. Such a prominent location deserves better.\r\n\r\nIn general, I think the flowerbeds along the prom/in town are fine, although I noticed yesterday that the roundabout up by the Pier had still not been planted out. Sadly, it seems that the days of the complex flower displays like in Craig\\''s photos above have gone, due to cutbacks. A shame, because you can achieve a lot, with a relatively small amount of money.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(4810, '
--- Quote ---  I believe you have to go to Chester for treatment now.
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\r\nOr perhaps an evening appointment over in Wrexham !!  :roll:  '),
(3300, 'DONATION RECEIPT BOOK No. 00003\r\nUSER: STEVE LOCKWOOD\r\nAMOUNT: £30.00\r\nMETHOD: POSTAL ORDER\r\nDATE RECEIVED: 11/06/07\r\n\r\nDonation in payment of LlCBER digitally hand-coloured photograph of trams on Carlton Corner, for use in book publication.\r\n\r\nMany thanks, for your kind donation. If anyone would like to make a donation toward the Llandudno Enthusiast Group, please visit: http://www.olle.co.uk/donations.htm'),
(3302, '
--- Quote ---It was one of the oldest buildings in Llandudno apparently, dating from 1853. Following restoration work it now serves as a Early Years Learning Centre. More info here &amp; some pics:\r\nhttp://www.claw.gov.uk/index.php?id=92\r\n\r\nSC
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\r\n\r\nThank you so much for posting that, i can\\''t put into words what it means to see it like this.\r\nOne brief visit in 25 years in 2000 which as i mentioned was looking a sorry state, After seeing plenty of devolpment in my old town i figured the school was lost forever.'),
(10863, 'H i is there anyone out there know anything about any shipwrecks of the great orme? i know there is some information about this subject on the page about the great orme. My husband is a very keen fisherman he has a small fishing boat he knows where the wrecks are but it would be interesting to find out more about them if anyone has any knowledge of any. The Wydia ,The Seven, The Benholm, are just a few names i know.'),
(9151, 'just wondering, has there been any more developments on this property? Last time I went passed it, I am sure it was still with windows blacked out.'),
(9093, 'Hi Snake, I forgot to get to post back on this one, though last summer I revisited the water spring on the left of the second jetty, and tasted the water this time, it was salty! Interesting really, why would salt water literally spring up from the sand when the tides so far out, next year i\\''m taking a spade with me! :D'),
(9152, 'Good comments from both of you however I have to agree with karen on this one. Although its true that some people do suffer from mental illnesses and they are genuine, alot of criminals try to use this excuse to get out of punishment or have there punishment reduced. I too believe in an eye for an eye and think we should have better facilities in place to determine those who generally have a mental illness from those who do not and this should include extensive testing. As for those under the influence of drugs or alcohol, this is no excuse as you know that such things effect judgement etc so therefore you should act responsibly in the first place. I go out drinking with friends etc but i have never gone behind the wheel of a car or gone on a killing spree so why should it be ok for others?\r\n\r\nThanks again to karen and trojan for such interesting views.'),
(3307, '
--- Quote ---\\''sawdust for brains brigade\\''
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\r\n\r\nThats a funny one! didnt half make me chuckle, but very true Dave! :) might be attributed with younger people having little to do in the town, or is it that theres so much in front of them they fail to appreciate it, I know I learnt to appreciate my hometown after I left, hence building this community group for everyone else to appreciate.'),
(6347, 'Found the site when i was told someone was trying to locate someone i knew.\r\nvery grateful, the site is great.'),
(3310, 'hi,hubbies old boss was a member of the Freemasons and remembers it being a Masons hall at least 36years ago (he knows this as he remember delivering building materials there at the time)'),
(3311, 'I can understand what your saying Craig,but hoping not to sound like a real old &quot;when i was a lad&quot;! codger, but we used to moan about there nothing to do.\r\nBut saying that! we did used to make our own fun, &amp; didn`t involve smashing up peoples property or other vandalism.\r\nI confess we used to play knocking on doors &amp; hiding,also pinching apples.\r\nI had better stop with this, otherwise people will think that i`ve just dropped out of a `Famous five` story.\r\n\r\np.s. &amp; we made our own bikes &amp; go carts. :D'),
(3312, 'I\\''ve ordered the Little Orme book and the Nant-y-Gamar one for my friend on the hill. Any useful snippets, I will share!'),
(6346, 'Hi, very good looking, long dark hair, had a mate called Dave who was often in there.'),
(3315, 'Yes, you are bang on with the time lines'),
(3317, 'My most vivid memory - not the oldest - was the day we moved into our hotel in Church Walks.  The following day the hotel was to be filled with a group of gentlemen with 4 nurses who were coming on holiday from a home in the Midlands.\r\n\r\nWe arrived with the removal wagons with 2 children and a cat.  No shopping, no food and, quite frankly, no idea of how we were going to manage in our first efforts at running a small hotel!\r\n\r\nAs it happenned, we managed to get supplies in from ASDA and the whole first week went very well.  This was helped by our group of guests who, probably being used to institution food, tolerated my cooking efforts.  I am a good cook but was just not used to so many people in so short a time!\r\n\r\nAfter that things went very well for us until we sold up a couple of years later.  It is a short interlude in my life that I will never forget!'),
(3318, 'In many towns and cities local companies and stores sponsor individual roundabouts and save the councils a fortune.  All they want in return is a relatively small advertisment board placed on the area they sponsor.\r\n\r\nI put this to Conwy Council some time ago and it was not even considered.  Yet if one travells to Rhyddlan or Prestatyn you can see roundabouts sponsored by such companies as LOCK, STOCK and whatever the other word is and the WATER GARDENS CENTRE!!\r\n\r\nAs I understand it the Council still do the work but the sponsor pays.  Not such a bad idea - grab it Conwy.\r\n.'),
(3319, '
--- Quote ---It was one of the oldest buildings in Llandudno apparently, dating from 1853. Following restoration work it now serves as a Early Years Learning Centre. More info here &amp; some pics:\r\nhttp://www.claw.gov.uk/index.php?id=92\r\n\r\nSC
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\r\n\r\nI must say, I think they did a terrific job of restoring this building, I remember it really decaying at one time.'),
(3320, 'Wow and double wow!  Thank you for all the gems of information.  As I said before I have some stuff too.  I\\''ll have to post it as and when I can - so here is snippet number one:  This one is very recently found, today I was on the bus home (just fate I got that bus) and I met a fella who is the dad of someone I once knew way back in my bedsit days (the son had lived in the same house as me).  We got chatting and out of the blue he asked me if I was still working &quot;up there&quot;.  I said yes.  Then he started on about how his mum - one Margaret Roberts - had slept in the room above the front door.  Turns out she had been &quot;the wife\\''s&quot; maid back in the 1920\\''s, her bedroom had been the room above the front door, the husband may have been an &quot;artist or something&quot;.  I\\''m assuming he meant Mr and Mrs Holden, parents of Enid Holden and siblings.\r\n\r\nSome of this is possibly hearsay and distorted memories but there is always some truth behind the rumour as far as I\\''m concerned.  \r\n\r\nMore to follow at some later stage.........\r\n\r\nNow I really must go and watch Britain\\''s got talent.'),
(3321, 'I have had a reply from my contact and it would seem that the Masonic Hall was indeed used for meetings on a temporary basis only until the move was made into the Synagogue in Church Walks  sometime in late 1940\\''s I believe.\r\n\r\nWe live and  learn!'),
(3322, 'Walking across  a field to go to the fair that set up camp every Summer where the retail park is now, it was next to the football ground. I also remember a Circus there with elephants.\r\n\r\nThe explosions every day at 3pm coming from the quarries at Penmaenmawr.\r\n\r\nThe Maroons and the  Klaxon sounding when the lifeboat was launched'),
(3323, '
--- Quote ---Righty-Ho !\r\nIF I\\''ve done this right ( stop sniggering you lot  :lol: ) Then this link should take you to my piccie album.\r\nIf I haven\\''t, then it won\\''t and you\\''ll have to look for it  :D \r\n\r\nhttp://olle.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=27
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\r\n\r\nNice pics, I like the benches up there shaped like acorns. I went up last week and took some pics myself.'),
(3989, 'The Rocking stone has been like that since i was a `Pebble` &amp; i`m in my 50s.\r\n \r\nyou are also right in saying that there is a knack to rocking it.We used to be up there a lot when we were kids. \r\nThe saying was, that if you could`nt make it rock, over the top you went ! :)'),
(3327, 'Having a black and white photograph taken with my younger sister outside Woolworths when I was about five or six.'),
(10101, 'Anyone know what\\''s going on with Tudno FM? I was on their website at 10am today eagerly awaiting their first transmission but nothing seems to be happening. :?'),
(10081, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---Hello Craig, as you did ask me to relay any Llandudno historical facts or gossip, I was wondering if I had at any time told you that my great grandfather on my mother\\''s side, paid for the first camera obscura which stood opposite the Grand Hotel.\r\n\r\nI believe it was destroyed by fire at some point, and a new one installed. My great grandfather\\''s family names were Owen(Owain) and Roberts. (Interesting that on some of those old deeds and indentures I mentioned to you, the name Roberts crops up quite a lot, though I don\\''t know if it\\''s the same Roberts).\r\n\r\nI am not sure either what his connection was with Llandudno, other than that many of my ancestors have lived there, or why he should bequeath money to pay for the camera. I can remember being taken on a walk to the camera obscura, when I was about 7, by my grandfather, and being told that his father had donated money to have it built and installed.\r\n\r\nI remember he told me the bulk of the donation was spent on the lens thing, which was made, I believe, by another relative, an Uncle, who worked in a glass factory somewhere - could have been St.Helens? I still have some of this great great uncle\\''s apprentice pieces in my home, small animals and other objects made whilst he was training there.\r\n\r\nIf you know anything about the camera, or the Roberts side of my family, I\\''d be glad to hear about it. there\\''s no-one left to ask now as all my relatives are dead.\r\n\r\nSarah
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\r\nAn 18 year old lad called Lot Williams built the Camera Obscura back in 1860. It was always operated by descendants of his, until the last, David Jones, of Madoc Terrace, Gyffin, Conwy, decided to call it a day in 1964, due to lack of demand. The building was burnt down by vandals in 1966. The present building opened in the 1980s.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3331, '\r\nc1955 - Advert for Victoria Restaurant\r\nCopying Prohibited © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts'),
(3333, '\r\nc1955 - Advert for Lilac Cafe\r\nCopying Prohibited © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts'),
(3334, 'Yes that is a great account, brings back memories.\r\n\r\nMy take on the flood: At the time I was living in Clarence road in Craig y don, a few doors from the Washington. I worked in the St Georges Hotel  and at six in the evening was due to start my shift.  I had a car back then and would drive down the prom to work (heaven forfend I\\''d do the massive walk I now do to get to work).  That day I opened the front door and was hit by a wall of rain.  I have never seen rain before or since like it.  The doorbells were going crazy, they played a tune and it was definitely out of tune that day with the water battering them. The rain was so strong that it was trying to push the door out of my hands.\r\n\r\nAnyway I somehow got out and into my car.  Thinking that the prom would be wettest I drove towards the Boulevard.  That roundabout was flooded, I turned left to go to the Links, partway along that road the police were turning vehicles back, so in the end I had to put my foot down and drive straight over Boulevard roundabout.  The water covered the bonnet of my car, I got through and onto the prom which was amazingly dry. My little old Metro was never quite the same after that!\r\n\r\nAt work we were full with bookings.  A lot of people were evacuated to us that night.  I have a lasting memory of people in evening dress turning out of their rooms so the evacuated people had somewhere to sleep. It really meant something to see this. In the Clarence Road house we escaped the most of the floods, although our cellar was nearly full and the back garden was under water. We were lucky. I know many weren\\''t.\r\n\r\nI can\\''t believe it\\''s fourteen years today.  It\\''s raining out there tonight.  Nature\\''s little commemoration.  So long as it stays little.......\r\n\r\nB xx'),
(3335, '\r\nc1970 - Advert for Embassy Restaurant\r\nCopying Prohibited © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts'),
(3336, 'An old photo of staff at Red Garages c1950. Recognise anyone?\r\n\r\n\r\nc1950? - Staff at Red Garages\r\nCopying Prohibited © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts'),
(3338, '
--- Quote ---My earliest memories has to be playing in the  old sand dunes that used to be on westshore whilst going to the old lido and the old blue caravans that acted as shops on the grass there pepsi through paper straws.\r\n playing on the trampolines at kiddies funland by the arcadia ,My first introduction to live theatre at the grand theatre to see a farce called boeing 777. bonfires in november by the old allotments on maesdu fields before it was the rugby ground. standing watching as they demolished the old coke chimneys on cwm road.\r\nSummers seemed longer then when we played out till late around cwm place all eating choc ices (supposed to be seconds) from hi hat ,good days
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\r\n\r\n\r\nc1990 - Funland Amusements on Venue Cymru site\r\nCopyright Waffagolf © \\''Bringing History Alive\\'' at Llandudno Enthusiasts'),
(10077, 'Who did you call to unblock your drain or fix a leaky pipe?\r\nWhen your house needed a coat of paint which painter\\''s &amp; decorator\\''s did you use? \r\nShare your memories of self-employed trades-people here'),
(13649, '\r\n\r\nLoreto Football Team 1974-1975.\r\n\r\nBack Row left to right - Christopher Linden - Neil Sullivan - Andrew Spencer - Mark Humberstone - Stephen Davies - Timothy Wood - Andrew Wilkinson - Mr Jones (Stavros) - Michael Nolan.\r\n\r\nFront Row left to right - Jason McFadden - James Regan - Joseph Waters - Brendan Watson - Bill Morgans (Headmaster) - Michael Wickham - Peter Williams.\r\n\r\nTO SHARE MEMORIES OF THIS PHOTO OR YOUR OLD SCHOOL CLICK THE FOLLOWING WEB LINK:\r\n\r\nhttp://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=176&amp;sid=73d53b18e7f5d1b1655deeaf6cbc176b'),
(10078, 'Mr Marsh lived in Roumania Crescent, Craig-y-don, and was a local chimney sweep. He drove a van with \\''Cleen Sweep\\'' painted on each side. A tall chap with ginger hair, Mr Marsh always did a great job of cleaning our chimney, whilst keeping the living room free of soot.\r\nThere\\''s not much call for chimney sweep\\''s nowadays, with centrally heated homes being the norm.'),
(10079, 'Not unless MI5 routinely wear yellow hard hats these days, Essien! :lol: Could be a cover, I suppose...\r\n\r\nRoof has been fixed and promenade has been reopened. Still blowing a gale though, at the moment.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(10080, 'The original camera obscura closed in 1964 and was burned down by vandals in 1966.\r\nI was thinking your Uncle may have worked at Pilkingtons in St Asaph, which was opened in 1957, on the inititive of Lawrence Pilkington. They produced optical and ophthalmic glass products.\r\nPilkington\\''s was established in St Helen\\''s in 1826 as St Helen\\''s Crown Glass Co.\r\nThere\\''s more info relating to the camera obscura in the ASK A LOCAL section under \\''Camera Obscura\\'' and \\''Camera Obscura Jack dies at the age of 87\\''.'),
(3344, 'And, of course, not forgetting the firstly English and then Chinese Restaurant at Dale Road, West Shore.   The English was I believe the Ainsworth family and the Chinese maybe Nicky Ip was the owner.  \r\n\r\nWas it called the SUNSHINE?    :D'),
(4608, 'Anyone know what fame lives on Millionaires Row (Llys Helig Drive) these days? ever visited some of the houses there, have you a favourite? How has the history of Llys Helig Drive been shaped over the years. Share your knowledge here.'),
(3349, 'I like the idea of trams back in Llandudno, or at least some form of transport that can get people around the town, a little more quicly and easily than on foot. I also like the idea of a road train that can get you to the less accessible areas like Happy Valley such as they have on the Costa del Sol resorts.'),
(3350, 'Well, walking along the prom yesterday there were plenty of hotels open for business providing lunches etc. What is lacking is outdoor space for pavement style cafe\\''s which would probably have attracted at least some of the many people out and about. It occurred to me that some of the hotels could rent a little space on the prom for an extension to their  facilities, or - maybe that is a little too radical for the powers that be! \r\n\r\nAnyone who has visited Blanes on the Costa Brava will know what I mean, It has a very similar geography to Llandudno Bay and the top end of the prom hasa line of outdoor restaurants which are serviced from the hotels opposite.'),
(3356, 'Adrian, wasn\\''t that Sandilands and was earlier run as a hotel by John Chapman before John Ainsworth converted it?'),
(10097, '
--- Quote ---Well that\\''s a suprise. I know that Flix was frequented by the lesbian contingent. I left town in \\''85  and it must have still been The Criterion but it was certainly not known as a gay bar. The Cavern was the main place. After \\''85, when I came home for weekends, Flix was open and a lot of the women from the Cavern were drinking there.
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\r\n\r\nSome of the Cavern girls now run the Conservative Club - Joanne Barrett for one.'),
(4610, 'NEW TOPIC CREATED PLEASE SEE \\''ASK A LOCAL\\'' SECTION FOR \\''RESIDENTS OF MILLIONAIRES ROW (LLYS HELIG DRIVE)\\''. THIS THREAD IS RESERVED FOR \\''YOUR SPECIAL PLACE\\'' ONLY.'),
(4611, 'Mr. R. P. Roberts of local house builders Roberts Homes has a house there, I believe. \r\n\r\nSC'),
(13262, 'or many customers  :lol:'),
(13263, 'The council claims the pink colour scheme does not fit in with the Victorian theme of the town, and Mrs Ann Blanchard, the owner, has been threatened with legal action and was asked to find another colour for the hotel by the end of July.\r\n\r\nMrs Blanchard has received over 300 letters of support, opposed to 5 letters of objection to the Council.\r\n\r\nThe final decision is set to go before the Council\\''s planning committee on 19 August.'),
(10591, 'I was talking quality of actual on air sound/content, NOT wavelength.\r\n\r\nIt was a 28 day RSL (ie restricted licence )...it was always known it would come off air for a short period after March 28th.\r\n\r\nWhat do people think of the service...the station itself.....was there enough info about Llandudno in terms of events and news? Was there an opportunity to voice opinion on air ? Was it LOCAL ? Did it reflect the community of Llandudno and district ? Is it YOUR radio station....would you make it your first station of choice ?\r\nHow much Welsh was there and what about faith / religion ? ALL very important issues.\r\n\r\nWas it / is it value for money...the public money that\\''s already gone in to it ?\r\n\r\nCommon guys and gals get off that fence !! Take a look at Ofcom\\''s website and see what they say about Tudno and community radio in general. What we got and what was promised don\\''t match. Just playing music ISN\\''T COMMUNITY RADIO! But if you\\''re happy with that then fine...bit costly though don\\''t you think !! \r\n\r\nLlech'),
(10563, '
--- Quote ---I\\''ve asked around on this one, and the consensus of opinion is that the wardens on the Orme have been told that it is not their job remit to pick up litter.\r\nThey therefore in all honesty, to stop these damned paper bags flying around , catch the blighters, fill them with pebbles and wait for the CCBC litter dept to pick them up.\r\nWe then have the argument from Council whether they are recyclable.\r\n\r\n Problem Solved
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nyou\\''d think it would just be easier for them to pick the bloody things up, surley that would be quicker then filling them with stones  :x'),
(3359, 'Received an email this morning with the following question...\r\n\r\nDear Llandudno Enthusiasts,\r\n\r\nMy name is Mrs Ann Metcalfe, as a member of the Llandudno Conservative Club I have been asked if I could try and write a history of the club for its centenary which is next year. Do you think any of your members would have any information on its History, I was told Llandudno Enthusiasts group was the best place to put the question to.\r\n\r\nMany Thanks, Mrs A Metcalfe.'),
(3363, 'You are, of course, absolutely correct.  The memory chip in the old brainbox just does not function as well as it used to.  At least I knew it began with an &quot;S&quot;.   :D'),
(10096, 'Well that\\''s a suprise. I know that Flix was frequented by the lesbian contingent. I left town in \\''85  and it must have still been The Criterion but it was certainly not known as a gay bar. The Cavern was the main place. After \\''85, when I came home for weekends, Flix was open and a lot of the women from the Cavern were drinking there.'),
(3365, 'Does anyone remember the Ritz Cafe on Mostyn Street ?  It was owned by Robert Clare Baxte who also owned Baxrers Bon and Clares.  It was a long time ago but I\\''m a silver surfer!'),
(3366, '
--- Quote ---Does anyone remember the Ritz Cafe on Mostyn Street ?  It was owned by Robert Clare Baxte who also owned Baxrers Bon and Clares.  It was a long time ago but I\\''m a silver surfer!
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nhttp://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=224&amp;highlight=ritz&amp;sid=b07f5559e77ac7d3919e33b585dccf8e\r\n\r\nSee link above for advert of Ritz Cafe.'),
(3367, 'I\\''ve been trying to remember the name of the cafe near the Savoy cinema, in the 1970\\''s it wascalled the Skyliner, but it had a different name before that.'),
(3368, '
--- Quote ---I\\''ve been trying to remember the name of the cafe near the Savoy cinema, in the 1970\\''s it wascalled the Skyliner, but it had a different name before that.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nIt wasnt the Venezia was it?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nLINK HERE to VENEZIA: http://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=159&amp;sid=b07f5559e77ac7d3919e33b585dccf8e'),
(3369, 'I worked with Orville J Heap (Jim Johnstone) the DJ at Winter Gardens from 1970 and learned much from him. He always sat on a stool to spin the discs and used a Shure mic and Garrard turntables in a home made wooden plynth.\r\n\r\nIn those early days they held Tea Dances in the afternoon, very popular they were too, and it had a great sprung danceflloor.\r\n\r\nThe bouncers (doormen) were Gordon Black, Ian McNeil, Pat and others. I remember that Gordon had an old black and white car always parked outside with it\\''s whitewall tyres. I think he had them slahed more than once. Beryl took the money at the door.\r\n\r\nEmperor Rosko (BBC Radio One) appeared there at the height of his career. Myself and Jim watched his show from the back of the room. ER had loads of Tutor 2 projectors, which were the business then. He got paid £150 which was a huge amount of money. Myself and Jim were in awe, for ER was \\''the man\\''.\r\n\r\nI remember The Rubettes appearing there in the early 70s when they were huge. The place was packed, so packed that the Rubettes refused to come out of the dressing room (which was on the left, in the middle as you came in through the front door) until a walkway was cleared for them to get to the stage dressed in their white suits and red shirts (and caps of course). The place was buzzing that night.\r\n\r\nI have forwarded to Craig a picture of a rock group called Madrigal who appeared there in the early 70s, they were fantastic.\r\n\r\nThe Llandudno Rugby Club used to hold their annual Stag Night at Winters. It was always well attended. I compered it one time and boy was that a hard job. George Roper was the comedian, there was a comedian/magician too, a group and 2 strippers, plus myself.\r\n\r\nI remember walking on stage at the start of the night in front of 450 men all shouting two words, the second word was \\''off\\''. They didn\\''t want to see me. They were there for the strippers. None of the other acts, apart from the strippers had been told it was a Stag Night in case they never turned up.\r\n\r\nGeorge Roper didn\\''t want to go on as his act was not geared up for a Stag Night, so I had to pursuade him to go on. He did, and he went down well.\r\n\r\nI had the unenviable job of collecting up the strippers garments when they\\''d concluded their act, and take them to their dressing room. Not a job for the fainthearted. But someone had to do it.\r\n\r\nSo impressed was I with the night I\\''ve never compered a Stag Night since.\r\n\r\nThe police loved Winter Gardens because everyone who didn\\''t go to Paynes went there and they knew were everyone was, and it made their job on a Saturday night much easier - well - until 11.45pm when Winters closed and the street outside, at times, was like a battle ground.\r\n\r\nHappy Days.'),
(3370, 'Yes, it probably was the Venezia, looking at the picture, but the name doesn\\''t ring any bells with me, although I remember the Skyliner opening for business and going in there for a Danish Pastry!'),
(

DaveR:
(3373, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---I\\''ve been trying to remember the name of the cafe near the Savoy cinema, in the 1970\\''s it wascalled the Skyliner, but it had a different name before that.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nIt wasnt the Venezia was it?\r\n\r\n\r\n
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nWas this the first &quot;gay&quot; bar in town?  Or was it just an unfortunate choice of words?'),
(3375, 'Hi, im sure there is one of those type of ads on the roundabout leading to the West End C.Bay and doesnt that come under Conwy Council?'),
(10094, 'I had my CB, Midland 100 I think, in my Hillman Imp Van, White with a red stripe on each side, and an aerial twice the height of the van. (don\\''t laugh). My handle was The Slider and I had a mate Oddball. Strange when we would bump into each other and I would say &quot;eyeball eyeball Oddball!!. Good Times.'),
(3377, 'Yes it was the Venezia, &amp; no Adrian it wasn`t a gay bar, it was a coffee bar used by ,i suppose you could call us `mods` we used to hang about there &amp; play Motown on the jukebox &amp; table football, also manage to make a cup of coffee last 2hrs.\r\n\r\nWhilst we where the `mods` there was another coffee bar in Vaughan st ,underneath ,what was once `Len`s ` hardware &amp; timber.\r\nIt was called `The tiger bar` it was supposed to be the bikers coffee bar, but we all used to go there anyway.!\r\n\r\nWe used to think of ourselves as mods &amp; rockers, but were all mates as we grew up together.\r\ngreat days !'),
(10664, '
--- Quote ---The Chinese spring rolls with a tub of mushy peas to dip them in were a favorite delicacy. It was always advisable to drain the hot fat from the rolls into the greaseproof paper before eating, unless when you took a bite, the fat would squirt in all directions.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nChinese rolls were lovely, big things they were too, and as you say a gallon of fat would pour out...lol ruined many a shirt with them...lol'),
(3379, 'They were next door to the Cae Mor Hotel on the site of the new box office/cafe extension to Venue Cymru.\r\n\r\nI can remember videoing John Major visiting that site before the North Wales Theatre was built.\r\n\r\nI happened to get mixed up with all the TV people and the security personnel thought I actually was working for television with my large Panasonic video camera.  :lol: [/color]'),
(4678, 'I understood that his place was somewhere on the road leading up to Llyn Crafnant.'),
(4679, 'Mr Vollam gave me a summer job in his shop on Gloddath Avenue during the mid-sixties.\r\n\r\nInitially, I worked on one of the sales counters, but had an unfortunate accident on my first day with some fragile items, so I was quickly relocated into the Post Office where I sold stamps to visitors for their postcards.'),
(3380, 'Dyffryn rd school,\r\nbeing a west shore arab, Dyffryn rd was my school &amp; what great school it was &amp; still is.\r\nThe funny thing is,is that my mother &amp; aunties &amp; uncle went there also.\r\n\r\nI`m not sure when it was built, i should find out, but i suppose it must have been ,early 1900s.\r\nI also, although its hard to believe  remember my first day ,&amp; going into \r\nMrs Carr`s class,There was this big rocking horse there,though i cant remember ever going on it,but i can recall the small bottles of warm milk\r\nwe used to have, &amp; also we were made to have a little sleep on the floor on a small mat. When there was a school party we had to take, a plate ,a cup, and a dish,with our names stuck on underneath.\r\n\r\nOh the joys of childhood ! :D'),
(3381, 'Not quite as violent as Brighton then?  :lol: \r\n\r\nI remember my time as a Teddy Boy with the DA haicut, drainpipe trousers, drape jacket and bootlace ties.   Brothel creepers adorned our feet and we strolled around as though we owned the place.   :twisted: \r\n\r\nGosh - them were the days!  :mrgreen:'),
(3382, 'What?  You mean they have at last chosen to use sponsorship?  Bully for the person with the foresight!\r\n\r\n. :mrgreen:'),
(3384, 'I was at Winters the night the Rubettes played and managed to get  right to the front, although it wasn\\''t very comfortable as the place was  packed. I also remember Limmie and the Family Cookin\\'' performing there at around the same time, they were a popular group with several big hits like &quot;You can do Magic&quot; and &quot;He\\''s a Walking Miracle&quot; and &quot;Dreamboat&quot;'),
(3385, 'Dave..... I\\''m glad you mentioned having a little sleep on a mat on the floor of your first school. I\\''ve often had these memories of \\''naps\\'' when I was in Lloyd St school. I thought I must have been imagining it! I mean, having warm milk, then sleeping on a mat on the floor..........well, it almost makes you feel like you must have been a cat in a previous life doesn\\''t it!!!! Glad you corroborated my distant thoughts though. :wink:'),
(6232, 'I know I could spot a bank of grey 300ft windmills from 1/4 mile away, but then again maybe some people couldn\\''t. \r\nDo the present ones have warning lights on top, so aircraft don\\''t run into them at night?\r\nOn the way to Palm Springs off Interstate 10, there\\''s hundreds of them sprawled across the rolling hills, and they\\''re the same colour - brilliant white. They look really surreal and don\\''t blend in with the landscape at all.'),
(3387, 'Suepp may also have seen DJ Stuart Henry when he appeared at Winters on the Radio Luxemburg 208 Roadshow, what a night that was. Again it was packed to the rafters.\r\n\r\nI remember we had to help Stuart onto the stage as he was rather incapable, at the time many thought he was much the worse for drink, he wasn\\''t, far from it he was a very poorly man. It emerged he was sufffering from Multiple Sclerosis.'),
(3388, '
--- Quote ---  I remember The Rubettes appearing there in the early 70s when they were huge.
--- End quote ---
\r\n
--- Quote ---I was at Winters the night the Rubettes played
--- End quote ---
\r\nI have to confess I can remember being at Winters that evening. :lol: \r\n\r\nFunny but these days I can\\''t remember what I had for breakfast this morning !! :oops: '),
(6250, 'I\\''m like the yellow pages of Llandudno....'),
(6251, '
--- Quote ---It was owned by a guy called Des (&quot;The shirt is twenty quid-but I\\''ll let you have it for fifteen&quot;).
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nI nearly p****d myself laughing, that was all he ever said. Another line was &quot;only got the one in so nobody else will have it&quot; I remeber buying a t-shirt there it was supposed to be 10 quid but he give it to me for 8! Only one he had, then walk into the cottage loaf and Joe Neary is wearing the same shirt.....'),
(10095, '
--- Quote ---Does anyone remember Metric Garage on builder street? I started work there as an apprentice mechanic in 1976. My weekly wage was £11.00 to top my wage up I cleaned at Asda a three nights a week  for £12.00. The garage was owned by Charlie Tinkum ex Mayor of Llandudno, and was famous for selling the Moskvich car. One owner of this motor was the chap from Greasy Lil\\''s Chippy, he who used to sit at the table counting pennies all night. He used re-new his Moskvich every couple of years bless him!!
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nI remember the Metric Garage! There\\''s a mention of Capt Tinkum\\''s Russian car dealership by \\''Essien\\'' in TIMES PAST - \\''The origonal Mini-cabs\\''.\r\nAsda burning down in 1976 must have affected your \\''top-up-wage?\\''\r\nAre you referring to \\''Robert\\'' from \\''Greasy Lil\\''s?\\''  :wink:\r\n  \r\nA big welcome to the forum goes out to \\''The little Imp\\'''),
(3396, '
--- Quote ---Was this the first &quot;gay&quot; bar in town?  Or was it just an unfortunate choice of words?
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nWe do however have a topic on \\''GAY LIFE\\'' in Llandudno, Link below...\r\n\r\nhttp://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=73&amp;sid=ef28d5ca5da3371b700c966aebc329ed'),
(4605, '
--- Quote --- Hi all, the boys mother still lives in one of those houses on Marine Drive.
--- End quote ---
\r\nThe boy\\''s surname was GOW.\r\n\r\nMy information is that his older sister married Martin Edwards, former Chairman of Man Utd, and that is their home immediately is below the shelter built in his memory.\r\n\r\nI shall be very interested to learn how much truth exists in that story !!'),
(4606, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote --- Hi all, the boys mother still lives in one of those houses on Marine Drive.
--- End quote ---
\r\nThe boy\\''s surname was GOW.\r\n\r\nMy information is that his older sister married Martin Edwards, former Chairman of Man Utd, and that is their home immediately is below the shelter built in his memory.\r\n\r\nI shall be very interested to learn how much truth exists in that story !!
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nI have heard that Martin Edwards has a home on Llys Helig Drive, so that part is certainly true, I think.\r\n\r\nSC'),
(6461, 'I have started this thread to diferentiate from the Alzheimers drug thread also running here.\r\n\r\nThis is an important debate and deserves its own separate discussion.'),
(3637, '
--- Quote ---That was indeed. What is wrong with the Esplanade that they cannot provide a basic service?
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nWell in all fairness the reception and the evening buffet were fantastic. The entertainment was great, it was just that little request where they fell flat.'),
(3421, '
--- Quote ---Yeah I remember that in the NWWN, but I did chat to him and although he was disappointed in Llandudno compared to busier places he had been to, he did say it was a pleasant town. He was a very pleasant man to speak to.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nI think it was more a case of he did not like the theatre he hated his dressing room and the show was not attracting big crowds think it was pulled once or twice due to no bookings but he was pleasant enough always said hello.'),
(3402, 'That has to be you craig, second right!!!\r\nAnyone agree?'),
(3403, 'Is The West shore Arab out there?\r\nThe Building at the side of the car park at West shore, the big one before the cycle path. What the hell is it? And is it used?\r\nTa'),
(3404, 'I remember it being built, i know that it seemed to take take quite a while\r\nto build it.\r\nI was once told that it was a `Pumping station` of some sort,but i cant confirm that. :?'),
(3405, 'Left to right, I think its Jock then ken, I think, as I remember the two guys who also worked the pumps. Ken I think his name is, lives at the back of Asda I think, and Jock definitely passed away if it is him. I was only little when they were about, but I remember Jock would always wave, wink, and put a thumbs up, cheerful couple of chaps.'),
(14018, 'Funnily enough, I went past the other day and saw that work was about to begin, so thought I would grab a pic:\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nIt is going to be converted into flats:\r\n\r\n&quot;Demolition of building and erection of 9 no.\r\napartments with associated car parking/landscaping. \r\nThe Stables Market, 5 Bodhyfryd Road, Llandudno."\r\n\r\nSC'),
(3407, 'I used to love seeing what was in the red garages showroom, I have seen Formula One cars, championship rally cars, film cars, and even a Red Arrow plane at one time.'),
(3410, 'Cllr Brian Bertola\\''s wife, Eddie, used to work in Lazars and also a lady called Val worked there for many years, and who carried on working after it became a catalogue shop, but she is now retired.  She pushed her little dog around in a pushchair because he had arthritis, but he has now died, bless.  If I remember, there was also Olwen who came from Conwy, and weren\\''t the managers a couple, man and wife, who lived on Rhuddlan Avenue.  Their names escape me at the moment.'),
(3411, 'Sonia from Eastenders was in Marks the other day, I was told by a member of the Marks staff.  \r\n\r\nIn the old days when Penrhyn Old Hall was in its heyday, I refused a dance with keith Moon from the Who.  I thought him a right ugly buggar.  and I pretended to have a gammy leg!!!  The Who were actually there en route to a party somewhere in North Wales.  Friends and I were invited, but being young and naive, we were worried it would be in the middle of nowhere, that they would all be smoking wacky backy and we wouldn\\''t be able to escape if things got awkward.'),
(3413, 'Pumping Station for the Llandudno Flood Relief program.'),
(3414, '
--- Quote --- also a lady called Val worked there for many years, and who carried on working after it became a catalogue shop, but she is now retired.  She pushed her little dog around in a pushchair because he had arthritis, but he has now died, bless.  
--- End quote ---
\r\nVals\\'' little dog must have only have died recently if it is the same lady I have seen for years pushing the pushchair around Craig-y-Don.'),
(3415, '
--- Quote --- Pumping Station for the Llandudno Flood Relief program.
--- End quote ---
\r\nWas it fully operational, Adrian, on the 10 June 1993?  :? '),
(3416, '
--- Quote ---Sonia from Eastenders was in Marks the other day, I was told by a member of the Marks staff.  \r\n\r\nIn the old days when Penrhyn Old Hall was in its heyday, I refused a dance with keith Moon from the Who.  I thought him a right ugly buggar.  and I pretended to have a gammy leg!!!  The Who were actually there en route to a party somewhere in North Wales.  Friends and I were invited, but being young and naive, we were worried it would be in the middle of nowhere, that they would all be smoking wacky backy and we wouldn\\''t be able to escape if things got awkward.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nOMG Even I would have danced with Keith Moon.....lol'),
(3418, 'I was assistant steward there in the mid 80\\''s and took a couple of photos of the interior while I was there if that\\''s any good to her? They\\''re not that good really as I scanned from the negatives.');
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(8186, '\r\n\r\nOh, they love it no end! Oh, they love it to death!\r\n\r\nThe sea off the pier is a surly grey and the sleepless gulls swing crying against the towers of the Grand Hotel. The mountains, the sky, the promenade are grey and wet as Alex Munro stands outside the Pier Pavilion, calling people to ‘Startime’. “Seats available tonight - seats available. Lucky programme. Seats available inside.”\r\n\r\n“Seats available, lucky programme tonight. Ah – good evening ladies. Have you been to the show before? Well, come inside: there’s no reason why you shouldn’t suffer like all the rest.”\r\n\r\nAlex Munro wears a bow-tie, a white shirt-front and flowing white handkerchief; on the side of his head he wears a small trilby hat. He has little legs and dancing feet, and tips his hat when he speaks, or waltzes sidelong across the lighted stair, clapping his hands together.\r\n\r\nHe lifts his voice above the bumping of the Ghost Train next door.\r\n“Seats available inside. Good evening ladies. Good evening to you, Sir.” “Where were you from, now?”\r\n“Leicester.”\r\nHe claps his hands. “Leicester!”\r\nThe man, who carried a raincoat clutched his elbow and murmured confidentially, “Home of the RAF.”\r\n“Good evening ladies, Good evening, Madam, take your time now. Give us your hand. There’s no more steps after this. Seats available inside.”\r\n\r\nPushed among the strolling crowd comes a figure in a wheelchair, which stops in front of the Pavilion, beside the sea wall. He trips down towards it, through the strolling, different crowd. In the wheelchair sits a clergyman in a beret and slippers, so old he seems to weep as if terribly touched; and in this way, somehow, the clergyman contrives to smile.\r\n“We’re going down to see the boat come in.” his daughter said.\r\n“Good luck to you Reverend, anyway. It was grand when you came in and saw the show.”\r\n“He liked the chocolates you gave him, anyway.”\r\n“Thank you Sir Alex,” the white lips trembled.\r\n“Sir Alex? Why do you call me that Reverend?”\r\nThe lips moved again with the ghost of a joke.\r\n“It’s your title.”\r\n\r\nLlandudno and the summer season were created as one. The town sprang fully-terraced from the Great Orme rock, the pier followed quickly, in 1876, incorporating the Grand Hotel’s teutonic fancies. All flourished by ministering to the great age of lower-class gentility – this was the resort chosen by Denry Machin for the wooing of Ruth Earp as ‘more stylish than Rhyl or Blackpool, and not dearer’. It thronged, in it’s heyday, with arch and aspiring promenaders, for the diversion of whom large theatres and concert-halls were erected along the North Wales coast.\r\n\r\nThat season is prolonged, for the gentility of Llandudno is miraculously prolonged. Its lofty boarding-houses offer a fastidious welcome, debating between themselves whether it is more prestigious to display in the parlour-window a card which says ‘Vacancies’ or a card which says ‘No Vacancy’. By an ancient ordinance, the long promenade flowing to the pier is kept free of all importuning or trading; from everything save intelligence of high water and the thrice-daily performance of ‘Professor Codman’s Wooden Headed Follies’. At night, the proletarian glow of Colwyn Bay may shine to the east around the Little Orme. Here a simpler communion prevails, between people seated under civic trees, people seated in deck chairs high and low, and the auditorium of the sea, from which a stiff wind blows.\r\n\r\nIn cutaway coat and silver tie, he trips beside the wet headland along the slippery boards of the pier. The great white gulls descent upon the rail and remain there, arrogant yet abstracted, as he passes by.\r\n\r\nHe lifts his trilby. He bows.\r\n“Good morning ladies. Now have you been to see the show yet?”\r\n“Yes. Yes.”\r\n“And did you enjoy it?”\r\n“Yes. Very nice.”\r\n“Well, come again. I need the money.”\r\n“Oh well,” the ladies laughed, “we’ll give you three-halfpence.”\r\n\r\nAlex Munro presents his ‘Startime’ in the Pier Pavilion from May to October, each night of the week excepting Sunday. Each afternoon excepting Saturday he presents another show in Happy Valley, an open-air theatre on the slopes of the Great Orme. His face, its trilby aslant, is to be seen all over town; it shines from handbill and hoarding; it hangs by coloured string in chip shops and gift-shops; it decorates the rear panels of the showman’s own mini-bus strategically parked on the road above the Grand Hotel. It promises ‘George Cormack and Irene Sharp, Scotland’s International Singing Stars’, ‘Benny Garcia, Television’s Dynamic Entertainer, ‘Billy Crockett, the Mad Musician from London’s Albert Hall’. It vouchsafes ‘melodious melodies, glamorous girls, clean comedy’ but, above all, the abundant personality of the man who is both star and licensee.\r\n\r\n“I’m the last of what you call the old-time real showmen – there’s not many left like me. Do you want a piece of fudge? It’s just some fudge a lady handed up to me the other night; just a bit of fudge she’d made herself. She’s been in to the show two or three times. Because I present a family show. A real family show – no blue jokes; I don’t allow a ‘hell’ or a ‘damn’. And oh, they love it! Oh, they love it no end! Oh, they love it to death!”\r\n\r\n\r\nJohn Morava (third from right) and the Pier Orchestra. This is his last season in Llandudno after 38 years of morning and evening concerts.\r\n\r\nHe has his competitors, nonetheless. There is still a repertory company in Llandudno, at the Grand on Mostyn Broadway, presenting it’s sequence of thrillers and comedies and comedy thrillers in a theatre founded by Irving. Until this summer there was a pier-orchestra, led by the elegant John Morava. At the other end of the promenade there is the Arcadia, a music-hall built in expectation of a second pier that never came. The arcadia presents a variety show of the same type as Alex, on the same nights of the week throughout the same protracted season. This rival show is called, not ‘Startime’ but ‘Showtime’.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe reperatory company at John Creese-Parson\\''s Grand Theatre. They receive Equity minimum rates of pay and wear their own clothes onstage.\r\n\r\n‘Startime’ and ‘Showtime’ do not go in for big names. Their purpose, rather, is to appeal to people’s fondness, on holiday as everywhere, for regularity and routine. Each show advertises three changes of programme. Since the guest houses traditionally book from Saturday to Saturday – an arrangement suited to nobody but the guest houses – it is possible, during one week in Llandudno, to attend three different versions of ‘Startime’, or of ‘Showtime’. On Sundays, when the town is dry, there are orchestral concerts and occasional outbreaks of hymn-singing. Only Saturdays are curiously deserted and dull.\r\n\r\n“I’m not a young man, but I can still stand on my hands.” He stood on his hands there and then, and his keys and lighter fell out of his waistcoat. His hat remained, however, on the side of his head.\r\n\r\n“I used to be a professional acrobat. I was what they called top man.  My brother and me, we were the Horseborough Brothers; perch-acts they used to call ‘em. I’d be doing a handstand on top of the ladder on the other man’s shoulders. Oh it was a class act. We walked on in evening-dress with the orchestra playing ‘dee-dee o’clock in the morning’, and we played in front of Hitler in Germany. ‘Scottish Phlegmatics’ they called us there. Now, see, i’m really safe as top man. They’re not going to let me fall ‘cause if I damage mysel’, the whole act’s gone; but if I think they’re going to let me fall, I’m going to be cheery up there.\r\n\r\n“I’ve been married, you know, a few times. Ssh!” he guffawed, looking at his young wife Marie in the box-office. “Ssh!, she’s looking; she knows what we’re saying.” He clapped his hands. “Five!\r\n\r\n\r\nBryan Burdon, with showgirls from the Arcadia Theatre. His audience, he says, remain conservative, preferring knicker jokes to almost any other.\r\n\r\n\r\nCharles Aitkin of the Arcadia Theatre (left) with Bill Owen, journalist\r\n\r\n“I do everything myself, you know, here, right down to the sweeping. If I want a packet of nails I’ve got to buy it myself’ because the Council don’t do anything here you know.” (His rival, the Arcadia, is Council-owned.) “I was up a ladder round here the other day and someone calls to me ‘Alex, you shouldn’t be up there’. I think to myself, ‘that’s right, I shouldn’t, i’m an old man.’ Then I thought, ‘well why shouldn’t I? If you haven’t got the confidence in yourself, where are you?’ This is a 2500-seater you know. Before I came here with a show, it died the death. It used to be a picture-house.”\r\n\r\n\r\nRobinson Cleaver, Arcadia impresario, at the Pavilion Organ.\r\n\r\nHe looked into his theatre. A small light burned in the orchestra pit. The stall seats, in their semi-circular expanse, were quiet, and the balcony seats piled up to the reassurance of the topmost exits. Under the dress-circle hangs a yellow screen. Behind the screen are further seats: as many unseen as exhibited, the linked iron and plush ascending, step by step, to a forgotten back row rounded like a stern of a ship. There are seats even beyond this, hidden through a wall of curtain; in alcoves and posterns and select little boxes, in threes and fives and twos and eights and fours, there are ‘seats available’.\r\n\r\nThe partnership between Alex Munro and Billy Crockett the Mad Musician has continued intermittently for 20 years since they met on the same bill at the Empire, Oldham. Alex summoned Billy this summer from Durban, where he was appearing in an ice-show.\r\n\r\nThe Mad Musician in private is small and circular and gentle. His dressing-room at the Pier Pavilion is filled with the music-props from his act: a miniature saxophone, some tiny harmonicas which he plays on his finger-ends, his makeup in cigar-boxes, sleighbells of varying pitches, and the bagpipes used, at the conclusion of his performance, to bow up a balloon.\r\n\r\nHe carries his life all in one suitcase. “I buy everything as I go along. Then I never have to wake up and think ‘what am I going to wear today?’ because i’ve only got two suits to choose from.”\r\n\r\nBilly has no wife now. His daughter is married, and he wants to buy a piece of ground near Edinburgh for her to start a riding-school. “That’s the only trouble – you get so bored in these places where you happen to be. I’ve often read the paper my fish and chips are wrapped in,” Billy said, “or i’ll take the newspaper out of the drawers in the bedroom and read that.”\r\n\r\nAlex holds court in the Stage Door café next to the Pavilion, where the sugar comes in a metal pudding basin and the girl behind the tea urns has purple wounds on her eye and cheek, having been set on and beaten by girls from Liverpool.\r\n\r\nBilly is there, and Eddie Read the banjo-man and Benny Garcia, ‘Television’s Dynamic Entertainer’. Benny wears a blazer and plastic raincoat, and somewhat morosely, scans the Radio Times and TV Times for news from the front line of his profession. “I’d love to sleep late,” he said, “but I have to be up for nine where i’m staying or I miss breakfast.”\r\n\r\n“They’re all getting good money,” Alex said as if these members of his company were not present. “Billy Crockett: class act, you know,” he murmured. “And it’s 22 weeks’ work” He guffawed. “Long as they can go without eating.”\r\n“He pays you in electricity,” Billy Crockett said “The wages give you a shock.”\r\nEddie Read noted this down in the book where he notes down jokes that he hears.\r\n“No, I pay them what they want,” Alex said. “I don’t try beat any of them down. Benny did I try beat you down?”\r\n“Only a fiver,” Benny said; then he relented: “No.”\r\n\r\n“And I won’t allow any blue jokes,” Alex said. “I won’t allow a ‘hell’ or ‘damn’. I can be in real trouble, mind you, when people come up on stage out of the audience, I tell them ‘No blue jokes now, this is a family show’’, then they go up to mike and they start, ‘I was sitting in the lavatory the other day…’ Oh my God!” He covered his eyes at the thought of these scatological time-bombs.\r\n\r\n“And I do a thing with three men out of the audience and a gag with a basin, bowl and jug – I can be in real trouble there as well. Some of them make the most horrible overtures, you know, with that jug.”\r\n\r\nA woman sitting at the next table turned to him and said “You must have been up in Happy Valley for about 15 years now, haven’t you? Before they used to have The Great Waldini up there.”\r\n“That’s right. His name was Walley Bishop, the Great Waldini. I was following a legend. For the first three years I came they said to me ‘Scotchman go home’.”\r\n“It must be 15 years,” the woman said, “because our Christine had a prize off him – she was eight then, she’s 23 now – she sand and our Philip played a musical instrument and they both got a prize.”\r\n“Have you seen the show yet?”\r\n“Yes – thoroughly enjoyed it. I cried for you last year,” the woman said, “when we heard about your Janet. You’d told us she was going to be in a film and we looked out for it. I cried for you when I heard. Tragedy, wasn’t it?”\r\n“Yes,” Alex said.\r\n\r\nWhen Sal Thomas announced her intention of leaving The Alexandra, the pub where she was barmaid, in order to start a café, her employer refused to give her, her cards, so certain was the employer she would soon be back. In Llandudno, as along all the edges of the sea, people are always trying to start cafes. The failures stand numerous in every coastal town, as lonely and dank as mines after the gold-rush, though crowded still with customers who are the last to be informed of the disaster.\r\n\r\n\r\nSal Thomas outside her cafe in Craig-y-Don. At one time she offered theatrical digs at £3 per week, and is still the succour of the Grand Company\r\n\r\nSal Thomas started with the Floral Café, at the far end of the promenade in Craig-y-Don. Nowadays the Floral does scampi with its chips and has a little wooden bar with coloured bulbs in which, to serve the eccentric whim of Sal’s customers, can be obtained wine and Merrydown and mead and sometimes tequila.\r\n\r\nA couple of streets away is the Grand Theatre. They say the Grand was built by Irving; and certainly Irving would be upset now to see the coldness of its galleries and vestibules, the incipient disintegration of its ravishing oval ceiling. Though the Grand backs right against the prosperous Arcadia, somehow, from the town, and its elegant verandahs look out on a piece of waste ground where sailing dinghies lie.\r\n\r\nEach night after the play, in which they have to wear their own clothes, the Grand company go along to Sal’s. From Sal they receive the large gins which restore spirit and the baskets of chips which strengthen the resolve. Later, Sal puts the bolts on the café door and looks at photographs of other repertory actors she has boarded, with her two big, curly dogs, newly bathed, under her legs.\r\n\r\n“That was Cathy Greenwood. She used to stand in her slip and wash panties in the kitchen while my mother was sat there, buttering bread. That was a boy called Michael Taylor. He used to go into the bathroom every morning, open the little window and shout ‘up periscope!’ ‘Divine morning’, he used to say, ‘what have you got for breakfast Sal darling?’ And nobody could make his bed as well as he could, as if it hadn’t been slept in for a week, and his pyjamas all folded beautifully along the crease.\r\n\r\n“I always had the ambition to travel,” Sal said. “I couldn’t do, but I sometimes think that all the interesting people I dreamed of meeting have come here to see me.”\r\nHer husband returned from his nightly bingo game and hung up his coat in the passage. Sal courteously inquired if he had won. He replied that he had.\r\n\r\nThe North Wales summer varies to the point of playfulness. It can be raining along the shore yet clear at the top of the Orme; while it keeps fine on the promenade, a deluge may fall upon the deck-chairs of the Happy Valley. It is not uncommon for Alex to move his show down to the Pier Pavilion, and then up into the open-air again, in the course of a single matinee. But this afternoon it seems as if it ought to keep fine. The sky is like a blue quilt with old grey clothes thrown over it. Slowly, in the little turf amphitheatre, the pink-and-white deck chairs are covered by people with raincoats covering their knees. The cable-cars pass quietly overhead to the top of the Orme. On the hill outside the wire perimeter, a second, non-paying crowd has also gathered.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe Happy Valley Talent Contest\r\n\r\nAlex has a special and private love for Happy Valley, In 15 years he has lavished time and attention on it, increasing the lawn around the stone terraces, whitening the stones along the flowerbed, planting the purple flowers with the name which is uncertain. From the stage painted like the deck of a ship he can see the place where the plants grow irregularly despite their daily watering; he can see the slim, new plants which the water has encouraged. He feels that, perhaps the spirit of The Great Waldini has been exorcised. When he is dead, people will say ‘Alex Munro did that’, looking at the grass, the whitened stones, the purple flowers, the name of which he cannot recall.\r\n\r\nAn audience in the open is always unresponsive; how much more the audience established in deck-chairs? Desiring entertainment, they at once renounce it, for a deck-chair atrophies desire. His purpose is to show them that the entertainment lies in themselves and is the prize of anyone who will speak out. He proposes that, when he says ‘Hello Visitors’, they shall answer ‘Hello Alex’. He says ‘Hello Visitors’, then covers his face with his hands at the paucity of their response. He prevails on them to sing songs commemorating their town, the county or district of their origin. A cable-car passes overhead. A little rain rattles on the trees.\r\n\r\n\r\nTalent contest: this boy did a Tarzan yell!\r\n\r\nHe places a box against the microphone for the use of competitors in the Junior Talent Contest who now stand, in irregular sizes, behind him. While the Junior Talent Contest is in progress, he jumps from the stage to ascertain that all is well with his wife Marie in the box-office. He dispatches two teenage assistants with collecting-boxes to ‘bottle’: to extract donations from the unofficial audience on the hill. Returning to the stage, he pretends, on a drum roll to fall on his nose. He picks himself up to direct some late arrivals into the mass of deck-chairs that are not yet occupied.\r\n\r\n\r\nTalent contest: girl from Chorley, Lancs. Sang Burlington Bertie\r\n\r\nThe Junior Talent Contest is still, somewhat inexorably, proceeding. A boy steps up on the box and delivers into the microphone a Tarzan yell of surprising brevity and force. Now there is a girl who does acrobatics. There is always a girl who does acrobatics. The professional acrobat is stirred. He snatches off his dinner-coat. He lies, in shirtsleeves and trilby, on the stage; she does a handstand on his arms.\r\n\r\n“It’s wonderful to see Alex on the stage again,” said Mr Owen of the Advertiser. “We thought he was a goner last year, you know, after Janet died. He was unconscious for two days.”\r\n\r\nHe and Marie live in rather a large house in a rather select part of Llandudno. Billy Crockett has a flatlet in the next street. “Billy came round Sunday night,” Marie said. “He brought his own television with him so that he wouldn’t interfere with our programme. He said he didn’t want to be any trouble to us, so he brought his own tea-bag with him.”\r\n\r\nIn the lounge hangs a portrait of a girl with a strangely familiar face. Anna-Marie, their daughter, smiled and looked at her shoes. “That’s Janet,” she murmured.\r\n\r\nWhen the evening show in the Pavilion is over, the lights go on and the performers come down from the stage. The drum-kit can be looked at, and the music-sheets on the 1931 Hammond organ. The artists and audience stand in groups along the stage as if they are discussing some topic of quiet mutual interest.\r\n\r\nAlex stands in the foyer, at the bottom of the stairs, whither his last exit from the stage has taken him. Just as he greeted them when they came in, he says goodbye to them as they go out. They walk, arm-in-arm towards the darkened promenade. A thrill of silver light has been caught in a spectacle-frame. And a man has taken his wife’s fingers and stroked them with his own.\r\n\r\nHe shakes the last hand and scribbles the last autograph. He draws the heavy wooden door across the front of the Pier Pavilion and bolts it. “This is my last job tonight.” He goes into the empty auditorium. Behind the screen there are more seats and behind those, still more seats. He checks between the rows for the cigarette spark which could destroy all 2500 seats. “This is my last job tonight.”\r\n\r\nIn the dressing-room, with the Chelsea pensioner coat on the wall and the sea air coming in through the extractor, he splashes his face at the sink and dries it. He exchanges his evening trousers for another pair of evening trousers and his shiny patent shoes for some shoes which do not shine. He puts his trilby back on his head, fitting it perkily at the side.\r\n\r\n\r\nAlex\\''s Daughter, the Walt Disney film star Janet Munro\r\n\r\nHis daughter was the film star Janet Munro. She started her career in Alex’s shows, sweeping up, singing and tearing tickets. She went to Hollywood and became a star for Walt Disney. She grew famous and fashionably-married; it was of her fame and fashionable marriage that, two years ago, she died. Her loss explains many small things in him. It explains his abhorrent of sleeping-pills; his refusal of all drink but apple-juice; the photo-albums at which, even now, he can scarcely bring himself to look. Five weeks before she died, she had come back to Llandudno and was sweeping up after the show.\r\n\r\nOutside, the pier is all in lights, in braids and strings and archways of light trembling on the rainy sea. The lights along the promenade are out. He picks up some glasses and bottles left on the sea wall and carries them back to the Pavilion steps. “This is my last job tonight”\r\n\r\n“I’ve never believed in all that Bible stuff- ‘it’s more blessed to give than receive’, i’ve always thought that was a fallacy. But i’ve come to find out lately that it’s true. It is more blessed to give than receive.”\r\n\r\n“Don’t you think it’s a shame that, when i’m gone there’ll be no one left doing my type of show? A simple man with a simple show. And oh, they love it. Oh, they love it no end. Oh, they love it to death.”\r\n\r\n“Seats available - seats available inside.” “Seats available now. Lucky Programme.”\r\n\r\nAlex and Billy under the next dark evening sky are calling the people to ‘Showtime’.\r\n\r\n“Seats available. Good evening ladies. Have you been to the show yet? Well come inside: there’s no reason why you shouldn’t suffer like all the rest.”\r\n“Seats available. Give me your hand, dear. Take your time now.”\r\n“I’ve thought I was going to be late,” the lady said.\r\n“No, you’re alright. Plenty of time yet,” Billy said.\r\n“And anyway, you knew we wouldn’t start without you.”\r\n\r\nTHE SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE\r\nSeptember 22nd, 1974.\r\n\r\n\r\nOTHER REFERENCES:\r\n\r\nVIDEO \\''AN INTERVIEW WITH ALEX MUNRO\\''\r\nLINK: http://www.olle.co.uk/alexmunro.htm\r\n- - - - - - - - - -\r\nARTICLE \\''STAN RYDER: HIS MUSICAL CAREER AND MEMOIRS\\''\r\nLINK: http://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=392&amp;sid=f342cde9a3f07c855bea7ae5efaeeeba\r\n- - - - - - - - - -\r\nARTICLE: \\''LLANDUDNO PAVILION THEATRE\\''\r\nLINK: http://www.olle.co.uk/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=14&amp;sid=f342cde9a3f07c855bea7ae5efaeeeba\r\n- - - - - - - - - -\r\nWEB LINK: JANET MUNRO:\r\nLINK: http://www.janetmunro.com'),
(3420, 'Whereabouts was Red Garages? I remember the name but not where they were. My dad always used Jubilee Garage.'),
(3422, '
--- Quote ---Whereabouts was Red Garages? I remember the name but not where they were. My dad always used Jubilee Garage.
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\r\n\r\nWhere Kwik-Fit  is now, the showroom for the cars was on the main corner of the street where finneys is now.'),
(3423, '
--- Quote ---Pumping Station for the Llandudno Flood Relief program.
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\r\n\r\nI have had a closer look a while ago, there is quite a pong coming from there, sewerage perhaps?\r\n\r\nCraig.'),
(3424, 'Oh yes! Of course! I do remember now. Thanks. :D'),
(3425, 'Lifes a trip.\r\nit was Mr &amp; Mrs Robinson,&amp; you know what !  at this very moment their christian names have gone out my head &amp; i worked there for 25 yrs, counting my time in the catalogue shop also.\r\n\r\nI must take more water with this drink !!'),
(3426, 'Anyone remember the kiosk next to red garages cant recall the name but it seemed to sell everything  the shop was so small you could just about turn around.'),
(3427, '
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---Pumping Station for the Llandudno Flood Relief program.
--- End quote ---
\r\n\r\nI have had a closer look a while ago, there is quite a pong coming from there, sewerage perhaps?\r\n\r\nCraig.
--- End quote ---
\r\nThat may be from the camels belonging to the west shore arabs.'),
(3428, 'I gather you mean the one at Dale Road Car Park site?\r\n\r\nIf I remember correctly, the building was built much higher than anyone expected and there was a huge fuss about it with some people calling for it to be knocked down and re-built as the plan stated, but of course nothing happened about it.\r\n\r\nWe were led to believe by all the powers that be that all planning regs had been adhered to, but looking at the plan and comparing it with what\\''s there now, to many people it\\''s obviously wrong. It was never supposed to stand out like a sore thumb like it does.\r\n\r\nI have no idea as to any connection with the 1993 floods, all I do know is what was said at the time of the floods, which was that when our sewage/water pipes back up, there are like sluce gates that can be opened on the West Shore, and when they are, everything coming out of the pipes ends up on the beach, which is better than the system backing up and toilets exploding, which is what happened on June 10th 1993.\r\n\r\nAlegedly the Fire Service were called to the West Shore to open the gates to stop the system backing up, but they were stuck regid and couldn\\''t be opened, hence the back up and the town flooding. There was no where else for the water to go but up.\r\n\r\nIf that was what happened, then a certain water company could\\''ve been liable for the cost of the floods which ran into multi-millions.I think after the event they spent some £10m putting in a new system. That may tell us something!!!!\r\n\r\nIt would be interesting if anyone could prove that those gates on the West Shore hadn\\''t been serviced regularly thus making them impossible to open.\r\n\r\nMaybe too much water has passed through the pipes to prove anything now, in whatever way.'),
(3429, 'I got elected onto Llandudno Town Council as a Conservative Councillor back in the late 1980s, and applied to become a member of the Con Club. \r\n\r\nTom Hannon was the Chairman then, the President was D.C.Dunn esq, and M Roberts was the Hon. Secretary.\r\n\r\nI attended the club and was interviewed for possible membership. Now take into account words by Wyn Roberts the M.P. for Conwy (Conservative) were on my election leaflet, and you will, I\\''m sure, like me, be amazed that on June 8th 1988 I received a letter from the Hon. Secretary informng me that my application &quot;was not successful&quot; and that I couldn\\''t re-apply for another &quot;12 months&quot;.\r\n\r\nI\\''m still undecided if that decision reflected on me, or the club. Suffice to say I never bothered to re-apply. More than that, when I stood for the Borough council I stood as an Independent Candidate and topped the poll.\r\n\r\nIf I decide to stand for the County next year I will again stand as an Independent Candidate. People before party politics I say. Funny what you learn in life.'),
(3430, 'Wasn\\''t it the son of the Lazar family that, whilst having a coffee or something in the Venitian Cafe in Mostyn Street, decided that he could put a record on the jukebox, then dash out of the cafe, jump in his car (a Mini I think??) and drive around the Great Orme and be back in the cafe before the record finished, but ended up crashing very badly on the Marine Drive?\r\n\r\nOr was that just a story?'),

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